Imagine it's a foot or two behind the ball. He's asking for an inside takeaway... as far inside as i can go.

It's protecting the window behind it

That was my experience as well. When I got a broomstick putter I stopped doing it while getting used to the new feel, and distance control suffered

Dunno. With this swing, I could carry a 7 iron about 120 on a bad day, 130 on a good day, and 140 on a great day. I'm not any stronger or younger now, but currently, I can carry a 7 iron 145 on a bad day, 155 on a good day, and 165 on a great day. Am I using my right arm any more now than I was before? Doesn't feel like it, but I really have no clue.

​@@golf7762 I meant to use a 7 iron to hit a ball 150 yards by only holding on with the left hand, a one arm swing.

I think some of the early full-swing videos have some discussion of this - specifically, some lead leg straightening or jumping through impact. I was told that's fine. I think some of the later full-swing videos have some more critical takes on leg flex changing on the backswing. I think you'll be instructed to keep maximum pressure on your lead side throughout the swing. I think you're unlikely to get a full response to your question via the curriculum.

You can watch some of the other videos to see if you can see the through-line. I'll just summarize what I understood through this instruction. Not claiming it's right. The exact alignment of your feet, or your hips, our your shoulders is not something to concern yourself with. Get as closed as you like, and as a beginner, err on the side of more closed, and see if you can stay there through impact.

If that is true then are you saying that the direction of your ball flight is not dependent on how. you address the ball with your stance?

@@williamreichert4798 Direction of ball flight is dependent on club face and club path. You'll find plenty of drills where coaches have you drop your trail leg way back, or stand with your back to the target, and still hit it in the intended direction. But sure, the combination of your grip and orientation to the ball will make certain things easier, and certain things harder, in terms of delivery. For me? This swing method resulted in ~10-13 degree in to out swing path, with a club face that was roughly neutral. Smother hooks all day long, with fleeting flashes of brilliance. For you? I dunno! Maybe it'll work great. But as you'll see from the videos, any such questions will often be interpreted in the worst possible light.

One shank of the sidebar that nearly took me out, but the TV is doing great!

Yeah, but my choices in fashion are drastically different. Can you really say it's the same?

For one's own sanity, it's important to participate in a sport where you can play with yourself.

I don't want to bury the lede with all of these lesson videos but lets start with the raw numbers, from Arcos tracking. Pre-JVGA->Post-JVGA handicap numbers: Driving: 10~12 (but streaky)->~40 Woods/hybrids: 16~18 (also streaky)->~36 Irons: ~40->~18 Short game: ~18->~10 I'll do a lengthy review video at some point here, but here's my hot take: If this setup and swing is working for you, the instruction you get via the academy isn't going to be much different from what you see here. I'm basing this on others who have gone through the academy as well. If you watch these videos and think "man, this would really help me"... try out the monthly plan. If you watch these videos and think "man, I get all of that, but I'd really like personalized help with this problem or that problem"... I wouldn't bother. I tried the self-teaching route via his youtube videos and had some initial success. I was very much drinking the kool-aid, and signed up for the year plan with zoom lessons. I played the most disheartening golf of my short golf life. Then I had to take another 6 months to de-program. Others claim great success. I'm sure you've seen his videos where he says he can make you a 6 handicap in 6 weeks if you follow the program. I wouldn't blame anyone for taking him up on the offer, but if you're 6 weeks in and you haven't moved past short irons and aren't playing the best golf of your life, quit and move on. The current instructor I'm with has completely changed my game for the better in a 6 week stretch, whereas JVGA did not. But what works for me won't necessarily work for you, if you know what I'm saying!

@@golf7762 Thank you for the detailed response. There are a million ways to Rome in golf for sure. So are you not doing the JVGA anymore?

@@Wrkn4it No, not enrolled any more, nor am I using the swing methodology when I play. This is going to sound passive-aggressive, or maybe just plain aggressive, but I honestly don't mean it in a mean-spirited way. I think: 1. The swing methodology is sound 2. The instruction you'll get is either going to click right away and you'll see nice gains, or you'll just get stuck in an infinite loop because the curriculum and instructor is so rigid. For my next instructor, I went for the polar opposite - someone who focuses all of their energy on how to swing a club, rather than someone who asks you to disregard it completely. And someone who encourages you to reverse engineer things, rather than someone who will discourage you from doing so: overhandgolf.com/ In 6 weeks, I got much, much better.

Sure. First of all, course website is here: booking.pacificgolf.co.jp/guide/141.html You can get a train route from google maps (which I did, and which took me to Kazusa Yamada station, and I took a Taxi from there). For safety, though, I would go to Goi station (on JR lines), and take a taxi from there instead. Kazusa Yamada is a tiny country station in the middle of nowhere, and the taxi driver there informed me on the way that she was minutes away from heading home, and there weren't any more taxis for the rest of the night. Would've been a 40 minute walk in 95 degree heat otherwise... Goi station will have taxis any time. Taxi fare was 1400 yen from Kazusa Yamada, and 4000 yen to Goi station (with pickup fee) back from the course. The people who checked me in for my round were able to reserve my taxi back, and tracked the progress of my round so they could adjust the reservation time appropriately. There are other Moonlake courses, but this is probably the closest to the Tokyo/Chiba area. I made the reservation on the website. There are a ton of options each day, but if you look for a round with ナイター in the name, you'll get times available in the afternoon/evening. You do need to make the booking for 2+ people - the only single rounds I could reserve were in the morning. You will need to sign up for an account to complete the reservation - it's no more difficult than signing up for any online retailer in Japan (phone/address in Japan/email). When I arrived, I did have to fill out a form for me and the kids (again, same info required when signing up online). They do have a phone app you can download - had I done this in advance, it probably wouldn't have been necessary. I spoke Japanese with the staff, but I've read reviews from people who don't speak Japanese who were able to check in and get help just fine. I guess I'd just say this - it was a very professional/friendly feeling front desk. Same for the starter - they helped load up myself and the kids in the cart (and later the taxi), they showed me where to start, and they pro-actively checked in with my after looping back on the 10th hole. After the round, they helped me adjust my taxi reservation and showed us to the bath. I was very nervous about the whole thing, despite being able to speak Japanese and having traveled solo to a number of whisky distilleries around the country, but like most things in Japan, everything felt very accommodating.

As for playing, I really enjoyed the course. Condition of the fairways/rough was great. Not sure what kind of grass it was. Felt kind of wirey/bristly. Wasn't like anything I'd played in the states. Greens were nice, but I felt like there were a lot of ball marks that weren't being fixed. There's really good separation between holes, and a lot of elevation changes. Lots of really cool views. If you've ever traveled around rural mountainous areas in Japan, that was kind of the vibe. I had no idea where I was going, but even at night, the signage kept us from getting lost. When I asked them to make my initial taxi reservation back home, they told me to expect a 6 (!!!) hour round because it was a bit busy. We didn't run into a single group ahead of us until the 16th hole. There was one group behind us. We took our time, had a putting competition on each hole, and went on a few ball-hunts in the long grass to make sure that at least half of the round was in the dark. We still finished in 4 hours.

Very cool. There's a brief twilight period where it`s hard to see despite the lights being on, but it only lasted a hole.

After a full summer of low hooks, it's nice to see things go high!

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To the best of my ability, on that day...

Was just trying it to troll a friend... but yeah, the results were pretty great. I spend a lot more time looking at my line and imagining how the ball will roll now pre-putt, but I look down at the ball before swinging just so I don't duff it.

@@golf7762 Since watching you putt this way I gave it a try and to my surprise I have never putted better. My speed is so much better and I'm making very long and also short putts that I would have missed before. I feel I can make every putt I face with this style. Never had this kind of confidence before! Thanks for the video on this!

@@keplerts That's awesome. There's some interesting research on it, but I think the crux of it is it gets you a lot more focused in on your target, line, and effort-level, and a lot less focused on your stroke/strike.

@golf7762 I agree, I am totally focused on the hole and don't concern myself with the stroke. I haven't missed the ball yet! I haven't read anything about it. I'm afraid if I do I will get too absorbed with what others think about how it should be done and ruin my uncluttered mind with all the micro details. Now I just pick my line, focus on the hole and hit the ball with my putter. Pretty simple.

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If I've learned nothing else, it's that it's really easy to look at a setup, copy it, assume you're doing the same thing, and then find out there's 10 important subtle points you're screwing up.

I think you'd have the same pros and cons, as compared to a traditional swing. I've heard Jim state on a webinar that he would prefer to have the different sized tools, but the swing would work with single length irons if that's what you have/prefer. Would be fun to try sometime though

Indeed. @@golf7762

Would you suggest getting lessons?

@@golf7762 the main problem people have been trying to replicate his swing is they don't understand the information. Mo talk a lot of nonsense about what he felt and what he was actually doing

@@golf7762 I honestly think Todd Graves KZbin channel is the most informative channel on his swing IMO. He gives you biomechanical information and helps you decipher what Moe was saying

​​@@golf7762but if you understand how his swing works it is really easy to do. I hit 8 iron 150-155 and all irons with a tight draw using his swing and driver carries 240 with a tight power fade.

It's worth doing if you're willing to put in the time (i.e. sending videos, practicing specifically what you are asked to practice). What I've gained so far is: - Much better wedge game & chipping/pitching game. - Much better contact day to day (really cut out a lot of fat shots) - Consistently manageable misses What I've had to put a lot of time into is: - Learning how to relax my limbs to get a back-swing that leads to a reasonable ball flight

@@golf7762 Thanks.

It's all part of the fun!

Not sure how one would hit the ball in that condition, but cheers!

Minnesota. Doing twilight rounds during the week to practice. 2 balls, scored separately, for a total of 18 holes. Can usually get done in under 1:30~45.

@@golf7762 Seems like a nice little course. The greens look challenging to hit, a lot of drop off to the sides. How much are the green fees? Also, thanks for replying.

@@johnhunter3181 15 bucks. It's very short, but it's also very narrow - missing a fairway usually means water, unplayable woods, or someone's back yard. Probably similar to playing the reds on most 18 hole courses, with a much higher risk of OB. I'm not sure if they raised most of the greens for defense, or just to keep them above water!

It's coming along! I'd say the biggest difference I'm noticing is this: When I'm 'off', I can still get myself to hit, at worse, 'useful misses' (usually low trajectory hooks) by just loading weight on the lead side and concentrating on staying still. Wedges and pitches and chipping always seem to work, so as long as I can brute-force it somewhere close, I can survive.

@@golf7762 that’s awesome! Can’t wait for the next update with Jim and on course 👍👍 i like your putter how low you have the grip might have to try that!

@@ljiujitsul prdionne.com/ I'm sure there are a lot of other broomstick/face-on putters that could be used in a similar fashion.

More to come! I'd highly recommend the online program if you're on the fence.

Never seen the movie, so this is a happy coincidence.

I didn't wear a red shirt for fear of having to sign autographs.

You weren't impressed with my ball striking??? Seriously though, I've been practicing wedges/chipping/putting all spring. The "gains" haven't showed up on-course until the past couple of weeks. Hopefully it sticks!

The trick is laying up to the ideal rough locations on approach shots to par 3s. I give lessons. Just let me know!

Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it. I'm uploading more of the videos from this winter's work right now. I signed up for the academy, and have been doing zoom lessons as well this spring/summer. I'm happy with where it's heading. For someone who started golf late in life, and is not a natural athlete, it's still a lot of work and commitment and trust required... but I'm pretty sure this is going to get me to my goals for this year.

Starting to see very positive results as well, after a winter of training in a net.

These video reviews come with links to companion coaching videos that give drills. The companion videos are behind a paywall though. I'm *not* a qualified coach, and I do *not* recommend you take advice from me. Conceptually, though, what has helped me are the following: -Start with weight on the lead side, leave it there (ie. don't shift) -Try not to rotate through impact. The momentum of the club, and the stable lead side will 'cause' rotation to happen - it may be the case that you don't have to add anything to that. And again, don't listen to me!

I started with Jim at the very end of fall, and have just had a few rounds outdoors this spring (more videos to come), but my current assessment is: I did quite well off the tee with Moe, but had a very inconsistent strike with irons and wedges. I was unable to fix the "over swing", and while I thought it would be nice to checkpoint against positions & a model, it was difficult for me to transition that to ball striking. I had some immediate success with Jim after just watching some KZbin videos and doing my interpretation. For someone starting golf, I think the principles of of keeping weight in one place and trying to stay still lend itself to that. After starting instruction, I got very good with wedges, irons, and partial shots compared to my old swing. I went through a very dark period with hybrids/woods/driver (the most consistent smother hook you've ever seen, sadly totally unplayable), but stuck with it and am hitting nice draws as a stock shot now. I've been able to tame the "over swing". I'm still hitting it a bit shorter with driver/woods, but I've put almost 0 work into those clubs this winter, so I'm confident the distance will improve. TLDR - I feel I can hit the same shot over and over with Jim's swing. I'm still trying to optimize ball flight with longer clubs.

You'll see me work through this on future videos with the JVGA swing, so you may find it useful to hear his perspective as well. This has been a very challenging problem to change.

The title did say “awkwardly”! Lack of tension took a long time to get comfortable with. You want so bad to hit the ball, that you think if you line up everything at the absolute limit you will at least hit it…