His attitude was to lead away from debt slavery, in order to weaken it by the numbers, not compound numbers. Instead find par with the Russian bear. Nature survives.
@geofftoase38553 күн бұрын
Liked this presentation, but at the end there was NO answer to the question of WHY there were tens of thousands of empty high-rise flats! - too hard to answer?
@gew20273 күн бұрын
Emblem of the Americas 1798 Oklahoma need to tell the truth about the real American Indians. Asian Slaves in Colonial Mexico from Chinos to Natives the Trans Pacific Slave trade.
@Weaver2717 күн бұрын
Is this just a part 1 or did you stop the session after this? I think Steve's work is phenomenal and exactly the antidote to the dogma-based economics that is practiced by our mainstream economics "experts". Steve's work boils down to double entry bookkeeping rules while conventional economics always ends somewhere where "it is the way it is because I say so". While the bookkeeping approach might seem intimidating at least it is factual. If you want an explanation for the Regular Joe you might want to invite L. Randall Wray who wrote the excellent little book "Money for beginners: An Illustrated Guide"
@titusjames491213 күн бұрын
Isn't this project a planned city where all the land has already been bought?
@nathangreene136614 күн бұрын
Great talk. Would love to read his essay
@musicicouldntfindanywhere21 күн бұрын
Silvio Gesell is a recommended read here.
@iantroesoyer186424 күн бұрын
@19:00 this summary argument is excellent and should be presented to every traditional liberal, libertarian, anarchist, and all others who believe in self ownership.
@esioanniannaho593925 күн бұрын
Brilliant Have the Book and know his background. A Brilliant Human being. His wife was Irish a survivor of the famine when Surplus Food was exported abroad under the protection of the Anglo Saxon Empire. Plus ca change etc ..... Plz read his text before committing. A Lesson for History !
@Majoofi25 күн бұрын
AI is a pernicious evil.
@musicicouldntfindanywhere26 күн бұрын
Ibrahima, please just stop with the AI content. The text is cool, but the visuals are meme-material in the worst sense.
@richarddimare748629 күн бұрын
The term "LVT" should be abandoned, and it was never used by George anyway. Instead, in modern day language, what he really advocated is a "LSVT" (land surplus value tax), which is a tax on unearned land incomes after the 16th Amendment.
@richarddimare748629 күн бұрын
One of the more important courses given by the school. Maybe Paul will help Georgists understand the need for integrating George's national campaign (1888-1895), which led to the need for the 16th Amendment. At time mark 17:00 Paul comes close with the term "surplus value," which is what George meant by "land value," i.e. "land surplus value" (which became "unearned land incomes" after the 16th Amendment)
@hnhl277029 күн бұрын
George (or rather, georgists) made a MAJOR mistake by misnaming as "tax" what is simply a price determined by the market, which is how I have always interpreted his system: a system of open, transparent and fair public bids for concessions on natural resources. That's the exact opposite of a tax, in fact.
@avidmisreader26 күн бұрын
It could be the fairest of bids but suffers from intrinsic flaws of capitalism. Can’t expect payment from emergent monopolies sufficiently to counter profit motive with falling rates let alone approach benefits of socializing (means of) production and access to public resources. Complete mirage by people projecting that capitalism hasn’t and communism has been implemented. It’s the other way around and then some.
@jtthoma5Ай бұрын
America is a third world country so that about 2-3 million people can be richer than they need. They gotta go, by hook or by crook
@DaveHarmon-zm8tnАй бұрын
Josh, thank you so much for this series. I am a layman that has struggled with the Capitalism vs Socialism dilemma for quite a while. Silvio Gesell’s ideas seem to hold the best answer to the many issues humanity currently faces. Unfortunately I agree with your guest, that we are headed for a hard crash. However, if Gessell’s ideas are put into practice on small scales, many places simultaneously, we will be in a better position to recover from the breakdown of the current, failed capitalist system.
@prashanthkamath7437Ай бұрын
Would you clear my small doubt? Broad money in the economy as a share of monetarily measured nominal annual GDP was about 0.5 times in 1960. It has seen a secular and steady increase over the years. It is more than 1.42 times the monetarily measured nominal annual GDP today. Let me translate it for non-economists. My blood pressure was 115/70 when I was born in 1960. My blood pressure has steadily increased over the years and it reads 325/200 now. What would that mean? Anyone interested in economics can answer this question. Kindly do not come back with a "the economy has grown" answer, that would be stupid, and I am being nice here! We are talking in relatives not absolutes here. Just like a higher BP would have altered my body's structure and makeup and turned it into a powder keg, waiting to blow -up. Why have I yet to receive an answer to this question? What are the central banks doing? What is the economic academia doing? Unfortunately, our mainstream macroeconomics is as much of a Voodoo as Modern Monetary Theory.
@LovegroveGeorgeАй бұрын
I have binge watched these sessions and have no regrets
@dicktracy3787Ай бұрын
"Socialism is always and everywhere a violent, murderous and impoverishing phenomenon" Milei By Socialism I mean all forms of collectivism whatever the name, social democrats, communists, progressives, liberals, nazis, theocrats, etc. “the only way out of poverty is with more freedom”- President Javier Milei
@johnnywilliams8748Ай бұрын
Ooph, i walked away from this discussion feeling really frustrated. I so wish Varoufakis and Mazonne would have more clearly explained their critique of Piketty’s work. I feel like they began from a shared cricitism of Piketty without bringing the rest of us along. Can anywhere here please recommend further critiques of Piketty’s Capital from the left?
@JerryAlataloАй бұрын
Americans would enthusiastically jump toward/embrace the Georgist economic model if they knew it would end income taxes altogether once implemented nationally across the entire United States.
@richarddimare7486Ай бұрын
If Georgists finally do embrace the concept of taxing unearned land incomes, then that necessarily excludes the idea that we owe a tax for simply taking up space on land. We only owe a tax when unearned land incomes are realized, and cannot dispossessed of our land until such unearned incomes are realized. Regarding land held idle, we can use estimated income taxes and tax liens to assure the unearned land income will be captured, but no more of this absurd idea of taxing people for taking up space on earth.
@robbedemeyАй бұрын
The whole point is to grant people access to space on earth. If you dont tax land at its highest use, you let the current owner displace other people (who often even dont own land). It is better to tax taking up space, than not granting people space to live on in the first place.
@richarddimare7486Ай бұрын
@@robbedemey seems contrary to giving people "access to space" if we tax them for ordinary living or working on land. Just tax them when they get access to unearned land incomes, or when they pass, or transfer title, or hire people to work the land, or rent land out, etc.
@robbedemeyАй бұрын
@@richarddimare7486 We tax them "for working (on land)" right now. Georgists want to change that. We only tax them for the (unfair) advantage they have over others for using prime land. Prime land that gets its value from the hard work of the surrounding community, btw. All land income is unearned. It doesn't matter if you bought the rights to this unearned income from someone else. In the end, almost all land is stolen from other people, or it is illegitimately claimed. And just to be clear, I dont have any problem with homesteading until the point there is not enough / equally good land left (see Locke) for other people. But this is only the case in these areas where nobody wants to live (south pole). In there areas the LVT would be 0 either way.
@richarddimare7486Ай бұрын
At about time mark 18:20 the term "unearned income" is used. Georgists use this term often, but apparently without understanding exactly "income" is, and how it is taxed, and how a tax on income differs from a direct taxes on property ownership. Also, there's a common misunderstanding of George's use of the term "land value." He did not mean current market value, but land surplus value, i.e., the unearned surplus values (incomes) that proceed from land ownership.
@robbedemeyАй бұрын
The land market value is just the discounted value of the future land surplus value and a risk premium.
@richarddimare7486Ай бұрын
@@robbedemey yes, but the "future land surplus value" is what George called "rent potential," and that shouldn't be taxed until the landowner receives "rent actual" (which means "realized unearned income" after the 16th Amendment)
@robbedemeyАй бұрын
@@richarddimare7486 I think "rent potential" is still in the now, so it is different from market price (which is the sum of the discounted future rent potential). Are you quoting George or just giving your opinion when you say only "rent actual" should be taxed? If the landlord doesnt rent out the land, we can assume he collects the full rent privately and consumes it, otherwise there is a massive opportunity cost which no rational actor would take. If the landlord rents out the land under the market rent price, we can assume he does so because he gets some type of surplus from renting out to a special tenant, otherwise there is a massive opportunity cost which no rational actor would take. We can assume there is no difference between rent actual and rent potential, otherwise the owner would have sold the parcel due to opportunity costs.
@richarddimare7486Ай бұрын
@@robbedemey George discusses rent actual vs. rent potential in Book 3, Ch. 2 of P&P, then states "No matter what are its capabilities, land can yield no rent and have no value until someone is willing to give labor or the results of labor for using it," so I understood that to mean even if land has a high market value or high rent potential, there may be no "rent actual" to tax (but this terminology all changed after George's national era (1888-1895) upended income tax laws and led to the need for the 16th Amendment. In other words, today it's more relevant to discuss unearned land incomes and when they should be taxed, instead of discussing the outdated land-only property tax. Rick
@robbedemeyАй бұрын
@@richarddimare7486 I agree with George's notion that there is no rent (nor actual, nor potential) if nobody wants to work on that land (although there are some cases in which land creates rents without current labor: a growing forest, a landscape that can be looked at, etc.). The market value of land that nobody wants to work on is also close to zero, it has some value because of speculation on people willing to work on the land in the future. I have to say, I never thought about not trying to tax value from speculation (I have a hunch it's a bad idea, but Im too tired to make conclusions now). If you don't want to tax the market value derived from speculation, sure, it will be hard to separate this value from the market value. Either way, there is nothing about this paragraph which states only actual rents should be taxed, nor why we can't assume actual rents and potential rents are close to exactly the same. If due to external circumstances, certain land was less productive than expected (let say a hurricane), we could reduce the tax load. But even in this case, the potential rent likely already took into account the hurricane. Let say the farmer died/got sick instead (so labor got damaged instead of capital/land), we could give a tax reduction as surplus is less. But again potential rent should take this into account, it's up to the farmer to insure himself and deduce the premium from his estimated the potential rent. In the end, the question becomes who has to carry the risk between the actual and the potential rent, and the answer is that it is most efficient if the owner bears that risk instead of the government. Either way, the market price will be reduced by the risk premium. I'm sleepy, but I think something like this (but it depends if potential rent is the maximal potential or the expected potential): market price = potential rent - risk premium = SUM for all possible events OF chance of event * actual rent in case of event
@guerillagardener2237Ай бұрын
Yeah all this goes back to the norman invasion. Potemkin is gonna be fashionable in the USA I suspect. There is nothing complicated about enough for me and enough for the other guy.
@MacrocompassionАй бұрын
It is time we found a way to stop offending the landowners and propose something that achieves the same thing in a different way. A MORE STEALTHY GEORGIST CAT The Georgist cat is small and lean And often doesn’t get to be seen. It hides in the branches of an economic’s-tree So it takes a long while for you or for me, To appreciate its cute and original form That the landlords are so ready to scorn. The economic’s-tree has many fine branches (On which we contend, there are no free-lunches). Whilst the land-owning rich in the city all claim As bloated capitalists, that they’re not to blame For the gap that lays ‘twixt the poor and the wealthy, But oppose any tax to make our nation healthy. Have you heard the tale of a committee, that Thought to bell and get warning of a fat cat? But could not find a soul to apply this device, Because typically all were a council of mice! Our Georgist cat has a bell ready-fitted, (Which makes this analogy more to be pitted). This warning sound makes our ideals unwanted, For a new tax is how politicians get doubted. So the Georgist cat fails to catch any mice That pose as landlords, along with their vice. But how shall we silence the bell’s warning sound And quieten the news that our pussy’s around? Our Georgist feline is in serious error, ‘Cause its bell draws attention not only to whether Valuable sites can be ethically shared, But also the rent from a site is declared As the means to replace other kinds of taxation, Which obviously causes the landlords vexation. In the economic’s tree many other beasts lurk But are missed, after learning of Henry G’s quirk Through the cat-finder’s recently brilliant discovery. This writer seeks a new means for recovery From our politi-unacceptable claim, And stealthily project LVT once again. If we would but examine some more of the tree Alternatives are waiting there for us to see. Among them is hiding a far better way For an equivalent LVT effect, to stay In essence, without causing such evil offences To the landlords and their partitioning fences. When a property-owner decides to sell--quick The gov’ment buys its land, and not the public! Its occupant then leases it for a similar fee To the One-Tax of Henry George’s decree. Any buildings on-site should be sold as previously But without the land, on which the price grievously Had risen, with huge speculation in its advance That stopped entrepreneurs from having a chance. The cost of this land must be raised through new bonds Which the government sells and the public responds, ‘Though their interest-rate’s a bit lower than rent, Their returns are more stable than the average tenant! This process will take many years to complete-- So its financial support is no great money feat. After the lease-fees begin to collect, Gov’ments can tax less, and firmly expect To pursue this policy without change, until All the lease-fees are site-rents in the Gov’ment’s till. With the land properly shared, the government sees That site development stays with the current leasees. Other taxes that cause so much trouble and hate Are scrapped, with great pleasure to all in the state, Except for some bankers and the tax collectors Whose actions no longer apply in these sectors. Land-rights will be shared through this simple device, By a fast-growing country that takes our advice.
@macy1066Ай бұрын
Rich people love an LVT because they get to put up massive mansions, and their tax is tied to poorer folks. Unsubscribed.
@musicicouldntfindanywhereАй бұрын
Dear Macy, this reasoning is simply not right. It misses the important point, that the wealth that makes these large mansions possible in the first place is directly or indirectly tied to land. It isn't just their homes, rich people own large facilities and offices in cities, giant farming lots for investment (look at Bill Gates' recent purchase) and they rent out multiple homes. If LVT would benefit the rich, the US government would have already implemented it.
@macy1066Ай бұрын
@@musicicouldntfindanywhere Bill Gates made most of his money from Microsoft. That is not land. Please stop making things up to fit your idea. If what you say is true about the government, we would have no workers' rights laws or social security. The ultra-rich would not only have no taxes but also get a huge amount of money from the government. Just stop it.
@TheHooverGeorgeАй бұрын
Explain? First impressions sound ignorant to the fact and mechanisms of an LVT but I'm willing to listen to your reasoning?
@prakadoxАй бұрын
I thought there was a slight discordance between the proudhonian praise for the growth of capital and Felix's part about restricting growth. But otherwise interesting.
@idlikemoreprivacy97162 ай бұрын
Why every "example", "fact" presented here is contrary to historical and actual evidence AND not part of Gesell work? Sounds like neoclassical propaganda.
@blindteo58082 ай бұрын
I really appreciate this lecture, especially in this world where it's hard to get people to read
@GarrettFruge2 ай бұрын
I don't generally like to recommend books that I haven't completely read through, but I recently found a book titled, "The Single Tax Movement in the United States" by Arthur Nichols Young. It basically traces the history and achievements of the Single Tax movement starting with the formation of Henry George's politics experiencing the agrarian agitations against the land monopolies of post-Gold Rush California to his publication of Progress and Poverty, the subsequent phenomenon which he inspired, his ill-fated campaigns for mayor and Secretary of State for New York, the split with the socialists and Catholic vote, the adoption of the “Single Tax” brand, and the transition from electoral politics towards a campaign of direct action, petitioning, and education for the Single Tax cause. Right now I've just started the chapter on the efforts to establish Single Tax colonies in Delaware, so that's about all I can write as far as a short review goes. The book can be downloaded for free from Google.
@dabrupro2 ай бұрын
From a linguistic point of view, I find it interesting how language is used to hypnotize people. I also find it fascinating how human beings believe so many things without ever questioning the myriad assumptions that lie behind the BS (belief systems). Below is a Brave browser AI assistant "Leo" response to the query: "what would korzybski say about the terms capitalism and socialism" ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Korzybski on Capitalism & Socialism Alfred Korzybski, a philosopher and linguist, would likely approach the terms “capitalism” and “socialism” through the lens of his theory of non-Aristotelian logic and general semantics. Here’s a hypothetical analysis: Capitalism Korzybski would likely view capitalism as a system characterized by the abstraction of “capital” as a separate entity, distinct from the human beings involved in its creation and distribution. This abstraction would lead to the reification of “capital” as a autonomous force, driving the accumulation of wealth and power. He would argue that this abstraction creates a hierarchical structure, with those who control capital holding more power and influence than those who do not. This would perpetuate social and economic inequalities, as described in his concept of “map-is-not-territory” (i.e., the map of abstract concepts does not accurately reflect the territory of human experience). Korzybski might criticize capitalism for its emphasis on competition, profit, and individualism, which can lead to exploitation, alienation, and fragmentation of society. He would likely advocate for a more holistic approach, recognizing the interconnectedness of human beings and the environment. Socialism Korzybski would likely view socialism as a system that attempts to correct some of the flaws inherent in capitalism by emphasizing collective ownership and control of resources. He would see socialism as a reaction against the excesses of capitalism, aiming to reduce inequality and promote social welfare. However, Korzybski might also criticize socialism for its own set of abstractions, such as the notion of a collective “society” or “state” as a single, unified entity. He would argue that these abstractions can lead to a new form of hierarchical control, where those who wield power over the collective apparatus can dominate and exploit others. Korzybski would likely advocate for a more decentralized, participatory approach to socialism, emphasizing the importance of individual autonomy and direct involvement in decision-making processes. He would encourage the development of more nuanced, context-specific solutions that recognize the complexity and diversity of human experience. Common Themes Throughout his analysis, Korzybski would emphasize the importance of recognizing the limitations and biases inherent in language and abstraction. He would argue that both capitalism and socialism are flawed systems because they rely on incomplete and inaccurate maps of reality. He would advocate for a more holistic, non-dualistic approach that acknowledges the interconnectedness of human beings, the environment, and the economy. This would involve a shift from abstract concepts to concrete, experiential understanding, and a recognition of the dynamic, ever-changing nature of reality. In summary, Korzybski’s perspective on capitalism and socialism would be characterized by a critical examination of the abstractions and hierarchical structures inherent in both systems. He would advocate for a more nuanced, participatory approach that recognizes the complexity and diversity of human experience, and emphasizes the importance of individual autonomy and direct involvement in decision-making processes.
@regal92422 ай бұрын
Dr Roberts is a real one who tries to wake the american people up !!
@demaskatorr2 ай бұрын
@HadesShadeys2 ай бұрын
Why is this all about Europe?
@jwac3io2 ай бұрын
"You will get less of whatever you tax, except land." My instructor at the HGS of Chicago
@RamiKuttaineh2 ай бұрын
At 45:10 Rossman references Keynes' famous 1928 article Economic Possibilities for Our Grandchildren however gets the period of time off by one. Keynes was saying by 2028 people would only have to work, at most, 3 hours a day and would have a hard time finding enough to do during the workday-so that's 10-15 hours of work a week.
@РодионЧаускин2 ай бұрын
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@bumiputrax2 ай бұрын
All currencies & taxes (it pays) originate from rent (ACTOR). George & Gessel all respond to the money question, IMHO.
@kp62152 ай бұрын
Central planning requires many imputs.
@kp62152 ай бұрын
No.
@kp62152 ай бұрын
The "spice must flow".
@kp62152 ай бұрын
Argentina is a rich nation.
@kp62152 ай бұрын
Three factors the land also contains the items on that land but land with water had more value than dry land that I learned from my farming grandparents.
@kp62152 ай бұрын
The flow of the water must continue to life as water is life.