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@fernandomarecos3996 3 күн бұрын
Hello! I´m an illustrator and boardgame designer, and i´m working on a graphic take of shogi pieces. I would really apreciate if you could take a look, and tell me what do you think.
@Ggdivhjkjl Ай бұрын
Thanks for including timestamps.
@offearthgames Ай бұрын
You bet!
@WeizDLC Ай бұрын
Great list. Love Tak, but I personally believe Go is better. Shobu is also quite an amazing game.
@team3am149 Ай бұрын
Shogi isn’t an abstract game, and xiangqi is better anyway.
@offearthgames Ай бұрын
How is Shogi not an abstract? I do love Xiangqi but not as much as Shogi.
@team3am149 Ай бұрын
@@offearthgames The same way chess isn’t an abstract, a narrative theme is featured.
@offearthgames Ай бұрын
Wow, that’s a wild take. Thanks for stopping by!
@Painocus 2 ай бұрын
The king-needs-to-be-surrounded-on-four-sides rule for Hnefatafl is entirely based on a pretty bad mistranslation. In the only set of rules for a tafl-game we have the king is captured from two sides, as you play it, except for when he is on the center square (where he is captured from four) or next to it (where he is captured from 3, the center square itself being the "fourth" side). The mistranslated in question basically just left out the "when he is on the center square" part. In these rules the king also only need to get to the edge, not the corner squares. (The corner square rule was based purely on the fact the the corners are decorated on some historical boards, and as a way to balance the game more by people working from the translation that had the error mentioned above.) Even with that, as long as you capture the king from two-sides, the consensus seems to be that if anything the game very, very slightly favors the attacking side.
@offearthgames 2 ай бұрын
Very informative thanks!
@The578unit 2 ай бұрын
I've uploaded a crude version of this to the Tabletop Simulator Steam Workshop so I can play with others online
@offearthgames 2 ай бұрын
Wow, cool! Send me the link.
@The578unit 2 ай бұрын
I don't think I can send links on here but it's under the name Ka'a on the Tabletop Simulator Steam Workshop
@pixiedeen8895 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for this! I love abstract strategy and haven't heard of a few of these, so I am excited to check them out! I would also recommend "Dosh" (not doshgolf, but DōSH)... it's a new one out there and it is one of the best I've ever played. Truly fun, original and deep with a touch of luck. I know you would love it. I got mine at the game crafter but maybe you can find it elsewhere. Thanks again!
3 ай бұрын
There's a Brazilian game called trench. Check that out.
@offearthgames 2 ай бұрын
I’ve heard of it. Looks amazing!
@connormonday 3 ай бұрын
One reason I don’t like shogi as much as international chess is that the drops disrupt the feeling of a military strategy game. I will say I think shogi and xiangqi are both prettier than chess with the minimalist presentation, although I never thought it made much sense to learn either one deeply as a westerner.
@offearthgames 3 ай бұрын
Your reasons for disliking it are my exact reasons for loving it. 😊
@Andrew-hb9xd 3 ай бұрын
This game looks fun, I hope to be able to find someone to try it out with. Though I do have a question. How often, with more than a year of this video being out, have people found that promotion is worth the turn? Because, if "serving" isn't a huge advantage, I could see that the first turn being a promotion could become a standard first move. At that point it might be worth thinking about giving the "receiving" team a free promotion. I would love to hear thoughts from not only your playtest but from a year of this being in the "wild."
@offearthgames 3 ай бұрын
I've implemented a rule where the first player can only perform one action on their turn. I might implement a second rule that states promoting can NOT be performed on a player’s first turn. Moving and hitting the ball are advantageous because they bring you closer to the opponent’s end zone. Promoting costs an entire turn and the stone loops can be easily blocked if the opponent is well positioned. The alternate goals force players to focus on positioning and look for weaknesses. I don't see promoting as overpowered or a wise first move. I'd love to hear counterarguments. The first player gets an advantage of getting the ball moving in the right direction first and the second player gets the advantage of being able to take two actions. I’m still not convinced promoting is better than just taking a normal turn. Let me know if I didn’t entirely answer your question.
@nERVEcenter117 3 ай бұрын
Abstracts being "boring" and "dry" falls flat with me. Hobby board games often go overboard with theme, either to the point where the gameplay completely lets the theme down, or the theme is just a cringy coat of paint that feels like pandering. Abstracts drop the veneer and expose the purity of gameplay and design underneath. There is a reason Go is described as beautiful. Perfection is achieved when there is nothing more to take away.
@jan4946 3 ай бұрын
Hi, would be nice to see your metal Tak set in action. Also: The Summer Beginner Tournament is starting in a few days, signup is open till 14th of June if I remember correctly.
@thestone7712 4 ай бұрын
can you recommend any abstract strategy games that can be played by more then two ppl?
@НикитаМорозов-т7у 3 ай бұрын
Azul, sagrada, hey that's my fish, war chest
@offearthgames 2 ай бұрын
Quoridor, Talat, Yavalath, Homeworlds, Martian Chess are all great!
@alixx_legenddark_xx2819 4 ай бұрын
…Despite never playing any of these games, I agree with almost everything you said. I’m kinda surprised that abalone and Arimaa is not here tho, but I still think you deserve a sub.
@TheHumanwork 4 ай бұрын
You forget the pits and peebles "Mancala" typ games as Bao and Oware.
@origenward3845 4 ай бұрын
Neat concept. I wonder if you thought of increasing the score thats required to win and making the goal have varied points. E.g the middle two within the goal could score higher and each successive outer layer would score a little less(3,2,and 1)? Love the name and inspiration of the game. I'm currently working on a game called Olmecas😊
@offearthgames 4 ай бұрын
Great idea! I’m going to playtest the varied scoring. I’ll get back to you on how it goes. Thanks for the comment. Stayed tuned for more abstracts. I’ve got a new one coming out some time soon. I’d love to hear more about Olmecas.
@origenward3845 4 ай бұрын
Awesome! I realize it might not work as well unless there were more spaces beneath the initial goal line that were harder to get to similar to the rings on the side of the board. Could be different shade of color per score perhaps. Would love to tell more about Olmecas, though it is a medium to heavy euro and would be a bit much to divulge here😊
@origenward3845 4 ай бұрын
Curious how you went about making the components? They look fantastic btw. Look forward to seeing what else you come up with. Also would be down for a collab on anything if interested.
@offearthgames 4 ай бұрын
Send me an email! [email protected]
@origenward3845 4 ай бұрын
In the middle of watching right now and loving it. Many games here i have not tried yet. On pause with a phone call but feel compelled to say you should try Zertz; 4 ways to win, two ways to capture, timed end game with diminishing board. Brilliant game. Kris Burm is a genius.
@offearthgames 4 ай бұрын
Really want to try Zertz and Lyngk. Thanks for the comment. Check out some of my original games while your here too!
@1111koen1111 5 ай бұрын
one could trap the ball in a corner with 2 tokens (pieces) and move the third around without the opponent ever getting to the ball,is that legal?Or is it a draw?Could you comment please, thx.
@offearthgames 5 ай бұрын
As of the current rules that is legal. Therefore don’t let yourself get into that kind of a situation. Thanks for your comment :)
@bcccrokinole8633 5 ай бұрын
Why is the field narrower towards the bottom? What I mean is you have one row towards the bottom of the screen with only 5 hexes on it whereas every other row has 6 or 7 hexes. Why the asymmetry?
@offearthgames 5 ай бұрын
The asymmetry is a goof! I address it in the video. Going to prob redo this video later on. PnP files and a rules document will be uploaded soon to BGG.
@blue_ranger 6 ай бұрын
Chinese Xiangqi has a similar problem to Shogi, the characters being represented with similar looking Kanji tiles. (To some other people, of course. I took a first in Oriental languages at Cambridge) not only that, but then the 'same' pieces on opposing sides can also be different! With the 'king' on black side being 將 or 将 (The General) and the red has 帥 or 帅 (The Marshall) other pieces are also different characters too, the elephant 象 for black and the minister 相 for red (Despite being the identical pieces, interestingly this is also because in Mandarin both elephant and Minister are pronounced "xiàng" sounding similar. Considering that all pieces are usually in a set of identical sizes just adds to the confusion. One of these days I may get around to making a western-friendly set. I'm sure I could come up with better designs for Soldier, Advisor, Elephant, Horse (or knight) Cannon and Chariot. Loved the video, by the way. we've already tried Hens & Chicks, and enjoyed that. Trike's 'board' looks like it is made from poker chips?
@jio-lito 7 ай бұрын
You could have chosen a Quetzal instead of an Eagle.The Quetzal is probably more synonymous to Mayan culture than an eagle, nevertheless great game.
@offearthgames 6 ай бұрын
I like this. I may make this change.
@mmmhhh1055 7 ай бұрын
Had a lot to say but reading the other comments I now realize there is little point. I'll just say that this is a list of your own personal favorites, and clearly not a list of the ten greatest abstracts of all time A list of the top ten abstract strategy games of all time by more objective standards: the games are chosen for longevity, cultural significance, the existence of a large player base, the existence of a literature. In some cases, very closely related games are listed together. Chess Go Shogi Xiang Qi Checkers/Draughts Reversi/Othello GoMoku/Pente/Renju Mancala/Wari Fanorona Abalone
@offearthgames 7 ай бұрын
Yes, they’re my personal favorites.
@Ploskkky 8 ай бұрын
Fascinating. Thank you for this. I hope you will show us the other 5 games in the series too. Can't wait.
@offearthgames 8 ай бұрын
I’ve gone another Solitaire Legends video coming up soon! Thanks for your comment.
@nickcopperbottom9178 8 ай бұрын
Why is no one talking about Cavendish?!
@offearthgames 8 ай бұрын
Ooooh never heard of it. I’ll look into it! How did you discover it? Looks like an older game.
@CristianMoss-w5m 8 ай бұрын
Shogi!! Love that it made this list!!
@offearthgames 4 ай бұрын
It's so good!
@bose5160 8 ай бұрын
TZAAR is my favorite of the whole project. Shobu is so good once you realize the roles your two groups separated by the rope must fill. I also have Tak but don't get to play as much as I should...
@David-cw7pd 8 ай бұрын
shogi is OP and criminally unknown outside of Japan
@offearthgames 4 ай бұрын
Totally agree!
@dagargroblad6215 8 ай бұрын
This is actually fun to play, I think! There are some questions about the rules though, not sure if you mentioned them. Can I move the ball over my own players? When we played we decided it wasn't allowed, which I think was good. Also, it's tricky because, the rings (special goals) can be blocked by a player. The only imbalance I think is that it's too hard to make goals in the special golas, because of the blocking. It seems a waste of two actions to promote a piece, only to be blocked so easily...
@dagargroblad6215 8 ай бұрын
This looks great, gonna try it. How is development doing?
@selmaunsley6683 8 ай бұрын
Tak seems to be hard to obtain in UK
@offearthgames 8 ай бұрын
My first set was hand made. The. I bought a fancy one off of the world builders website.
@CheapassJames 8 ай бұрын
Honored to have made this list twice, thanks!
@terrybaileysr.3714 9 ай бұрын
Con-hex really should be on this list.
@qpangfreak 9 ай бұрын
You cant put shogi over chess dude its literally just a worse version of it.
@offearthgames 9 ай бұрын
Piece promotion and drop-ins make it way more fun in my opinion. I prefer Shogi hands down.
@devinhood6435 9 ай бұрын
Do the player pieces block the ball from moving? Like can you hit the ball through a friendly or enemy player? Or can I block the side goals with my own token to prevent a promoted opponent from scoring a point in that goal?
@hudsonmoraes1261 9 ай бұрын
Não acredito em simulações _determinísticas_ do futebol. Ou de qualquer esporte. Se é para simular futebol, prefiro jogos como pebolim, air hockey, ou *Klask.* Em comum, eles têm o fato de serem caóticos e imprevisíveis. O que é uma virtude para esse tipo de jogo. Não me leve a mal. É meu gosto pessoal. Uma tentativa que achei muito interessante - inclusive gostaria de comprá-lo, mas é difícil achar - é o jogo *Elema.* Uma curiosa combinação de jogo de tabuleiro com jogo de destreza. Mas ele não deixa de ter o elemento de destreza. Algo que julgo ser necessário para esse tipo de jogo.
@hudsonmoraes1261 9 ай бұрын
Foi muito interessante assistir este vídeo. Porque, se do 7° para frente eu já conhecia todos (talvez não o 4°), dos três primeiros (10° ao 8°) eu nunca tinha ouvido falar. E gostei muito de conhecê-los. Também fiquei muito intessado em conhecer Ka'a. Que também me pareceu ser um jogo atraente. Fora que, nos comentários, foram mencionados jogos que eu já conhecia e outro tanto que ouvi falar pela primeira vez. Certamente vou pesquisar sobre eles. O KZbin acertou em me mostrar esse vídeo. PS: Você já jogou Camelot? E Annuvin? O que acha de Othello?
@hudsonmoraes1261 9 ай бұрын
Primeiro vídeo que assisto do canal. Já deu para entender que você gosta de jogos abstratos (eu também!). E você parece conhecer muitos! Um verdadeiro especialista. Então fiquei curioso. Como você vê os jogos que o pessoal do hobby dos jogos modernos chama de abstratos? Considera-os como verdadeiramente abstratos? Quero dizer: fazem parte do mesmo time ou são outra coisa? Se interessa por eles? Estou falando de jogos como Valknut, Masai, The Climbers, Onitama, Glüx, Battle Sheeps, Sugar Gliders, Azul, Sagrada... Citei esses últimos apenas para você saber do que estou falando. Meu interesse mesmo é ouvir sua opinião sobre Valknut, Masai, e Tao Long.
@Joe-Esc 10 ай бұрын
There are two great ones missing in your list: "the game players of Titan" and "the player of games", I recommend you to read booth books are great!
@offearthgames 10 ай бұрын
Thanks so much I’ll check them out!!
@Feds_the_Freds 10 ай бұрын
"Chess is boring, it's dry" hogwash! I think, there's a good reason, it's pretty much the most popular board game. I like shogi, but it doesn't have the same simplicity like chess.
@offearthgames 10 ай бұрын
The video is my opinion. It is not a statement that I think most will agree with. If you want to play Chess at a high level it’s all about memorizing openings and patterns. Shogi adds a tactical element by dropping in pieces that I find to be a more thrilling experience. If you think Chess is better, I wouldn’t try to argue, but hopefully my video explains why I prefer Shogi.
@hudsonmoraes1261 9 ай бұрын
Discordo de que "basta" memorizar aberturas e padrões. Isso _também_ é necessário. Mas não é o suficiente. Quanto ao Shogi, jogá-lo em alto nível também exige muita memorização de aberturas e de padrões. Sei do que estou falando. Participo de um grupo de WhatsApp que é dedicado exclusivamente ao Shogi. A maioria das pessoas pensa que o Shogi exige menos memorização apenas porque estão pouco familiarizadas com ele. Recentemente assisti uma live no KZbin de um evento onde, entre outras coisas, um mestre japonês enfrentou o campeão brasileiro. Eu estava no chat e a certa altura perguntei se a teoria de aberturas do Shogi é *mais extensa* que a do xadrez. Ou seja, vai mais longe. Eles achavam que sim. Mas, de novo, creio que só responderam isso porque estão pouco familiarizados com o xadrez. Comentaram que o estudo de aberturas no xadrez vai até o 10° lance (isso não é verdade pelo menos desde a década de 70), enquanto que no Shogi chega ao 20° lance (se contado da forma ocidental). Na verdade, em ambos os esportes se costuma estudar aberturas até o 20° lance atualmente. Então, nesse ponto, creio que a exigência é mais ou menos igual.
@hudsonmoraes1261 9 ай бұрын
No entanto, acho que há uma consideração a mais a fazer. 🤔 As peças do Shogi são mais lentas. A maioria é de curto alcance. E o tabuleiro é maior. As peças demoram mais para entrarem em contato. Além disso, boa parte dos primeiros lances é gasta construindo o castelo. Enquanto no xadrez se pode rocar em um único lance. Disso tudo _talvez_ resulte que o estudo das aberturas no xadrez seja mais árduo e exigente do que no Shogi. Porque as hostilidades podem começar mais cedo. Enquanto que no Shogi a fase mais inicial da abertura é necessariamente de manobras e posicionamento. Mas realmente não sei dizer. Meu conhecimento de Shogi não é tão profundo assim.
@dipudraws 10 ай бұрын
Tak is one of the best, after a long time like chess
@Greg_M1 11 ай бұрын
Would have loved to have seen even a minimal demo of each game. Showing a static view and narrating just isn't the same.
@offearthgames 11 ай бұрын
Subscribe for more low effort!
@gillcaz 11 ай бұрын
There are some great cyvasse apps that I've played, they're totally worth checking out. Also, in The Prince of Nothing series, author Bakker describes a chess/fluxx style game where each piece that's moved changes the rules of the game. There's a dozen references, but mostly they just tantalize and serve as metaphors.
@RobertGerman 11 ай бұрын
Abstracts definitely don't get enough love!
@sawderf741 11 ай бұрын
Shobu is, in my opinion, much more complex than chess.
@sawderf741 11 ай бұрын
Twixt is a very "on the edge of my seat" type game. Every move could win or lose the game.
@charlescompton5975 11 ай бұрын
You should check out Makruk AKA Thai Chess. I love the idea of Go, but don’t have the time to master it.
@carmanragatz 11 ай бұрын
I created an abstract strategy game on tabletop simulator. I’d love to get thoughts and opinions on it. It is called Towers and consists of different sized checkers on an hexagonal board. Again, if you love abstract strategy, I would love to get any and all feedback.
@offearthgames 11 ай бұрын
I’d love to check it out. I’ll try to get back to you soon! Thanks for the comment! Where can I find the rules?
@catvo8224 11 ай бұрын
Tak is absolutely deserve the 1st Place!
@SimmonTak 11 ай бұрын
Love the love for Tak! The online community is super great and there are tons of tournaments for people of all skill levels. I don't get to play much in person, but I do play a ton on playtak. If you aren't on there already, you definitely should be.
@offearthgames 11 ай бұрын
Love Playtak! I should recommend it in a standalone video!
@SimmonTak 11 ай бұрын
@@offearthgames For sure! Especially with the Tak Open coming up next month.
@sushimidget840 Жыл бұрын
What an awesome video dude. I loved watching this. I already knew a few of the games but you've shown me some beauties! Tak looks incredible. We need to revive abstract games because like you said, they are the essence of the hobby. What are your thoughts on playing cards? Do you think we can play beautiful games using the classic deck of 52 or are they as boring as people perceive them to be? If you ever made a video about that I would definitely watch it! Thanks again for the game reccomendations!
@offearthgames 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your comment. Have you seen my video “How to play Guinevere”? It’s an original solitaire card game using the standard-deck. It’s part of a series of games I’ve created called “Solitaire Legends”. I also have a video in the works called “Top 10 Standard-Deck Card Games”.
@sushimidget840 11 ай бұрын
@@offearthgames Ah cool, I'll check that out! Sounds very interesting indeed, I love solitaire games. Ahh sick, I can't wait to see it! Keep up the good work!