Thank Adam, nice to see clipping a bag as a counterbalance.
@pieterdijkstra901817 күн бұрын
Try that with an Old Town 80lb Canoe..
@dougiebyronАй бұрын
I once had a plastic milk bottle bailer on 900mm of 8mm polypropylene which got tangled round my friends ankle while swimming towards a pinning that bent the boat 90 degrees ,fortunately (due to training) I had a knife very handy ! otherwise he would have been trapped in exactly the wrong place , I now view any loose rope as a hazard ,and my bailer is on a very short bungy clip.
@davidrobins7753Ай бұрын
Slick. Thanks.
@mlm32809Ай бұрын
You're supposed to pick up one end to flip it and by picking one end up most of the water will be out. As far as bailing water I have a siphon hose with a small ball inside a valve on one end, just shake it up and down in the water a few times and it will continually suck the water out until there's not enough left to get suction.
@outdoorinstructionАй бұрын
Can you post a video as it sounds interesting??
@abowhandАй бұрын
So close,,, You did it correctly when you set it down, hands on the gunwales, not the seat
@outdoorinstructionАй бұрын
@@abowhand I am unsure what you mean?
@laulago3771Ай бұрын
What cave is it?
@outdoorinstructionАй бұрын
@@laulago3771 P8 aka jackpot in Derbyshire UK
@jeffreyking3807Ай бұрын
Just a shout out. Thanks so much. 65 just retired baby canoe newbie. So so so much easier.
@outdoorinstructionАй бұрын
@@jeffreyking3807 you are welcome
@johnthornley61682 ай бұрын
good vid. I'm very capable of doing it the traditional way, but lifting it onto my thighs and lifting it overhead, BUT... I'm not getting any younger, so this looks like a decent technique. thanks
@outdoorinstructionАй бұрын
@@johnthornley6168 easier is better sir
@kevinannebuck5702 ай бұрын
Thanks for that. 👍
@lukesharkey12 ай бұрын
Oh man your videos having been real handy, I’m from the U.K. and moved to Georgia in the USA and the amount of water across this state got me really into canoeing
@ralforlich17302 ай бұрын
class
@outdoorinstruction2 ай бұрын
@@ralforlich1730 thanks
@Sirrehpotsirch3 ай бұрын
If you do not have the upper-body strength or dexterity to manage this method, especially in deep water away from the shore, then bring self-rescue equipment with you: 1. A paddle float attaches to the paddle blade. This is a self-rescue item usually used by kayakers but I have used it with my canoe when capsized in deep cold water. It works quite well and acts as an outrigger to keep your canoe from tipping over while you climb in. Google "paddle float" 2. In addition to the paddle float, you can use a carabiner to attach a short rope ladder to a thwart so you have something to step on in order to lift yourself up. As with any new skill, especially emergency skills, study and practice so you are ready when the unexpected happens.
@explorerjames85633 ай бұрын
Great video. The other variable is the kit you need to carry, which both takes space, and assuming air-tight, adds flotation
@outdoorinstruction3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. The only way kit carried assists floatation when the boat is full of water is if the equipment itself is tied down tight in the boat. Otherwise it floats up on the inside upon the water. However I have devised ways of the equipment bags to assist with emptying techniques.
@gordienj3 ай бұрын
Maybe the outside air bag could help lift the boater out of the water - like an air ladder.
@outdoorinstruction3 ай бұрын
I’m not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate please?
@gordienj3 ай бұрын
@@outdoorinstruction I'm thinking that an air bag would be useful for the boater to climb onto the canoe - so the boater would be less likely to to the canoe over when he is getting back in.
@outdoorinstruction3 ай бұрын
You can use your equipment bags for that and to counter the boat from being pushed edge ways into the water as you get back in
@gordienj3 ай бұрын
@@outdoorinstruction Thank you. I think that's a good idea.
@CristiNeagu3 ай бұрын
Soo... what if you have small airbags, but they go above the gunnels?
@outdoorinstruction3 ай бұрын
Now…. That is an interesting question. Do let me know if you get an answer.
@CristiNeagu3 ай бұрын
@@outdoorinstruction First I need my own canoe 😂
@outdoorinstruction3 ай бұрын
@@CristiNeagu 😂 I only have one….
@fellmonkey3 ай бұрын
As a novice to the canoe this video is very useful and also inspires thought about how weight impacts this.
@outdoorinstruction3 ай бұрын
Glad it’s been useful
@DrLoneyDal3 ай бұрын
Genius! Now almost 70 and although I used to just flip the canoe overhead the traditional way, this will make lifting a canoe overhead much easier for me. My back and my muscles thank you for sharing!
@outdoorinstruction3 ай бұрын
You are most welcome and thanks for the kind words
@epenaloza523 ай бұрын
just bought my first canoe its definitely a fixer upper. do i absolutely have to have those air bags or is it just in case i go over board and the whole thing doesn't sink to the bottom
@outdoorinstruction3 ай бұрын
Highly unlikely the boat will sink as almost all canoes have inherent buoyancy in the plastics. However rescue is much much harder without added flotation. There are two types of paddlers, ones that have fallen in and ones that will fall in.
@dianabenobo3 ай бұрын
I'm a day sailor and keep 10 foot painters loose in the bottom at both ends in case I have to swim after she tries to breeze off. A 10 foot advantage and couple of wraps about my foot for a step up might help me fix my bailer.
@dianabenobo3 ай бұрын
Me too! ❤ I've always grabbed the rails at either end, but grabbing the seat and using it as a head rest might prove to be my next evolutionary moment.
@outdoorinstruction3 ай бұрын
Wear a helmet and go play on soft grass till it’s smooth
@stereothrilla83743 ай бұрын
More like, watch me cave to a lame soundtrack.
@TN.704 ай бұрын
Thank you. I have to do it in my canoe.
@outdoorinstruction4 ай бұрын
You are welcome
@SmallGameHunter4 ай бұрын
hi, what size and brand of rope do you recommend to use as painter? would the 3/8" Pelican Rope NFPA Polypropylene on Amazon a good choice? thanks!
@outdoorinstruction4 ай бұрын
Hi I am not sure of the brand or size as I’m based in the UK. However I’m using 8mm floating rope from any good water sports shop and retailer.
@ryangreenfield28704 ай бұрын
Hello, Sorry to go completely off topic of the video but what knee pads are you wearing?
@outdoorinstruction4 ай бұрын
Warmbac caving knee pads with Velcro
@ryangreenfield28704 ай бұрын
Thankyou !
@dagger2814 ай бұрын
This just changed my life! Thank you sir!😁👍
@outdoorinstruction4 ай бұрын
Glad it helped
@Ooze_yt4 ай бұрын
I have a rather long question, the native Americans here used ceder canoes here in southern oregon , around Agnes, where the illious river meets the Rouge. my question is, giving the nature of these rivers, would it be foolish to try and head up one with an aluminum 15 foot canoe? I have no experience with canoeing and native Americans where extreme people.
@outdoorinstruction4 ай бұрын
There’s lots of variables in this question! In short you are a free human being to do as you please, however I would consider the issues of things going wrong or getting injured. Everyone eventually falls out of a canoe when poling, so wear a helmet, where a BA / PFD, know how to re enter the boat and perform self rescue. You’d be wise to be with others in case of an issue. I can’t comment on the river or the boat but I’d definitely learn on simple waters first and build up.
@wrzlygummidge4 ай бұрын
wondering why you mount at the front rather than the back? when I take a swim, I make my way to the back of the boat, to avoid putting myself between canoe and a potential obstruction. appreciate your thoughts. thanks for sharing, atb
@outdoorinstruction4 ай бұрын
I actually have bow and stern lines on white water. But if I had to choose I’d go for bow as I can see the line on the deck and that it’s not getting tangle. I’ve been coaching advanced white water this week and the swimmers often came up in all manner of places around their boats so it’s not possible to predict where’s safest to mount a line
@TN.704 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video. I just bought a canoe. Very useful information.
@outdoorinstruction4 ай бұрын
Glad it’s a help. I would recommend some training for both safety and performance. Have fun
@p.istaker88624 ай бұрын
It would have been interesting to see how the blocks compared to 32" air bags.
@outdoorinstruction4 ай бұрын
They won’t be as buoyant and neither will have the capacity to keep the gunnels above the water when sat in afloat and filled. Both serve assist access and stop people being trapped underneath with no air
@p.istaker88624 ай бұрын
@@outdoorinstruction I was just curious as to whether the 32' bags were any better than 32" blocks .
@outdoorinstruction4 ай бұрын
@@p.istaker8862 slightly more floatation less rugged. Blocks are great for centres doing simple trips. Bags are better for paddlers and the more air the better.
@davidmanevich10405 ай бұрын
Is there a certain type of string o use? What about flat leather lacing? Would that work?
@outdoorinstruction5 ай бұрын
I’ve used 2mm climbing accessories cordage here, it’s high quality thread. I used 3mm on my white water paddle. My instincts say leather would not take the physical abuse in water and would degrade quickly. But it would not hurt to try.
@charlesleblanc66385 ай бұрын
Interesting idea, and one could use other materials for the lashing if wanted.
@outdoorinstruction5 ай бұрын
I’m not sure what other material would work, but it doesn’t hurt to try them out.
@charlesleblanc66385 ай бұрын
@@outdoorinstruction you could probably use rawhide for example, let it dry and put some kind of protective coating on.
@outdoorinstruction5 ай бұрын
I’m definitely not an expert in such things. However I’d give it a go, if it doesn’t work it can easily be snipped off and a different cord used. Go for it and let me know!
@charlesleblanc66385 ай бұрын
@@outdoorinstruction I don't personally need it right now, and was just kind of thinking of other materials .. But if I can successfully finish my very first BB Canoe I might try it.
@REXpeditions6 ай бұрын
I am currently in the process of outfitting my boat and love this setup. This is my first time outfitting a canoe. I like the clean profile of this. In your opinion, when I need a painter, would there be an issue with me just pulling the needed amount from the bag and somehow attaching it to the grab loop? Maybe clove hitch it?
@outdoorinstruction6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comments. There’s lots of ways of popping rope on your boats and I have a simple philosophy of 1 is it safe 2 does it work. Using a shortened swim line via a clove hitch sounds fine for open water painters to me. I’d not use that system on a river as the swim line would be difficult to deploy. But as long as you remember to revert to full lines it should be fine. I personally prefer having both painters and swim lines on rivers.
@REXpeditions6 ай бұрын
@outdoorinstruction Thanks for the feedback. I'm currently watching your other video, "using painters to improvise a swim bag attachment." I'll probably do this instead. After I gain more experience, I can decide what best works for me.
@outdoorinstruction6 ай бұрын
@@REXpeditions take a look at using painters on open water and using them to assist as well. The right length makes all the difference. I have a few ideas around lines and painters to play with, take a look and play with ideas
@Zakrivers6 ай бұрын
The length of a mic windscreen is slightly larger than the mic. JK Adam, great info as I'm prepping for a trip!
@outdoorinstruction6 ай бұрын
Yep I appreciate it can be a little windy. At least it’s 100% real and on expedition 😊A friend has gifted me a mic…
@mairnealachamu6 ай бұрын
If you were going to be doing this over distance, say crossing a lake, would you have the towed boat secured to the windward or leeward side of your boat?
@outdoorinstruction6 ай бұрын
Great question. It would depend on the direction of the wind and my direction or travel then thinking about the trim of the boats and also the power of the paddlers being matched. So not a straight answer unfortunately. I would use the wind to help both my travel and correction.
@lrobie1236 ай бұрын
this technique is more effective at using momentum to help lift the boat but also engages more leg muscles to lift
@outdoorinstruction6 ай бұрын
Yup that’s the technique in a nutshell
@stevekelly64637 ай бұрын
Air bags seem to be getting bigger and bigger to the point you can no longer call them by open boats.
@outdoorinstruction7 ай бұрын
They do indeed. We can still call the boats “Canoes” though. I hope the video shows we don’t need fully bagged boats just thoughtfully bags ones
@matthewbrain78857 ай бұрын
Great idea thanks for the videos, which end do you normally put the throw line on? Bowor stern? Thanks
@outdoorinstruction7 ай бұрын
Thank for the kind words. I carry two swim lines as they are often useful in other situations eg tracking and rescues.
@matthewbrain78857 ай бұрын
@outdoorinstruction that's great thank you, so is that one on the front and the other on the back? And a swimline to hand for rescues?
@outdoorinstruction7 ай бұрын
@@matthewbrain7885 yep. I have the two 10mm 1000kg lines mounted in bags at bow and stern. I also carry a smaller slimmer throw line on a belt (so it’s always with me) to put into action if needed.
@Alexmcgruer37 ай бұрын
Nice work. I am far too lazy to do that but it is nice. You have the canoe on edge so you obviously know what you are doing ;)
@outdoorinstruction7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words
@yooperventures28307 ай бұрын
Most lightweight kevlar canoes can be flipped right up to your shoulders at the yoke. I would only use the technique you demonstrated with a heavy canoe.
@outdoorinstruction7 ай бұрын
I used to do that method too, this is easier on any boat. Unfortunately we do not use many Kevlar boats in the Uk, they don’t withstand the types of river. I was asked to test a composite boat on a very used piece of river and it cracked on day one.
@yooperventures28307 ай бұрын
@@outdoorinstruction There are many composite canoes being built in Canada and the U.S. that are designed for whitewater. IXP, Tuff Stuff (innegra/basalt), kevlar/innegra are used now because royalex is no longer available. Plus nobody wants an 80 pound canoe anymore. However, you are right. Lightweight kevlar models are not suitable for running rocky rivers. I've owned two kevlar models and they surprisingly can take quite a bit of abuse. But yes a full on crash with a boulder will not end well.
@outdoorinstruction7 ай бұрын
@@yooperventures2830 I’ve also been told that canoes in the Uk are very expensive compared to North America… £1700 min… so we tend to buy one boat, make it tough and do everything with it. Maybe one day I’ll get a specialist light weight boat
@cbxxb48417 ай бұрын
Thanks for this, I'm looking forward to packing the whitewater canoe video!
@outdoorinstruction7 ай бұрын
It’s almost the same just one tiny difference
@nathanburke83875 ай бұрын
@@outdoorinstruction which is?
@outdoorinstruction5 ай бұрын
@@nathanburke8387 I simply carabiner the bag to a gear loop as well as have a line. I’ll sort a video as it needs explaining.
@nathanburke83875 ай бұрын
@@outdoorinstruction Awesome, really really love the content!
@outdoorinstruction5 ай бұрын
@@nathanburke8387 many thanks I wish I had time to do more
@cbxxb48417 ай бұрын
Can anyone tell me how much and where you can stow gear in the event you want to use airbags in a whitewater canoe, for a several day trip? Talking about food, tent bedding, stove.....
@outdoorinstruction7 ай бұрын
This should be useful kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6eTfHWphZqVnNEsi=a0TqD5DOWi-bZMN3
@gordienj3 ай бұрын
Pack it in the air bag. 😂
@canoepoler7 ай бұрын
Excellent! Thank you Adam!
@outdoorinstruction7 ай бұрын
Thank you
@grahamfisher54367 ай бұрын
Brilliant video.. I open canoe and sail.. I have psychological/ physical conditions.. So its so very important for me to be safe out there.. Im constantly assisting the environments Both on and off the waters.. If the conditions ( weather) aren't right. I'm not going onto the waters. When on the waters im always looking for a ( emergency) exit point(s) I practice the - Slow steady and surly Constant risk assessments.. Doing professional courses/ awards Eg..... British canoeing ( I've been told to do my open canoe leader award) RYA - level 1&2 ( again been advised to take the RYA leader award. Knowledge Knowledge Knowledge Practice Practice Practice Safety Safety Safety Fun Fun Fun
@outdoorinstruction7 ай бұрын
I like the use of the word surly !!
@grahamfisher54367 ай бұрын
@outdoorinstruction is that the correct word I've got dyslexia And word blindness ( AVPD - Audio/ visual processing disorder) So can't actually "see" what I'm writing 99% of the time. ( think colour blindness but in what I hear and what I say and see gets mixed up.. But I'm always open For good folks to Politely correct me..
@adrianccooper7 ай бұрын
Really good, thank you Adam. It reminds me of a skiing example I read about (not my sport). A leader takes a group of leadership trainees off on their trip, stops at the top of a snow platform, really dodgy. Asks if the group are happy with where he has taken them; to a man they are really uncomfortable with it. "Why did you follow me then?"
@outdoorinstruction7 ай бұрын
That’s a really good example, I would be digging into what they mean by uncomfortable. Because if they felt objectively in danger, then that’s a definite problem. if they felt uncomfortable due to stretching their ski technique, and having to adapt to the conditions that could be an optimum learning experience. But if we’re training trainees part of that is getting people to ask questions..
@grahamfisher54367 ай бұрын
@outdoorinstruction The greatest fear of all Is the unknown . If we cannot ID identify something. We cannot qualify it As pertentally Friend or foe. So we ask one to. Advance to be recognised We should apply the Skill/ will matrix. It's also about the coaches/ instructors Building up a 100000% trusted relationship with their pupils A healthy strong relationship is built on 3 things.. TRUST HONESTLY RESPECT Take 1 away and it all fails. without honesty, there can be no trust nor respect Without respect there can be no trust nor honesty Without trust there can be no respect nor honesty. The "triangle" collapses.. I've studied human psychology..
@grahamfisher54367 ай бұрын
Possibly Because The trainees Expected the coach to not deliberately take/ put them into a position of danger 8n the first place. We as pupils expect coaches to be able to carry out what their qualifications say they should be able to do. Act professional and abide by codes of conduct at all times.. Lead by example.. I've spoken up about negative Experiences I've encountered.. I'm waiting to see Who will listen to me If not, then it completely Goes against everything, that we are told to do.... Reach out Speak up..
@whitetroutchannel8 ай бұрын
hope you boys check for redds before you launch at this time of year
@outdoorinstruction8 ай бұрын
Redds??
@Mikeskehel8 ай бұрын
Tempted to adopt that full time so my swimline can be used as a spare throw line as well (currently rethreaded so not ideal as a throw line)
@outdoorinstruction8 ай бұрын
What a great idea. I'd encourage having slightly thicker painters so they are very strong in case you need to pull on them to unpin your boat.. having this pre-set up would be wise.
@davehumpleby34408 ай бұрын
A much better solution to using your belay sling as a swim line. Keep your belay sling in your PFD.
@outdoorinstruction8 ай бұрын
Thank you
@davehumpleby34408 ай бұрын
I appreciate you 'hating' carrying kit that only does one job but, if it's your own canoe pinned mid-river and you want to set up a belay on the bank to rescue it, your sling is not much use to you attached to the pinned boat. I carry ALL my rescue kit on my person for that very reason. Food for thought?
@outdoorinstruction8 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree that caring rescue kit on your person is essential. I carry inside my BA enough equipment to make a 4:1 pulley system. On top of that, I carry another two sets of 3:1 in or on the boat to help speed up rescue response times.. thanks for your input and I really appreciate your comment and thinking.
@frankmangieri20778 ай бұрын
who can tell me what those seat pads are for on the red boat?