Love the old videos. No dramas and unnecessary talks. Always to the point.
@jangirsumitkumar7 ай бұрын
Old days CNC🥰
@danielosmon8 ай бұрын
I saw an old man, and had to check it out. He would be disappointed, my guards and riving knives are long gone
@peterstevens65558 ай бұрын
Kia Ora & Good Afternoon from Auckland, New Zealand …great video bro …
@hermenegildorodriguez68769 ай бұрын
BUEN ALUMNO Y MEJOR MAESTRO !!
@hermenegildorodriguez68769 ай бұрын
Un verdadero profesional
@michaelevans8991 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for preserving this and making it available. It is good clear practical guidance, and a moving historical record of the character of Roy and the ambience of the time.
@joschmoyo4532 Жыл бұрын
The best machine in this video was the Multico mortiser. I have the exact same model except its three phase. An excellent machine. Again however I have to take exception with some of his techniques and set up. It's always advisable to cut both ends of the mortise first so that the chisel is not subjected to side bending forces which could cause the auger to rub and squeal. Make as many cuts as you can with meat on both sides, then waste out the remainder such that its less than the total width of the chisel. Never work the chisel harder than you have to. The chip exhaust slot should face forward to avoid it spilling chip's in to the mortise and choking the chisel up. But the most important thing is to put some oil in the top of chisel after you have started it up to stop it squealing and getting hot. The auger will hold the oil from dripping down in to the mortise. Far to many people believe you should not lubricate the auger but that's asking for trouble. Heat blunts tools far quicker and causes galling on the auger shaft. The setting of the gap between the auger and the chisel is vital. At least 3mm. If your making smoke or squealing it's not set right. Never scrub the bottom of the mortise by dragging it at full depth. You will destroy the chisel and auger.
@joschmoyo4532 Жыл бұрын
Hmm. By and large he is giving good advice but cutting tenon shoulder's on the bandsaw is pretty sloppy and not very accurate, especially on a startrite. Never was a big fan of startrite machinery, rather cheap and nasty. The startrite joiner thicknesser was actually quite badly out of adjustment and the blades were not to sharp either ! He really did not give what I would consider proper detailed instruction on setting the blade guides which is so critical to proper function. Ah well. Rarely if ever have I used mitre gauges. To sloppy and clumsy.
@joschmoyo4532 Жыл бұрын
Classic stuff. Those guys are nearly all gone now. But unlike the majority of KZbin channels, these blokes did their time in the trade and really knew what they were talking about. Personally I think it's vital to understand the cutterheads you are using. Many older ones should be destroyed. They are just to dangerous. French heads for example. Terrifying. Scraper type cutters held in place by collars ! Utter BS. The two pin safety heads with limiter safety blanks work well. Less chance of loosing all of your fingers. Custom insert heads are the best but very expensive. Worth the money though. Insert rebate heads are brilliant. Slotter heads can be used as tennoning head's too. I love my insert slotter head. Most are stackable making them much more useful. Thank God cuterheads have come a long way from the meat grinders they used to be.
@joschmoyo4532 Жыл бұрын
That's a really nice little machine. Clever engineering on those multicos. I love my mortiser.
@jwar2163 Жыл бұрын
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost and over the ages much knowledge has gone the way of the dinosaur to never be seen again. I currently own 9 different routers each has their usage or is setup in a certain way. When I bought my first plunge router in a kit with a fixed base, I did not like it as I was only taught to use a fixed base it was not until my fixed broke down and I used the plunge that I realized that for a long time I was missing out on the unlimited possibilities. Now I use a Plunge Router based router for everything and have the fixed based only for dovetail jigs as it's depth never changes.
@amhjoinery20602 жыл бұрын
Better buy some more cmt ones then
@tonyworkswood2 жыл бұрын
Some Good useful information on this video Trevanion for beginners, from a genuine craftsman. RIP Roy. Tony
@nolan71062 жыл бұрын
🙄 ρяσмσѕм
@tonyworkswood2 жыл бұрын
Hi Trevanion. I worked on the big Wadkin LS routers at Meredew Furniture Ltd. Great video. Great machine more versatile than the spindle moulder. Thanks for sharing enjoyed watching. Tony
@davydmir65652 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! What a joy to watch! Thank you for sharing this with us!
@TomTrees2 жыл бұрын
Holddowns on the tablesaw for cutting rebates is a new one to me, quite surprised this video hasn't been mentioned yet on the forums. Many thanks for posting Trevanion. 🙂
@johnsykes54642 жыл бұрын
The fingerbitten phantom strikes again with safe craftsmanship! R.I.P Roy!
@bengrg22 жыл бұрын
Sweet sweet juicy nectar dribbling down my chin. Thanks!
@pieterhaarhoff72282 жыл бұрын
How about showing how the router bits was set to make the cuts?
@WoodMachinist2 жыл бұрын
If I ever come across a time machine that can take me back 30 years, I'll be sure to tell Roy when he's recording the video that he needs to show the setting up of the bits. 😂
@samgriffiths10172 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@khamisawadh74912 жыл бұрын
whats a great skills sharing
@laius60472 жыл бұрын
And I always thought they were for heat expansion or some random stuff. I have been using quite a few cmt blades and comparing to cheap generic blades and I can hear whistling noise when running on idle.
@WoodMachinist2 жыл бұрын
You'd have a whistling noise for the most part with any blade spinning at a high speed because the gullets cause turbulence in the air, the smaller the gullets the quieter the blade tends to be, but the resin-filled slots definitely help against the ringing harmonic noises.
@AJBTemplar2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely excellent. Really clear video. Thanks for putting these videos up Trevanion.
@iancowlishaw80503 жыл бұрын
Excellent video , took me back to my apprenticeship :-)
@richardmadden63953 жыл бұрын
Interesting to hear the mix of imperial and metric from a bloke who learned in imperial. I grew up with metric as the main system, but use imperial for convenience some times.
@skf9573 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a find, thank you for posting this. In 1994 my Dad and I had the pleasure of attending one of Roy’s 1-day routing courses in Herne Bay - I believe in the same workshop that this video was filmed. I remember it well, being an enjoyable, informative and entertaining day characterised in part by Roy’s wonderful self-deprecating sense of humour. Around that time we saw Roy at one of the London wood working shows (most likely Wembley), and I bought through him my first (and until very recently, only) router. It was an Elu MOF177E and has proved a brilliant piece of kit over the intervening years. I also bought one of Roy’s benchtop router tables and have only in the past week or so built a full-size replacement. I am probably going to re-purpose “Roy’s top” as a drill press table. I have also been “commissioned” by my now 90 year old father to make him a similar router table…. Thanks again - it was like travelling back in time to the very start of my woodworking journey.
@oscardump50923 жыл бұрын
very nice job, this is a new machine :-)
@oscardump50923 жыл бұрын
Hello Trevanion , thi is the basic Spindle Moulding, there is no advanced moulding ? Do you know if there are other video by Roy Sutton ?
@WoodMachinist3 жыл бұрын
Hey there Oscar, as far as I'm aware Roy never made an advanced spindle moulding video, unfortunately, although the basic video is very comprehensive covering most tasks you would want to do with the machine, there isn't much that I've done with the spindle moulder as a professional that Roy didn't touch on in the video, if you have any Spindle moulder related questions feel free to ask me and I'll answer them as best as I can. There are other Roy Sutton videos out there, namely the "Safe Wood Machining", "Developing the Router Workshop", and "Making Router Jigs and Gadgets", I am actively keeping an eye out for copies so that I can upload them here for all to appreciate but they are quite rare in DVD form.
@oscardump50923 жыл бұрын
@@WoodMachinist Hello Trevanion, I didn't know you were a professional in woodworking. I am an amateur, I have a Holzprofi spindle moulding with saw, I am from French-speaking Belgium. Thank you, anyway, for putting these videos online, on my side, I will also do some research, you never know that I will find something here in Belgium or in France, if i find it, so I will share these videos with you. Roy's videos are very didactic and I analyze them very closely, I have already watched them several times. I look at his techniques and the templates he used in him workshop. We see that he knew very well the work with spindle moulding. Just for info, for the story, do you know where his workshop was? Was this the address of the studios "14 St Georges avenue Herne Bay Kent?"
@WoodMachinist3 жыл бұрын
@@oscardump5092 Roy was indeed very knowledgeable, and could teach what he knew very well, not everyone can do that! Yes, that was his workshop address, if you look it up on google maps and go on street view you can still see the workshop in a small compound next to the house he lived in although the photo is from 2009, looking at more modern satellite photos it seems the workshop has been demolished and replaced with a house unfortunately.
@oscardump50923 жыл бұрын
@@WoodMachinist Yes I confirm, the workshop has been replaced or at least they has made a floor above. It's a shame indeed, we could have turned it into a museum.
@oscardump50923 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing the knowledge of this great man, a true craftsman like there are no longer many. I did not know these videos, but I just learned in a few tens of minutes, much more than a year of practice. Thanks to Roy that his soul goes in peace. (sorry for my bad English)
@oscardump50923 жыл бұрын
A big thank you for this knowledge sharing. Roy Sutton was a great man
@starforged3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you!
@starforged3 жыл бұрын
Super fantastic video. Thank you!
@istvanszentmiklosi19753 жыл бұрын
Thank You !!!
@CreativeCarpentry3 жыл бұрын
Comprehensive no nonsense and informative thanks for sharing
@oblux3 жыл бұрын
I love Roy's presenting style - his video on spindle moulding is great too. Proper old school, no-nonsense delivery. Shame that he died of an asbestos related illness - though I couldn't help but notice that he wasn't wearing any breathing protection when routing some fairly nasty man-made boards.
@WoodMachinist3 жыл бұрын
Roy Sutton really was a pioneer, he was doing these instructional videos back when it was extraordinarily hard to do so as high-quality camera gear, microphones, lighting, having VHS tapes made and such was very expensive back then, unlike today where you can use your phone and simply record a high-quality video and upload it to KZbin and have a possible audience of millions across the world rather than quite a small pool of British hobbyist woodworkers. I recently read his rather rare autobiography and he was an interesting fellow although quite clearly very introverted and definitely not a socialite, he had a life of adversity in his early years where his father suddenly died when he was a boy and so he was shipped off to a boarding school for fatherless boys and had a very bad experience, when he got out of there and went back home his mother had become a dire alchoholic after her husband had died so homelife wasn't very pleasant either but he notes he did get along with his mother most of the time but swore off drinking because of it. He had a hard time trying to get a foothold in the woodworking craft as there were very few jobs about at this time during the great depression in the 30s so he settled for various unrelated jobs earning where he could. It wasn't until the Second World War broke out where he joined the RAF as a trainee carpenter in North Africa mainly, working on various constructions and eventually on aircraft. When he came back he was able to find work as a Joiner but he was still largely an unskilled woodworker and in his mid-late twenties and so wasn't the most appealing apprentice to take on but he did find work and prove himself as a good pair of hands, eventually working up to high positions wherever he worked and eventually going it alone and starting his own business. Regarding the breathing protection, it was a very different time then to what it is now and I don't believe they quite knew how bad the chemicals in man-made boards or wood in general could be, although Roy does advocate a mask in his "Basic Routing" video, it is interesting he doesn't use on in this one.
@laius60472 жыл бұрын
@@WoodMachinist very interesting info. What a life. To be honest I'm surprised they use ear protection.
@_NEDM_3 жыл бұрын
More lathe videos!
@jessebeaverson38903 жыл бұрын
Man I’ve never even seen an overhead router before. Wonder what advantages they have?
@WoodMachinist3 жыл бұрын
It depends on what part of the world you're in, I don't think they're particularly common in America but here in Britain they're as common as dirt and are just as cheap, nobody really wants them anymore. They are a very rapid machine for batch production, as shown in the video, but they've largely been superseded by CNC machines for that kind of work now.
@CA-gy4qf3 жыл бұрын
We still use them in our cabinetry shop. It is basically an upside down router table. Router tables can't do some of the things the overhead can do and vice versa. Our overhead has a sliding compound table (like a metal milling machine). Also a pin that raises from the table to act as a centre point for creating circles. They are great for pattern making, and grooving drawers and such, and quicker to set up then spindle moulders. Also the health and safety officers are never a big fan of them as they can be quite hard to guard, whilst also showing the cut.
@WoodMachinist3 жыл бұрын
@@CA-gy4qf Nice to hear that there are still people out there that get regular use out of them, I would wager than 95% of woodworkers here in Britain wouldn't know how to operate one.
@laius60472 жыл бұрын
@@WoodMachinist couple of years ago I worked at Lawrence and Macintosh in Edinburgh, Scotland, that was the first time I used overhead router. Not overly impressed to be honest. But I'm glad I had a chance to use it at least once in my life.
@WoodMachinist2 жыл бұрын
@@laius6047 Look up "Saw Handle Maker - Dougie Pope" by the Ken Hawley Collection on KZbin to see a good example of a overhead router in use in a production environment, the amount of material it could remove is absurd. There's also a silent film out there somewhere from WW2 in a furniture factory turned Lee Enfield rifle stock factory where there is some great overhead router work going on to make the stocks as rapidly as possible.
@eyuptony3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Which one is the loudest when revolving? Do you remember when they first started to put copper plugs into the hole at the end of the expansion slots to reduce the noise when revolving. Tony
@WoodMachinist3 жыл бұрын
The Freud is definitely the loudest when spinning up, idling, and winding down, but there isn't a terrible amount of difference during cutting or at least that I've noticed. I haven't seen a new blade with copper plugs for a long time, have they fallen out of fashion in favour of these slots?
@eyuptony3 жыл бұрын
@@WoodMachinist Yes I think they have since all the fancy shaped laser cut slots became easy to do with CNC machinery. It's just another progression in the development of improving tooling in our era.
@ozgurgungor96553 жыл бұрын
Very good video
@marcocherchi18263 жыл бұрын
Bravissimo, un grande maestro.
@garylacaria2843 жыл бұрын
Great job. Thanks
@eyuptony3 жыл бұрын
Hi Trevanion. This is a very useful video for beginners by showing some of the basic set ups and machining operations on this very versatile machine. Good content with proven techniques. Tony
@OllyParryJones3 жыл бұрын
Seems like I found these videos at the right time! I owned three of Roy's DVDs but hadn't seen these two on the router. Thanks for sharing them.
@WoodMachinist3 жыл бұрын
Not a problem, I just hope whoever owns the copyright doesn't mind/care. It would be nice to get the rest of the videos up on KZbin for everyone to appreciate, I'm trying to keep an eye out for "Safe Wood Machining", "Making Routing Jigs and Gadgets", and "Developing the Router Workshop" but so far haven't found any copies. The Spindle Moulder video is already on KZbin so no real need to find that one.
@TomTrees3 жыл бұрын
Hear ye, Hear ye, The real Sutton who's treasure has finally been unearthed. May us simple peasant folk endure the teachings of mere novices no longer!
@WoodMachinist3 жыл бұрын
Yes! There are far too many 10-minute experts these days.
@eyuptony3 жыл бұрын
Hi Trevanion. Work of art you have definitely done a brilliant job, looked at your ukworkshop link, wow. These are great little machines capable of producing a fantastic planed surface finish. I bought my TH3 new in 1983 hardly used it, it was stored for most of it's life while upgraded to a larger ex demo SCM for width capacity reasons only. I like the cast iron sides on yours and the modern colour choice. Post more videos. Enjoyed and subscribed. Tony
@WoodMachinist3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tony, I think it was definitely worth saving as it's a brilliant little machine and while it's no Wadkin or SCM it planes timber just as well! I might do some more videos in the future, we'll see. I also restored a Multico Morticer a little while back if you're interested in looking at that: www.thewoodhaven2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=4786
@leehaelters61823 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the time I suggested to a faculty member that he go down the hall to the Civil Engineering Woodshop to use the hollow chisel mortiser there. I don’t remember the brand, but it was industrial size, not some bench top machine. Figgered the tech there would set him up safely. When I checked in on him a half hour later, he professed puzzlement at the difficulty of making black, charred holes, clouds of smoke included. The tech was in his office, reading, and I had to inform him that his machine was wired to turn backwards.