akcent... uszy bolą... nie sprawdzając jeszcze domyśliłem się, że polak... nie wiem, ale tego typu akcent - powszechny u polaków, to ... nie wiem jakby to określić.... jakby "udawanie" że się mówi po angielsku ale sama treść wartościowa i ciekawa

Both are beaten by the CPC.

Thanks for posting this. I've heard of these games written in Forth. Not many programmers used this language. It's nice seeing these English translations. I know what you mean re. the cost of a disk drive during the era of the 65XE and 130XE. Though, when I got my 130XE (1988), the cost of a 1050 drive was a bit less than the computer (I live in the U.S.). The price differential between the computer and the disk drive was higher in the early days of the Atari 800, since the computer cost around $1,000. An 810 disk drive probably cost less than half that. Atari computers became cheaper in the late '80s, as did the disk drives, but their price came down more slowly than for the computers. The reason for their high price was Atari disk drives were designed as their own computers. They had a CPU, and a little ROM and RAM. The reason for this was the SIO protocol required devices to receive commands from the computer. Commodore disk drives were even more this way, since they had their DOS built into ROM (Ataris loaded their DOS into the computer's RAM). They were almost autonomous. I saw a demo recently where a guy with two 1541 drives issued a "copy disk" command from a C-64, and was able to disconnect the C-64. The two drives did the disk copy by themselves! I've been doing some Forth. So, I'll take a crack at answering the arithmetic problems: 1) 1 2) 1 Re. your first addition example, you mischaracterized the way Forth does things a little. The word "+" is not pushed on the stack. Rather, the word pops the two operands off the stack, does the addition, and then pushes the result on the stack. So, you start with 2 operands on the stack, and end with 1 operand on it. Forth's interpreter does more than this, but for the purpose of this discussion, I'll say that when it sees a number, or numbers in sequence, it pushes that on the stack, in left to right order (so, the rightmost number in the expression is at the top of the stack). If it sees a Forth word, like any of the arithmetic operators, it jumps to the procedure that the word is assigned to, and continues execution from there. When execution of the word is done, it continues getting input, and if it sees more numbers, it pushes them on the stack, etc. Re. the two arithmetic problems, even though I've done expressions like the 2nd one, it was a bit confusing. The operators apply in order, from left to right, but the operators sort of apply in reverse for the operands (they are computed in pairs, which should be read in themselves left to right, but with the exception of the top pair, subsequent results are computed with the next operand, read right to left, and the prior result). So, for: 7 -3 2 2 3 + (star) + / . in a Lisp-ish sort of way, the expression would be read as (7 (-3 (2 (2 3 +) (star)) +) /). (The way to read this is start with the innermost expression, and expand outward.) The first computation is 2 + 3, followed by "(star) 2," etc. (Sorry, YT's comment parser takes the "star" character as meaning "boldface." So, I had to come up with something else). The second expression is just another version of the first one. :) So, the result is the same.

Hahaha. That is so amazing

Siema. Dzięki za filmik. Czy znasz może tytuł gry z Atari 65 XL/XE (nie jestem pewien czy to była polska, bądź zagraniczna gra), w której miotało się głazami w zamek?

Commodore is better. Dislike for nazi-game.

13:15 - The surname wasa changed to easier saying - orginal was: Trzmiel.

I have C64 Maxi and Atari Mini - the C64 wins comfortably mainly because of the greater number of great titles. It's a pity the Atari never got the Last Ninja games and there are many other other great titles that never made it to the Atari.

Hej, mam pytanie jakis czas temu zadales pytanie na forum internetowym czy kanal na KZbin to dobry pomysl? Nikt nie dal odpowiedzi ….niestety….Ja mam ten sam problem , miesiac temu zalozylam swoj kanal dwujezyczny i zastanawiam sie czy rozdzielenie to dobry pomysl , widzę, ze ty się zdecydowaleś na dwa osobne kanały , jak z perspektywy czasu to widzisz? Czy to byl dobry pomysl ? Pozdrawiam 😘

800xl all the way. Picking up new game at computer expos back in the day, £7-10 each

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The C64 wins the war but Atari wins some battles (edge cases) for example take a look at the homebrew port of Sega's Arcade Game Space Harrier to Atari 8-bit, it will blow you away!

Both are good computers, but many times, the c64 version was better bc it was programmed to use more memory. Often Atari games were only 48 k or 16 k. Thus, Atari was not always putting its best foot forward. My buddy had a C64 and we would use each other's computer often.

They were both great systems. Commodore had better sound and was better at tile style graphics, especially with more colors available for modified character set graphics. The Atari is in many ways much more powerful, but with some limitations. The Atari can display many more colors, but there are severe limits as to how many colors can be on the same horizontal line. The ability to program the display list gave it lots of graphics possibilities with its big color palate & color registers that can shift a screen color with a single poke. The SIO peripheral bus for the Atari was very advanced and was engineered by the same person who developed USB. In fact, SIO is kind of a predecessor to USB and it is multidevice & plug-in-play, way before PCs. Even today, there is the FUJI-NET SIO device that provides internet & wifi functionality through unmodified SIO port. Ironically, the Commodore Amiga was better and was developed by the Atari 8-bit engineers compared to the Atari ST, which was more Commodore-ish in many ways. The companies 16-bit offerings seemed to switch roles.

There's something about Atari 8-bit games that are super fun. Here's some history on those machines (and the famous computer that followed them): kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYa0YqCZrr6Vms0 "I'm a tough guy". Heh. Not really :)

I would have never thought that Atari would still be so popular in Poland! Very cool.

I have been amazed for many years how Poland became the center of the Atari universe. Why is this so? Is it because Jack Tramiel's family came from Poland? I've often wondered if there was some truth to that. In any case, I am very thankful that there are so many dedicated Atarians there who support our beloved 8-bit home computers. Keep the flame alive as long as possible!

They're both fantastic home computers and retro game consoles. There's more than enough love to go around. Throw in the ZX Spectrum and Apple II/IIgs and you're living in a golden age.

The 800xl was great but software was so hard to buy back then.

Szacun! Gierki robią wrażenie. Jestem pod wrażeniem ludzi którzy teraz to pisza

Don't forget that the Atari 8-bit was 3 years before the C64. A more real competitor was the Commodore VIC-20 and Apple II. Which didn't have nearly as good graphics and sound as Atari. The Atari is not far behind in performance and that makes it a good competitor even to the C64.

The disk I/O of the C64 was painfully slow. You needed the Epyx Fast Load cartridge to make it easier to endure.

I had an 800 XL at that time, but got a C64 long after both machines were discontinued, so I could do side by side comparisons, and found the experience to be similar on both. I do have to give the edge to the C64 sound chip, though. Also, everyone at the Atari club that I belonged to used Commodore monitors. They were just better than any other monitor that worked with the Atari machines.

in many cases the 800xl is much better for gaming in graphics ... but many 800xl games dont use the full potential of the machine as it was only conversion from c64, there are a few that blasts away the c64, like return to fractalus, stealth, koronis rift, alternate reality and so on ... the only better thing of the c64 is the bass of the soundchip but also only 3 voices instead of 4 in the 800xl

Ah, I like both sound chips. The Commodore 64 has a fuller sound, but if you can use the Atari chip, that dirty-sounding POKEY chip giving it some bass. However, it sounds like the C64 chip was used more and many Atari games mostly had the music on the title screen. It sounds like the 2 extra channels could really help the ATARI sound. One name keeps coming up on both systems: Rob Hubbard.

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Keep in mind that Tramiel was ousted from Commodore before snatching up Atari which was facing problems because they didn't expect their console to reach end-of-life.

Both computers are using the self same moves in that chess game! It's not about the technology, it's about the games. The C64 had 7,000 more games than the Atari 800!!! And because of the huge sales of the C64 you had much more education, utility and programming software.

I appreciate the comparison as a fan of some Atari originals (though played on my C64). Especially in the UK, little was known of that series, though, of course, the ST was very big later on. Still, I find the 8-bit world more interesting, as each machine is so very different to the next, and not in small ways. One thing I should mention is that these games are far from being the highest-rated on the C64 and seem to be using its abilities in a pretty simple way. But with that said, what do I think of the comparison? Atari pros- much wider colour range, making for more vibrant game worlds. Better sound effects, especially when there is background music going on. The processor looks like it can enable some very sophisticated experiences. I'd imagine the legendary Lucasfilm games worked a lot better on it. Commodore- much better music from the SID. To my ears, it just isn't close and it's my fave for 8-bit sound, just so much more musical and sophisticated. This is what a synth rather than a sound chip FX can do. The resolution looks consistently higher in all these games. The colours are very limited, true, but the dull colours make for simpler and more realistic-looking games. It's hardly an advantage; it's more of a bad design choice. But it made for the 'familiar look' of the Commie games, just as the SID gave them a 'familiar sound'. And this is what makes it such a classic, having a certain look with enough definition to make it expressive. In conclusion- 8 bit is a fascinating space despite of and in a sense even thanks to the limitations. We, who mostly know about the C64 and ZX Spectrum series, should get to know Atari better. If for no other reason than for the creative, luminously coloured games that were simply unique to that system.

please do the voiceovers with one of available speech synthesizers next time :( i can't stand this Ponglish, which is a darn shame, as the rest of the vid is great.

if you need a second pokey to get stereo without odd emulation stuff from real hardware, here is a tip: the ballblazer atari 7800 cartridge contains a pokey chip. there is one more cartridge, google yourself :D edit1: maybe the free version of drum machione was on a happy compüuterdisk? i remember vaguely plaing around with some .... not sure. but sounded similar. edit2: an assembler editor would have been great. but i dont know of a free one. so ipoked in ascii codes and get fckd up a lot. dont buy your child a computer and forget about it. you change their life!

I think when you put the C64 against any machine based on the 6502, anything made by Commodore wins because it was Commodore that were making the 6502 CPU. They supplied the chip. They controlled the supply. Anyone else using the 6502 in a home computer was competing against Commodore. If Commodore wanted to, they could have stopped selling or licensing the 6502 and put all of those competitors out of business, It's just that there was too much of a market for the 6502, they made more money from selling the chips than they lost through their competitors using that chip. And when you consider that those competitors included the BBC Micro and the NES as well as the Atari 8 bit range, wsho knows how computing history would have turned out. Also, I always thought that in Eastern Europe, it was the Sinclair ZX Spectrum that was king as it was easier for the Warsaw Pact engineers to clone! Either that wasn't the case in Poland or you have a really low opinion of the Spectrum. Jack Tramiel really was the American Clive Sinclair!

Seems like atari was faster, had better graphics, faster storage options and more often than not the better game version, while the commodore had the more capacable sound chip, which on the other hand was severely limited by having too few voices to do bass/chord/melody/percussion. Truth be told, since the SIDs filters always felt a bit out of place within the 8bit retro sound context, I'd much rather take pokeys higher voice count and authentic 8bit brutality :) And let's not forget that ataris scrolling was a lot smoother too. All in all, well, atari wins this in surprisingly clear fashion 😎

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You can't make a decision on the better SOUND chip?!?! Dude, you have a hearing problem. SID is wayyyyyyyyyy better than the god awful POKEY.

They made a LINUX BASED OS. They couldn't make their own platform !

I had both and there was never a winner.

Good selection :) I played these games and used these programs for programming :) L.K. AVALON did a really great job :) <333

Nice to hear about yet another source about computer programs distributed by radio.

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I had Atari too I get a feeling of nostalgia.

As if the chess wouldn't be exactly the same logic... Were these games selected because it's all the Atari had ? . c64 has much better games than anything shown here, atleast upto the half the video where I got bored.

I’ve gotta try to play River Raid for 8-bit on my Atari VCS 800 the way I used to play it on my Atari 800 - perhaps ironically in “PC Mode” with Batocera. Thanks for reminding me it looks and even plays a good bit better on the 8-bits than the 2600, ‘cause the 2600 version was pretty great - it was foundational in creating Activision, after all! If only we knew, then, what we know, now... While I’m at it, I gotta check out _Pitfall II_ on the VCS 800-if for no other reason than to check out that POKEY soundtrack (one of the first “serious soundtracks for video games,” if I remember right... ). Also, H.E.R.O., even though there’s that modern clone of it _on_ the VCS Store... I played most of my River Raid on the 2600, too, ‘cause I was kinda tired of it (blasphemy, I know... ), by the time I found my 800 copy of the game - ‘cause 800 cartridges (and other software) wasn’t just anywhere. Not even close. Only if you lived in a bigger city that had a Toys ‘R Us, in the early-‘80s US-or went to a decent-sized city of 300K-400K residents-you generally had to *order* software through (very small) mail order stores from the back pages of an Atari-focused or video games magazine - who would *then* place the order with Activision, etc., when you bought it, meaning a couple weeks, at least. You could get a few things from local Atari resellers, if you were lucky, but that was generally Atari(soft) games, only. Toys ‘R Us also always had a random selection of stuff-at least half of which was also for the C64 (which faced the same problems, getting games and etc. for it!) - on the flip side of one or more diskettes... Of course, there was always a lot of disk-based software to be found, if you knew crackers... who cracked the copy-protection and made crazy animated screens (akin to pimped-out MySpace pages) bragging about being the one who’d cracked the copy. Ads in exchange for free games... What will the video game industry think of, next? Thanks, again!

Wikipedia says the Commodore 128 sold 2.5 million units, and the entire Atari 8-bit family collectively sold 4 million units. So I think it’s more than fair to compare the Commodore 128 vs. The Atari 130XE. Your statement that the commodore 128 wasn’t that popular matches conventional wisdom, but it also seems to be untrue.

I think it's a testament to assembly language programmers worldwide that they have brains better than AI. The task is so advanced that it takes so much knowledge of the hardware, instructions, their timings, and limitations and so many ways required to optimise the code to work on such limited machines, not to mention all the tricks that you can do with hardware when used in unexpected ways. kudos to the polish codes who are still keeping the 8 bit Atari alive. I'm moving from basic back on to assembler again on the Atari 8 bit although I did assembler quite a bit on the commodore amiga (which is actually quite similar to the Atari - thanks to jay miner etc). watch this space

The combined RAM of all Commodore 64s ever manufactured sums up to around one terabyte if using high sales estimates.