Good points. Also - are you quoting the unibomber?

@LarsonHicksShow Did you mean "quoting"? Yes, I am. Not on board with his violence at all, but his assessment of liberal "over socialization" and the stuff he has on the power process and surrogate activities is actually worth reading in his manifesto.

Beer and Hymns recording: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKCufHyugLh2kNU

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We sure did. That was rough!

@joffrethegiant I should also mention that I encountered “memes” in Aristotle’s “On Rhetoric” this last week. Or at least what I think is the precursor.

@@LarsonHicksShow I thought there was some connection between meme and "mimetic desire" by Gerard, but I think that's just my brain making that.

@@LarsonHicksShow Yep, that is right. I suppose I meant in a pop culture context.

@@Cinnamonbuns13 @larsonhicksshow There is absolutely a connection. Mimetics have been studied from of old.

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This is a joke. I feel the need to clarify because that is not a far fetched testimony I'm sure.

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Anything worth doing is worth doing badly. You’re presenting a false dichotomy. All cultures/societies are created in the image of the god they serve. A Christian nation and world is inexorable if Scripture is true. God’s people will not be exiles forever. If the nation around you acknowledges Christ and submits to Him, should the faithful move to be exiles somewhere else?

@@LarsonHicksShow interesting question sir. Thanks for engaging!! Two thoughts: - “better to do it poorly” seems an odd conclusion coming from a ideology that is defined by claiming everyone else has done it so poorly we need to try again. CN encourages taking dominion and living rightly. How is doing that poorly consistent with the whole agenda? - frankly, the observation (command?) to be exiles isn’t fulfilled until we arrive in the true Jerusalem we are called to. We live in an already but not yet reality so we are both exiles and home, at the same time. But to your question: I’d say it’s more likely he shakes us out/scatters us, often as a direct result of persecution, so that we continue to live in the challenge of exilic life. This is a theme and pattern in Scripture and is disconnected from sin or disobedience. He knows our flesh is prone to mediocrity, settling before accomplishing and contentment with 90% (or really anything over 50%). He graciously ensures His work will be accomplished and often this involves a scattering so as to rid us of that temptation. By all means, let’s be faithful live faithfully in our culture by any and all means (primarily by how our lives are transforms by the Gospel) but let’s not forget (or seek to avoid), that we are an exilic people who’s home is both still beyond the horizon and yet in our midst. The desire for a Christian safe space is the very root and seed of CN and is the implicit (and at times of honesty, the explicit) goal of it. It is a useless framework, even if it is using righteous tools and praxis to achieve the end it desires. To put the fine point on it: I employ and encourage, nay exhort, the use of the ‘means’ of CN and Theonomy. I oppose and detest the ‘goals’ of it. It’s using good things for an end which is sinful and opposed to the blueprint we’ve been given for advancing the Kingdom. That’s not a false dichotomy.

@@interestedmeow Appreciate the dialogue. "a ideology that is defined by claiming everyone else has done it so poorly we need to try again." Not sure who you're arguing with here. Not me. "The desire for a Christian safe space is the very root and seed of CN and is the implicit (and at times of honesty, the explicit) goal of it." Not sure who's saying this either. The goal is "discipling the nations" as our Lord commanded us to do. "I oppose and detest the ‘goals’ of it." - remind me what goal it is that you're claiming is sinful? I would exhort you to consider that fact that you might have bought into a gnostic "spiritual" explanation for all of God's promises throughout scripture (old and new testatments). Christ was incarnate as a man to redeem this physicial planet and save actual people. We too should be interested in discipling the nations here and now on the planet He put us and in the time He's given us here. Christ didn't come to negate God's plan to redeem the world and usher in a "spiritual only" kingdom. He came to fulfill that mission and He is doing so.

@@LarsonHicksShow 1) you said “something worth doing is worth doing poorly” Those in the CN and Theonomy crowd are promoting an ideology (methodology? praxology? It’s possible ideology was a poor choice of words) that posits the following - America was once a Christian Nation - America was secularized - this secularizing occurred because the people scorned the heritage of a CN they were given; they chose to not fully realize it - secularism is opposed to the Gospel in an either/or relationship (Doug’s ‘whether not which’ inescapable concept) - Christians are duty bound as both Americans and Christians to re-christianize the nation - those who promote CN and Theonomy have the right ideas to make it permanent this time, namely that of the state indirectly answering to the pulpit and coercing mediated Torah observance What they are in effect saying is ‘everyone else has done it poorly, we can do it better, we just need to control the government this time’ By arguing for Theonomy while standing in the smoking ruins of the best attempt at in history, you are arguing as I’ve shown. If you feel you can convince me otherwise I’d be interested to hear it. 2) There is definitely come classification going on here but if you critically examine the thinking of the founders (Rushdooney, North and Bahnsen; especially Rd) you will see this desire to eliminate Christian persecution and suffering everywhere. Modern theonomists are climbing the same peak, the goal as it were, they are just prospecting another route up the couloir as the last one cliffed out. They seem to not want to have to face the hard choices and swords they did in 2020/21, or worse, and want to ensure that doesn’t happen again. ‘Discipling the nations’ is one of the most hilarious attempts at exegesis I’ve maybe ever heard (not to mention literally not what the English text reads) The text does not support that reading (unless you’d like to enlighten me on how a nation might be baptized in a fashion the 12 would have understood it sitting on the shore that day). The term of ‘nation’ CN promoters and Theonomists use is being imported into the text and would be completely foreign to the hearers ears. The broader biblical context that was informing the first hearer’s worldview did not imagine the things modern Theonomists do. Luke’s presentation of the Pentecost, namely his specific word choices and how those connect to passages in the OT provide a better framework for understanding his presentation of the GC than ham-fistedly applying the idea of a modern nation-state to two of the commands therein but not the other one. 3) the goal is a settled Christian nation free of persecution and suffering, by way of coercing Torah observance in unbelievers, who’s pleasing existence will usher in the eschaton. (My best attempt at presenting the case. I don’t doubt Doug Wilson might quibble about some finer points of the rhetoric but he wouldn’t throw it out whole hog, I’m sure of that) When your theology and goals look indistinguishable from those of ‘5 Mountain’ Charismatics (which CN and Theonomy do, though you’ll likely not even know what that is; it’s heretical trust me) you’ve wandered off the path. 4) to your exhortation: I’m gonna set that straight right now, I believe in the idea of a real people on a physical planet more than you likely do. I wholeheartedly disavow a purely ‘spiritual’ realization of the Kingdom without denying the reality that it is both physical and spiritual. I believe this because the Word teaches me so. I appreciate the exhortation but you’ve missed the mark. I don’t know how you came to that conclusion but I’d appreciate the insight so as to firm up those weak spots in my presenting of the Gospel. Wish we could do this over the dinner table. I’m sure it’d be even more fruitful and engaging.

@@interestedmeow Say when & where - I'd love to sit down w/you and discuss further!