NO! The only thing wrong with the Star Trek Timeline is: 1. Kurtzman Trek, and 2. JJ Abrams Trek! I can not support your theory! I will not support your theory! The following shows must be permanently removed from Star Trek cannon, or I will continue to not support the Star Trek Universe: 1. ST Discovery, 2. ST Picard, 3. ST Strange New Worlds, 4. ST Section 31, and 5. JJ Abrams Trek! REMOVE! "Without respect, we reject!" (Doomcock, The Future Ruler of Earth, KZbin Content Creator) I have plenty of good Trek with: 1. "Star Trek", 2. S.T. "TNG", 3. S.T. "DS-9", 4. S.T. "Voyager", 5. S.T. "Enterprise", 6. S.T. "Continues", 7. Seth Trek, "The Orville", and 8. various S.T. fan films.

Eaglemoss closed? Aw. I feel sad now.

Actually, you don't need First Contact as the catalyst of this. Enterprise mentioned the Temporal Cold War. The amount of chairs moved out of position with all the time travel of that age would have even made minute changes explainable. Simply put, the Prime timeline got nudged, poked, and prodded into the shape it's in through that future event.

Painfully long introduction. 4 minutes of nothing! Please just get into it!

Uhm you're late, however, still closer than most. The First Contact created an alternate time line, which I agree with you 100%. JJ Abrams verse explained it in the first movie when Nero and Spock prime went into the past that divergence was a timeline completely separate from TOS timeline, the Kelvin Timeline. This was still after First Contact producing another alternate timeline. TNG established that there are over 265,000 and growing separate and distinct timelines, officially establishing a Star Trek multiverse. Regarding Discovery, Michael's mom additionally created a multiverse in jumping back in time to prevent . Michael's death. The DISCOVERY verse is the only timeline in which Michael was alive. That alone may make certain people happy. Having the Borg encountered during Enterprise clearly establishes the leapfrog in technology laying the framework for Strange New Worlds. Kirk stated it best, "Some people are afraid of change." With alternate timelines or a multiverse each universe is isolated UNLESS someone crosses over. If they do, another divergence is created. Strange New Worlds also re-established the temporal war established in Enterprise. The Romulan agent said, "Time keeps pushing back." Although the Strange New Worlds timeline is a collective soup of concepts, changes and storylines in itself it is a unifying device ignoring completely established Star Trek history. Regarding Picard. It isn't the TOS timeline Picard. Why do I say that? When he visits Starfleet there is a holographic display showing starships. They show a Constitution Class Starship it's a Discovery verse Constitution. Some question whether TNG is the same TOS timeline because of the Mr. Scott paradox. Watching Strange New Worlds is as Michael's mother established is the only timeline she is alive in. It also established that The Original Series and the events in Wrath of Khan are set firmly in its own unique timeline. You can't keep the whole fandom happy, however, their universe, whichever one they choose, is safe and unchanged and remains intact.

I'm tired of people trying to explain the Abomination many call the deceased of a series known as STD.

The problem with what is suggested in a crossover event of each ST timeline trying to figure out "what happened" to the timeline is the premise itself. You are from your timeline- it is all you know, and what makes YOUR timeline more "prime" than the one I live in? They all understand their own timelines to be normal, so there's no mystery to solve for anyone from the different timelines other than "oh, there is a different timeline over there (big deal since mine is 'prime')

Just found this channel and this has been a theory of mine since the airing of Enterprise.

One of the issues with basing everything around First Contact is that the movie itself is a retcon. Zephrem Cochrane was never from Earth. The original series firmly placed him as being from Alpha Centauri. Therefore he was never from Earth, or flew a ship put together with few resources out of Montana.

You mostly lost me when you said "Star Trek Picard" was your favorite Trek show, but I actually find your theory mostly valid. Butterfly Effect of the Borg First Contact invasion. You're correct I suppose that the Arctic Borg incident shouldn't have happened in the original timeline, even though they tried to keep it under the rug, and even tried to connect it with the first Borg Invasion 2 Centuries later. On a side note there is a particular timeline problem in Star Trek Online that probably doesn't connect to this one, but causes a couple predestination paradox problems.

There are 3 separate Mirror Universe timelines on screen in Star Trek. The first is from the TOS episode Mirror, Mirror to the DS9 mirror episodes. The second starts when the Defiant from the TOS episode The Tholian Web is sent to intraspace, it is seen in the episode "In a Mirror, Darkly" in ENT. It continues to Discovery. The third is seen when The Guardian of Forever sends Georgiou to be weighed.

How about actuality following established canon and stop using lazy writing to do whatever. A true artist can work within constraints.

Alex Kurtzman needs to be fired from Star Trek before it can be fixed.

"Star Trek: Enterprise" These Are the Voyages...Proved it was all Riker and others in the holodeck

1) *_Do not worry_* about timelines contradicting prime canon. _Star Trek_ was, is and always will be a multiverse. The Mirror Universe confirmed that back in TOS and that was an introduction to the franchises 'Dark Multiverse'! 2) The evidence that all the Nu Trek stuff are off in their own unique timelines is *empirical.* If not by the virtue of all the points you have just made than by virtue of the current creative teams insistence on giving each and every show their own unique looks...

This is awesome! I wrote an essay on this same topic in 2019. I feel validated! slcnerdweb.wordpress.com/2019/04/18/an-attempt-at-trekonciliation/

As a Star Trek fan from all the way back, let me just drop this here: YATI Yet Another Trek Inconsistency We learned to live with this concept a LONG time ago. :)

Nice try but the nonsensical dei bs needs to be erased

Your "Endgame" movie will never happen because CBS and Paramount don't love the fans.

Yeah, but the flaw in your theory would be that the Enterprise-E would travel back to the future of the new reality they created from that exact point in reality. So the federation would be the product of that altered timeline. We see no evidence of any change in the timeline in Insurrection, Nemesis, nor any of the Picard Seasons. They all appear to take place in the Prime timeline. The USS New Jersey is evidence that the prime timeline is unaffected by the New Jersey being an Original Constitution Class ship in the fleet museum as well as the Constitution Refit Enterprise-A and not the Discovery timeline Enterprise unless you consider the Discovery timeline as the Prime timeline by making the assumption that the Discovery era Enterprise gets refit into the TOS Enterprise then again refit into the TMP Enterprise.

Spock having a step sister was just lousy storytelling by hacks, who never wrote decent scifi scripts. As I can make exceptions for SNW and LD (latter is actually made by fans for fans and it grew on me over the time), most of Abrams/Kurtzman era of Star Trek is trash and I wish, that one day Q came out and address the audience with words: "It never happened!". Then he would snap his fingers and we could be rid of Mickey Spock, Idiot old Picard, section 31 badges, spore drive (stolen, along with character desgigns for STD, from some small indie artist), unmasking Breen (don't these hacks know that the best storytelling devices is to leave things unexplained?) and so on. This is probably only way to fix Star Trek after years of Kurtzman's idiotic reign. Star Trek became so unpopular that Netflix don't want new shows. Even Amazon declined. SNW and LD will not and cannot drag the mess that STD and STP done to franchise.

Strange New Worlds already covered this. They explained how the timeline was altered even further back than First Contact. But that the timeline still trends back towards whatvwe know, even if it is slightly different

Zefram Cochrane was originally conceived to be a human from Alpha Centauri -- hence the "Alpha Centauri Concordium of Planets" pennant in the Franz Joseph Technical Manual, as well as other items. In the TOS episode "METAMORPHOSIS" there's this exchange: KIRK: Mister Cochrane, do you have a first name? COCHRANE: Zefram. KIRK: Zefram Cochrane of Alpha Centauri, the discoverer of the space warp? COCHRANE: That's right, Captain. In other words, there was a human presence living in the Alpha Centauri system -- and how it got there, nobody knows -- and Zefram Cochrane was from there, NOT from Earth. Presumably, the humans living in the mid-21st Century on some planet in the Alpha Centauri system (or, Concordium of Planets) used the newly-invented warp drive to get to Earth, beginning the process of stellar neighbors banding together to form what would ultimately become the United Federation of Planets. The use of the Greek Alphabet by the humans living in the Alpha Centauri system hints that humans from Earth during 'Classical' times were transported there as a colony by Beings who had warp-type technology that the humans weren't meant to have thousands of years ago . . . technology which would ultimately be re-discovered by Zefram Cochrane c. 2050 (going by information in "INTRODUCTION TO NAVIGATION" -- the booklet that accompanied STAR TREK MAPS, published in 1980). When they made STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT, they 'established' that Zefram Cochrane was from Earth, based in Montana, rather than from Alpha Centauri -- despite Kirk's reference to him as "Zefram Cochrane of Alpha Centauri, the discoverer of the space warp" in "METAMORPHOSIS" -- so that we shall have to re-imagine this man from Earth later emigrating to some planet in the Alpha Centauri system afterwards, and then, when he was dying, venturing out further into the Galaxy to ultimately encounter the 'Companion' who saved him, rejuvenated him, and later on abducted the shuttlecraft carrying Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Assistant Federation Commissioner Hedford, in order to alleviate his loneliness. But ORIGINALLY Cochrane was a human living in the Alpha Centauri system before warp drive had been developed -- by him -- and later exploited to begin connecting the neighboring populations of Alpha Centauri VII, Earth, Vulcan, Andor, Tellar, Izar, etc. See page 24 of Shane Johnson's book STAR TREK: THE WORLDS OF THE FEDERATION for more on the former version of Cochrane as a human native of Alpha Centauri VII, before the 8th movie changed it all. It does sound odd to hear Kirk reference him as "Zefram Cochrane of Alpha Centauri, the discoverer of the space warp" in "METAMORPHOSIS" rather than just as Zefram Cochrane, discoverer of the space warp. Why bring up Alpha Centauri if it was merely the home he LATER emigrated to, assuming he originated on Earth in the mid-21st Century? In "METAMORPHOSIS" Cochrane -- hearing Kirk speaking English -- says: COCHRANE: You speak English. Earth people? KIRK: From the Federation. COCHRANE: The F-? Well, it doesn't matter. I'm Cochrane. I've been marooned here who knows how long. If you only knew how good it is to see you. And a woman. A beautiful one at that. KIRK: I'm Captain James T. Kirk, commanding the starship Enterprise. (they shake hands) This is my first officer Mister Spock. COCHRANE: You're a Vulcan, aren't you? SPOCK: Correct. In other words, as originally conceived, Cochrane was a Greek-speaking native of a planet in the Alpha Centauri system, his invention of the 'space warp' leading to their First Contact with Earth (where the English language -- among others -- was spoken), and as an old man he ventured forth to die out in Space some time after the Alpha Centaurans and Earth had made contact with the people of Vulcan (i.e. T'Khasi, a.k.a. 'Vulcan' by Earthers), which orbits 40 Eridani A with its double-planet companion T'Khut (a.k.a. 'Charis' by Earthers), since Cochrane recognizes Spock as a 'Vulcan'. As much as I enjoyed STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT, I do wish they hadn't messed up the former 'history' regarding Cochrane having been a human native of the Alpha Centauri Concordium of Planets. One might very well have imagined that the 'god' Apollo -- from "WHO MOURNS FOR ADONAIS?" -- and his fellow 'gods' had been the ones who brought Terrans from 3rd Century BC Greece to colonize a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri A (probably, though Shane Johnson neglected to say whether or not Planet VII orbited 'A' or 'B', so it could be Alpha Centauri B), before they went their separate ways, with Apollo ending up at Pollux IV. The name 'Zefram' most likely derives from the Greek word 'Zefuros'/'Zefurie', meaning "west wind" -- i.e. a 'zephyr'. The name 'Cochrane', though, seems to be strictly Scots-Irish, meaning 'red brook'; however, the first 4 letters of the name [Coch-] could be imagined as having a root in the Greek words 'Kochlias', 'kochlion', 'kochlos', and 'kochudeo', which all have meanings connected with the spiral shells of snails, as in the 'cochlea', the spiral cavity of the inner ear. It would be ironic if a man whose surname derived from a word pertaining to slow-moving SNAILS being the inventor of the first human-known WARP DRIVE, exceeding the speed of light!

This has been my conclusion for years now. Ever since i saw Regeneration i knew we were gonna have a new timeline. It's the only logical conclusion because they had scans of the Borg ship and debris to later be picked up. There's no way that wouldn't influence the technology and therefore the people. Maybe that's why they weren't as enlightened as Kirk and Picards crew before First Contact.

So I have this theory that the kelvin time line is/will destroy the federation or change it ways it’ll become unrecognizable, first of all there is apparently a deleted scene in which the jj verse enterprise is not the constitution enterprise, the jj prise constructing is out of date, the admiral has a model of the constitution and so because of Nero and destruction of the kelvin, the constitution class failed, the constitution only succeeded cause of the adventurers of Kirk and crew, with out that, starfleet had to upscale with the jj prise. This is important because it changes the underlying philosophy, starfleet and later on the federation as a whole. Because their big bad new more powerful starship fail to save Vulcan , failed with the section 31 debacle, and failed with ultimately, the destruction of the enterprise and the star Base yorktown incident. And so the bigger badder more powerful starship was a failure. Pushing this new philosophy and starfleet and the federation, that basically they need to have more powerful starships. And this will continue because the doomsday machine should still be coming, as it would had started its voyage before the point of convergence meaning Kirk and crew will be out of position to stop it. Starfleet can probably still stop the doomsday machine rampage but at what cost and how much damage to the federation, so the bigger badder more powerful will fail again pushing this need for a more powerful philosophy. Next veger is still coming, once again started it voyage before the time change and as such is still coming and Kirk and crew is/ may be out of position maybe again if starfleet stops veger, the whale probe is coming meaning very high probability that veger or the whale probe will destroy earth, if the federation survives this crazy time, but with all these loses the bigger badder more powerful philosophy will ultimately change starfleet in its foundational principle and as such the peaceful organization we know as starfleet and the federation will forever be changed, if they survive at all.

Oh, it gets better. The world of Star Trek Enterprise was altered *before* Archer's encounter with the Borg. The fractions of the Temporal Cold War had changed the timeline before Broken Bow. But, none of the earlier series showed any effects of the TCW. They never see temporal agents. They don't have a temporal prime directive. This continues on through Picard. I don't think Jonathan Archer is ever mentioned. (Yes, there's a planet called Archer Prime, but we don't know if it's named for him, Henry, or some other Archer.) The altered timeline is seen in Discovery, Strange New Worlds, and Lower Decks. (And possibly Voyager. Temporal agents are a plot device there.) I think that you're correct that First Contact can be used as a plausible way to explain the changes; but, I think a better way to do this is to say that the events of the movie kick-start the TCW. To the factions, that temporal incursion into the 21st century would have been a big deal. You'd expect them to notice and react to it. Things escalate until we join in during Broken Bow.

Just one word.....no.

First Contact is pure Cannon. Enterprise is great and holds up. Just go with it... its more fun that way.

Star Trek is dead. It is now suited to a niche hyper elite that dislike the source material and core fandoms and use all media as a vehicle for propaganda and nudging society into the direction control based social engineering demands and is intended by the status quo. To fix it, sell it off to owners that don't treat it like a prostitute on the clock owing them a return for every second they own it. Get good writers that are well versed in the source material. Hire the old set designers or ones willing to use established themes and timelines of development. Do not include one IOTA of the new material starting with JJ. Do not bring back ANY of the old crew. They are holly weird and don't look, feel, or act the same. Get New faces, new stories, a NEW generation... Not a new show. This is not Star Trek anymore. They just use saucer shaped ships and the same naming conventions.

The sad thing is, due to what was done on arguably the best modern series SNW, changes to canon were made that go back before First Contact, just because the producers wanted it to dispite no need to change it. Excellent episode, but put Kahn as a child during modern times when he originally left Earth in the 90s. Now, one could argue that First Contact was the tipping point that "created" the situation that led to the Temporal Cold War in ENT and that THIS was what led to all of the changes... as the Temporal Cold War affected multiple points in time.

1:31 Point of order: there is only ONE original show, and that is "Star Trek." To paraphrase Scotty, no bloody "The Next Generation," ""Deep Space Nine," "Voyager" or "Enterprise!" Enh, okay, it's an interesting theory, but that means this "Discovery" timeline is an offshoot of the Prime timeline, much as with the Kelvin timeline in the '09 movie. What then would necessarily bring the separate crews together? The timelines are distinct and stable, as opposed to, say, the past, present, and future anomaly that would have destroyed reality in the NextGen finale. The Discovery timeline cannot integrate OG Star Trek per se, because they've already altered it, what with Uhura, Chapel and M'Benga being on the Enterprise long in advance of Kirk taking command, not to mention the technological changes. Having a third timeline doesn't work logically as the setting for a big "Star Trek: Endgame" event. The "Discovery" era shows were already an unstated reboot of the franchise, despite pointless protestations to the contrary. As far as brining the old fans back, they're already gone, and this proposed event won't be what brings them back. If the Kelvin timeline movies played a little too fast and loose for some old-skool Trekkies, the series from Discovery forward have been a slap in the face that sent much of the remainder packing. They are both stupid and BORING. I would never watch any event that integrated with that timeline. Fundamentally, Star Trek is dead. The Paramount Minus series are largely worthless (what I've seen of "Lower Decks" is fun in a "Futurama" way, but I don't take it seriously), and I don't think there will ever be another Kelvin timeline movie, flawed yet entertaining as they were. Creatively, the franchise been bankrupt since the last original cast movie. I think its day has come and gone. Maybe years from now whoever has the franchise might prove me wrong, but that's a big-ol' "might." And maybe that's a good thing. Instead of trying to reanimate a dead franchise yet again, something new and original might get a chance to become the *next* big thing.

I like your idea, but personally I think it was the Voyager 2 part episode 'Future's End' that changed the timeline in 1997 when the original eugenics war was supposed to happen, but didn't. The time ship changed the microchip evolution by 20 years, which is also how long the Khan thing had been changed in the Star Trek: Brave New Worlds episode 'Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow' where La'an and alternate Kirk went back in time to 2023 Toronto. This alteration to the time line also allowed the temporal cold war to start altering the time line events that took place in Enterprise. Since Agent Daniels said things in the episodes were supposed to happen 'differently' on many occasions. They were already in the alternate timeline when first contact took place. Janeway was well known for leaving temporal loose ends when ever she time travelled.

I could probably write a whole book about how I think the timelines work in Star Trek, but I totally agree with you! First Contact had a huge impact on the Star Trek timeline.

This is why fans of franchises make the best directors and producers

If you really think about the whole Nexus from generations really changed the time line. Think about it everyone is kinda dead but Picard. YET! he is stuck in the Nexus if u really think about. Everything after the Enterprise D is destroyed and the planet. It is picards wishful thinking. They never explained how he reversed time and broke out of the Nexus with kirk and all that. so to me this is a timeline split.

Except for the part, that I don't like - especially Disco - isn't the inconsitencies, its the bad writing. But aside from that: First Contact didn't create a new timeline. Without the events of First Contact, Voyager's "Dark Frontier" wouldn't make any sense. How did the Hansen's know about the Borg 10 years before Q threw the Enterprise-D into that first cube's way. So First Contact has to be always have been there in the prime universe.

What I would really like to see is characters/crews from the Splinter Timeline, and have it so that they were NOT wiped from existence like in CODA. That way, we can have the crews from Excalibur, Titan, Aventine, and even the Enterprise-E under Captain Data make an appearance, rather than just being yeeted out of existence. Maybe even get a TV series based on Destiny, New Frontiers, Titan, and the Typhon Pact, or at least have those events referred to, and the ramifications of those series of events given a little bit more expanded information. There's even the possibility of a show based around an Enterprise-G that is actually a brand new design, because she presumably exists somewhere in the multiverse.

New details that fill in gaps between established facts, and don't contradict things explicitly shown, are not "deviations", they're just new information.

The canon is determined by the owners, Paramount. Literally no one else.

I dont think its the timeline shift, i think its because the storylines are all over the place, and characters like Picard are treated like crap. Strange New Worlds is far better, but the Orville is the most Trekkie show we have in recent times.

This is my personal idea and I know it will never be possible as the original actor that played Spock in TOS is gone I would love to see a movie based on how the borg came to be I had read a book by Mr Shatner that revealed the origins of the Borg and I feel it is true and I am pulling form Star Trek the Motion Picture as it seems to me to follow along the line of what Spock saw when he mind melded with Vger the world where the Borg started but didn't end. I believe their origins started to grow from coming into contact with a probe from earth that we thought lost to a black hole. Don't know if any of those that will see this read that book as I feel it would help find a proper start for the Borg and their beginnings but it would be far from their end. (If I misspelled the authors name please correct me and thank you)

Every series takes place in a different universe. The only consistent dimension that features in all seasons (or at least those where it is mentioned) is the mirror universe.

Very interestingI am with you!

I feel like we've been dealing with compounding time travel consequences since the beginning. Anyone remember UESPA or James R. Kirk?

Only thing that can fix the franchise is to decanonize all post 2009 trek, and enterprise and start over. Star trek actually had a problem similar to star wars. A lot of lore known before first contact came from books which made way more sense than what was depicted in the series or movies. For example there was a simpler less convoluted explanation for the appearance of the from tos and tmp era, klingons were simply hiding there true appearance in order to mislead the rest of the galaxy. Another example would be first contact which should have taken place after Cochrane 's first mission to alpha centauri. Lastly is the premise of enterprise, earth finally developing warp 5 which was bogus. Should've already have had this capability in first place otherwise colonial program and interstellar trade probably would have been impractical, problem should have been the inefficiencies in controlling the propulsion systems as mentioned in one of the books. Kinda like how a steam locomotive and a diesel engine both did the same thing but steam was more labor intensive.

I have this theory about First Contact, too. I’ve been telling it every Trekkie I meet since Enterprise. Nice work! Sadly, I don’t think the powers that be will ever acknowledge how effective this alternate timeline fix would be.

This way most of the TOS crew get to survive into the 24th century and interact with the TNG crew.

To keep Dr. Soran from destroying Veridion 3 Picard and the crew of the enterprise D would have to kidnap Soran while still in the 23rd century and bring him to the 24th century to get the help he needs to heal mentally. And make try to except that his family is gone. Later we learn that not only did McCoy, Spock , Scott, Chekoh have lived to be very old, but so has Captain Kirk. We see them at the at the ceremony for the new Enterprise E. And the Enterprise D being removed from service for a refit. It will become the Enterprise Galaxy Class 2

To fix Captain Kirks death on Veridion 3 you have to travel back in time to the point right before he fixes the deflector control room to send the plasma burst at the Nexus. The ship from the future can easily shoot the Nexus with its phasers. Then the Enterprise B will escape undamaged. And Captain Kirk lives out his life from that point forward. The ship that travel back in time would be the Enterprise D and Picard and Kirk would actually still meet one another.

Remember when Doc and Marty got back to the alternative 1985 in BTTF 2? What did they have to do to fix the timeline in that movie? They changed the events in 1955 to correct the timeline. They kept Biff from keeping the sports almanac that told him the future. That's the way to fix Star Trek. Go back to the period in which Neria chasing elder Spock to the Kelvin timeline happened and prevent him from destroying the ship and killing its captain and George Kirk. Then get Spock back to the 25 century. Then the event's in the Kelvin timeline movie's will be deleted. Restoring the original TOS timeline.