Repeated Addition and Subtraction
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@spanishlarc31
@spanishlarc31 28 күн бұрын
Excellent work!
@_amangupta
@_amangupta Ай бұрын
The world need more people like you , Cheers !
@faqihahnur6936
@faqihahnur6936 2 ай бұрын
thank you so much, thats such amazing explanation ,
@joydeepsingh9113
@joydeepsingh9113 2 ай бұрын
Sir, you are just expliaing the derivation like others but the logic is still left unexplained. what is the logic ???
@treena3956
@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
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@VolumetricTerrain-hz7ci
@VolumetricTerrain-hz7ci 3 ай бұрын
There are unknown way to visualize subspace, or vector spaces. You can stretching the width of the x axis, for example, in the right line of a 3d stereo image, and also get depth, as shown below. L R |____| |______| TIP: To get the 3d depth, close one eye and focus on either left or right line, and then open it. This because the z axis uses x to get depth. Which means that you can get double depth to the image.... 4d depth??? :O It's possible to add 4d depth to a isometric cube, by moving the skew square side along the x axis of the right cube, individually, and leave the left cube unchanged. It's even possible to create an isometric/true perspective hybrid, by leaving the north west/south east line unchanged, while adding perspective to the north east/south west line. Would be awesome, if someone make a game (even KZbin video) that way! Nice video! :-) p.s You're good teacher!
@treena3956
@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
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@VolumetricTerrain-hz7ci
@VolumetricTerrain-hz7ci 2 ай бұрын
@@treena3956 Thanks! 🙂
@wiz4rdx440
@wiz4rdx440 4 ай бұрын
underrated video 🔥
@treena3956
@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
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@UnknownSENKu
@UnknownSENKu 4 ай бұрын
you help me a lot to understand this. Thank you... Wish you got millions subscriber in few days...
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@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
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@MyanmarMandolin
@MyanmarMandolin 5 ай бұрын
Can you make more videos of those please? You are amazing!! Thanks for all the tremendous effort!!
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@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
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@edwingrigorian4585
@edwingrigorian4585 6 ай бұрын
Very helpful explanations and animations.
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@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
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@Mendel0_0
@Mendel0_0 6 ай бұрын
pretty good. what about negative 3 in the bank?
@treena3956
@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
I don't think I totally understand your question here
@andreiinthedesktopworld1178
@andreiinthedesktopworld1178 7 ай бұрын
Software?
@treena3956
@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
I wrote my own software to edit these. But the drawings are done in procreate
@JerichoDeGuzman-rm1kd
@JerichoDeGuzman-rm1kd 8 ай бұрын
This is the explanation that hammered down the nail for me. Thank you very much my great sir
@treena3956
@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
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@MATHEMATICSMental
@MATHEMATICSMental 8 ай бұрын
same channel
@simpleman283
@simpleman283 9 ай бұрын
Multiplication is repeated addition, WRONG! Multiplication is repeated addition OR repeated subtraction. The X in multiplication is the symbol for groups. First number tells you if you are adding or subtracting & how many times.
@luckygamer9197
@luckygamer9197 9 ай бұрын
Subtraction is addition
@simpleman283
@simpleman283 9 ай бұрын
@@luckygamer9197 🤣
@luckygamer9197
@luckygamer9197 9 ай бұрын
@@simpleman283?
@sholuakimara7534
@sholuakimara7534 9 ай бұрын
Basically the first number is your trajectory and the second number dictates if it continues that direction or flips the other way. Negative flips while positive keeps it going. Interesting
@treena3956
@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
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@xniyana9956
@xniyana9956 9 ай бұрын
One of the best explanations I've seen of this topic. Well done!
@treena3956
@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
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@DragonSageKaimus
@DragonSageKaimus 10 ай бұрын
Amazing... I didn't even know about the first axis type.I am realizing this channel is what I have been looking for, for a while. I love hearing and seeing the teaching in live experience, both teaching and demonstration.
@treena3956
@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
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@4DMovie
@4DMovie 11 ай бұрын
Please read the book "Four-Dimensional Descriptive Geometry"'. The four 3D spaces are easy to see. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqGthZKlmJiqaq9r
@andyrzimm
@andyrzimm Жыл бұрын
I'd explain -3*-4 as taking away negative 4 three times. If we're starting at zero, taking away negative four three times leaves us at positive 12, because taking away a negative is the same as adding.
@123chomps
@123chomps 10 ай бұрын
This is great. Thinking about negative numbers as "amounts being taken away" is so helpful. To build off this, let's say you borrowed (borrowing is a negative amount) 3 dollars from your friend 4 times (-3*4=-12). So, you owe (negative amount) your friend 12 dollars. Let's also say your friend relieves you of your debt. So, -3*-4 is removing (removing is a negative amount) the -4 times you were in debt (debt is a negative amount) for -3 dollars which will mean you keep (a positive amount) the 12 dollars your friend gave you.
@sampatkalyan3103
@sampatkalyan3103 5 ай бұрын
this explanation doesn't not fit with the definition of multiplication. we have to create a new definition for multiplication.
@sampatkalyan3103
@sampatkalyan3103 5 ай бұрын
still it is assuming that -*- is positive
@sampatkalyan3103
@sampatkalyan3103 5 ай бұрын
@@123chomps here what is happening in this example that you are doing 3*4 then you are making it negative. but if we go by the what he said by amounts being taken away for example in -3 * 4 if -3 is added 4 times because 4 is positive number so it is -12 no lets go opposite what if 4 is taken away negative three times 4-4-4 which is 4. so tell me what the definition of taking away a something if - is present. by itself or with what. same logic applies with -3*-4. it doesn't work
@sampatkalyan3103
@sampatkalyan3103 5 ай бұрын
@@123chomps before you counter my comment explain what is 3*4 is it adding 3 4 times. and if this is true then what is 3*-4.
@christopher631
@christopher631 Жыл бұрын
Same as speaking in double negatives, which is how I just rationalized this explanation: by saying I am not NOT going to eat dinner, in effect I'm saying I'm going to eat dinner.
@SAMSSLOTCHANNEL
@SAMSSLOTCHANNEL Жыл бұрын
So you can take 2 negatives and equal a positive so 2x2=4 and -2x-2=4 lol so why even use the negative
@davidduran8601
@davidduran8601 Жыл бұрын
This is the worst explanation I've ever heard of.
@Snax000
@Snax000 Жыл бұрын
As a visual learner, this explained disjointed sets way better than my professor could. Very much appreciated
@treena3956
@treena3956 Жыл бұрын
You're most welcome :)
@Abodroc94
@Abodroc94 Жыл бұрын
It's nice to see another axiom of mathematics!
@LuminescentPictures
@LuminescentPictures Жыл бұрын
I got it, then I didn't get it... The equation and/or demonstration at 11:55 only makes sense if you start with the number 1... But that number came right out of nowhere, and is not in the written statement. How, in reading (-3)x(-4), am I supposed to know that I need to start with the number 1, then complete the equation, versus starting with the number zero, or even starting with the number 17 or 39? conversly (just to make my questioning point very clear) when I multiply 3 x 4 to equal 12 I am starting with 3 then multiplying it by 4 to get 12.... I feel like in that example, I am starting with zero, then doing the work. I wouldn't even know how to start at 1 when multiplying 3 x 4... I mean, that could be 13 as 12+1, or it could be 3+1x4... oh... is that also 12? if we do the multiplication first? or would it be assumed that starting at 1 for 3 would equal 4 then times 4 to get 16? I Don't know, but still, you can see what my original question is getting at right?
@jilgk2043
@jilgk2043 Жыл бұрын
I searched for so long to find someone who explains it with a visual representation and acknowledges that it creates a knot in the head. Many just present (-1)x(-1)=1 as a fact that needs to be accepted.
@joydeepsingh9113
@joydeepsingh9113 2 ай бұрын
He is almost doing the same thing .. just accept it as a fact .. I still dont understand the logic ..
@jklimtsc
@jklimtsc Жыл бұрын
This still doesn't answer the question of why, which is the claim of the video. It's a good explanation of negative numbers and multiplication but not a conceptual answer to the why does a negative times a negative equal a positive.
@talastra
@talastra Жыл бұрын
Rather than thinking of multiplication as repeated addition and subtraction in terms of a number line (as the example above crashes on), let x(y) [x*y] mean something like "put y blocks from your hand onto a table x times," then we see that the operation involves either moving blocks (in your hand) onto the table or (from the table) into your hand. Nothing to do with a number line. So (just to work through all the cases), if we first do 3(4), this moves 3 sets of 4 blocks (from my hand) to the table, giving 12 blocks on the table (as expected). Then given -3(4) or 3(-4), this will involve in some way moving 4 groups of blocks 3 times from the table to my hand, leaving zero blocks on the table (as expected, and thus convincing myself that I have somehow "reversed" what I did with 3(4) to begin with]. However, if there were not already blocks on the table, then after 3(-4) or -3(4), I will have borrowed or stolen or subtracted 12 blocks from the table to my hand, and there will be a "hole" or "deficit" of -12 blocks on the table (as expected). But wait. No one told us that we could "steal" from an empty table in this way, but apparently we can! Also, no one told us that we apparently have a stock of blocks in our hands to be setting down on the table (in groups of 3) in the first place, but apparently we do! Where did these come from? From the fact that moving blocks (that already exist) to and from spaces is a better metaphor for presenting multiplication as repeated addition or subtraction than a number line. So the "real" situation involves blocks moving from the table (to my hand) or from my hand (to the table). As such, if (-3)(-4) will involve some kind of "opposite" movement compared to -3(4) or 3(-4), then that movement is precisely borrowing or stealing or subtracting blocks FROM MY HAND to the table. A s a result, there will then be 12 blocks on the table (and a "hole" of -12 blocks in my hand). So, if -1(1) or 1(-1) means there are -1 objects on the table now (and +1 in my hand), then (-1)(-1) is the opposite of that, so that there is -1 object in my hand, and +1 object on the table.
@najlaabdala5170
@najlaabdala5170 3 ай бұрын
Check multiplication using math tiles.
@jazmina8947
@jazmina8947 Жыл бұрын
omg most helpful god bless you thank you!!!
@treena3956
@treena3956 2 ай бұрын
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@nrghexa825
@nrghexa825 Жыл бұрын
Soooooo Complex
@eduardobarreto6095
@eduardobarreto6095 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation, thank you
@talastra
@talastra 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for this.
@talastra
@talastra 2 жыл бұрын
Please excuse all my thinking out loud here! :) And thanks for the video. I learned myself.
@talastra
@talastra 2 жыл бұрын
I was motivated to think of the following thanks to your video; so, that's good. However, the video didn't explain the point. [Another similar video was completely unsatisfactory; yours is better and more productive] However, ultimately getting to (-1)(-1) = 1 is a tautology. Of course, it's mathematically the case, but it doesn't explain why it is the case in terms of multiplication as repeated addition and subtraction (as someone else commented). The root problem is that presenting multiplication as repeated addition or subtraction on a number line is a fail. Clearly, if I start at 4 and multiply by -2, then I subtract 4 twice [4-4 = 0, 0-4 = -4], and end up at -4, not -8. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? Below is my attempt at an explanation (inspired by the example of your video). However, I tried the explanation below to someone very bad at math, and it didn't seem to light up the understanding. So, maybe it's still a fail. Rather than thinking of multiplication as repeated addition and subtraction in terms of a number line (as the example above crashes on), let x(y) mean something like "put y blocks from your hand onto a table x times," then we see that the operation involves either moving blocks (in your hand) onto the table or (from the table) into your hand. So, if we first do 3(4), this moves 3 sets of 4 blocks (from my hand) to the table, giving 12 blocks on the table (as expected). Then given -3(4) or 3(-4), this will involve moving groups of blocks from the table to my hand, leaving zero blocks on the table (and thus convincing myself that I have somehow "reversed" what I did with 3(4) to begin with]. [Also, while -3(4) and 3(-4) are obviously mathematically interchangeable, it is not intuitive how "removing" -4 blocks 3 times or "removing" 4 blocks -3 times is actually the same thing, if it is. But set that aside for here.] However, if there were not already blocks on the table, then after -3(4) or -3(4), I will have borrowed or stolen or subtracted 12 blocks from the table to my hand, and there will be a "hole" or "deficit" of -12 blocks on the table (as expected). Hmm. No one told us that we could "steal" from an empty table in this way, but apparently we can! Also, no one told us that we apparently have a stock of blocks in our hands to be setting down on the table (in groups of 3) in the first place, but apparently we do! Where did these come from? From the fact that moving blocks (that already exist) to and from spaces is a better metaphor for presenting multiplication as repeated addition or subtraction. As such, the situation involves blocks moving from the table (to my hand) or from my hand (to the table). As such, if (-3)(-4) will involve some kind of "opposite" movement compared to -3(4) or 3(-4), then that movement is precisely borrowing or stealing or subtracting blocks from the HAND to the table, with a result that there will then be 12 blocks on the table (and a "hole" of -12 blocks in my hand). QED
@talastra
@talastra 2 жыл бұрын
I am not a mathematician (I've only suffered from a bad mathematical education), and I can't stop my amateur wanking here. Of course, I have no problem accepting the "it's just that way" command from a math teacher that multiplying two negatives gives you a positive. (Math teachers suffer from bad mathematical educations too). It's really more about abandoning this bad "metaphor" that multiplication is repeated addition and subtraction when illustrated on a number line. As an elementary school kid, I was completely flummoxed by negative integers because of this shitty metaphor that doesn't make sense. (Never mind that division isn't repeated subtraction!) Meanwhile, my curiosity is locked on how one could consistently distinguish between what is happening with -3(4) compared to 3(-4). Whether one is "adding" or "subtracting" blocks to/from the table is controlled by the sign inside the parenthesis. "Adding" -4 blocks to the table is adding them to the hand, while "adding" 4 blocks to the table is subtracting them from the hand. One is then "doing" this 3 times or "undoing" it 3 times (presumably reversing it). So 3(-4) is adding 4 blocks to the hand 3 times (leaving the expected -12 "hole" on the table], while undoing that, (-3)(-4) would be adding 4 blocks from the hand to the table 3 times [which is indeed the expected +12]. This is close to the desperate mnemonic I used to try to keep track of integer multiplication. If there were two minus signs, (-3)(-4), they would "combine" as a +. Lastly, this could be turned around, so that 3(4) didn't mean putting 3 groups of 4 onto a table, but stealing 3 groups of 4 from the hand. This would be -12 in the hand, but because this is a "reversal" of all the above, that would be the opposite of -12, or +12 (once again, the expected answer).
@blvckbytes7329
@blvckbytes7329 2 жыл бұрын
@@talastra Kind of reminds me of the same issue with how powers are repeated multiplications, but then how would you multiply a rational number of times? Really gotta look behind the curtains here.
@rocco3935
@rocco3935 2 жыл бұрын
the fundamental flaw with this argument is that 3 · 4 doesn't means adding the number 4 three times to itself but two times. Indeed here there are two additions 4 + 4 + 4 namely 4+4 is one addition and 8 + 4 is the other. there are no other addition. This make impossible to explain (-3)·(-4) in terms of repeated additions, but nevertheless it is still possible if one can find the true meaning of multiplication.
@srinivasjayanthy5946
@srinivasjayanthy5946 2 жыл бұрын
It's not elegant
@christianduval8374
@christianduval8374 2 жыл бұрын
Even more important is to realize that the flipping is actually a rotation left into a transverse plane 1st (we call it "times i"). And then rotate again ( hence i^2) to reach the final flipped state caused by x -1.
@roysmith3198
@roysmith3198 2 жыл бұрын
Multiplication is repeated addition OR repeated subtraction
@simpleman283
@simpleman283 9 ай бұрын
I do not understand how these people can make a video trying to teach this without saying that. Your comment should have been pinned.
@luckygamer9197
@luckygamer9197 9 ай бұрын
@@simpleman283subtraction is addition
@simpleman283
@simpleman283 9 ай бұрын
@@luckygamer9197 🤣
@itgurukulgroup6654
@itgurukulgroup6654 2 жыл бұрын
great
@ogeidnomar4601
@ogeidnomar4601 2 жыл бұрын
(-1)= flips number to negative (-1)= flips number to positive And the pattern repeats This is an easy way for people to understand negative integers in multiplication and division. Interestingly, integers with addition and subtraction is a bit more challenging.
@bjrnvindabildtrup9337
@bjrnvindabildtrup9337 2 жыл бұрын
10:28 we can see that it HAS to be 1, it is proven to be 1. But how does (-1)x(-1) make +1? What is happening? What does (-1)x(-1) mean?
@roysmith3198
@roysmith3198 2 жыл бұрын
No math teacher knows. They have always told us multiplication is repeated addition. Multiplication is repeated addition OR repeated subtraction. number
@talastra
@talastra 2 жыл бұрын
see my explanation in this thread (that refers only to addition and subtraction)
@talastra
@talastra 2 жыл бұрын
@@roysmith3198 Very likely!. See my explanation in this thread (that refers only to addition and subtraction)
@Exegesis66
@Exegesis66 2 жыл бұрын
This is like my 8th video on the topic, still...don't....get it! Your basically creating an arbitrary rule then applying that rule, "Multiplying by -1 creates a flip around 0." But you didn't arrive at that rule by the same rules that you used to describe the previous equation so how valid is your rule? i.e. So, 3 x 4 = 3 sets of 4 which = 12. And 3 x -4 is 3 sets of -4 which = -12. Great. Makes sense. Ok, well, if 1 x 1 is one set of 1 which = 1....THEN...-1 x -1 = one negative set of -1 which = -1. That's consistent logic across all three equations. But a negative x a negative is NOT trying to be consistent with it's counterparts (like we would expect and what is intuitive) instead YOU (meaning mathematicians) are FORCING it to be consistent with something else, namely, the distributive property. But WHY must it be consistent with the distributive property when it is inconsistent with the previous intuitive rules that were set up???? No one answers this question.
@bjrnvindabildtrup9337
@bjrnvindabildtrup9337 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree.
@alanjamey2777
@alanjamey2777 2 жыл бұрын
No your wrong ,see carefully -1 x 1 means the multiplier positive one means that but -1 x -1 here it is multiplied by -1 times not 1 times ,so you cannot say that one times of -1 equals -1 ,there is no one times here.its times -1.So basically -1 x -1 means if you subtract the 1 which is in negative quantity you get positive.I can't clearly wrap my head around this way but ,the easy way is we defined a general set of rules that goes well within algebraic and real world applications.
@roysmith3198
@roysmith3198 2 жыл бұрын
@@alanjamey2777 Its about understanding multiplication can be repeated subtraction. If you subtract a positive number, have less. If you subtract negative, you now have more because you have less debt. Negative numbers were creates 1500 years ago. It way a way to keep track of people getting products at the store when they had no money. Credit was created with negative numbers. When you subtract debt you are going in the positive direction.
@alanjamey2777
@alanjamey2777 2 жыл бұрын
@@roysmith3198 yeah but this way of understanding doesn't get you to understand it fully ,if you think you understand it fully with this depiction of why - x - =+ you haven't asked enough questions but i understand it now the real answer is we need negative number arithmetics to use in algebra and these negative arithmetics make sense so that's the actual answer.The way i see it simple -1-(-1) is logically 0 ,it's subtracting the values with the same value so it's logically 0 ,so what we are actually doing is adding it so - x - is + and there are so many ways to prove this ,again the real answer is this system is useful in mathematical applications and is relationally correct with other arithmetics
@talastra
@talastra 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Corey. I agree with you. And I tried working something out. My response is above, but I'll re-paste it here (with edits) in case you see it. Rather than thinking of multiplication as repeated addition and subtraction in terms of a number line (as the example above crashes on), let x(y) [x*y] mean something like "put y blocks from your hand onto a table x times," then we see that the operation involves either moving blocks (in your hand) onto the table or (from the table) into your hand. Nothing to do with a number line. So (just to work through all the cases), if we first do 3(4), this moves 3 sets of 4 blocks (from my hand) to the table, giving 12 blocks on the table (as expected). Then given -3(4) or 3(-4), this will involve in some way moving 4 groups of blocks 3 times from the table to my hand, leaving zero blocks on the table (as expected, and thus convincing myself that I have somehow "reversed" what I did with 3(4) to begin with]. However, if there were not already blocks on the table, then after 3(-4) or -3(4), I will have borrowed or stolen or subtracted 12 blocks from the table to my hand, and there will be a "hole" or "deficit" of -12 blocks on the table (as expected). But wait. No one told us that we could "steal" from an empty table in this way, but apparently we can! Also, no one told us that we apparently have a stock of blocks in our hands to be setting down on the table (in groups of 3) in the first place, but apparently we do! Where did these come from? From the fact that moving blocks (that already exist) to and from spaces is a better metaphor for presenting multiplication as repeated addition or subtraction than a number line. So the "real" situation involves blocks moving from the table (to my hand) or from my hand (to the table). As such, if (-3)(-4) will involve some kind of "opposite" movement compared to -3(4) or 3(-4), then that movement is precisely borrowing or stealing or subtracting blocks FROM MY HAND to the table. A s a result, there will then be 12 blocks on the table (and a "hole" of -12 blocks in my hand). So, if -1(1) or 1(-1) means there are -1 objects on the table now (and +1 in my hand), then (-1)(-1) is the opposite of that, so that there is -1 object in my hand, and +1 object on the table. I don't know if this helps. But there you are.
@yourhighness1739
@yourhighness1739 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!! I have been away sick from school and watching your video caught me up in everything I missed today!! You’re the best
@thomasjefferson6225
@thomasjefferson6225 2 жыл бұрын
is this considered a rigorous proof?
@samarthahuja5914
@samarthahuja5914 2 жыл бұрын
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@volfanna
@volfanna 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you very much!
@0_-
@0_- 3 жыл бұрын
Why doesn't this channel have more views or subs? Like I mean, I learned a LOT from this. Thank you so much
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@treena3956 3 жыл бұрын
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@ronaldbaker4316 3 жыл бұрын
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@alokkumar1233
@alokkumar1233 4 жыл бұрын
Very well explained...👍👍 What is the degree of freedom when we only talk about choosing the angles of the triangle?
@treena3956
@treena3956 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that Alok :) If you're only choosing angles, then you can only really choose two of them, because the angle sum of a triangle has to add to a total of 180deg (or pi rad)
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@ROHiT__ 4 жыл бұрын
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@treena3956 4 жыл бұрын
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@MindMathMoney
@MindMathMoney 4 жыл бұрын
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@treena3956
@treena3956 4 жыл бұрын
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