Truly appreciate all the information here I run seismic in my EDC
@jwc0078910 ай бұрын
Very Interesting! Glad it worked!
@leoguy160910 ай бұрын
Bought one on 12/9/23 and had to send it back to CZ USA on the same day for numerous issues. There's no way it should have passed QC or when test fired! CZ did fix it, but it won't be used as my EDC.
@Z4KJ0N3S Жыл бұрын
"Will this armor panel rated to stop a 180gr bullet at 1065 FPS stop a 185gr bullet at <900 FPS???" jesus christ lmao
@armoredman Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the party, pal. It was quick, it wasn't very scientific, and it was fun.
@anth5424 Жыл бұрын
That striker safety spring dislodges, remove firing pin assembly to fix. Its a very light spring.
@armoredman Жыл бұрын
Well, after 6 plus years of this being my every day carry gun, shot a thousand + rounds a year, and I've had no issues.
@jeffclark8098 Жыл бұрын
My edc is p10c, only issue I've had is bullet setback , sent to cz, they polished the feed ramp for me. Not one jam after 1000 rnds.
@D-KingMaker Жыл бұрын
The Glock guys are hurt so they doing it propaganda
@armoredman Жыл бұрын
Ok...the biggest difference is really the grip angle. I qualify Expert or Distinguished Expert every year with the Glock, but I just don't like the way it fits me. The P-10 grip angle is perfect, and the gun just flat out works.
@timothywilliams2021 Жыл бұрын
Speaking of 100% weight retention... Wouldn't hurt to hit the gym once in a while.
@armoredman Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the suggestion, I'll take it under advisement. Well done to keep this current with 3 year old videos!
@bobyjones3905 Жыл бұрын
I can’t think of one pistol that someone hasn’t bashed on KZbin. I own several of guns that someone else seems to have a problem with and I’ve never experienced any of those type failures
@armoredman Жыл бұрын
The so called problem was actually proactively "fixed" by CZ about 5 years ago. I do have to point out, the P-10C I show in the video STILL is my every day carry sidearm. Thank you for watching!
@rogercrawford8372 Жыл бұрын
I’ve had two malfunctions with less than a 100 rounds with my cz p10c. Failed to feed. Using white box ammo.
@armoredman Жыл бұрын
First thing I have to say is I am not a gunsmith nor do I play one on TV. Second thing I'd say is Winchester White Box ammo has a WELL deserved reputation for being junk ammo, BUT, the P-10C should have handled it. I highly recommend calling CZ-USA Monday morning at 1-800-944-4486 and ask the gunsmith. Have you tried any other ammo, was the pistol cleaned and properly oiled prior to use, and didja hold yer mouth right?
@GeneralProspecter Жыл бұрын
But what about the plunger safety being too weak any thoughts on that guys
@armoredman Жыл бұрын
Well, lessee, with 5 P-10s in the last 6 years, I haven't had one fail yet, and the FDE P-10C is still my EDC without issue. So my thoughts are, nope, that's not correct.
@GeneralProspecter Жыл бұрын
@@armoredman also I'd still want one. Beautiful peices they surely are
@GeneralProspecter Жыл бұрын
Same with the sig still would want one even flawed as it is honestly should never be a worry with safe handling
@az_desert_hermit9507 Жыл бұрын
I knew that range as soon as I saw it. Just got my p10f and may go to CG from Maricopa to shoot it.
@armoredman Жыл бұрын
Come on down! It's a LOT more crowded now than it was when I made this video, though.
@gabejenkins7309 Жыл бұрын
These were supposed to be for carbine length barrels why is everyone testing them out of handguns
@armoredman Жыл бұрын
Odd, I don't remember anyone mentioning that little bit of info.
@Jaejits Жыл бұрын
I know that Range!
@vonfields68892 жыл бұрын
You presented a ball of confusion 😕
@rmenard19862 жыл бұрын
I love cz I love glocks I love Smith and wesson I love Taurus, I love all guns except one, hi---- Hi-----p hi----- Ahhh chew hi point
@brucesmith55012 жыл бұрын
A slow hit is better then a fast miss😁
@chaysehiser2 жыл бұрын
Did you guys happen to test this ammo out of a p-01? My p-01 is picky about odd shaped bullets and I've had a few rounds have issues from the short chamber.
@Rusty_ok2 жыл бұрын
I shoot a p10c also set mine up with a optic. Great gun. We ran this drill at 36 yards I hit 10/10 with 4 in the “A” zone in under 12 seconds. Takes a lot of practice.
@JohnB-dr8sk2 жыл бұрын
Good effort guys. I was an expert shooter in the military. For longer range shooting under stress conditions, "ladder up" your shots to account for stress firing where the shots go low due to jerking the trigger/bad grip etc. This will keep more of your shots on center mass even if you are really stressed out. Hope this helps
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the constructive reply. He had only tried drawing from concealment one time prior, so we have training and equipment holes to fill, that's for certain!
@douglasbrinkman59372 жыл бұрын
practice that draw more.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed, we are working on that.
@gobucs31462 жыл бұрын
Took him longer to draw than the entire engagement took with Eli.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
Yep - he has only drawn from concealment once prior to this attempt, so we exposed some huge holes to address. Changes coming in holster and more training from a couple of experts I know.
@bobdole234bd2 жыл бұрын
Solid effort. Keep at it and do as you're doing by evaluating your short comings and working on them.
@vulturia692 жыл бұрын
this good samaritan came and humbled us within the gun community. 8/10 hits at 40 yards under pressure is no joke
@thescbaron2 жыл бұрын
That is a fairly good drill, thanks for sharing.
@fredlampher81542 жыл бұрын
You two have no clue of what you are doing. Actually sad to watch.
@wcstrawberryfields80112 жыл бұрын
You get yer aßß out there in the desert heat.
@fredlampher81542 жыл бұрын
Been there done that! Lived in AZ for 13 years. Your stance, draw stroke and grip need a lot of work just to mention a few. The both of you would be dead in a real life situation. Before worrying about a 40 yard target try fine tuning your training at 7-10 yards. Consider it constructive criticism. Based your current skill set innocent people would have been hit.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
Well, Fred, I hit the damn thing - did you? Prove it? The one time I did have to draw for real, it went just fine. I look forward to your video showing your superior technique, as I am always looking to learn.
@caseysmith88312 жыл бұрын
Great video! Appreciate the honesty! Eli is a stud! Any knowledge of his background?
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
None but what the media released.
@JaysMakerspace2 жыл бұрын
Get a hold of that gun big guy it's shaking you up like your a 10yo
@andrewtanczyk40092 жыл бұрын
Eli Dickens, the man the myth the legend!
@philrc12 жыл бұрын
"The Eli Drill", I hope this drill catches on and the name "Eli" sticks with it.
@caseysmith88312 жыл бұрын
Definitely a dude we should elevate
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
I must add that the idea came from AR15.com, not me.
@CFarnwide2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree! It’s all over KZbin now with most calling it the “Dickens Drill”. I hope it’s not just a one week fad and sticks around for a very long time.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
@@CFarnwide I think I will try to do it about once a month, if I can.
@charlesreeves34262 жыл бұрын
Please, if you are ever in a situation in public keep your gun in the holster .
@wcstrawberryfields80112 жыл бұрын
Go see a doctor about those limp wrists.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the one time I ever had to draw for real the distance was much shorter and everything went just fine. BTW, where is your video showing your superior technique?
@charlesreeves34262 жыл бұрын
@@armoredman We can start with telling your son not to muzzle himself when he is drawing his gun.
@charlesreeves34262 жыл бұрын
@@armoredman Thats a good thing for everyone involved.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
@@charlesreeves3426 that is true and one thing we discussed when we viewed the videos that he was indeed covering his hand with his muzzle when drawing. So, he will be seeing a real high speed/low drag instructor soon.
@charlesreeves34262 жыл бұрын
Yall need to work on a lot more than the draw.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
Please post your video showing your superior technique, always interested in learning.
@charlesreeves34262 жыл бұрын
They did count all hits on the body, but you are not taken into account the situation he was in. Shooting a static target on a flat range is not comparable.
@blantant2 жыл бұрын
Yep, the drill needs to be done in a crowded Mall
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
No kidding, I would never have thunk it. This is called the Eli Drill, not the lets go out and shoot up a food court so we can get the whole experience. Also, I did not come up with this Drill, it was invented on AR15.com, and I was merely showing us trying to do it so the keyboard commandos can boast of how much better they are. ;) It would probably be better done on a two way range with Simunitions, but I just can't afford that this year, maybe next.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Chuck, where's your video? I need to see your superior technique so I can learn from it.
@CanikFan2 жыл бұрын
The one thing I could see on your son’s shooting that he definitely needs to fix was his grip. I couldn’t tell so much on yours as the camera angle was behind you, but your recoil control looked far better. Grip is the most important basic for shooting, because without a solid grip your rounds won’t be consistent and it takes longer to get your sights back on target. I noticed his right hand was coming off the grip each time he fired because he didn’t have it held properly, which also led to how much the gun was flipping up. Have him get the dominant hand as high & tight on the beaver tail & his non dominant hand under it to where his thumbs are on top of each other with the thumb on the non dominate hand should be just below the slide and down far enough that it should reach out to about the middle of the trigger guard. Master the grip and the trigger pull & those groupings will start getting tighter! But remember, grip is the master, sights set the pace, and the trigger is the servant! Keep up the good work of practicing and hammer home those basics before worrying about the distance at which you shoot. I look forward to seeing more of your videos to see the improvements made!
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
My son definitely needs work, and I am getting with a buddy of mine who is a Dept instructor and can help out.
@CanikFan2 жыл бұрын
@@armoredman we can all improve each & every time we go out & practice. One thing about shooting is it’s very easy for skills to get rusty quickly if you’re not putting in frequency on the range. But it’s awesome to see a father teaching his son! My daughter is only 5 so I have a few more years before I’ll actually take her out to start learning, but I do let her help me clean my guns (after they are broken down) after I get home from the range. It allows me to teach her about firearm safety & that guns aren’t toys. I find it better to be open & teach her at an early age because it takes the curiosity away & instills the importance of why she’s never to touch them unless it’s with me around. Parents that own guns & don’t teach their kids leave themselves vulnerable to if they accidentally find one in the house or at a friends house. Because in their minds they think they are toys & don’t under stand the danger of them. Keep up they great father son lessons & training!
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
@@CanikFan thank you for your positive comments, and can I interest you in a great program I am actually part of - the 4H Shooting Sports? Children 8 to 17 are welcome, and there is probably a 4H shooting club in your area, pistol, rifle, archery, shotgun or even muzzle loader. Also a great book I used with that string bean I fathered is Massad Ayoob's excellent book, www.amazon.com/Gun-Proof-Children-Massad-Ayoobs-Handgun/dp/0936279052
@retiredwisdom42812 жыл бұрын
From what I understand is that Eli started at 40 yards, pushed a few people off to the side and told them to get down and retreat. From there he advanced roughly 10 yards and began shooting. All that was done in 15 seconds. So, the actual shooting distance was 30 yards.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
Evan Marshal stated it was 43 yards and then closing. As this was an open range, (anyone could have showed up next to us at any time), we kept it static, not dynamic.
@eracer11112 жыл бұрын
My understanding is the Eli braced on a post. Maybe the drill should include that?
@andrewtanczyk40092 жыл бұрын
No way . What for?
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewtanczyk4009 Yes and no - the Drill that has swept through the gun world started off without the brace, plus...any damn thing I leaned against out there would have been hot enough to burn.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
It turns out my son's holster is REALLY tight, which we never really knew because he never drew under pressure. Now to find a new rig. On the other hand when he did take his time, he still hit 9 out of 10 at 40 yards with a SUBcompact pistol.
@andrewtanczyk40092 жыл бұрын
What kind of holster? Kydex?
@andrewtanczyk40092 жыл бұрын
Stealth gear is a good hybrid holster
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewtanczyk4009 yes, the only one we could find at that time, the Muddy River tactical OWB, had no tensioning screw. Looking for an alternative.
@jwc007892 жыл бұрын
Congratulations to your son on his refurbished Black Powder Rifle and Good Shooting!
@jaycarr5902 жыл бұрын
Hmmm...never happened to me . Good to know just Incase. Thanks.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
This was "fixed" practively by CZ many years ago, even though the actual "issue" was manufactured. .
@robpelick74602 жыл бұрын
Great to see my old favorite 9BPLE in action once again. Gone but not forgotten....
@jwc007892 жыл бұрын
Interesting Test! Love the Heavy Metal tune!
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
Great movie! Thanks for the watch!
@JazzLowrider2 жыл бұрын
The P10-C has been tested, tortured and used probably more than any other since it came out in 2017, i have mine for 3 years its my duty gun, i also practice with it at the range, i shot over 20k, I've never had a single malfunction.
@Osprey1994 Жыл бұрын
Duty gun and only 2k over 3 years? Yikes.
@cluckbent6466 Жыл бұрын
2000 rounds? Let me know at 50,000.
@devin1442 Жыл бұрын
@@Osprey1994He corrected himself, he meant 20k lol
@Mike-gi1dk2 жыл бұрын
With this video being 4 years old I'm sure you've improved your grip since then.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
I keep hitting what I aim at, so I guess I'm doing just fine. I seem to be a better shot than a lot of people, so I don't worry to much, keep scoring Expert or Distinguished Expert in my organization. ;)I will say I have been shooting with a coach and extremely experienced instructor while training to be a 4H coach, so perhaps some of it has rubbed off on me.
@Mike-gi1dk2 жыл бұрын
@@armoredman i meant no disrespect btw. Just saw some things I would personally change. But what works best for one doesn't always work best for the next gut so hellyeah man keep doing you and putting out good content. Happy shooting.
@TheUglyAmerican0072 жыл бұрын
I just bought mine last weekend and it did jam up already. Hard jam. Had to hold slide in left hand and slam the frame with my right.
@armoredman2 жыл бұрын
What ammo? How many rounds fired? Did it do it more than once?
@TheUglyAmerican0072 жыл бұрын
@@armoredman mag tech 115gr. Only did it once and I have just @ 250 rounds through it so far. That day I had shot about 2 or 3 mags worth when it happened. Had not cleaned or oil anything, out the box condition.
@TheMidnightMaroon3 жыл бұрын
Do you prefer this to the 10C? Did you replace this as your EDC? Also what's the difference between this and the 10C? I've been doing a lot of research, and I'm I've been leaning towards the 10C. But I don't know much about guns.
@armoredman3 жыл бұрын
The S model became a part of my carry, in that if I have to use a smaller gun I can carry it and feel perfectly comfortable with it. I prefer the larger C for the few extra rounds and better grip, but I have been know to put on the High Noon SLide Guard rig for the S and walk out the door. My son liked it so much that he know has an olive drab version of his very own. The differences are all in size. The S carries 12 rounds to the C 15, the barrel is shorter, the frame is shorter. Even so I can shoot this baby just like her bigger brother. The questions start, for you, will you carry concealed or openly, and have you looked at what type of holster you want? I recommend High Noon in Florida.
@TheMidnightMaroon3 жыл бұрын
@@armoredman I want to carry concealed. I have completely fallen in love with the C. Great gun. Even though the S is smaller, would I still be able to completely conceal the C without there being a print? Thanks for the reply.
@armoredman3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMidnightMaroon Of course but you have to dress around the gun. I carry in a High Noon Stingray OWB rig, but I wear oversize baggy t-shirts with designs to break up the outline. I'm old - I don't care what I look like. :) Also, in Arizona if my concealed carry pistol becomes visible, it's no big deal, still perfectly legal. Find a holster you like and then get the KEY ingredient - a solid GUN BELT. High Noon makes the Rock Steady, wearing one right now. As for carrying a larger gun - I carried a full sized CZ SP-10 Phantom concealed for several years with a High Noon Down Under IWB rig. Note the trend...:) Find what works for you but remember the holster and belt have to work together, and you will have to modify your dress AND habits to work around it - u.e., not bending over at the waist to pick up that dropped thing, squat down and tell people you have an old back injury. ;)
@TheMidnightMaroon3 жыл бұрын
@@armoredman Ahh ok, that will be my biggest aspect to adjust, my attire. I'm in Texas, so the laws are awesome here. Perhaps the 10S is a better option then. Awesome info man.
@armoredman3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMidnightMaroon It's not hopeless yet - check out the IWB rig Down Under from High Noon - I carried a CZ SP-01 Phantom concealed during AZ summers without issue.
@v.german11b3 жыл бұрын
Outssstanding! Glock fan-boys cannot accept the fact that CZ pistols have all the parts Glock lacks of from the factory, and Glock owners have to add up in parts, resulting in a more expensive pistol. The fact is, CZ handguns excel! Albeit Glock fans refuse to believe it. I own the P10-F and P10-C suppressor-ready; unblemished, nothing but praises from my personal experience.
@leonbarry45663 жыл бұрын
Outside of the factory, we’ve also employed the services of an NIJ-certified independent third party to perform testing to the P-10 platform in accordance with NIJ-STD-0112.03, Autoloading Pistols. During this outside testing, P-10s of various configurations/models were subjected to extremes of temperature and environment like sand, salt water immersion and more. Another aspect was extensive rough handling and drop tests. In those tests the P-10 performed as we knew it would - experiencing no failures. The main safety systems, as you’ve mentioned in your write-up, are the trigger safety and the drop safety. Both of these mechanical safeties work to prevent the P-10 from firing without the trigger being pulled. The safety in question is a third safety, known as the ‘automatic safety.’ For the automatic safety to ever need to be employed, either the firing pin, the sear surface of the trigger bar, the trigger bar spring pin or the frame itself would have to fail. In the incredibly rare instance of one of these items failing, the role of the automatic safety is to reduce the chance of the firing pin igniting a chambered round, adding a third layer to the robust safety system within the P-10. There are many factors present in the 'testing' in question that are not able to be present in the P-10 during use in its assembled form. First and foremost, the firing pin travel exhibited in videos of these ‘tests’ is far greater than the maximum firing pin travel reached during the normal cocking/firing sequence (to the tune of 1.5x, resulting in a corresponding increase in inertia within the firing pin). Realistically and in the worst case scenario, were a failure to happen the firing pin would be falling from its pre-cocked position with far less force, allowing the automatic safety to retard its forward travel. When in the pre-cocked position, the firing pin still has 3.5mm to travel before achieving its full travel and being released by the trigger bar. A major factor in all of this is that the designers of the P-10 intended this tertiary safety to function once and as a last resort were a parts failure to have occurred, envisioning it much like an airbag in a car. During normal use of the firearm, the automatic safety never impacts the corresponding shoulder on the firing pin. As such, when called upon those two engagement surfaces are able to make positive contact, hampering the firing pin's forward progress. Subjecting the system to non-standard testing such as this will in no question create undue wear to those engagement surfaces, and the more times the test is repeated, the less chance the automatic safety will be able to perform its function in the rare instance it were needed. Fully withdrawing the firing pin to that overdrawn position will exacerbate this greatly. Like in other instances where faulty information on the internet has led folks to perform ill-advised 'testing' that ends up damaging guns
@armoredman3 жыл бұрын
Please note this video was done in 2017 and in response to a video "test" where he said it would cause an issue. Also, you said, "The main safety systems, as you’ve mentioned in your write-up, are the trigger safety and the drop safety. Both of these mechanical safeties work to prevent the P-10 from firing without the trigger being pulled." I never once mentioned either one of these safeties. Please have the common courtesy of WATCHING the video before thinking that ME, of all people, would be attacking CZ. I've been running czfirearms.us, the Original CZ Forum for well over ten YEARS now.
@leonbarry45663 жыл бұрын
Just info,for those saying cz not safe ,i am a fan myself,cz p 10 sub
@leonbarry45663 жыл бұрын
Just some inside info if someone ever reads up on it,not attacking anyone
@FirearmEnthusiast3 жыл бұрын
Should've had a second block to see just how deep the round would've kept going. 16"-18" is the gold standard. Thank you for the test regardless.
@armoredman3 жыл бұрын
I fully agree. We won't be repeating this test any time soon, but you are absolutely right
@MutsuKazuma3 жыл бұрын
what the fuck are people doing with their guns, who shoots with a slide halfway back like that ever
@armoredman3 жыл бұрын
You probably missed the thing that got this started way back in 2017, when a guy claimed the CZ P-10C had a fatal flaw in that the slide would hang up on the striker when it rotated in it's channel. It was utter BS and I proved here that even if it had happened, it was an easily correctable thing. The other thing is not long after I made this video, the company changed the design slightly to stop the striker from rotating at all. So a non issue became an even more non issue.
@MutsuKazuma3 жыл бұрын
@@armoredman it wasn't against your video, more like what kinda shit people did to try and prove that the cz was "unreliable"
@armoredman3 жыл бұрын
@@MutsuKazuma Ah, no worries amigo, all good.
@antoniogarcia11183 жыл бұрын
Just got this ammo and just happens that it’s going in a Beretta too. I wanted to know if it was safe and came across your video. Learned what I wanted to learn! Blessings and safe shooting.