@@muhammadshakir222 It may be possible you hid the column from the camera.

I don't know of anyone else making content on curvilinear perspective. 4 Point is nice and all. But you can't really look up or down at the scene. There's a particular cartigraphical projection that allows you to draw a full 360° in one sphere, but... I've found that the geometry becomes super distorted towards the edges, and thus becomes less useful. So the perspective grids that I teach on my channel really are the most versatile with the least bit of wonky distortions.

I would go to github.com and inquire about it on the forums. I haven't been keeping up with the development of opentoonz

It's used in animation, when you need the camera to go from looking up at something, and then look down at the scene. It can be used in comic books as well, so that you don't just pan the camera, but turn your head. So you're able to show a character walking, what's behind him, and even where he's going, all in one image. So, maybe you might have a story about a nearvous kid walking home from school, you see behind him are bullies making fun of him, and you're able to see in front of him, where his best friend is approaching and telling off the bullies. You're able to describe all this information in one image rather than 2 or three panels (if we're still talking about a comic book) It depends on what story you're trying to tell with it. A 360° viewing angle with a character at the scenter cn be used to make a character feel small, or it can be a dynamic establishing shot. There's also the fact that there's plenty of images that don't have story telling at all, but are just a picture of a city scape. There's plenty of artists, these days, that use curvilinear perspective. Kim Jung Gee would be the modern day master that does it. He primarily uses a 5 point perspective gid though. And most people don't even nottice that's what they are looking at. With Linear perspective, you're only permitted a rather smalls viewing angle. If you draw outside of that viewing angle, it in itself has it's own distortion, and I'd say it's harder to combat. So, when I DO use linear perspective, and I detect I'm running into it's own distortion I just curve the lines a touch and the problem is solved without using hyper technical advanced linear perspective rules. When drawing from life, you are able to turn your head with curvilinear perspective, but you have to be rigidly still if you're using linear perspectives, which can stress the neck. You don't need to use the full 180° or 360° grid. Just enough to communicate the full environment that you want to communicate. If you don't use the full grid, then your image looks like it was taken with a wide angled lense. I'd say that the curved lines, when done in freehand especially, can be more expressive than linear perspective. I don't really think of it as distortion as much as I think of it as turning your head. I think the effect is rather awesome. You're able to freehand the perspective easier than constantly neejing to work with a ruler. Why would you draw anything really? When are you going to use anything? It seems to me that point of view on this is a touch too narrow. It all depends on how much of the scene you're wanting or needing to communicate. Do a youtube search for "fisheye perspectivee Orphanlast". I made a different kind of presentationfor curvilinear perspective that can get you to understand what you're using with this kind of grid.

I show an image at the beginning of the video. Suppose there was a man laying on the couch passed out asleep while someone under his feet has a gaming controller, playing video games on the TV, children sitting on the floor playing board games, next to the fire. Childen running into the hallway. while in the kitchen the wife and her friends are cooking and interacting with each other. That's a great deal of of information being communicated in one image. That would be a still shot momment of a whole family's life. Ever see those "Where's Waldo" books? Those were illustrated with isometric prespecive. There were tons of stories being told all at once in the pictures withing those books. Comparatively you COULD have something like that with Curvilinear perspective, and it'd be a hell of a lot more dynamic.

@@Orphanlast thanks, that's a lot of explanation! I'm not a big fan of comic books, but I think I saw some illustrations done like this... Thinking of it as a way to get larger picture space makes sense. Only problem is our brain is not used to these curves. Even though our eyesight is quite wide angle (compared to 35mm film lenses), but our brain correct optical distortions, so we don't see world like that. But it's a cool effect and just something fun to try in Krita :)

It has been years since I last used Krita, but I'll see what I can do. Can you be a bit more descriptive of what you're encountering?

KTF

Oh, yeah, there's a brush that behaves like an eraser fill. Just play around with all the brushes. You'll find it

The assistance tool is a bit buggy. It started conflicting with various parts of opentoonz, and the developer refused to clean it up. So some developers have made a version of Opentoonz that stopped the features that the assistance tool conflicted with. It's unfortunately been years since I've used Opentoonz at this point, or even sat at a computer, even. I can't recall what that special distribution of olentoonz is called anymore, unfortunately. In the video description, I have a link to my discord. I'm sure my audience there will be able to answer your question more fully.

@@Orphanlast Thanks a lot. I'm really grateful to you.

I don't know what you mean. What are you asking?

After Effects is paid software, vs Blender being free. Blender also being more versatile, in being a modeling, 3D and 2D illustration and modeling software. It's even got a video editor in it. Some people find the other convieniences of Blender worth learning 2D animation in Blender. All the 2D and 3D in one software. And you can animate a bouncing ball easily with frame by frame animation as well. It doesn't get more simple than that. And I believe I mentioned that in this video. But... yeah... some people might want to know some versatility with the software... so I taught it.

@@Orphanlast i got after effects for free btw

@@kirlyuu Sounds a bit like piracy, seeing as it's not free software. Even getting the CS5 versions, before it all became an online rental service is still fairly expensive. Not everyone is in a situation to luck out and get a copy of a free After Effects. And not everyone wants to... run the risk of breaking the law and talk to... have a conversation with law enforcement. So... this video's for... I guess the 90% of people that don't win that lottery and don't pirate, I guess.

@@Orphanlast i looked up a yt vid for free download crack, and i’ve had it for 3-4 years with no virus on my pc and no law enforcement involved😂

That is still technically illegal. And not everyone's cup of tea. As I said, with Blender, you're able to work witt 2D and 3D, so it has some clear advantages going for it. It's not just animation software for 2D or 3D either. It's a full modeling and general production studio in terms of software. So animate stuff, most people and companies need 5 or 6 programs. But with Blender, you just need the one. It's nice you went the route that you did. Not everyone's going to take that route. My channel is also centered on free and inexpensive software made that are extremely formidable. After Effects isn't free, though you went for a piracy option. It's also not cheep, even with the yearly rental prices.

Yeah. Same with my ipad even

Like, is it able to take lines on a set of raster images, possibly hundreds of pages, and convert them into the mathematical grease pencil mathematics (that are kinda like 3D vectors). If there is, I haven't heard of one. But, if you have money, or are willing to advertise a donation plate for a Computer Programmer to code up a mod that can do that.

Depends. Like you can just ctrl+a and add a reference or various other types of flat objects into the scene that can and can't be visible to the camera. It all depends on what you need.

Ah. :) Well, I'm still around, to some degree. Not really making videos anymore. But yeah, I'm willing to still critique artwork, interact with my audience. Stuff like that. I answer questions still and if people reach out on Discord, I still respond

On this one, I was using Affinity Designer

thanks

They can be. I typically just stuck to the one. I didn't want to confuse people

@@Orphanlast Also. Do you know how to delete rooms?

Affinity photo works too. Umm... feel free to deviate from this tutorial. I recall... I made a small mistake that was made... and I corrected it... but... the mistake accidentally got cut out in the editing process. My videos are usually on point... even this one... it's just that one mistake... so your image might come out a bit different... I think the mistake was me putting the wrong shit in the wrong collection, and that was it. So if your image comes out wrong, just manage your layer's panel a touch differently than the video. :)

Oh, I know it's all math based, lineal geometry, and for curvilinear perspective it's mixing that lineal geometry with cartographic projections. (If you're a math teacher, then you'll get better at perspective than I ever will). I just don't use math laden terminology in my videos. I figured, that would make them more accessible. Even WITH the jargon being accessable, I still have some people saying I'm going way over their head... and I just feel like I've done as much reductionism that I can. By reductionism, what I mean is taking something extremely complex, and then reducing it down to it's least number of steps or components, to render the same or similar result. That's the approach I took at teaching perspective. Yet at the same time, those same people that complain about there being too many steps wind up complaining about why my content didn't cover something SUPER obscure, or why I'm not going EVEN MORE into depth with it. I'm not saying you're one of the "never happy" critics, but... yeah... I guess I'm trying to justify the process I took. And I guess I don't have to. You would love my "fisheye perspective" video, as well as my Curvilinear Perspective playlist. (Teaches you how to draw panoramic images which look awesome and are good for animation). I figured you'd appreciate those videos. In some of the "Teach Me To Draw" playlist (if I were you, feel free to skip around) there's some videos where I'm describing the logic behind every line I draw on the page. It's sad that after all that reductionism, some people see my sketch... and they still don't know how I come to the final drawing... Bizarre...

:) thanks man. I appreciate that.

Yeah, I've really talked up Krita in the past. And I still really love that free piece of software. Especially that Assistant tool. But... I found it a bit hardware intensive. So getting a quick succession of lines bothered me. Working with speed seemed like something Krita struggles at, unless I had the best damn computer in the world. The only things I miss out of Krita is the Assistant tool and the Brush engines. Those things are super powerful. I've moved on to some economic software, like Affinity Photo, Affinity Photo, Clip Studio Paint. The Affinity products are only $50 each. They don't have anything like the Assistant tool. But Clip Studio Paint does... (kinda...) which is also within the $50 range. (No subscriptions). You can save on all of them in .psd format and transition from one software to the next with the same file, to have the workflows you want for each task.

Good to hear!

You'll spend tons of time getting your line work done, and go about using the fill tool, and it'll fill in all the wrong areas... the AI for it kinda sucks

Gave me one, at the time, too.

Probably. I'm more of an illustrator than an animator. I dabbled with animation. Haven't done it professionally. But I funded some development on Opentoonz. So... yeah. You're probably right.

Well... this video describes a small snippet. In my personal life, I suffered a major tragedy... had to deal with some stalker trolls... there's barely any pay, and trolls want to crack the whip... telling to work harder. No critique, just "you suck" and "you're wrong about everything". Wound up having a major mental breakdown. Been going through recovery. I've been picking up commissions. But it's mainly just a hobby, after work. I've basically been stonewalled, where I live. Finding any kind of business relationship to jump start Orphanlast... it's not gonna happen. I have other aspirations that I'm chasing after. We have a limited amount of time, in life, and I've recently found a humble but comfortable life... something I never had through the 5 years working on my channel... horrible... horrible miserable life. Now that things are better... I'm spending my days recording audio about my philosophy on life. How I study life in general... I suppose the memoir will possibly be available to the public at some point. But... yeah... it'd have to be published after I'm dead. Lots of personal information. Lots of pain in it. Lots of recovery... things I don't want to actually have a conversation about.

I rarely use the stuff in this video. Basically, you just need to understand that you're drawing with a hypothetical surface called "The picture plane" (a flat surface.) Which is easy to understand, because the page you draw on is flat. You CAN draw with a picture Bowl or Cylinder to draw panoramic images. Artists repurposed cartographic projections (used to distort a spherical geography onto a flat map) to draw panoramic images. This video is better at showing the important stuff. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnStn3mca66fmq8 It's also much more encouraging. If something goes over your head, log it in your brain and try to proceed. Basically, some artists want their images to be PERFECTLY measured out. I'm not one of them. I just want a convincing illusion. I DO tons of measurements, but I don't try to find a perfect cube or anything like that.

@@Orphanlast you mean my paper is a picture plane? Because its flat.

@@riccia888 No. I'm saying that you CAN draw the whole sphere of the atmosphere around you. You can draw a full 360° up, down, left, right. When drawing curvilinear perspective, you have a picture sphere, or a picture half sphere, or a picture cylinder. I find the picture plane to be troublesome. Perspective with straight lines... isn't expressive, doesn't communicate camera movement... just a panning action. And if you are shitty with vanishing point placement, basically... the picture plane... it only works up to a 60° angle... beyond that... the math breaks down... and it won't make sense what the problem is on the page, but what happens is, you start drawing forced perspective on the picture plane. Hard to describe beyond that. I prefer curvilinear.

@@Orphanlast what is the use of this method?? where we use it?? when we are sketching something in front of our eye objects instead of reference, and if we skip this method is there any issue??

@@Amritanshusantoshi-hc3sp well... you're going to pecieve your picture as a picture plane. It's not really there. It's like... mathematical 3D space... and you only have to navigate it with straight lines and where they strategically colide. Those collisions make measurements. And you need to picture the picture plane as a flat surface. With linear perspective, if you exceed past your your picture frame... you'll wind up fucking the image up. It's a flat surfage... like drawing on a wall. You're only allowed a "camera" that's up to 60° and if you exceed past that, then you run the risk of foreshortening stretching the image about. And you can only see this flat surface from THAT geo location. That spot, right there. Some people lean into those distortions... I've learned to kind of avoid them. I shoot for a different stylization. Which has a different style of distortion. Instead of picturing a picture plane, picture a cartographic projection for a picture bowl, sphere, or cylinder. I don't have to worry about any angled lense effect and it's limitations. No... I can draw 360° of viewing angle. I could even do something trippy, which would break reality... and just keep making a never seemingly ending cylinder to rotate 10,000°. Which is impossible for reality. It makes no sense. A circle is only 360°, 3.14. Going above that makes no sense. But I could do it on paper.

Yeah. If you like Star Wors, BSG, Star Trek, Blade Runner, and multiple other science fiction universes, this will be perfect for you.

Thanks

You'll get there. Join my discord server, if you want critiques on your work. I have a good group. And I DO make a point to critique people's work. Even now.... I recently had a trauma happen... and I've taken a rather long break. Yeah. Also think of typing in "Jim Lee Pencils" or "Greg Capullo pencils" or any artist+pencils into google images. Download their image, and INK IT, on the computer. It's way fun. It's like tracing, but you're finishing a master's work. Inking IS a highly sought after skill. Just make sure to credit it *inks only* with your name. You'll learn a shit ton. What will help you the most is drawing the same thing from multiple angles. Eventually your brain will realize... it's not about drawing lines. It's about it's 3D shape and form. There will still be a battle between making a 3rd object while working on a 2D surface. Your brain will still combat those two ways of thinking 2D vs 3D thinking. But eventually, your 3D thinking skills will improve.

@@Orphanlast I might take you up on that offer since there is a drawing I've been wanting to recieve some criticism for, but I EDIT: my bad, accidentally clicked the button. Anyway, I don't have discord and have little knowledge of it. I assume I just create an account, but where do I go from there? I've looked at some of the pencil arts by these people just now, and can honestly say they're pretty wicked. This "inking", I imagine is basically shading, right? So is it to get a sense of lighting in drawings and such? Anyway, I hope things look up for you down the road and wish you a bright day.

@@huuamai8151 Discord. You download it on PC or Mobile. You set up an account. Verify your email and all the other stupid demands it has, and then you'd just click on the link in my more recent videos' video description leading to my Discord. And you'll find yourself in my server. So... Inking. Comic book artists used to have shitty scanners. So, they couldn't submit art done with pencils and call it good. They'd have to make all their line work 100% black. So the artist would hire an inker, to do the finishing touches to their pencils. Some pencilers are tight with their images, while others are loose, because they might really like their inker. With the loose images, as an inker, you're basically finishing a professional's work. I've been picking up inking work recently. I'm actually REALLY bitchin at it. This tradition of inking, by and large, continues even still today. But the tradition didn't start with comics. It started in things like news papers, before we had cameras. Basically, an illustrator would draw pictures for the news paper. No, it's not about shading. It's about learning how to make PERFECT line work. While inking comic book work, you'll get a feel for human anatomy. An idea as to how the body looks, depending on the pose. And a good idea as to how much or little the pros render. Some details are somewhat glossed over by the pros. And they go impressionistic with the pointless details... because if they focused on every pointless detail, they'd never meet their deadline. Also, you'll learn how to crosshatch. Which is "shading" when you only have 100% black to work with. I really like cross hatching. I don't like messing with gradients too much. Most of the time I mess with gradients... I might accidentally erase a tiny touch of it, by accident, or on purpose, given what I'm trying to do... then realize... shit... I just messed with my gradient... I need to delete it (hopefully that's possible) and make it again. So... yeah... I'm careful with shading/gradients

@@Orphanlast yeah, I managed to do it. I looked at some of your drawings, too. Very nice. I think I see what you mean by "learning the anatomy". Many works, especially dc comics, it seems, have very unique physical appearances and being able to bring out the right depth to each character in regards to the lighting and their huge muscles takes skill of its own. I especially liked your ink work on the batman ones- the Batman/Catwoman one especially.

@@huuamai8151 :) thanks man.

Yeah man. I have a shit load more perspective content. You'll like it. :)

Right on man. Yeah. You'll like my videos. Be sure to check out the "Teach Me To Draw" playlist and the "Curvilinear Perspective" playlist

Thanks!