All the live recordings have a palpable zest and this excitement that the '64 recording (that I cherish) lack.
@maxcornise-qh2jk10 ай бұрын
Her final Norma was in 1994!!!! NO ONE HAS EVER SUNG THAT ROLE FOR 31 YEARS, GOD IN HEAVEN!!❤❤❤❤❤❤
@williammaddox33396 ай бұрын
Not hardly She retired at the end of 1990.
@maxcornise-qh2jk6 ай бұрын
@@williammaddox3339 last Norma was 1994 sorry!
@williammaddox33396 ай бұрын
@@maxcornise-qh2jk She last sang in public on 12/31/90 in Die Fledermaus London ROH.
@raffaeleviggiano490110 ай бұрын
Wonderfol❤
@nwdixieboy Жыл бұрын
Her Eb's and E's could be great but D6 was her note. The higher notes became less outstanding as she aged but the D's got bigger and more beautiful. Her high D's in Anna Bolena at around 60 were not to be believed. Sutherland's voice, always big, got bigger as she aged. I think her best note overall was a D in Maria Stuarda in a Concert for Darwin at age 45. It was simply massive with many lower overtones mixed in. People who saw her live said there were many more overtones in her voice that recordings were never able to pick up. Sutherland said that her voice switched at B5 from being forward to shooting right out of the roof of her roof of her mouth into the back of her heard. You can hear how they sound different.
@gadenkrotis5407 ай бұрын
Yes, I agree with you about her Maria Stuarda high note from the Darwin concert. Perfection!
@ahogbin2644 Жыл бұрын
Certainly the top D was one of her best notes. I particularly remember their gleaming quality in Lucia di Lammermoor in her final London performances 1985.
@julesr677 Жыл бұрын
How wonderful Joan was, can anyone tell me what Franco Corelli thought of her, I would love to know.
@jondavwal13 Жыл бұрын
I heard Sutherland sing many times, starting when I was 7 years old, the last when I was 24 (in 1987). I saw her many times through the 70s. While I missed her science fiction period in the 60s (and the recordings tell as much of the tale as they can as most who heard her then say that you just don't know what it was like to hear her live then from the recordings) in the 70s what was notable was that the voice was not just large, it was everywhere. It was sitting on your shoulder. It sounded like it came out of her mouth, her ears, and the back of her head. I think Anna Netrebko summed it up best when it came to Sutherland's Norma: "I was recently in the Met store, I came in there, and somebody was singing Norma just perfect! I cannot say any bad word about this singing. I said, who is this? Joan Sutherland.” . . . . "I don’t know how she’s singing. It’s just like flute playing. Perfect sound, beautiful, everything is free. I think this is a voice, one in a century like that.”
@baritonebynight Жыл бұрын
Anna Netrebko is probably my least favorite singer. I would prefer to hear singers who actually sang with Sutherland talk about her....Ms. Horne for example.
@jimbuxton2187 Жыл бұрын
....lol...."her science fiction period " !!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣... you made my day!
@artdanks4846 Жыл бұрын
@@baritonebynight 100% agree with everything you said!
@jondavwal136 ай бұрын
@@baritonebynightI used to hang out with “Marilyn” Horne and her daughter in the 80s. We used to play trivial pursuit. She had nothing but amazing things to say as well but as awful as Netrebko is, at least she can acknowledge greatness.
@jondavwal13 Жыл бұрын
My favorite is Buenos Aires when Cossotto tries to compete on the last note. It's comedy. Sorry dear, nobody can hear you.
@eloyguevara94472 жыл бұрын
ese dominio de la fuerza vocal..es indescriptiblemente alucinante.............................hoy dia......en el 2022..........no existe semejante poder..........................aunque tengamos mas milones de habitantes.....................este poder........no ha podido ser igualado.........................en algun sentido.................esta mujer...............era de otro mundo.......................
@eloyguevara94472 жыл бұрын
un volcan sonoro.........................
@vanmusician2 жыл бұрын
Vancouver Opera kept that brick red cloak from her first Norma production ( I was in the audience opening night) and years later I got to put it on. It didn't give me a high D! :)
@wjanevansandbergen34632 жыл бұрын
Misschien klein detail dat ik er nooit iets over hoor of lees maar waarom kan zij niet voor de hoge D zoals 2a3 andere sopranen en zoals t staat geschreven en slaat zij dat over , te moeilijk?
@maxcornise72042 жыл бұрын
She was astonishing. Just great singing and humility!
@Knappa222 жыл бұрын
Love how Pavarotti is turning the pages as if he can read music!
@marcallen45322 жыл бұрын
People can follow a score even if they cannot read it.
@ThomasDawkins882 жыл бұрын
@Knappa22 Pavarotti was usually okay with music, but he often had trouble remembering text, so he was probably reading that.
@jondavwal136 ай бұрын
@@ThomasDawkins88 Pavarotti could not read music. It is a huge bone of contention between him and Bonynge at the end. But no, he could not read a note of music.
@DCFunBud2 жыл бұрын
She was the perfect voice for the nuclear age.
@burtcollins2392 жыл бұрын
She sings for the Angels now.
@johnpickford4222 Жыл бұрын
@burtcollins239: C’mon, please tell us something we don’t know!
@eloyguevara94472 жыл бұрын
LO APLASTA TODO.............................
@eloyguevara94472 жыл бұрын
ME ENCANTA ESTA LOCURA CANTANDO.......................ES DEMENCIAL...................ABSOLUTAMENTE.........................INCREIBLE.................
@PABLOGARCIA-gb5ih4 жыл бұрын
Quien es la Mezzo del 69 En Buenos Aires?? Cossotto???
@andyberistain67433 жыл бұрын
Fiorenza Cossotto.
@alexanderzaphir7214 жыл бұрын
Cossotto was a voice.Not an artist. Observe how indifferrent & unmusical she is in Samson et Dalila with G.Chauvet. They are both vocally perfect ,but so boring ,because of their lack of expression & phrasing(what she's doing here is totally ridiculous)
@jiwanhawk2 жыл бұрын
And a HUUUUGE voice!
@wotan109504 жыл бұрын
It's incredible that Sutherland blows away the great Pavarotti and Horne at 7:32! I saw them all many times, but never at the same time, and only Suth/Pav once in Trovatore.
@dedejohnson49502 жыл бұрын
pavarotti almost never had a chance in front of her, you need a decent spinto to compete against sutherland.
@baritonebynight Жыл бұрын
Its interesting to hear Ms. Horne describe singing with Dame Joan. "It was never about trying to out do each other...it was about making incredible music that other people can't sing.
@bellini7verdi4 жыл бұрын
LA PROFUNDIDAD DE SUS AGUAS ES MAYOR QUE SU ALCANCE VOCAL..........................CANTANDO...........
@mikecoon51094 жыл бұрын
Why does she never sing the high D at the climax with the chorus? Little disappointed
@brunoantony32183 жыл бұрын
Silliest and most unmusical comment here.
@scottjohnson48503 жыл бұрын
@@brunoantony3218 I would say just the opposite, that her high Ds seem added in with no purpose. The only point of it is to show off at the climactic moment. But in the end it’s not even necessary anyway.
@-giakhanh--kayden-83373 жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed her D6s were HUGEEE, and i mean HUGE. But their position in the score make no musical sense. Still thrilling nevertheless
@baritonebynight3 жыл бұрын
Well....when you are hired to sing the title role of Norma you can do it the way you want to.
@marcallen45322 жыл бұрын
@@scottjohnson4850 Sutherland encouraged Caballe to sing "Norma," Montserrat replied, :but I don't have the high notes! Joan replied, "You don't need them, they're not in the score!"
@spyridonroumeliotis78315 жыл бұрын
High Ds in Norma...?
@anthonyhenrysmith5 жыл бұрын
testament to all the "nay-sayers" that Sutherland was brilliant
@tencontento91775 жыл бұрын
I was in the chorus in San Francisco for both the 72 and 82 performances. That D was absolutely HUGE. ON stage with all the others it was hard to hear, but one night I skipped out into the house (in the highest balcony) and it was absolutely mind boggling how huge and magnificent that note was. The audience went absolutely crazy each and every performance.
@marcallen45322 жыл бұрын
I saw her next to last "Norma" in Detroit and that voice could not be properly reproduced in recordings. It filled the whole space, One heard it through the whole space from stage to rafters and the back of the house. Maybe on day recording engineers can reproduce that experience.
@LC-ig2jm5 жыл бұрын
She clobbered Cossotto in the 1969 Norma!
@SymphonyBrahms4 жыл бұрын
Good.
@meinsinddiewalder55245 жыл бұрын
Lol what adalgisa is holding B’s under Joan’s D? She’s like IM ALSO HERE HI 😂 At least D’s the 5th scale degree so with the 1/5/1/5/1 etc. it makes sense, but singing a B is the ultimate attention grab lol
@harpguy184 жыл бұрын
Meinsind Diewälder that would be Fiorenza Cossotto
@SymphonyBrahms4 жыл бұрын
@@harpguy18 A.K.A. Countess Dracula.
@TheRicharddeacon1235 жыл бұрын
The one and only.
@brolobear5 жыл бұрын
That high D from 1963 was MAMMOTH!
@Bulacio_Elias5 жыл бұрын
I love how Pavarotti looks at Sutherland so relaxed, then looks at Horne's score and start singing rapidly xD
@baritonebynight3 жыл бұрын
Not sure what language you are trying to speak.
@Bulacio_Elias3 жыл бұрын
@@baritonebynight English.
@baritonebynight3 жыл бұрын
@@Bulacio_Elias Keep trying
@Bulacio_Elias3 жыл бұрын
@@baritonebynight It really took you 2 months to answer that coment?
@Bulacio_Elias5 жыл бұрын
Please tell me you have the complete video of Sutherland Pavarotti and horne in 1981!
@SR-jx8yu5 жыл бұрын
I love Sutherland .... not a big fan of Norma though. Franco Corelli was the best Polione... And why did that cow, Cossotto, ruin it in Buenos Aires! What a hideous sound she made.
@jiwanhawk4 жыл бұрын
Where is Cossotto? Can't find her
@SymphonyBrahms4 жыл бұрын
Countess Dracula.
@SR-jx8yu2 жыл бұрын
@@jiwanhawk Buenos Aires 1969
@jiwanhawk2 жыл бұрын
Hahahahah don't hate cossotto, she had a HUGE voice and a great singer.
@wilsonwatt92835 жыл бұрын
The pictures reveal one very interesting aspect. The final Normal here was treated as though it was a Baroque opera by the director and costumer. This completely negates the change in opera that the three great bel canto composers were attempting. They wanted the story to be the focus with the emotions of the characters to be specific to them not, as in Baroque opera representations of single overriding emotional states. The way Sutherland is costumed [and it you look at archival photos, the other characters as well, this seems to be a Baroque opera or simply a concert performance. However, it is neither it is a staged performance. What a shame that even Sutherland, at the time of this performance, the greatest living exponent of Norma had to give in to the uninformed and unmusical preferences of the stage director and the costumer. pathetic in terms of respect for opera as drama. This is not Sutherland's fault as it has become the norm for outsiders to opera to overtake and devalue the most important aspects of the opera [drama in music] for all kinds of weird stagings that often actually contradict the music and libretto.
@marcallen45322 жыл бұрын
I agree with your point, but is was an beautiful production..
@artdanks4846 Жыл бұрын
@wilsonwatt Thank you for saying this!! I sooo agree with you about opera directors today!!
@schneevongestern98985 жыл бұрын
In the Buenos Aires sequence the harmony between the voices is thrilling. So dissonant and haunting.
@liedersanger12 жыл бұрын
Oops! Cossotto’s crude interpolated note obscures Sutherland’s note, which Bellini meant to dominate.
@marcallen45322 жыл бұрын
@@liedersanger1 I disagree. Cossotto''s derivation was sublime to me. I'd like to believe that Bellini would appove.
@johnpickford42222 жыл бұрын
@@marcallen4532 : Cossotto was a crude singer, loud and obnoxious. She wasn’t much of a musician to rewrite the opera in a poor attempt to show off. So believe what you want but she ruined the finale and the work of Sutherland and Charles Craig. The bitch should have been fired, THAT’S what I believe. And I’m right!!
@jondavwal13 Жыл бұрын
@@liedersanger1 All I can think when I hear it is "what the f is she doing? Is she lost?"
@baritonebynight Жыл бұрын
@@marcallen4532 Having sung with a conductor who worked with Cossotto, she didn't sing that note to compliment the action...she was engaging in attention seeking behavior which she was known for. Great singer, but not a good colleague.
@barockoma95175 жыл бұрын
Georg Lang? Parnassus?
@wilsonwatt92836 жыл бұрын
This is quite fascinating from many perspectives. It shows the size, consistency, flexibility and longevity of Sutherland's voice, after all in the Detroit one she is 63. While, as some say, others might have been more dramatic physically or stylistically, this is the ultimate soprano role and Sutherland mastered every musical aspect of it. However, one of the most fun things to hear is the one where Cossotto is singing the Adalgisa and sings an interpolated [badly] high note right before Sutherland's D. Cossotto had one of the largest mezzo voice of the 20th century and she simply disappears once Sutherland goes up to the D. No one usually dared attempt to upstage her vocally and in this instance she demonstrates why.
@stefanodepeppo3 жыл бұрын
It would be even a beautiful high B that Cossotto sang, but musically is SO odd!... Cossotto was an amazing singer and performer, but she suffered of HUGE ego and bitchiness.
@baritonebynight3 жыл бұрын
@@stefanodepeppo I sang for a conductor who conducted Cossotto. He said nothing good about her attitude.
@Mimi-ey5ej3 жыл бұрын
She did the same thing to Callas at those painful Paris Normas. Held the C 4 beats longer than Callas, so cruel too-knowing the bad shape Callas’ voice was in!
@marcallen45322 жыл бұрын
I LOVED Cossoto's deviation I don't know why Bellini didn't think of it,
@jondavwal13 Жыл бұрын
@@marcallen4532 Because it's disgusting.
@randysills44186 жыл бұрын
So astounding not only for her incredible virtuosity, but her vocal longevity! What other soprano of modern times could sustain a role like Norma for so many years!
@marcallen45322 жыл бұрын
Renee Fleming once suggested to Marilyn Horne that she was thinking about tackling "Norma." Jacky said nothin and just slowly shook her head.
@jimbuxton2187 Жыл бұрын
@@marcallen4532 yeah yeah.......well you probably know that Jenny Lind was a celebrated Norma right. Sutherland was the exception to EVERY rule.
@artdanks4846 Жыл бұрын
@@marcallen4532 When I originally heard that Horne discouraged Fleming from doing Norma, that really bothered me! I always thought she would have made a terrific Norma! But now we'll never know! 😢
@bellini7verdi6 жыл бұрын
una voz llena de atmosfera .......................totalmente fuera de todo contexto cantor..............ni en el barroco...........ni en el preromanticismo.ni en el romanticismo.........ni el neoclasisismo voval..........y mucho menos en el modernismo y lo contemporaneo....................ella tenia un aurea vocal.....imposible de catalogar....a todas sus edades de canto.....desde las finuras llenas de harmonicos imposibles....hasta el progresivo oscurecimiento de la voz.............que aumentaba aun asi y todo el encanto.............del pasado..............paralelo al encanto de su presente...........maduro.........una pasada de voz..........que todabia tengo en estudio................esa osadia...vocal...........de una exquisitez.................indescriptible...hasta el ultimo dia en el que se retiro...............VIVA LA GRANDISIMA JOAN SUTHERLAND..................
@jiwanhawk2 жыл бұрын
Una voz única en la existencia, técnicamente casi perfecta, que daría por haberla escuchado en vivo.
@artdanks4846 Жыл бұрын
@@jiwanhawk She was truly amazing! I had the good fortune of seeing her in a live performance of Lucia di Lammermoor, in 1974 (San Diego Opera). She was magnificent!!
@KaleidoscopeAct6 жыл бұрын
I wish her master class where talks about her plinth was required watching for students. It served her very well!
@jiwanhawk2 жыл бұрын
Hello, what's plinth?
@manolis.7996 жыл бұрын
She always did have a thrilling High D but unfortunately High notes are only 1/4 of Norma. Still, she’s one of the better ones
@artdanks48462 жыл бұрын
I agree. For me there were only ever 2 Normas. Sutherland and Callas.
@jimbuxton2187 Жыл бұрын
@@artdanks4846 ...I agree.....everybody else seems to have a lot of problems with the role.
@davidplazamarin880310 ай бұрын
@@artdanks4846amo, adoro a sutherland, por supuesto a Callas, pero en esa lista debe estar Caballé por derecho.
@artdanks484610 ай бұрын
@davidplazamarin8803 I adore Caballe. She's in my "top 4" of singers (i.e. Callas, Sutherland, Caballe and Sills). But I've never been that impressed with her Norma, (or Sills' Norma either, for that matter). But she was definitely a phenomenal voice and performer.
compare the '63 at 0.31 to the '89 at 8.57... 26 years later the voice is heavier, maybe a little flat - but that D is still rock solid! What a technique!
@baritonebynight4 жыл бұрын
Not flat to my ears
@AkaiGX3 жыл бұрын
The note wasn't flat, the tape was just played a bit slower
@enossantosbezerra11007 жыл бұрын
joan sutherland the greatest divaaa everrrrr
@bellini7verdi7 жыл бұрын
según cada cual ......hace su papel..................pero Sutherland...es......la suprema............la protagonista.............y a un estilo u otro.....todas las demás....no les queda mas remedio que hacer lo que les corresponde..............
@bellini7verdi7 жыл бұрын
impresionante................las actuaciones............de las sopranos y las mezzos......en su actuar ante ella.............esta .....simple que unas y otras tienen su personalidad...pero terinan sabiendo cual es su papel.....
@Lellobeetle7 жыл бұрын
I'm here on behalf of La Superba, Montserrat Caballé, and the 1984 London recording with La Stupenda and Luciano Pavarotti. Thank you very much for this recording. I did not know she performed it as late as 1989 in Detroit. Very classy acknowledgement at the end of the video.
@marcallen45322 жыл бұрын
Many people thought she should retired earlier (SHE wanted to), and I agree, but if she had, I would never have experience her alive. I am glad she didn't.
@baritonebynight7 ай бұрын
@@marcallen4532 I don't think she should have retired earlier....she went out on her terms. She was singing the most difficult repertoire up until 1989. By 1990 she was singing very little ...and I'm guessing that she didn't want to do it anymore by then. The only person she had to compete with was her younger self.
@jondavwal136 ай бұрын
@@baritonebynight I know someone who was with her after her last performance. Supposedly she turned to him and smiled and said "I never have to open my fucking mouth again if I don't want to."