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@_JDFun19
@_JDFun19 4 күн бұрын
Hello all. I am a Protestant inquirer and I have a faith and love that are deeply committed to Jesus and His Kingdom. I recently purchased an Orthodox Study Bible and have been using a lot of Orthodox prayers that are helping and enriching my prayer life. Based on what Mr. Hart is saying in this video this appears to me to be a safe place to ask this question. When you use the internet as a guide to learning about Orthodoxy here in America one of the dominant voices you are going to get is Father Josiah Trenhem. I am really enjoying listening to his lectures on the Orthodox faith. However, when it comes to politics he seems to be very conservative. ( I am just fine with a lot of conservative politics but that is not the point here) Socially Father Josiah has some strong views that I don't always agree with. I probably didn't ask that question well, but hopefully someone can give me an honest answer. Also, in my city there is a Greek Orthodox Church, an Antiochian Orthodox Church, and an OCA Church. I have attended Great Vespers at the Anitochian and OCA Church. Any recommendations that any of you can give me?
@frjamesbozeman5375
@frjamesbozeman5375 6 күн бұрын
What a bleak and impoverished view DBH has. His appeal will always lie most with those who have itching ears. I guess the rest of us stuck with the "joke" that "American Orthodoxy" is will just have to make do. We may not be smart enough for DBH, but I'm pretty sure that that's OK.
@10.6.12.
@10.6.12. 12 күн бұрын
American orthodoxy so often lapses into a wierd simulated version of American Pietism laced with Victorian sentimentality.
@FredvonHayek
@FredvonHayek Ай бұрын
Hart should stay in his lane. His politics and economics are pathetic.
@kennethfurr7397
@kennethfurr7397 Ай бұрын
Regarding this odd thing called Christian nationalism... It is incredible to me how many Christians say "Jesus is Lord" on Sundays and have not a single clue how radical a statement that actually is.
@broderickwallis25
@broderickwallis25 Ай бұрын
When one looks at, not only the religious mess on this earth but also the bigger mess in general, it would seem that the best reset of all w ould be the saving of ALL... If there were saved and unsaved you go back to the diviide and conquere principle which is how the corupt rule, including all organized religions rule !!! Praise God and give him glory😇
@broderickwallis25
@broderickwallis25 Ай бұрын
To me, David seems to be quite a well balanced man !
@eugenebrumley
@eugenebrumley Ай бұрын
Hmm... he criticizes the Russians for tribalism but praises the Greeks..? They're the most racist, superior, and insular of any Orthodox Christian group I've been a part of. I would like to hear him expand on why he thinks American Orthodoxy is a joke. Since he called it a wing of the baptist church but with incense I'm not optimisitic, but I hope it's something other than a political viewpoint.
@t-bonet-bone713
@t-bonet-bone713 2 ай бұрын
He kind of reminds me of James White.
@LarghettoCantabile
@LarghettoCantabile 2 ай бұрын
Thank God there are nations who resist the new world order and the anglo-zionist empire. And Russia is at the forefront of the fight for national sovereignties. Calling that tribalism is an error of category and an accusatory inversion from a supporter of the world's hegemon. This kind of support has been called people-pleasing by Saint Paul. There are indeed fashionable haters of Christianity, but there also are fashionable supporters of the new despotism, be it bogus environmentalism, climate alarmism or any other form of soft totalitarianism mingled with the worst military aggressions in history. When a basically good theologian dabbles with politics, he can lapse to the level of a Trudeau or a Macron.
@polemeros
@polemeros 3 ай бұрын
Well, when all is said and done, isn't DBH just another liberal?
@TheIndigoMagickian
@TheIndigoMagickian 3 ай бұрын
Patriarch Kirill betrayed his faith while Bartholomew prays with heretics and schismatics and his pet Archbishop Elpidophorous in America betrays the pro life movement? This is the pot calling the kettle black. lol. The Greek Archdiocese is a betrayal of the Orthodox ethos in bloc.
@tookie36
@tookie36 3 ай бұрын
Thank Jesus. Someone says something about the ignorance of right wing evangelicals going into the orthodoxy
@LyovaCampos
@LyovaCampos 3 ай бұрын
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸Hart is a heretic who misinterpret Scripture & our chuch fathers who condemned the pagan notion of pre-existence of souls. None of the Church fathers & saints ever claimed absolute Universalism as Origen the pantheist heretic who said parts of Bible are allegories did, they only believed in the correct view, whereas Hades was a transitional station for the judgement of God, whereas some would be moved to heaven & some would either stay in hades (sheol), which is a subterranean space - the Earth's mantle (as taught us the holy Tertullian), which in turn leads to hell/lake of fire - the Earth's core, where only God's SELECTED souls are saved by His grace & the others forever damned (so God didn't even create "a hell", only allowed Satan, His agent for testing man, to use Earth's inner core for that purpose) Fr. Rooney is 100% correct, and as an eastern Roman Orthodox, I am so ashamed of heretics like David Bentley Hart & all those modern academics, who corrupt our teachings, saying that God's will & creation are necessaries to Him & reject the concepts of mortal sin & justice. With their logic, even Hitler is saved. Yes, what a "good" just god they're believing in, those twisted wiseguys..🤦God bless Fr. Dominic for exposing your Hart's heretical deception! Shame!!
@fakeyououtdotcom2409
@fakeyououtdotcom2409 4 ай бұрын
Upon listening to DBH one might assume the highest virtue Jesus encourages us to attain would be intellectual arrogance with a side of condescension. 😂😂😂
@eugenegrushetsky4130
@eugenegrushetsky4130 5 ай бұрын
This David Hard is a typical intellectual who speaks without any consciousness? just operating with terms such as ideology, orthodoxy and tribalism, -poor guy. A.I. could easily replace such theologians.
@tonyoliver2750
@tonyoliver2750 3 ай бұрын
Who is this David Hard of whom you speak?
@user-ty1rj1zb7y
@user-ty1rj1zb7y 5 ай бұрын
There is no such inscription. Moreover, it misrepresents Fields’s mock epitaph written for a 1925 Vanity Fair article: "Here Lies / W. C. Fields / I Would Rather Be Living in Philadelphia". Indeed, Fields had a deep fondness (and a certain amount of disdain) for his hometown. Here again, DBH gets it wrong. If he can’t be trusted in the simplest details, don’t entrust those more sacred to him.
@thomassimmons1950
@thomassimmons1950 5 ай бұрын
Thus spake the Pope of Pomp!
@ericday4505
@ericday4505 5 ай бұрын
I can remember as a young christian, I read his book Beauty of the Infinte. And I thought wow this is going to be a tough religion to grasp. And I came back and read Hart consistantly, he is brilliant yes, but why does he always have to remind you of it.
@Devv_93
@Devv_93 5 ай бұрын
DBH is such a breath of fresh air when it comes to studying philosophy and theology! He stands in a league of his own right now!
@samwisegrangee
@samwisegrangee 8 ай бұрын
“The nothingness from which we came and to which we can never return.”
@publican168
@publican168 9 ай бұрын
True about destroyed American Orthodoxy... fundamentalist currents
@karinyaboriskova441
@karinyaboriskova441 9 ай бұрын
You look good losing the jacket.
@markbeeksma8035
@markbeeksma8035 10 ай бұрын
I believe that the Greek New Testament teaches that all hell is purgatory, followed by salvation for all. The ECT view of hell is of pagan origin and is supported by biased translations. I appreciate DBH's great contributions on this topic. However, DBH says he is a communist, I think. The problem with communism is not the supposed goal, using humanity's resources to help everyone. Rather, the problem with communism is the implementation, handing all power over to politicians who are extremely foolish and selfish. The biblical ideal is to have private ownership with an injunction to use the resources for the benefit of all. This has, in fact, worked very well in the US, where those near the bottom, say 20th percentile, are far better off than the average person in communist countries. I know DBH is smarter than me. But I would love to talk to him and try to see why he would embrace communism, even though the resulting power transfer to foolish and selfish politicians always hurts the poor.
@ironsandhammers359
@ironsandhammers359 10 ай бұрын
NATO... Nato as always.
@circuscyaneus3709
@circuscyaneus3709 10 ай бұрын
Was this filmed in DBH's house by any chance?
@TheHumbuckerboy
@TheHumbuckerboy Жыл бұрын
It would be great to hear more from DBH concerning his ideas about Heaven and Hell . The interview got very interesting right at the very end.
@CHIEFTATELLI
@CHIEFTATELLI Жыл бұрын
What Church does he mean when he says American Orthodoxy? All the Orthodox Archdiocese?
@jjhake
@jjhake Жыл бұрын
A little more here on that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYaWqpKeaZx1r6c
@lauterunvollkommenheit4344
@lauterunvollkommenheit4344 Жыл бұрын
I hope he won't go to hell for calling others fools.
@alrightthengreat
@alrightthengreat Жыл бұрын
He’s like the guy who found a really cool and obscure indie band that no one knew and he loved them, but when they became popular his nose turned up.“They sold out.” He’s a theological hipster.
@ddecarlo86
@ddecarlo86 Жыл бұрын
Hart's grown extremely bitter over the past few years, the personal resentment oozes out of him. Only a matter of time until he endorses SSM and Transgenderism, to own the Moscow Patriarchate of course!
@ionutchiric5779
@ionutchiric5779 13 күн бұрын
The guy is a fraud. Probrably likes gay marriage.
@justchilling704
@justchilling704 Жыл бұрын
Socialism simply doesn’t work, to some it sounds good on paper, but when it comes to a nation like the U.S execution wouldn’t fair well.
@Gruenders
@Gruenders Жыл бұрын
No one loves DBH more than DBH
@lauterunvollkommenheit4344
@lauterunvollkommenheit4344 Жыл бұрын
Thou shalt love thyself.
@joestar6194
@joestar6194 11 ай бұрын
You say that like it's a bad thing.
@circuscyaneus3709
@circuscyaneus3709 10 ай бұрын
I think he has a healthy distaste for false modesty.
@wordscapes5690
@wordscapes5690 10 ай бұрын
I assure you… I adore him more
@ericday4505
@ericday4505 5 ай бұрын
​@@wordscapes5690You must really like him, yeah.
@osip7315
@osip7315 Жыл бұрын
"its a wing of southern baptist with incense" hilarious !
@tonyoliver2750
@tonyoliver2750 6 ай бұрын
It is funny, but you could equally say of DBH that he's a wing of the Southern Poverty Law Centre with incense. 🤣
@PC-vp2cg
@PC-vp2cg 2 ай бұрын
​@@tonyoliver2750 Well, Jesus was concerned with the poor, so that seems to fit.
@tonyoliver2750
@tonyoliver2750 2 ай бұрын
@@PC-vp2cg Socialism isn't concerned with the poor, it makes people poor.
@PC-vp2cg
@PC-vp2cg 2 ай бұрын
@@tonyoliver2750 Alright, thanks for outing yourself as an American, I'm outta here
@tonyoliver2750
@tonyoliver2750 2 ай бұрын
@@PC-vp2cg I'm not an American, North, Central or South. Your conclusion simply defies logic, so perhaps getting "outta here" (an Americanism, surely?) is probably your best option.
@tylerlynch2849
@tylerlynch2849 Жыл бұрын
Big fan of DBH, really happy to see a good quality interview filmed with him
@stefang.9763
@stefang.9763 Жыл бұрын
oh, finally an EO who has a "mirror" and also dares to allow himself to (fairly) critique his own denomination's shortcomings...
@apmoy70
@apmoy70 2 ай бұрын
We're not a "denomination", we're The Church of Christ
@stefang.9763
@stefang.9763 2 ай бұрын
@@apmoy70 ah, you sound like the Pharisees when pridefully answering to Christ that they alone are the sons of Abraham...
@apmoy70
@apmoy70 2 ай бұрын
@@stefang.9763 Whatever man, whatever makes you happy...nevertheless, Christ built a Church and this Church never disappeared nor went lost
@desertshadow72
@desertshadow72 Жыл бұрын
Is this the man who extinguishes the very fires of hell by his wit & whims, historically alone?
@lauterunvollkommenheit4344
@lauterunvollkommenheit4344 Жыл бұрын
There have always been Christians who couldn't accept the notion of eternal torture. Augustine mockingly called them misericordi nostri in The City of God, Book 21.
@southernstoic8279
@southernstoic8279 Жыл бұрын
He's a Socialist? I'm a National Socialist too! Oh, wait. . . Joking aside, I have received much benefit from Hart's books (The Experience of God, That ALL Shall Be Saved, et al.), but I find his political views (what I know of them) repulsive. Jay Dyer referred to him as an ecumenical heretic. And so he is.
@southernstoic8279
@southernstoic8279 Жыл бұрын
@Gregory James Petersen That's usually the way it is (politics proceed from theology). It doesn't necessarily have to be that way, though.
@RootinrPootine
@RootinrPootine Жыл бұрын
“I’m a Christian I just don’t believe in social Justice”. Cool story bro 😎 😂
@southernstoic8279
@southernstoic8279 Жыл бұрын
@@RootinrPootine I'm neither, dumdum.
@AlyoshaKaramazov.
@AlyoshaKaramazov. Жыл бұрын
Social and economic justice? Please tell me I'm not hearing what I think I'm hearing...not from a Christian apologist. I have read his That All Shall Be Saved book, and he makes a lot of sense to me. But in these interviews and debates he often comes across as supercilious. Am I wrong in perceiving that he has aligned himself with politically leftist ideology, based on the context of what he is saying here? I realize American Christian fundamentalists are far from perfect; but I would steadfastly argue that going in the opposite direction is nothing short of aligning oneself with the godless ways of the world, a group-think view that is completely antithetical to the core of all that we embrace in the Christian faith. Ah! I got to the end, where he calls conservatist thinking stupid and refers to himself as a socialist. What an ego! Listen to his choice of words, how quick he is to disparage fundamentalists in the church. Anti-capitalist? I am a Christian universalist, but these quasi-Communistic perspectives are enough to make me say bye bye, DBH. AND I'm Throwing away my That All Shall Be Saved book.
@1otterclan
@1otterclan Жыл бұрын
That’s nice.
@AlyoshaKaramazov.
@AlyoshaKaramazov. Жыл бұрын
@Gregory James Petersen , with all due respect, brother (or peripheral friend of the faith), Jesus was not a socialist; His kingdom was not of this world. Any attempt to link the timeless truths of the gospel to political ideologies of any sort are antithetical to the basics of our faith in the Lord Jesus. Instead of flippantly asking me to read the New Testament (which I have read in English, Spanish, French, and Koine Greek), ask me about my father, a political prisoner in Cuba, a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ, a man who suffered because he refused to yield his faith in the Lord to the execrable tenets of socialism...which, by the way, has horrifically shattered the people of Cuba, just as it has shattered ALL who have succumbed to the wretched thievery and human rights abuses of socialism. (Shhh, don't tell anybody, but it has NEVER worked...Shhh, don't tell anybody, but it is atheistic at its core.) ;)
@AlyoshaKaramazov.
@AlyoshaKaramazov. Жыл бұрын
​@Gregory James Petersen , how quick you are to offend, wow. I share my personal history as a Cuban man, and you write it off as not saying much. You are not in the faith, friend. DBH's That All Shall Be Saved made a lot of sense to me, I'll admit. But in interviews he comes across as extremely smug, and it's really disconcerting. Socialism is evil.
@RootinrPootine
@RootinrPootine Жыл бұрын
DBH “We should improve society somewhat” You [melting down] “Supercilious!” DBH “charity and social justice are the core of the faith, not ego worship” You “What an ego! Criticizing economic equality (capitalism)? Not Christian! Now I have to throw away his book I already said was good!”
@RootinrPootine
@RootinrPootine Жыл бұрын
Impressively dog-brained post, man 😂
@DIBBY40
@DIBBY40 Жыл бұрын
I like that: "Hell is a room of mirrors"
@LyovaCampos
@LyovaCampos 3 ай бұрын
☦Yes, in the sick pretentious heretical mind of this false prophet - stay away from him if you don't wanna end up forever in the lake of fire with him. He better repent & fast. Despicable
@feralandroid
@feralandroid Жыл бұрын
As a recent convert and also a white male,I am a bit confused. Honest question, but how can you be on the left in the USA and support orthodoxy? The left hates traditional values and religion. I used to be an atheist so was surrounded by mostly left leaning people. Just really curious what it means to be politically left and orthodox? I have enjoyed DBH’s theological and philosophical writings.
@heatherescontrias8218
@heatherescontrias8218 Жыл бұрын
I enjoy his provocations. We do need wake-up calls.
@xiham4612
@xiham4612 Жыл бұрын
The stupid person's smart person. As Orthodox as Muhammad, maybe less.
@cookielemons
@cookielemons Жыл бұрын
If the Russian patriarch goes too far in one direction, I find Hart to go too far in the other. I appreciate his universalism, but his leftism gets tiring. We get it. You exclusively read and worship the corporate press and its infallible dicta. Trump is worse than Hitler. Blah, blah, blah. The man has spent far too long in the ivory tower.
@mking14808
@mking14808 Жыл бұрын
David Bentley Hart, a monstrously evil and gay man
@fr.johnwhiteford6194
@fr.johnwhiteford6194 Жыл бұрын
"The Basis of the Social Concept of the Russian Orthodox Church" is available online, and you can find in several places by googling it. It is a very good document, but DBH perhaps doesn't like it because it is socially conservative.
@ddecarlo86
@ddecarlo86 Жыл бұрын
He really just needs to come out and say he's for gay marriage at this point, he seems to have hinted at much recently. Time for him to just admit it.
@mariorizkallah5383
@mariorizkallah5383 Жыл бұрын
@@chanting_germ. Patriarch Kyril prays for peace. Stop judging
@fr.johnwhiteford6194
@fr.johnwhiteford6194 Жыл бұрын
@exercisewaterhart The war in Ukraine was started in 2014 when the US sponsored a coup that overthrew the lawfully elected government, and then we picked the leadership of the new regime. There is no government more responsible for the bloodshed there than our own.
@fr.johnwhiteford6194
@fr.johnwhiteford6194 Жыл бұрын
@exercisewaterhart has he renounced Orthodoxy in public? He's undoubtedly a brilliant man, but his theology is not Christian. It's more an eclectic form of Buddhism.
@youngyvidz716
@youngyvidz716 11 ай бұрын
@@fr.johnwhiteford6194 Not sure how you could call it buddhism, if anything you could call it Christo-centric vedanta. Hart is basically just an ecumenically/sycrentistically inclined Christo-centric neoplatonist/vedantist.
@Dlee-eo5vv
@Dlee-eo5vv Жыл бұрын
Let's keep in mind, David is a scholar and not a priest.
@costakeith9048
@costakeith9048 Жыл бұрын
I don't see much scholarship from him, mostly just sentimentalism and vain speculation. He doesn't demonstrate the mastery of the patristic literature that more capable Orthodox scholars do.
@Dlee-eo5vv
@Dlee-eo5vv Жыл бұрын
@Costa Keith I agree with you, it's very concerning when a person elevates himself or knowledge above the church.
@costakeith9048
@costakeith9048 Жыл бұрын
@@Dlee-eo5vv If he wants to apply h is interpretations to the historic and literary record, I may not always agree with it, but that's what academics do, for better or worse. However, a prerequisite to this privileges is a complete mastery of the literature in the field, which in Orthodox Theology means pretty much the entirety of the Patrologae Graeca and about 50 more volumes of important synodal, patriarchal, imperial, patristic, and legal texts that would take too long to list here -- the vast majority of which is only available in Greek. Nothing I've seen from Hart suggests this level of familiarity that ought to be expected of a scholar, I've even seen him state ideas of his that would present a golden opportunity to reference one text or another I am familiar with (and, no, I don't claim to be familiar with the entire corpus of patristic literature, but nor do I fancy myself a scholar or academic), and it's clear that he's unaware of it because he fails to cite it even though doing so would considerably strengthen his argument. It's a very different experience from reading things written by people like Fr. John Behr or Fr. George Dragas, whose books and papers are worth getting just for the bibliographies, regardless of whether or not you're interested in the subject matter.
@dubbelkastrull
@dubbelkastrull Жыл бұрын
@@costakeith9048 And what books have you written lately?
@costakeith9048
@costakeith9048 Жыл бұрын
@@dubbelkastrull While I may be able to attain to Hart's level of scholarship, that does not mean that I am sufficiently well versed to put pen to paper. Such audacity ought, ideally, to be left to the bishops, saints, and elders; but if we are to attempt it in an academic setting, it must at least be after obtaining a mastery of the patristic literature far beyond what either Hart or I have achieved. There are dozens of tomes of, mostly Medieval, Greek patristic literature that I have never even read, much less mastered. How could I contribute to the patristic tradition if I have not yet mastered what is already there? I'm not a saint, I cannot speak from Divine Revelation, all I can do is comment on the writings of my betters.
@thesampo
@thesampo Жыл бұрын
Was there a section in the paper he references on humility? We could all benefit from a closer reading of that.
@daMillenialTrucker
@daMillenialTrucker 11 ай бұрын
It's pretty sad people need to be taught humility, Paul said "to see others as better then yourself". Plain and simple
@PC-vp2cg
@PC-vp2cg 2 ай бұрын
​@@daMillenialTrucker Anyone who claims humility is easy, is definitely not humble
@darrenmiller8608
@darrenmiller8608 Жыл бұрын
DBH is the Nassim Taleb of theology.
@daneracamosa
@daneracamosa Жыл бұрын
Such a brilliant thinker on things spiritual and philosophical... Of course when he Strays into other topics, as he is so often want to do, his thinking becomes muddled and mushy and ideological. No different from many intellectuals with Superior intelligence who have never had to concern themselves with the practicalities of the material world.
@RootinrPootine
@RootinrPootine Жыл бұрын
👶🧠
@justchilling704
@justchilling704 Жыл бұрын
Well articulated.
@RootinrPootine
@RootinrPootine Жыл бұрын
@@justchilling704 👶🧠
@ericmccarty5783
@ericmccarty5783 Жыл бұрын
It's as though he expended all of his considerable intellect on theology and philosophy and had nothing left for economics and politics. It's probably a good thing for me, though. If he was as brilliant across the board, I'd be tempted to wear a DBH t-shirt and that would be embarrassing for a grown man.
@justchilling704
@justchilling704 Жыл бұрын
@@ericmccarty5783 Right!