Flew at TAL around ‘98 for a few years, fondly remember G. Gentile. A gem of a man.
@CautionHighWavesAhead-9 күн бұрын
I just saw the Star of America at JFK Terminal 5 by the TWA hotel. Amazing story and thanks for giving us a deeper look.
@Trump9859 күн бұрын
They used to call those power recovery turbines "parts recovery turbines" .
@rossshears672611 күн бұрын
Thank you for this and the sequential series of 3 . From times past we all learn . I retired from a 34 year airline career . All turbine equipment. My father started on overseas in 1955 as Captain on DC 6’s , Pacific operations based out of CYVR ( Canadian Pacific Airlines ) down to Australia and New Zealand via Hawaii and Fiji . The stories recounted revealed that it was a struggle at best . Navigation , range , weather systems, fatigue and the equipment. The 6 was followed by the Britannia 314 , plagued with its own unique set of issues plus the ones noted above . Then the skys cleared so to speak when the DC 8’s came on line . I have always wondered about the skill it took to operate a large round piston engine and have tried to study how they did what they did to get them across the large and empty deep blue of the Pacific . All alone so to speak . Thanks to your efforts I have a greater respect and understanding . Cheers RS , CYVR .
@AeroDinosaur11 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching and your kind comments and stories. Like you I have never fathomed the vast skills needed to fly a big propliner. So many things can go wrong FAST, while you are hurling 130,000 pounds through the air at 200 mph. Truly, a "Tiger on a Leash" as author Alvin Moscow titled his book on 1950s propliner crashes. J.A. Reed
@twobitsworth155612 күн бұрын
67-70 T-28,, C-47, U3A, T-29s. crew chief. Thailand, Mather AFB Ca. enjoyed those days.
@AeroDinosaur11 күн бұрын
Looks like you covered the spectrum. Thanks for watching and I'm sure you have heard it many times before--thank you for your service. My cousin did the same thing at Bien Hoa airbase those same years, 1969-70. J.A. Reed.
@pamshewan918114 күн бұрын
I love the sound that the DC3 engines make. Awesome cool! Thank you for an excellent presentation. 🙏
@AeroDinosaur11 күн бұрын
Thank you very much. Thanks and glad you enjoyed it.
@Zewestcoaster16 күн бұрын
Makes me wonder whether "Rosie the Riveter" could have ever imagined the plane she worked on in the 1940's would still be flying in 2024 with an upgraded power plant.... They built them well, but I don't think longevity was on their minds. They just wanted their men to come home....
@AeroDinosaur11 күн бұрын
Sadly all the Rosies are gone, but happily, their DC-3/C-47s are not. Thanks for checking us out! J.A. Reed
@Agwings196016 күн бұрын
The Tri 3 was still in operation during the summer of 1990 doing research at the North Pole regions, based out of Thule Greenland, my close friend John Haggland a Fairbanks AK resident was the crew chief
@AeroDinosaur11 күн бұрын
Thanks for that interesting bit of information--I didn't know that. Glad that plane lasted at least that long, and they should have built more of them! And thanks for watching, J.A. Reed
@Agwings196010 күн бұрын
@@AeroDinosaur John use to tell me how sore the military was because they wanted that mission, but they didn't have an aircraft that could do what the tri 3 could do
@maxjasmine18 күн бұрын
Basler Aviation in Oshkosh.
@Idigdat119 күн бұрын
The audio on this intro is only playing on the left channel, mono… very distracting, other than that, I like the Content and the idea behind your channel.
@AeroDinosaur19 күн бұрын
Thank you--we've been aware of that problem for years but cannot fix it once published. Sorry for the inconvenience but glad you like the content. I was using a microphone that had one dead channel. Once I discovered that I got a new microphone with 2 working channels which we have been using since to correct the problem. J.A. Reed
@AeroDinosaur19 күн бұрын
I'll bet it was fun. TAL crews were the best and I enjoyed working with them. I suppose you must have helped them "fly out of" the piston age if you were with them in the mid-90s. J.A. Reed.
@kevinkilleen637520 күн бұрын
Excellent information.
@AeroDinosaur19 күн бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment and for checking us out! Much appreciated. J.A. Reed
@mothmagic120 күн бұрын
Not doing too badly for a design that first flew in 1935.
@AeroDinosaur19 күн бұрын
Agreed! Thanks for checking us out! J.A. Reed
@thaiexodus291621 күн бұрын
Between the non pressurized cabin and the present day cost prohibitive industrial duty grade air frame those planes are rebuild-able and re-certifiable forever. Science labs in Antarctica getting their supplies delivered in DC 3s.
@lurking0death22 күн бұрын
The DC-3 (alias Dakota, C-47, Skytrain) was designed and first built BEFORE engineers had a good handle on metal stress analysis, metal fatigue. Therefore, to be safe the DC-3 was overbuilt. This made it a particularly tough aircraft and long lived....very long lived. Eisenhower dubbed it one of the allied pieces of equipment that won WWII for the allies, along with the LST (assault landing craft) and the Jeep.
@AeroDinosaur19 күн бұрын
Thank you sir for your input--I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say! Tanks for watching!
@michaelguerin5623 күн бұрын
Thank you John. I have subscribed. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
@AeroDinosaur19 күн бұрын
Thank you sir! I love NZ--one of the biggest and best contributors to legacy aviation anywhere! J.A. Reed
@michaelguerin5619 күн бұрын
@AeroDinosaur Talking about old aeroplanes ... my father used to tell us about the time that he flew across the Southern Alps from his native West Coast to Christchurch, ss a passenger in a Fox Moth. It was not until I watched one of Mikey McBryan's video interviews with his father that I realized exactly how scary that flight would have been😁. Story #2; My father was born in February, 1930 and when WW2 started, he persuaded his school to set up an ATC unit instead of an army affiliated unit as all the other Greymouth schools chose. This meant that whilst pupils in other schools were doing a fair amount of 'square bashing' and probably short route marches, etcetera; he and his mates were mostly attending aircraft recognition classes and also making visits to aerodromes! I told that story at his funeral and one of his nieces said that she would tell it to her son who was a pilot🙂!
@AeroDinosaur11 күн бұрын
@@michaelguerin56 Your father was brave. I'm not sure if I would get into a Fox Moth to fly 10 feet high over flat land! Otherwise, it looks like your dad was a persuader and forged his own destiny! Thanks for watching. J.A. Reed
@MikeFarrow-fo8ko25 күн бұрын
I flew for Trans Air Link in the mid-1990s. Fun times.
@billywayne903926 күн бұрын
Can't believe it took this long to lay eyes on a DC-3 with turboprops. WOW!
@nemo22726 күн бұрын
The DC-3 is also one of the most graceful looking plane. We might even say it's beautiful.
@AeroDinosaur19 күн бұрын
I must agree with you for sure. Thanks for watching! J. A. Reed
@eottoe200126 күн бұрын
I remember as a kid seeing them still being used by the airports at CVG and LUK for cargo.
@davewardvodafone27 күн бұрын
Can you help me to find out what happened to VP WAJ That my father was involved in purchasing I believe and from the records was registered to Air Trans Africa I.e. Jack Mallock? Regards Dave Ward
@AeroDinosaur26 күн бұрын
If it is a DC-7 you are talking about, much of Africa ran out of 100LL avgas in the late 1990s, grounding the big props there, including DC-7C -9TA. I have a book on Jack Malloch that traces a lot of his Affretair and Air Trans Africa fleet, so I'll check that and get back to you. J.A. Reed
@johndyson410927 күн бұрын
WAY too much of an INTRO. to the actual documentary.. I'm an R-2800 fan..
@AeroDinosaur26 күн бұрын
I'm an R-2800 fan too. Also, we learned our "intro lesson" two years ago and don't do long intros any more. Thanks for watching anyway. J.A. Reed
@k9killer22128 күн бұрын
The DC-3 actually hasn't got a defined hull/wing life. No one really knows how long they can last. From the same era, the JU 52 3M is the same.
@AeroDinosaur26 күн бұрын
You are right--in the 1930s they did not make that calculation--they just over-built (service factored) the structures as an insurance policy. Thanks for watching! J.A. Reed
@k9killer22126 күн бұрын
@@AeroDinosaur It's all based on condition. Some planes have had a hard life, others not. Provided the plane passes inspection or has been repaired correctly, it's good to go. And even if the plane is a bit dinged up, it's quite easy to fix.
@ForthviewDevelopments28 күн бұрын
I think South Africa retro fitted a bunch of DC3s with turbo props during the apartheid years
@AeroDinosaur26 күн бұрын
You are correct, they did. SAAF just retired their last turbo DC-3s this year. Thanks for watching. J.A. Reed
@VidarLund-k5q28 күн бұрын
Nothing beats those last generations of propeller driven piston engined aircraft.
@AeroDinosaur26 күн бұрын
Agreed! Thanks for watching. J.A. Reed
@majobis29 күн бұрын
I did not hear a lot of audio If there were a lot of audio content it was completely gone
@bladerunner5810Ай бұрын
The wild thing about the DC-3 is that it never looked like an OLD airplane. It looks contemporary.
@AeroDinosaur26 күн бұрын
Agreed! Thanks for checking us out. J.A. Reed
@myfavoritemartian1Ай бұрын
This is a super video! But i get only the left channel making it hard to listen to.
@AeroDinosaur26 күн бұрын
Thanks for the complement! Sorry about the audio, at the time I didn't know that one channel of my microphone was out, making it annoying for stereo listeners. At this point I'm unable to change that, but our subsequent video productions utilize a new mic with both channels working. J.A. Reed
@myfavoritemartian126 күн бұрын
@@AeroDinosaur My first ride was in a DC3. Never forget it. But I grew up seeing Connie's taking off at Sky Harbor, F 86's and P80's every day as I lived in between Luke field and Williams Field. A friends father was a crop duster and he taught us in a Stearman, most of my hours were in it. Good times!
@AeroDinosaur19 күн бұрын
@@myfavoritemartian1 Looks like you had a "full immersion" early life. I've been up in Stearmans a few times, nothing like it. However, never checked out in it, unfortunately. Thanks for watching! J.A. Reed
@stevecallagher9973Ай бұрын
the wasp major is amazing piece of engineering, I've seen a couple of cut away examples on display and watching the cylinder banks cycle through is awe inspiring...
@ronaldburrows-g6nАй бұрын
How about 2 under slung fan jets
@AeroDinosaur26 күн бұрын
That would be interesting for a low-wing tail dragger--I don't think the turbofans would fit under there!, and there is a reason jet power does not go well with tail draggers. Thanks for watching!
@RonaldKorberАй бұрын
I was plane capt. on LE-1 ,LE-7,LE-8.VP-11. Brunswick,Me. 1961 -1965. LE-1 (148359).LE-7 (145918)LE-8(140155) I remember seeing 148358 . @ NASB .VP-21,23 ?never had any problems a/c at all..lost 2/3 engines over that time.mainly a cylinder failure.replced same and continued on..flew into/out of most nas
@vaughanhill6933Ай бұрын
You didn't mention the other British turbine conversion. this was a Douglas C47b reengined with two Armstrong Siddeley Mamba's. this was done in 1954.
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
My bad! The British were the first to convert the DC-3 to turboprops. I don't recall whether I mentioned that or not. There was one Mamba conversion for testing starting in 1949, and BEA had two converted with Darts for cargo-proving flights starting in the early 1950s. The cargo-flying test pilots loved them. These tests did not last long--all three were soon converted back to their original piston R-1830s. Thanks for watching anyway! J.A. Reed
@jazzandbluesculturalherita2547Ай бұрын
During the late '90s, I dropped my wife at the Kansas City airport one weekend. Before I made the trip back home to Mid-Missouri, I drove by my old Naval Air Reserve drill site, which had been BRAC'd, at the New Century Air Center, or Gardner Kansas Industrial Airport, just Southwest of Olathe, Kansas, and Kansas City. That aerodrome began life as Naval Air Station Olathe back in the '40s, in "The Prairie Navy", as a backup for a Navy Flight & Technical Training base. Well, I rounded the corner nearest the FBO at New Century, and what to my wondering eyes did appear, 2-3 rows of Gooney Birds fitted with turboprop engines! I felt like a cow staring at a new gate! Strangest thing I had ever seen. Later I learned that these were Basler BT-67s.
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
Yes--New Century NAS Olathe has quite a history. I know several Naval aviators who were based there and flew out of there up until the 1970s or '80s. Still a very active civilian airport where you can find anything at any time! J.A. Reed
@jazzandbluesculturalherita2547Ай бұрын
@@AeroDinosaur Your video was very informative, both succinct & complete, regarding the BT-67 and variants. Very surprised to hear that the Basler price is $9M, when a flyable Gooney Bird is closer to $300K. Would be fun to have one to fly about in, but then you're still sick with an unpressurized aircraft limited to lower flight levels and only turboprop airspeeds at best. I flew with the US Navy in the Lockheed S-3A Viking, so when we weren't fluttering about over a field of sonobuoys at somewhere below 10,000 ft, we were flying airways at up to FL 400 & 400 knots. I've always wanted to get my own rig to fly cross-countries in, but I'd be disappointed if it couldn't achieve the same or similar parameters.
@AeroDinosaur26 күн бұрын
@@jazzandbluesculturalherita2547 Thanks for the complement and comments. And thanks for your service in the S-3A! I remember when they went into the fleet when I was in college in the mid-1970s. Before that I saw their predecessor, the S2 Tracker operating out of North Island San Diego. J.A. Reed
@cesterly4668Ай бұрын
DC3 Not a dinosaur safest prop history along with savest jet-B727......
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
Agreed! J.A. Reed
@garynew9637Ай бұрын
Didnt know fairchild did a version of the f27!
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
Yes, Fairchild license-built the F-27 and built their own stretched version, the F-227. J.A. Reed
@christopherandersch1299Ай бұрын
The Lee county mosquito district (in sw Florida ,the largest district in the state) had 5 ,D.C.3’s painted yellow and would often spray in formation (which was truly awesome to see) and in around 2010 they sold the 5, and bought 2 balser units, and they now do the same amount of work,better speed,fuel economy, and less stress on the airframe.
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
In the mid-1980s I visited the Monroe County Mosquito Control District on Marathon Key, Florida. They too flew about 5 DC-3 sprayers, and the manager let me walk around to take photos of them inside and out. They got rid of them at some point and I do not know what they use now. I know a guy in California who bought one of their DC-3s and had it meticulously re-configured inside and out for passengers. His name is Tom Hanks, but not the one you are thinking of. J.A. Reed
@therealniksongsАй бұрын
Fabulous model collection!
@AeroDinosaur26 күн бұрын
Thanks! I like using them as "props" so to speak. Thanks for watching too!
@Dbodell8000Ай бұрын
You need a model of the Martin Mars.
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
I know, but nobody makes a kit of the Mars that I know of, and I am not good enough to build one from scratch! J.A. Reed
@Dbodell8000Ай бұрын
There was a resin kit done some years ago but I can’t remember by who.
@AeroDinosaur26 күн бұрын
@@Dbodell8000 I missed that one! J.A. Reed
@larrydeboer9477Ай бұрын
I worked for General Motors at the Milford proving grounds from 1967 to 1974. I rode on GM's corporate airline a couple of times. They made regular stops at the cities where GM had manufacturing facilities in the upper Midwest. I remember a very spacious aircraft interior with small desks at most seats. It was a prop type airplane. Later on I always wondered what type of aircraft this was. Does anyone know the answer?
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
I'm pretty sure GM flew a Convair 580 turboprop within that timeframe. It was a conversion of the piston Convair 340s and 440s, with Allison 501 turboprops of about 3,250 shaft horsepower. each. Thanks for watching. J.A. Reed
@larrydeboer9477Ай бұрын
I didn't mention that someone told me at that time that GM's planes were upgraded with turboprop engines. So, that tracks with your reply. Thank you!
@stevemcdonald1033Ай бұрын
You didn't mention the AC-47 "Spooky" gunship flown very successfully during the Vietnam Conflict. It was a derivative of the DC-3 and was also known as, "Puff the Magic Dragon".
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
Sorry about that! Thanks for watching anyway! J.A. Reed
@mikestone9129Ай бұрын
I flew the DC-3 for several years into and out of Central and South America as well as in and out of Florida/Texas. It is my favorite aircraft of all time.
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
I bet that was rough duty sometimes--I can only dream about experiences like that flying a DC-3. We're always glad to reach real pilots of these machines! J.A. Reed
@josecora1917Ай бұрын
The plane has a solid airframe, unpressurize sistem, don't put stress, engines are very well if it maintened correctly, of course turbine engine inmortalize the plane for ever, but cost a fortune the convertion.
@richarderickson8840Ай бұрын
I was so happy when I found your channel. Love the poor mans hanger. I built models' of many of those growing up. Thank you for sharing these wonderful aircraft with us viewers.
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
You bet, thanks for watching our channel and your complements! We have fun doing it. J.A. Reed.
@v_isforvictory9366Ай бұрын
I am suprised you did not cover the conversion by the South African air force as turbo dak's! they got retired last month (09/24) but they have been flying for a long time!
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
Yes I know there were many good turbo conversions and operators such as SAAF, but our focus was Basler as our "example" because that is where we had the most photos, video, and data, at our disposal. If you or anyone you know can secure enough material and permission to use it we would be happy to do a KZbin on the South African Air Force turbo-3s with credits to you. Thanks for watching! J.A. Reed
@v_isforvictory936625 күн бұрын
@@AeroDinosaur Mmmm...good challenge I'll be in touch.
Here in the Netherlands Aviodrome museum there is a working L-049 kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2HCnnWoo5WMi9Esi=ubiPlzYsCWa9MNHd There are runup videos here on youtube to
@thudableАй бұрын
These aircraft are incredible. Someday they will all be gone. That's tragic 😢
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
Agreed! Thanks for watching. J.A. Reed
@crazybrit-nasafanАй бұрын
Ok, so updating the DC3/C47 with the PT6 gives a cheaper alternative to more modern types, wouldn't doing the same with the DC6 and DC4 be an option? There are plenty of those about.
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
I'm just thinking that the economics weren't there with the prevalence of larger twin turboprops--Convair 580s, Fairchild F-227s etc. Also, the 4-engine Douglas's weren't good at short-field ops despite their higher capacities. These are only my wild guesses. J.A. Reed
@itsmeeee2154Ай бұрын
I also heard the Tri-turbo 3 had an insurmountable issue that was a major contributing factor to it being unsuccessful: the cockpit/nose section of the DC3 isn’t exactly airtight, and exhaust/engine fumes from the nose engine entering the cockpit was a problem they were never able to resolve.
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
I bet the Tri-Turbo was pretty noisy too! J.A. Reed.
@itsmeeee2154Ай бұрын
I thought the Tri-turbo 3 ended up at Basler, parked across the road just down the street from the Basler facility. I understand the tail of it was pulled off and sent to Antarctica to be used in the repair of another Basler 3 that was crash landed in a mountain there. It is quite the story as to what was involved in the recovery of this aircraft (why it had to be recovered, planning, preparation, logistics, and repair/recovery.)
@AeroDinosaurАй бұрын
Thanks for the info. Sad that it was ultimately busted up! I wonder if it was ever restored back. J.A. Reed