nice vid, but you fail to show at what point are the stiches are removed.
@timberboatworks23 сағат бұрын
The stitches need to be removed so the outside of the hull can be sanded smooth before applying the paint. Thanks for the comment.
@rafhys4 күн бұрын
Good
@MultiPurseanalities19 күн бұрын
What kind of adhesive do you use for the repair?
@timberboatworks15 күн бұрын
Its an acrylic adhesive available at boatcraft.com/collections/delta-kayaks/products/delta-3-repair-kit
@Nelsonelik24 күн бұрын
👍🥰
@robertbolding4182Ай бұрын
Someday someone will show you how to strip a boat in an hour.
@fottynine49Ай бұрын
Can you send stencils of all body parts?
@timberboatworksАй бұрын
These kits are sold as complete CNC cut kits. We do not offer full size paper plans. This kit is available at www.timberboatworks.com/collections/touring/products/lightning-17
@bryanmccall3888Ай бұрын
Why do you put the inwales above the hull line?
@timberboatworksАй бұрын
The gunwales are used to protect and stiffen the sheer line, so by installing them to encapsulate the top of the cedar strips it will stop any chance of damage (portage, paddle strike, storage or transportation) and water penetration into the top of the cedar strip. It is also a much cleaner appearance and more similar to how ash gunwales are installed on manufactured kevlar and composite canoes (ie: Hellman Canoes, Swift Canoes, etc). Thank you for the question.
@Nightside132 ай бұрын
No orange peel! Did you have to thin it out a lot?
@timberboatworks2 ай бұрын
No I am using a smaller HVLP spray nozzle with a smaller nozzle size. It is thinned according to the Pettit Flagship Varnish recommendation. Too much thinner will lead to very weak and soft varnish. I adjust the air pressure at the compressor not at the gun to have an even pressure all the way through the hose, the gun cannot regulate the pressure in that short distance between the regulator on the gun and the nozzle.
@benjamincampin3 ай бұрын
Very useful video. Thanks ! Just a quick question : What kind of carbon fiber fabric did you use ?
@timberboatworks3 ай бұрын
This is a 3K Carbon Fibre Twill available at boatcraft.com/collections/specialty-cloth Thanks for watching.
@lucabeltrame31693 ай бұрын
wow!!!! 👏👏👏👏
@timberboatworks3 ай бұрын
Applying the gel coat is inexpensive, about $15 but the polishing is the important part. 3M makes a cutting compound and polish that makes it look uniform to the rest of the hull. boatcraft.com/collections/cleaners-waxes/products/gelcoat-heavy-cut-compound
@yru4353 ай бұрын
Very nice looking boat.
@timberboatworks3 ай бұрын
It paddles even better than it looks. This is a build your own kit available at www.timberboatworks.com/en-us/collections/touring/products/lightning-17
@coltonwilson87173 ай бұрын
Cant even tell
@timberboatworks3 ай бұрын
Thank you. The products and tools used are simple. The gel coat costs about $15 and the 3M product heavy cutting compound and polish. boatcraft.com/collections/cleaners-waxes/products/gelcoat-heavy-cut-compound
@soihavetoplay4 ай бұрын
Awesome job and very helpful, I have exactly the same repair to be done!
@dominicking15304 ай бұрын
Why do you use electrical tape vs masking tape?
@timberboatworks4 ай бұрын
Masking tape has fibers that stick to epoxy. It leaves residue and tape in the epoxy and makes more work. Masking tape also allows bleed underneath the tape, which will never give sharp lines. Electricians tape can be stretched to sharp edges and can do circles and round shapes, which all boats are rounded shapes. It serves well and most of all its cheap to use.
@Ericas-Adventure5 ай бұрын
Soo, are these thermoform kayaks strong enough to use on low rivers and creeks? Im thinking about one for camping. most of the streams are pretty calm but have low sections with rocks and gravel you have to slide over. I have a poly boat for the severe rock drag trips. But could i get away with a thermoformed boat for camping trips where there might be some dragging and minor rock bumps? Or are they strictly for deeper water and soft sandy shores?
@timberboatworks5 ай бұрын
ABS boats are more durable than HDPE (polyethylene) boats because they are flexible and way lighter. ABS has more flexibility than HDPE so impacts do not shatter the surface. You can see in the video how much the ABS bent before failure. This boat was in a roof rack and hit a concrete parking structure, this is not a regular situation or use for this boat. Deltas specifically are build very well, durable, UV stable, ultra light and high performance. This is not the case for all ABS boats. boatcraft.com/collections/delta-kayaks
Any chance you can leave a list of the products you used?
@timberboatworks5 ай бұрын
West Systems Epoxy. 1708 Biaxial Fiberglass. White Gel Coat.
@cmagnell6136 ай бұрын
Great vid! Used it to get comfortable with the process and was able to perform a tricky repair on my Eddyline where the coaming was splitting from the hull. However now I'm looking at picking up a Hurricane that was previously repaired with fiberglass patches and one of them is on the outside and ugly. Can you clarify what kind of paint you used to pretty up the hull? Is there anything available in cans that would give similar results? I don't need it gorgeous, just not a huge yellow patch. Thanks!
@timberboatworks5 ай бұрын
The paint used in the video is for commercial use, it cannot be retailed. The issue for rattle can paints in general is preparing the plastic to receive paint, since plastics are non porous and non sticking by nature. It would depend on what fiberglass and resin was used as well, automotive polyester like bondo will not adhere to plastics long term. Be cautious when buying boats that have not been professionally repaired. I am using a specific acrylic adhesive from the manufacturer that is formulated to bond to plastic, not polyester resin or epoxy for instance.
@matte-d3496 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for the video! I am going to attempt to repair two minor cracks on my Delta... a small crack in the deck behind the cockpit which the above technique should work well for, but the 2nd crack is on the cockpit coaming and I'm unsure of how much fibreglass cloth to use here... should I just use a little on the underside of the coaming ridge to strengthen the spot, or wrap it around the side of the coaming so it is on both sides of the crack?
@timberboatworks6 ай бұрын
If you are injecting the acrylic adhesive into the crack from the underside and filling the joint completely you do not require fibreglass on the outside. If you are not able to adhere the internal crack surfaces we do want fiberglass on the top and bottom of the crack. Generally we do not want to have a visible repair, which leads to painting if you are having adhesive exposed to UV.
@michaeltowler26326 ай бұрын
Nice. The patch you put inside, is that with epoxy too or polyester resin?
@timberboatworks6 ай бұрын
Epoxy through 1708 biaxial fiberglass.
@rnrhodes92567 ай бұрын
Absolutely gorgeous. Bravo! 👍👍👍
@timberboatworks7 ай бұрын
Thank you. A different look at customizing a mahogany kayak.
@edwardpardy78667 ай бұрын
How many hours into the project?
@timberboatworks7 ай бұрын
This one was 60 hours. The extra carbon fibre took time to get right.
@clee56537 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info. Would it be sensible to coat the whole hull with this? I am building something quick and dirty now, and this looks good.
@timberboatworks7 ай бұрын
The graphite coating is not structural, its only to reduce deep impacts and scratches. The graphite isnt a filler so it just duplicates the fiberglass surface and texture below. It could be used as a water proof barrier.
@clee56537 ай бұрын
@@timberboatworks I think adding scilla to the graphite and epoxy mix increases strength as well. But my goal here is to coat a already fiberglassed hull with three layers of epoxy. So I can get away with paint or varnish for uv protection. I happen to live in a place where epoxy is much easier to get than marine paint.
@michaelciola80398 ай бұрын
Thanks
@EighthFin8 ай бұрын
Which gauge stitching wire did you use?
@timberboatworks8 ай бұрын
0.032" stainless wire. Copper wire has become too expensive to be used in repairs and constructions. This wire is sourced from the concrete and cribbing industry. Its cheap and easily sourced.
@timberboatworks8 ай бұрын
0.032" stainless wire. Copper wire has become to expensive for constructions and repairs.
@michaelciola80398 ай бұрын
Thank you. Very informative. One question still remains. Exactly how do you determine the location of the bow and stern seats? How far from the bow and stern are the seats located? I also noticed that your seats are fairly low in the canoe, I know that the low center of gravity will increase stability but as a senior paddler I can't help think that a higher mount would be more comfortable. Your input please. Once again thank you
@timberboatworks8 ай бұрын
The hull design will dictate the location of the seat, if you are unsure of the location a 1/3 and 2/3 method can be used for approximate positioning and then small adjustments can be made off this concept. We do not want to move the paddlers too far to the rear of the canoe because this will shift the weight of the load in the canoe which can affect performance. The paddlers should be kneeling when paddling for the most stability and power, seating that is too high will make the boat unstable unless there is enough weight in the boat (gear, people, etc.) to compensate for a top heavy load. It is paddler position vs. draft of the hull that calculates stability of any craft.
@jroosenmaallen25239 ай бұрын
Can a roller be used for gel coat if sprayer not available
@timberboatworks9 ай бұрын
Gel coat contains styrene which dissolves foam. If you purchase solvent resistant rollers they can be used but will leave significant texture that would have to be sanded and cut/polished away after. Bristle brushes will also leave some texture. You can spread gel coat with a squeegee or trowel if the surface is relatively smooth, if not a bristle brush has to be used.
@sammax2125 ай бұрын
How long between coats were you spraying?
@tiredofit14292 ай бұрын
Is it possible to gel coat a 17 foot canoe in one shot? How quickly does the nonwax type dry?
@MrDWCallahan2 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks for the tutorial. I have a rather large scratched area to repair on a red sailboat. How did you match the gel coat color so well? Thank you.
@keithnp519 ай бұрын
A picture is worth a thousand words! Thanks!
@JCSfaceless11 ай бұрын
Sterling
@danschmitz469911 ай бұрын
What are advantages other than looking great?
@timberboatworks11 ай бұрын
Graphite undercoating is an hard slippery surface, so rocks and other sharp impacts do not penetrate deeply and potentially damage the fiberglass hull and it also reduced resistance in the water making the craft more efficient. The cost of doing the coating is about $15 and it greatly increases the lifespan of the hull.
@scottgorman7166 Жыл бұрын
Why didnt you use fine line tape? The demarcation line would be a lot thinner where it meets the varnish.
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
I haven't worked with line tape in the past but I am certainly willing to give new techniques a try. The electricians tape has a higher edge and can handle the heat of the epoxy as it cures without bleed through. The three coats of graphite powder in epoxy are about 1mm thick, the three coats of varnish are also about 1mm thick. I think its a good idea and I will give it a try. Thank you for the idea.
@scottgorman7166 Жыл бұрын
@@timberboatworksFine line tape is a plastic strecthy tape used in automotive painting to demarcate lines, pin stripping etc. I used it in the past on waterline separation, boot stripping and when i epoxied the upper hulls on small boats. It is not a cheap tape but boy it is effective......good luck....by the way the black bottom paint looks great with the upper hull natural. I may try this on my S&G build this spring. How much graphite powder(% to epoxy) did you use for coating the bottom...my boat is 16ft, 25" wide.
@mountdoomee Жыл бұрын
@timberboatworks what's the purpose of the graphite? Is that the same stuff that people use to lubricate locks?
@edwardpardy7866 Жыл бұрын
She held up pretty well. Does the epoxy soak through the paper and cause a problem if you spill?
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
Yes. Regular paper will allow some epoxy to transfer. Wax paper or butcher paper (as seen in the video) has a wax coating that resists epoxy. Its always best to wipe up epoxy drips with acetone even on the paper.
@mountdoomee Жыл бұрын
Can full boats be painted with epoxy?
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
Yes. Epoxy will offer water proofing depending on the quality and type of plywood. Fiberglass with epoxy will add strength and durability. Epoxy still needs varnish or paint to protect from UV damage.
@mountdoomee Жыл бұрын
@@timberboatworks awesome, thanks so much! Did you have to thicken this epoxy at all so it didn't run/sag?
@andreacavazzin7489 Жыл бұрын
Total weight?
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
36 pounds. 16 feet in length, 22 inch beam, 275 pound carry capacity. www.timberboatworks.com/collections/touring/products/solace-16ex
@brandonm9359 Жыл бұрын
The varnish really made the carbon fiber pop!
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, any excuse to use carbon fibre is worth it. Its just thin application of polyurethane varnish for UV stability. Thank you for the comment.
@CanadiansinKayaks Жыл бұрын
This has got to be the best kayak repair video I have seen yet.
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I hope that it has been helpful, there will be more repair and build videos in the future.
@edwardpardy7866 Жыл бұрын
Decent. Nice lines.
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
Yes, this model is far more aggressive than our other kayaks. We are looking into a skin on frame conversion for this kit as well.
@edwardpardy7866 Жыл бұрын
First rock on that canoe would have me bawling lol. Nice application.
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
Sadly this canoe was lost on the highway on its way back to the client. The stem on the bow was crushed. The client has since fibreglassed and varnished the damage. Thank you.
@edwardpardy7866 Жыл бұрын
Not long enough video guys.
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
I promise there is more to come for this Quick Build 14 as we get set to release this new design. Thank you.
@edwardpardy7866 Жыл бұрын
@@timberboatworks I'm suggesting a showcase trip up to the canoe circuit in Lac La Biche featuring your products and builds. Lovely scenery, great fishing, and epic wilderness. I'll chat more in person in a few weeks, got some ideas to run by you. Love your builds so far.
@abdelkrimfadel9394 Жыл бұрын
Professional❤
@davejoseph5615 Жыл бұрын
So does the final layer of gelcoat need the wax additive or can you simply put paste wax on top of non-wax gelcoat?
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
If you are looking for a smoother application of gelcoat with less refinishing then air dry is added to the gelcoat mixture during application. If you are creating a air tight barrier other materials like wax, plastic, tape, acetate, pva or wax paper can be placed on the surface after application. This will leave far more texture and will require more sanding instead of just polishing the surface.
@davejoseph5615 Жыл бұрын
@@timberboatworks I am looking to refinish/refurbish a kayak which has scratches down to the fiberglass but I don't know if I need to buy both gelcoats (with and without wax).
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
Waxed Gelcoat will cure hard every time you add the catalyst. This means that every layer that is applied must be scuff sanded and sovent wiped to remove the wax on the surface. Unwaxed Gelcoat can be applied in multiple coats and on larger surface areas because each layer remains tacky until the final air tight barrier (as mentioned in the previous comment) is added to force all the lower layers to cure (this is called "kicking down.") If you are new to applying gel coat purchasing a waxed gelcoat will generally be easier to use but will require the sanding and de-waxing step every coat.
@davejoseph5615 Жыл бұрын
@@timberboatworks Okay, thanks!
@michaeltowler26326 ай бұрын
Firstly I know virtually nothing about fiberglassing. A boatbuilder who builds kayaks as well, was complaining to me when I asked about that sort of thing, about people coming in for him to refurbish their skis who have done DIY repairs on their skis hull outside who used the flowcoats that have the wax. He said they go yellow over time and it gives more work to fix.
@overdue8004 Жыл бұрын
Great video. After being impaled by a submerged root I'm faced with a similar repair. Are the stitching wires composed of the same plastic material?
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
No they are a thin gauge steel wire so that the adhesive doesn't glue them into the plastic permanently. Zip ties and other things can be used, but they are difficult to retrieve once the inside is fiberglassed.
@overdue8004 Жыл бұрын
@@timberboatworks Thank you for clarifying that! I wasn't sure whether or not the ties stayed in or not after the gluing. I assume you pull them out with pliers?
@jerryw5225 Жыл бұрын
Was wondering how I was going to finish mine. Thanks for the great idea.
@dvokat264yk Жыл бұрын
очень хорошо
@cutty-sark Жыл бұрын
Is there anyway to repair a punctured hole? I have a 12.10 with a 3" to 5" hole and some cracks.
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
Yes, we sell a Delta Repair kit that has the glue that i've used in the video along with fiberglass. Its easiest to try and use the broken pieces of thermoform from when the hull was damaged. Molding new pieces is challenging. A pure fiberglass repair can also be done if the thermoform is prepped correctly and the correct adhesive is used.
@jafinch78 Жыл бұрын
How would ABS and Acetone applied perform compared to this method? Seems the fiberglass method won't hold up as well and even plastic welding is a better method, especially ironing in stainless steel screen over the breaks.
@jafinch78 Жыл бұрын
Looks great though, nice work!
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
Generally ABS is very flexible. Since the material is fractured and kinked the load has to be backed by another material internally. A layer of ABS behind the damage would work, but does need to be moulded to shape and will add weight. I saturate 6 ounce fiberglass with the Delta manufacturers adhesive so that it remains thin, light and smooth. We dont want any sharp edges inside the bulkheads that could damage gear. Thanks for your comment.
@jaclynsjaunts2530 Жыл бұрын
We are watching this video on repeat as we try to diy repair ours. Thank you for the clear video and instructions!
@timberboatworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching. As long as you are using the correct adhesive for ABS plastic your repair will be a success.