I removed the built in atu from a parts transmitter and I'm going to try to build an outside atu . When you were up on the roof I noticed the area looks bare and desert type environment , not the best ground conductivity .
@bob4analog3 күн бұрын
Yes, you are correct. The signal is very directional in the SE direction, because the power line that runs from the pole to my house is the same direction. no doubt, the RF is following the power line. 😉
@timmack241516 күн бұрын
Great job and great build. Of course, it is highly illegal to attach anything to your electric service entrance bulkhead.
@patuxenthistory641019 күн бұрын
My Talking House has a range of 6 miles using the built-in tuner and connected to an outside antenna . The transmitter sits at the top of the window and a tiny hole drilled to get the wire to the antenna at the edge of the roof . The outside antenna is 7 foot long .
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@lobbylloyd351CJАй бұрын
It was interesting to see the voltage drop under load you were getting of 5-600 volts. I got the same result using a pair of MOTs in parallel in a linear amp I constructed. One thing that concerned me is that it might effect the linearity . A two tone test saw a decnt waveform on the scope and I have not had any complaints so far about it on air so I guess I will keep going with it until a proper plate transformer comes along. The voltage regulation of MOTs is pretty awful to say the least.
@bob4analogАй бұрын
You are correct. MOTs are designed for constant load as with uW ovens and irregular mains voltage. Terrible power factor too, and they need air flow as they will get Hot. Not exactly ideal for linear amps, but they will work, just not well regulated as you stated. 73
@johnhess3512 ай бұрын
Very concise video. Will basic same setup work ok with a 17m vert with flat radials on a flat metal roof? My goal is to have enough adjustment to get the impedance high enough without use of balun, elevated radials or elevated base much above 9 ft high metal roof.
@bob4analog2 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yes, it should work. A balun shouldn't be needed, but maybe a similar method of matching like the gamma match shud work. I haven't worked with 18 mhz, so i don't have a sure answer. I just made this antenna, coz i wanted to see if i cud load into a grounded radiator at 27 mhz, and it worked.
@Electronics-n2w2 ай бұрын
Very nice explanation sir.
@voiceofjeff3 ай бұрын
Former commercial station owner here. I had an FM and 2 AMs. Please be careful using made up call signs. Ive dealt personally with the FCC. They dont play around, and you dont want to get on their bad side! Just make up another name, like "K-Rock" or "Bob-FM" and go with that. Good luck.
@bob4analog2 ай бұрын
It's not my station, i just made the vid of it. But thanks for the advice just the same. 👍
@rosegreen99113 ай бұрын
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@valeka23 ай бұрын
Nice video. What was the input voltage level that produces those 67W RMS in the output. Thanks
@bob4analog3 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you liked it. The input was ~973 mV, which is what the amp was strapped for. However, i was able to increase the gain by bridging the 1k shunt resistor with a 680 ohm, which is now ~320 mV for full output. www.circuitbasics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/LM3886-Datasheet.pdf
@dalenassar91525 ай бұрын
...surprised you didn't blow a MOSFET. With a 12v battery (about 7AH) the 2000w ZVS should get all that stuff red hot! THANKS FOR THE VIDEO!!!
@W4BIN5 ай бұрын
Who wants to put an AM radio station on, with the extremely high noise levels at these frequencies, these days. I always use a SS pulley and a sash weight instead of springs. (with Dacron cordage) Ron W4BIN
@bob4analog5 ай бұрын
QRM is rediculous these days and there's no excuse for it. Sad that our regulatory agency (FCC) has allowed it to get to this level. Doesn't appear they're doing anything to stop it either. 73
@RobBrown07196 ай бұрын
Can't go wrong with your videos Bob. Why does it take me so long to find your TH videos?? I did the mod replacing the modulator in the other video and was very pleased with the results. Now onto this project. Just received some of the components I was missing. I found a slightly different enclosure that is close to what the Talking House comes in off Amazon. I also splurged and got the same HOPESUN meter on the Talking House. Being in Canada I can't get the range extender so I'll DYI it. $ 450 USD is $ 615 CDN so even some shipping costs I'm maybe $ 150 all in. My approach on the antenna is going to be an aluminum rod from Home Depot. Now knowing the physical size of the TH Range extender, I would have been a little shocked when I opened up the $ 615 box.
@bob4analog6 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad it works for you. Yeah, they charge WAY too much for their Range Extender! Especially after i seen the circuit, i was convinced that it's pitifully simple and would be easy to build. Just a thot about the Hopesun meter; the output of the tuning meter circuit may cause the meter to pin. Therefore, you may have to add a trimpot of some kind to adjust it. Otherwise, your meter is a great idea and would be far easier to read than the tiny meter i used on mine. Hope you can make a vid of yours, would love to see it. Let's get the word out. 😉👍
@RobBrown07195 ай бұрын
@@bob4analog Yes I noted the difference in the meter scale. Certainly I'll share a video of how mine turns out.
@ke4asc6 ай бұрын
Part 15 requires no FCC license, there should not be a call sign, that could get you in trouble.
@bob4analog6 ай бұрын
Relax, Frank.. take a chill pill!
@ke4asc6 ай бұрын
@@bob4analogI'm all out, however, I'm getting ready to look over my part 15 setup, look at better antenna options.
@bob4analog6 ай бұрын
Rogers on that 😃👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaupmXmvntKXirMsi=hrfLBW9-VxYmpKdw
@voiceofjeff3 ай бұрын
Former radio station owner here. I had an FM and 2 AMs; real stations, not part 15. Yeah, I'd be careful using made up call signs. I've dealt personally with the FCC, and they don't play neither do they smile!
@bob4analog2 ай бұрын
Altho it is interesting that the fcc does not regulate the content of transmission. For it is written, "Content of the broadcasts are not restricted by the FCC regulation." wnaram.com/2021/04/part-15/ 😉
@jeffmay4617 ай бұрын
Interesting. I have a TH5.0 I'm looking to do this with. It appears to be the same circuit overall. One question / clarification. At the beginning of the video you show removing TR308 (which I do not find on the circuit board) - but later in your "post-op" walkthrough you show TR304 as being removed, and this corresponds to what I see on both your board and on mine. Also, in the beginning you show the lead from LK1 as being tied to D308, but in the final walkthrough you show it tied to the cathode side of D307. I'm guessing the walkthrough on your actual board is correct, Just making sure I'm not missing something. Also interested in looking at your outdoor antenna as the indoor antenna picks up hum and induces it back into the audio.
@bob4analog7 ай бұрын
The hum/buzz issue you mentioned maybe a phantom hum. Are you hearing the hum off air? Is it a hum or a buzz? I've had the same issues with mine. The perceived Hum and buzz is usually caused by power line noise being superimposed on the received signal. It's not being put back in the transmitter. It's very misleading. One of the biggest offenders are cell fone chargers. They make a lot of electrical noise that gets into the 120v house power and interferes with AM reception. Usually, it's only heard around the house, but I don't hear it on the car radio. I've installed plug-in AC line filters at the offending sources of noise and it mitigates the hum buzz problem. I'll also recommend grounding the transmitter to a solid electrical ground post or a metal cold water pipe. AM transmitters usually need a good RF ground. You're also correct about TR304. I made a mistake when i called it TR308.
@relicofgold7 ай бұрын
I just got a copy of QUEUES again after not having it for ages. I bought it in 1972 because of the synths in this song. My "new" copy came with physical sheet music of 3 songs: VIRGINIA, MISSISSIPPI LULLABY, MEN OF LEARNING. I bought QUEUES again because my fav song on it, AN INVItAtION is one I wish to reproduce. I am trying to contact Jeff Wayne to see if said music is original. Fortunately, a FB friend knows Jeff! I hope to speak with Jeff as I have some questions for him. Like what is the popping sound in VIRGINIA. Sounds like someone slapping their cheek!
@bob4analog7 ай бұрын
The popping sound was likened by many to a finger being pushed and pulled out of a bowling ball. 😆 ya never know, it's crazy enuff to be just that. Hope you get in touch with Jeff. That would be interesting to know how they got that sound.
@karlbythesea8 ай бұрын
What if the output sounds blown out when plugged?
@Music-zh7fm7 ай бұрын
Pluged into what, an amp?
@juststeve76658 ай бұрын
The MC1496 is a Balanced Modulator IC not an "AM Modulator"... the circuit that unbalances the modulator and (re)inserts the carrier is what makes the output AM. Most Ham radios use this method of generating AM unlike most CB radios with the exception of a small few.. Also it's useful to have the balance/unbalance circuit available on a potentiometer to adjust the carrier and modulation level.
@bob4analog8 ай бұрын
Indeed. While this might be true, it's kinda referred to as an AM modulator, much the same way an "RF Modulator" seems to refer to a coverter that goes between your tv and your vcr. So, technically, it's not an AM modulator. However, check this out... ecedmans.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/am-modulators.pdf It's all relative. 😉
@jimreid319 ай бұрын
Your coil part number shows as LSA680-470 which is the flat coil and ferrite bar, but your tuner looks like it's using LSA680RR, the round version. Can you verify which part number is correct?
@bob4analog9 ай бұрын
Well, you caught me on this one. 😊 I wasn't real concise, as I was in a hurry to get the video finished and was mostly for illustration. You are correct, the coil is a LSA680-470. I reshaped it by squeezing the coil until it was round. Then I used half of a round ferrite with a nylon screw epoxied to the end of it. The design itself is not critical. You can use the LSA680-470 coil and just slide the ferrite bar in and out to tune it. Experiment with the different taps on the coil to get the best tuning. The heart of the circuit is mostly with the RF transformer I mentioned in the video. Build it, it should work fine. 😉👍
@carolriley939211 ай бұрын
You sir, are my hero
@knifeswitch5973 Жыл бұрын
Holy Modulation! This thing actually will get out there when you give it something to chew on. My hat off to you sir! I put it on my cleanest power supply I have and just wow. Thankyou for this and may the circuit-bender gods smile upon you.
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear the mod worked good for you! Also just added another vid on how to make the talking house outdoor antenna.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaupmXmvntKXirMsi=V5TiHi3EIBW50bjx
@davidfalconer8913 Жыл бұрын
With the ( sad demise ? ) of AM ... this is a GR8 project ! .... DAVE™🛑
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Dam shame the state of AM radio. It's survival (or lack of) has become a political mess, when it shouldn't be.
@davidfalconer8913 Жыл бұрын
The MW and LW are being abandoned because the broadcast transmitters use so much power ... maybe they could have some ( legit ) amateur slots ? ............ DAVE™ 🛑@@bob4analog
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
Yes, could be for the hams at some point, also for the hobby broadcasters under the Part 15 FCC rules. Right now, it's all up in the air.. nobody seems to know what to do with it. I still think there's hope for AM, only time will tell. Let's hope for the best! 😉👍
@adriancressy8363 Жыл бұрын
YESSIR OK you can save us $450 for the store-bought version. Thanks for the links to get those secret parts!!!
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it. You might also like the mod I made on the Transmitter: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ62i6FrmLWLa6csi=EUASfJmfJoUDEFk2
@Joe_VanCleave Жыл бұрын
Radio cruise!
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
Yes! 😉
@lox_5017 Жыл бұрын
Why is all this trouble for the AM band. I'm 61 and grew up with standard AM station and never thought twice about the low quality of audio it produced. I much prefer the FM STEREO reception over AM any day of the week. When I use to listen to AM on my stereo back then I use to DX alot of radio stations from other states and that was fun.
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
It's a broadcast hobby. It has very little to do with how AM sounds, but that it's legal under Part 15. Not sure if this is what you were addressing.
@tonyfulford31758 ай бұрын
This is geared towards people that restore antique radios. It is nice to have an AM broadcast source to be able to enjoy them once they have completed the restoration. If you are not aware antique radios, were around before FM radio was even invented.
@kinura26 Жыл бұрын
Great video can you do the hi fi mods to the unit with ought using the the expensive Optimod unit ?
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
Not sure i know what you mean by hi fi mod, but the modulator mod in this vid superceedes anything the the newer Talking House transmitters have, which i demonstrated in the vid. However, if you're referring to audio processing, no. The only thing discussed in this vid was modifying the modulator in the transmitter to obtain the best possible modulation comparable to real AM stations. Audio processing is a seperate issue and left up to the user to decide on using. However, there is some great software processing designed for AM that works great, like Stereo Tool ( www.thimeo.com/stereo-tool/ ) or the free version ( www.flux.audio/project/stereo-tool-freeware/ ). Hope this helps. 🙂
@kinura26 Жыл бұрын
@@bob4analog yes it helped a lot that you
@minibikemadman Жыл бұрын
I'm trying to do coughcough 100 watts down around 6975. I might have to pick up one of those optimods to get started.
@wallychambe1587 Жыл бұрын
Hooked one up to one side of the telephone wire when I was a teen, got out about a mile!😁😁
@vk3ye Жыл бұрын
Looks like a well set up station. What distance did you end up getting?
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
About a mile out, we could barely hear it, but the effective range is more like 1000 feet or so. It did pretty good for Part 15.
@fiercefeline5096 Жыл бұрын
If it's Part 15, why are there call letters? What is the actual distance you are getting from this transmitter?
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
Call letters are just a gimmick, they're not official. We traveled bout a mile and could barely hear it, but the effective range is probably more like 1000 feet or so.
@patuxenthistory64103 күн бұрын
The range is low partly because of poor ground conductivity. I'm not trying to put anyone down . Installing these low power transmitters directly to a metal fence isn't a good idea, it tends to weaken the signal. High power AM stations rf energy is totally shielded from the Earth . The towers sit on ceramic insulators ,including all feed lines such as audio . The best way to mount low power transmitters is on PVC pipe or non conducting pipe . If the feed wires go underground , then place them in PVC pipe that are glued together to prevent water intrusion . Braid two wires two wires together , one wire can be used for the Earth ground lightning protection and the other can be hooked to a small radial system , maybe an inch below the surface . The Earth ground wire should have a surge protector . The fence does provide a good counterpoise but the antenna by what I can tell in the video is only an inch from the antenna ,. The RF will couple with the fence and weaken the signal . The Rangemaster box appears to be metal , that too will connect with the metal fence and weaken the signal. The transmitter doesn't have to be located really high above the fence , maybe a foot . Part 15 am transmitters can generate a very sold signal and cover many miles but it really takes a massive effort to accomplish it . People underestimate part 15 transmitters because of such low power .
@vsmichael1 Жыл бұрын
I see it was a 6 turn now it’s 5. Mine is already a 5 turn. ???
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
4 or 5 turns is good. As long as the resistors don't get hot operating on 28mhz, its good.
@DJPhantomRage Жыл бұрын
Wish i seen this modification beforehand. I just got a procastor and could have found one of these and did the modifications.
@JeebusDumonti Жыл бұрын
So cool to see someone from my deep past still making music. Hey Bobby Tourville always admired your work on that bass. Bobby Henry I only knew of back in the day, but nice song there.
@badabadabingbongnapier3056 Жыл бұрын
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@albertonavarro9249 Жыл бұрын
Hello, how to connect the oscilloscope to measure the modulation? Thank you
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
I am using a Kikusui COS6100M 100 Mhz Oscilloscope with 2 x10 scope probes. I connect channel 1 to the audio source, and channel 2 to the RF output, then press the X-Y button. This makes the trapazoid pattern. Both channel input levels may need to be adjusted on the scope to display a good trapazoid pattern. - RF output (Pin-12 MC1496) to scope Vertical input - Audio source (Pin-1 MC1496) to scope Horizontal input Here is a pic that shows more on how to set up your scope for trapazoid: www.tpub.com/neets/book21/0130.GIF Hope this helps.
@albertonavarro9249 Жыл бұрын
Thanks friend @@bob4analog
@N2Stooges Жыл бұрын
What version of Talking House did you modify? 4.6? 5.0? Does a version 5.0 benefit from these modifications?
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
I did the mod on i think it was a 4.8 and a 5. I dont remember moding a 4.6. It may be slightly different, but not much. From what ive found so far, all the TH models are based on the same schematic, so they're all similar. Do you have a 4.6?
@N2Stooges Жыл бұрын
@@bob4analog I don't currently own any TH device. I am considering purchase of a TH 5.0 and was curious if that version suffers from the same design deficiencies as the one you modified.
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
@@N2Stooges @N2Stooges I have mod'd a TH5. The 5.0 design does have increase bass response which was a good idea, but their design still suffers from a couple of shortcomings, like the lack of flat frequency response to 10 khz, insufficient PA voltage to make full 100% modulation, and the antenna auto-tune issue. The mod i made solves those issues. It completely bypasses the internal audio compressor, which gets in the way of adding your own audio processing. It's pretty much a straight, flat audio path from the input to the modulator, and it works. The test results i did in the vid demonstrates this.
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
I've looked thru my files and i did modify a 4.6M version. I don't know if there are sub versions of the 'M' suffex, but i did varify the the 4.6M is virtually the same as a 5. Ive got pics of the boards and other mods is you would like, I'll send you those. [email protected]
@izregistered Жыл бұрын
Will this modification work for the Kinter K3118TI?
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
Dunno, sorry, never tried it with the Kinter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@mufngruf Жыл бұрын
sure do love that Spedding sound....
@relicofgold7 ай бұрын
Is he bass?
@mufngruf28 күн бұрын
@@relicofgold that "choppy" rhythm part... and assorted licks.....guitar... and maybe bass as well.... and, of course, the outro...
I am planning to run a 24v 5 amp power supply it seems to be in spec with what the manufacture recommends its a 30 dollar amp so not to concerned either way... what do you think?
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
24v shuld be ok since the IC is rated for 26v max. The electrolytic capacitors in this amp are rated at 25v, so it's good. 👍
@maxeriousbrooks9807 Жыл бұрын
@@bob4analog so far so good I have not done the heat sink mod yet as the data sheet on the IC said it was not required for a 8 ohm load which is what I have hasn't got warm at all yet been on over a hour at half volume which is very loud with a set of polk T15 bookshelfs
@toddtourville984 Жыл бұрын
Sounding good fellas
@RobBrown0719 Жыл бұрын
Bob, I finally got some time and the parts and performed the modification. That certainly makes a difference as far as audio quality. I have a Carver TX-11a that I acquired from a studio rebuild a decade ago and a Sony SRF-A1 Walkman that are both AM stereo receivers. Although this is mono, the advantage is having those receivers are the wideband capability to really hear the difference this mod made. Even without the Optimod and just using the built in processing in automation software I have, it sounds really amazing. Now onto the antenna tuning.
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
That's great! Glad it worked for you. Congrats! 😉👍
@madmax2069 Жыл бұрын
I was originally looking at one of these, but instead I bought an SMSL AD18, paired it with the Micca MB42X, and a Micca MS10 subwoofer.
@brandonlaragirl Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I don't understand the purpose of the copper coil with capacitor. There's some sort of antenna tuner? Is that only necessary on quarter wavelength antennas? For my base station I have a half wavelength dipole. With none of that stuff. My SWR was better before I believe I moved and checked again and now it's high. Not a big deal I think I need to trim some off the end of the wires.
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
Good question. Under normal circumstances, a 1/4 wave ground plane is an ideal antenna and does not need anything for tuning it, just the proper length radials with the ground radials at the proper slope. However, such an antenna will behave differently mounted on the ground as opposed to on a pole in the air. The ground plane antenna i made is mounted on the ground, which caused tuning issues. That's why i made the tuning network, which demonstrates how they can be used to midigate such issues. The half wave dipole you spoke of is a good antenna too, but it's feedpoint impedance is generally around 72 ohms, not 50, which is ok, but it will cause a higher SWR. Also, if your dipole is horizontal and not at least a 1/4 wavelength from the ground, this too can contribute to higher SWR issues. These are just a few issues that can cause matching issues with antennas. 🙂 73
@brandonlaragirl Жыл бұрын
@@bob4analog ten four, thanks.
@madmax2069 Жыл бұрын
15:45 those are also quite expensive, a Raspberry Pi and thimeo Stereo tools would probably be a cheaper option, unless you can find one of those Orbans for the price of a Raspberry PI.
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
So true! I borrowed the optimod, i don't own it. Yes, stereo tools is great. I'm using that now. 👍
@madmax2069 Жыл бұрын
@@bob4analog I unfortunately received a Model II (which has a Model III board), there's probably not a lot to be done to get better audio out of the thing, but I mainly just play old time radio shows through it, no music.
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
As i recall, there's not much difference in the TH boards. If the board in yours looks similar to the 1 in the vid, i think it can be mod'd the same way. I can send you some detailed diagrams if that will help. [email protected]
@madmax2069 Жыл бұрын
@@bob4analog email sent
@madmax2069 Жыл бұрын
@@bob4analog sent you pictures of the board in mine, it's similar, but has some components yours doesn't have, and mine lacks some components yours has. I take it that the black box on the board on the tuner is some kind of ferrite choke or something?
@user-su5sq5ib3i Жыл бұрын
This is awesome! Can you tell me where you hook up the x probe and y probe> I would love to try the trapezoid pattern test!!
@bob4analog Жыл бұрын
I have ch-1 on RF output and ch-2 on audio input. My scope has an X-Y switch, that when selected, displays a trap pattern.
@bamaslamma1003 Жыл бұрын
Power factor is probably better and it probably runs a lot cooler than a rewound MOT. Nice soft start circuit. The 0.68 ohm resistor limits startup current to about 7.3 amps based on the cold filament being like a dead short.