You speak for this inveterate carless pedestrian and bikerider, Christine. Thank you! (Also, you're ageless. It's astonishing to see you as you were more than twenty years ago already.)

Thanks for sharing your perspective Christine!

Nevermind my previous comment! You already reviewed the QH If it goes well, you can become "Car Free in Tern-essee"... I'll see myself out...

I test rode the globe haul and was largely unimpressed for the price. Coming from someone who regularly rides high end mountain bikes I went with a radrunner and am happy with my purchase. I dont find gears necessary on an ebike if you’re remotely fit. I’ll be swapping the brakes on the radrunner for 203 rotors and shimano saint brakes. I’d say that was the globes high point.

I think the specialized globe haul LT would fit you really well.

I think your 3/10 for the lectric is spot on. Pros: - Excels at the basics, - Good range (batteries have to charge separately), - Great load capacity (have been comfortable moving 400 lbs of load multiple times), - Free good accessories - VERY upgradeable/common parts Cons: - Very heavy (130 lb wife cant operate it) very well, to the point where she is afraid of it especially with a kid and cargo added to it. - Dangerously wobbly kickstand/often breaking the kickstand bracket welds, (We rectified with a custom milled top plate, and a specialized haul lt kickstand for $170 that some amazing people on facebook figured out/orchestrated a group buy) - Bike needs more frequent maintenance for cheap parts (handlebar stem goes loose every 20 miles, everything creeks/squeaks and requires constant messing with, - Every part being a budget choice means your $1600 bike is going to become a $2200 bike after you upgrade things yourself Overall - this was an AMAZING purchase for us, and has proven the cargo bike is a lifestyle change for us and not a hobby, and I look forward to giving this to a family member when I can afford a higher end bike (I really like the Tern's, and the Bakfiets that are in the 5k to 8k range look amazing, too, if i can swing it). We are about to pull the trigger on a tern quick haul p9 which you can get for 2450 here with a state ebike subsidy.

now that you have the Abound, how does that compare to the quick haul? solved your hill climbing problems or no? The new Quick Haul Long has a new motor at 85Nm.

This was great, thank you! I appreciated the thoughtful, subjective quality rating.

Pedego Stretch

Does it really feel premium? Or is the XPedition good enough for cheaper?

I have the AiPAS A6-D. It's a dual battery class 3 cargo bike and very similar to the XPedition. My main issue with it is high-speed wobble. The step through frame is flexible and the slack head\steering tube angle results in a significant wobble at ~23 MPH and accelerating. It takes at least one hand firmly gripping the handlebars to control it. The bike is fine if you keep it set to class 2 and under 20 MPH. You should test your cargo bikes for for high-speed wobble. I have heard that it is a common issue with long cargo bikes with slack head angle. The slack head angle is intended to make the bike more stable by increasing the self-correcting force on the steering, but sometimes results in oscillation. The slack head angle can also cause what feels like overly aggressive turn-in, but you quickly get used to it.

Thank you for your detailed review. So healing and helpful! I was surprised that you took the bike to shop in the walmart. Do other groceries like wholefoods allow small bikes come in? I think it will be so fun to grocery shop with quick haul but worried to park outside since it is expensive.

You list the Lectric Xpedition bike as having a range of 150 miles and a price of $1,699. I think you're a little bit confused, because in order to get the 150 mile range you must buy the dual battery version which is close to $2,000 in price

Test rode the Specialized, very quality & fast for its category.

Unless you have to carry the bike up some stairs or something, I wouldn't give so much weight to the weight... (see what I did there?). The (MUCH) bigger motor of the Globe Haul should more than make up for the bike's weight. I did this same matrix, and nothing beat the Globe Haul, in my opinion...

Thank you for this overview! I've been stuck between the quick haul and globe as well. I think I'm going with the quick haul over longevity and repairability concerns. I like that ebikes with a Bosch system have such a seemingly large and stable market for electric part replacements whereas if the electrical system were to fail on the globe I don't know how I'd start to fix it.

The abound is currently $1800 and includes extras including an extra battery. I want to do cargo in an emergency. Otherwise just tooling around. Speed over 20 is not important to me. I have a bigger faster bike that I’m probably keeping. I think it’s a pretty good deal right now. What do you think? P.S. I ignore paid reviews and can smell one a mile away.

Had mine for 2 years now and I’m still perfectly happy with it 😊 It‘s robust, nothing ever broke, runs smooth as ever. I bought the front rack and the Paniers on the side. Perfect for all kind of shopping needs! 👍🏻 But it’s really a city-bike only! It has no shock absorbers at all, so you‘ll feel each and every bump on uneven surfaces.

The Globe Haul’s rear rack is good for 132 lbs (60kg). They admit on their site that it’s mis-labeled as 40kg. With a lot of these bikes they’ll list pretty high cargo capacity but when you take into account rider + bike + accessories you’ll never be able to hit the max weight of the rack before you’re over the GVWR.

I was bummed when I found out you didnt release the abound video! :( hope you're doing okay!

Good attempt - but the "according to science" needs improvement. First of all, some of the data is mixed up - for example some bikes have motor watts mixed up with battery watt-hours. For example, the Tern (spelled with an "e", not "u") Quick Haul, has a 250 W continuous rated motor (which is rated in accordance with European standards), not a "400 watt motor". Its battery is 400 watt-hours, which is smaller than most and range will be limited. Some data is just wrong. For example, the Tern HSD S11 has 75Nm of torque, not 80Nm. As an aside, and for science, the motor watt ratings are virtually meaningless. They are typically peak ratings made up by the marketing department and are usually representing the motor watt consumption, not motor output to the wheel. Think LED 10 watt bulb light output vs an incandescent 100 watt bulb. Torque, (Nm) is the only motor measurement that has some kind of meaning. But, you should realize that the mid-drive motors can use the bicycle's gearing to multiply the torque, vs a hub drive which drives the wheel directly. So a less powerful mid-drive might out climb a hub motor of the same torque rating. You did not get into it much, but the weight ratings usually include the bike's weight, so a bike rated at 330 lbs sounds like a lot, but really isn't once you deduct the 70 to 80 pounds for the bike weight. Personally, I'd not buy a cargo bike with a weight rating of less than 400 lbs. I do think your final result is decent. The Specialized Globe Haul ST is a pretty darn good cargo bike for the money. But it is pretty heavy. The Globe Haul has been on sale recently (as many of these e-bikes have been) so an even better price.

the part where the coat is rear ending the other one in repetition is very funny! I Will resume my viewing of the reveiws

I’m not certain if it was out when you posted this, so possibly thats why you used the Haul ST instead of the LT, but I’m curious if the Haul LT wouldnt have won this comparison?

Thank you for all of your useful insight. I'm considering a class3 ebike as well and your point about the struggle with load helped me reframe my goals. Yes, I want an ebike that's fast, however, what I really need is an ebike that has the capability to maintain a reasonable speed with load. Plus, when it's loaded up, going too fast might be a bit dangerous.

What about the Benno Boost Speed? That would be a good one for you :)

Great interview. Keep it up. Cheers from Buffalo, NY!

Thanks for the great video! A couple notes: as someone else pointed out, after your video was released, Specialized re-rated the rear rack on the Globe to 60kg/132lbs, so that's a nice touch. Also, Tern does rate the Quick Haul with a GVWR (bike+rider+cargo) of 150kg/330lbs, but the 190kg/419lbs rating for the Specialized is just its carrying capacity (rider+cargo). Its true GVWR must be ~227kg/500lbs. In other words, if you could somehow strap it down, the Specialized could carry an entire max capacity Tern and still have 90lbs left over for a small rider 😅 No wonder its so heavy!

The Xpedition is actually the Best ..It's not as Refined as a Tern bike ..BUT It's More powerful, Higher Load Capacity,Frame was DIN Tested and Actually withstood about 600 Pounds with frames being stressed Literally Over thousands & thousands of times by machinery.. the double Articulating folding handlebars are excellent and make transporting inside a SUV easy.. quick release pedals .. I personally have had OVER 450 pounds on this bike numerous times and it Handled it with Zero issues and was easy to manage maneuvering and braking was surprisingly good even with all the extra weight I'm a good 300 pounds and with both Pannier side bags loaded resting on floorboards and some stuff on rear rack the Xpedition has surprised me with it's Quality and ruggedness. The dual batteries will average me throttle only about 50 miles .. however most of that is on paved/crushed limestone bike path with few hills traveling to parents..I only have 1 20% 1/4 mile hill to go up on this route..

So where's your review of the Aveton ??? Cheers

The trains were standing room only before Covid but everyone works from home now.

It's wired freedom or nothing right now for me. Yes, I want something that I can take my daughter with me as a passenger, and pick up little odds and ends that I need around the house, but I think I'm going to get tired of an e-bike that doesn't go over 25 mph pretty soon after buying it. If I did get one I mean. I just don't want buyers remorse!

I'm a little surprised you went for the Aventon. I've had the impression that it was of a lower quality, but I've never ridden one. I have a Globe Haul ST and it flies up steep hills (there are a lot of them where I live) with whatever I've loaded it with. I wonder if it has something to do with the Globe Haul having the motor in the rear hub instead of the mid-drive. A mid-drive loses about 10% of efficiency due to the chain. The closer you have the motor to the wheel the more efficient it is. I'll be interested to see how the Aventon works for you.

I bought the Globe Haul ST just before Fathers' Day this past year and I couldn't be more pleased. I've put nearly 900 miles on it carrying groceries and doing other everyday around town chores. The carrying capacity of the rear rack was misreported and has recently been updated to 132 pounds. The overall carrying capacity is 419 pounds (the weight of the rider and the cargo but not the weight of the bike). I now have a set of four "cool cave" panniers, a wire rack on the back and a rack on the front. It's a short tail so carrying a bail on hay on the rear isn't practical as you pointed out, but the few times I've need to carry something bigger I've pulled a Burley 2-wheeled cart. The short tail is better for me because I often have to lock it up or store it in tight quarters. Specialized now makes a Long Tail version, too. The warranty on ebikes especially is an important quality. I bought an ebike before the Globe Haul and the motor failed one month after the one year warranty expired. I lost an entire summer riding it trying to get the manufacturer to either fix it or replace it. Which they eventually did after I kept nagging them. The Globe Haul has a 2 year electrical warranty and a lifetime warranty on the frame. Tern makes great bikes. I'll be interested to see how yours works out for you.

Check out the FERLA LAGOM. It is a great long tail cargo bike. Not a well-known company.

I liked and enjoyed your video. Especially when you are not sponsored...I really like your voice and beard. Wanna date?...I'm not able to rear any children for you though. Subbed depending on your answer.😍

i have TERN S 10 IT ISA KEEPER

Did you get the D8 or the p9? How did it handle hills without the heavy loads? Thank you

Bike Friday Haul a Day is the lightest!

I have a HSD s11 and i get what you mean about hills. Hows it working out with the Abound? Really curious!

according to lectric's website the expedition is a class 2 not a class 3

Horrible bike. Bought one ( D5) six months ago. Nothing but issues. Assistance dropped a couple of times. Vendor claimed bike was ok. Then the nexus 5 started slipping. Vendor claimed bike was ok. But then, the bike completely locked up, broke the transmission, rear disk brake and completely knocked out the rear wheel. It's still at the vendor for repair now and it should fall under warranty but I think if I get it back, I'll sell it. Never rode it further than 3 miles because I couldn't trust it and would have to walk back.

have you taken a look at the long tail version of the specialized or was that never in the running?

I've had my P9 for about three weeks and I'm really happy with it. It's really changed how I get around and how I do things. It makes hills doable. Definitely wish I could go faster uphill (especially when I run out of juice) but more and more cycle ways are going on so it will get safer uphill.

Cali class 3 bike owner. I usually stay on the street. If I ever am on the sidewalk, it's usually at 12mph or slower. I don't use trails or bike lanes divided from the main traffic.

I only recognize specialist bike, all others never heard of before....there is too many bike manufacturers...

Great job!

re load capacity on the rear; the actual weak point is generally the axle. Check out the axles; they need to be big and beefy.

Nice bicycle!

I’m based in the PNW(Canada) and was considering the Quick Haul d8 and the Aventon Abound for ferrying my wife and me across the city. Was really tempted to get the Quick haul but ultimately decided against it because the primary purpose was for the bike to carry both of our loads. I quickly felt exhausted when on the Quick Haul but the Aventon was a breeze In comparison. Lots of hills where I live so I ultimately decided on the Abound. But man is it a heavy bike! I stay in a condo so need to drag that 80 pound giant every time I want to go outside. It’s in this one respect that I wish I’d gone with the quick haul but oh well

I have the Globe Haul, it’s awesome, and fast.