Mine was also very tight. But what I did was put some whey oil on the collets and just ran them up in there until most of my call seated nice and tight, but not too tight. You are a brave man lol. I probably would’ve tried to buy a precision bore hone
@Wkirkleyiphone2 ай бұрын
I don't think the part I enlarged has an affect on the collet's accuracy. If I am right, the process wasn't risky.
@Wkirkleyiphone2 ай бұрын
The machine functions well. I haven't noticed any excessive runout.
@stickycricket24 ай бұрын
How have they held up?
@Wkirkleyiphone4 ай бұрын
They have held up well, but realize I am not as young as I once was and so don't stress them as much as I may have in the past. The vise mounts get stressed the most with shear forces and have held up well.
@FarmsteadForge Жыл бұрын
What a great idea - work smarter not harder! Thanks for the video.
@Wkirkleyiphone Жыл бұрын
Thanks! It definitely makes moving that chunk of steel around easier!
@jjlester857 Жыл бұрын
I would really like to see more details on that hammer I really like the way it looks I'd like to see how it's put together..
@Wkirkleyiphone Жыл бұрын
I made a video showing the design details. In youtube search: Counterbalance Treadle Hammer Revisited
@Wkirkleyiphone Жыл бұрын
If you check out my channels, there are several videos showing the hammer. Search: "Treadle hammer tool rest" to see how the hammer can be adjusted
@bennyhill3642 Жыл бұрын
That's a Great Idea.. Big time saver rigjt there!!I love that treadle Hammer!!!. I was watching you use it and that thing has spool much mass. You don't need a big wide swing.. I'd guess you were using about a 6" thro and the camera was trembling lol..
@Wkirkleyiphone Жыл бұрын
Thanks! The jig for the fern works well.
@bennyhill3642 Жыл бұрын
That looks really good.. I'm sure you had a few hours of thought go into it.. Thank you Mr Bill for showing that hammer off for us!!!
@Wkirkleyiphone Жыл бұрын
It was a great project. I took a class from a near by blacksmith. He had the classic spring hammer. I like trying new things. A counter weight as opposed to springs looked like something to try. In the end it has been a great hammer.
@edwilliams9914 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for an informative video, a good fix, and a good test to prove the efficacy of the fix when questioned. I have been very interested in the 833 for my next mill but noticed something that had been pointed out on another site: that the 833 (incredibly) has no way to lock the spindle when you want to tighten or loosen collets. This seems like a big problem -- well to be fair, just a big annoyance. Every big mill I've worked on has a "real" spindle lock (like Bridgeport) and every small benchtop I've seen has something like wrench flats or (as on my Little Machine Shop mill) a .25" drilled hole for a tommy bar (which has worked just fine for the 10 years I've had that mill). I watched carefully and I didn't see you actually do a tool swap or collet swap, so I'm wondering how *you* handle this. Or am I just missing something here? You're clearly very much more experienced than me: can you see a reason why PM would have omitted either of those simple methods (a true spindle lock, wrench flats, or tommy bar hole) or some other means? And do you see any reason not to remove the spindle again and add wrench flats or a tommy bar hole. Is it a problem (or even an annoyance for you or is there some good way to handle this? Thanks again for great vids -- subscribed!
@Wkirkleyiphone Жыл бұрын
Thanks. You can lock the spindle using a spline wrench on the spindle and an open end wrench on the draw bar. Like you, I wish it was a lever like the Bridgeport. You have to take the cap off and I an careful to clean the wrenches so chips will not drop into the spindle. Overall, it's been a good machine. PM is ready and willing to help you with any problems you may encounter. My biggest gripe is the power feed on the X axis. You can't have a handle on the power feed end so if you are working from that end of the table it is hard to reach to the other end to move the table. All in all, I have no regrets.
@Lajwanmehndiartist11202 жыл бұрын
Very very super
@fairgolfer2 жыл бұрын
Nice job! Very well thought out and executed.
@Wkirkleyiphone2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MehmetBoysal2 жыл бұрын
Great idea Bill and thanks for sharing. Amazing how much power you can generate with the counterbalance principle.
@Wkirkleyiphone2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The only down side is the risk of hitting the posts if you are hammering freehand. That's why I only use it on the treadle hammer. This design allows for much greater diversity in tooling. With most guillotine tools you are restricted by the dimensions of the slot the tools slide through. For example I made a "V" swage and fuller tool that fits under the square cross members.
@KeepPrayingCA2 жыл бұрын
Was there sound to this video?
@Wkirkleyiphone2 жыл бұрын
Only at the end where the machine is driving the posts.
@dozernmike24232 жыл бұрын
What size is your exhaust pipe? Does it work well?
@Wkirkleyiphone2 жыл бұрын
The pipe is 8 inches. The box opening is about 7X7". I never tested the draw. It is connected to an exhaust fan so it works great! :-)
@brianholdsworth22482 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the most useless bit of film I ever seen on any form of post driving apparatus,
@logansmith61882 жыл бұрын
How does it work? You just hammer it down with the loader?
@Wkirkleyiphone2 жыл бұрын
I raise the Dingo's boom then rapidly lower the boom. This causes the tube to drive the post.
@axa.axa.2 жыл бұрын
Why didnt you just get the 5 year warranty service?
@Wkirkleyiphone2 жыл бұрын
To get the machine repaired I had the option of sending the whole machine back or take it apart and send the spindle back. Neither was appealing and would have resulted in weeks of downtime and shipping expenses. This solution was quick, and fun.
@DERWALDRUFT3 жыл бұрын
Seems to me that it is all about the hammer weight. I have a parallel - but not inline treadlehammer. Never missed that funktion but i'm always searching for more power anyhow
@Wkirkleyiphone3 жыл бұрын
I think I mentioned somewhere the hammer weighs 75#. The spring design hit harder than the teeter totter or counterbalance design. The counterbalance design hits hard enough for my purposes.
@farmerboy9162 жыл бұрын
@@Wkirkleyiphone My guess is because with a spring you have a resistance which starts low and ends high, allowing for a better buildup of momentum than a fixed leverage force?
@Forexfox993 жыл бұрын
Hey Bill, just thought I’d touch base with you after another year and see how your mill is holding up? Can you share any stories or experiences with your mill? Also, how do you hold or lock the spindle for tool changes? Regards, ScottyB
@Wkirkleyiphone3 жыл бұрын
The mill still runs true. I have had no problems. I still believe my experiment is correct and enlarging the upper portion of the spindle has no affect on performance. I am inot aware of a way to lock the spindle. I do not think there is a brake on the machine. I use a spline wrench for the spindle and an open end wrench on the draw bar. If there is another way to lock the spindle let me know. Bill
@shannonsloan72462 ай бұрын
Just put it in back gear
@cesarorionte50103 жыл бұрын
No es eficiente
@Wkirkleyiphone3 жыл бұрын
pero funciona bien
@thecuddaking3 жыл бұрын
You need to adjust the quill set screw for the r8 key way to slide in. Or maybe just turn the r8 collet to line up the set screw
@Wkirkleyiphone3 жыл бұрын
The collet wouldn't seat with the set screw removed. After boring the top portion of the spindle I inserted and adjusted the set screw. The machine runs well.
@christianstark10553 жыл бұрын
There is also a set screw in there that was probably preventing the collet from seating
@Wkirkleyiphone3 жыл бұрын
I removed the set screw and the collet still wouldn't seat.
@christianstark10553 жыл бұрын
@@Wkirkleyiphone sorry, I saw you removed later in video, but was unsure you tried it prior to boring. How do you indicate after? Any chattering due to overbore? That’s guts sir! :)
@Wkirkleyiphone3 жыл бұрын
No chatter. If you look at the end of the video, I did an experiment to see if oversizing that part of the spindle would affect stability. It did not.
@Cjsparkyable3 жыл бұрын
That’s fantastic. I’m waiting on a 833TV, so I’m learning all I can now so I can get it operational quickly once delivered. I think my first challenge will be solving for the draw bar with no gear head to switch to low.
@Wkirkleyiphone3 жыл бұрын
Hobby-machinist dot com has a section by PM that has threads on your machine. The participants are great at helping you out.
@BarrRunForge3 жыл бұрын
Best I've seen. Great work! Would love to see your plans. God bless.
@BarrRunForge3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Wkirkleyiphone3 жыл бұрын
Last I tried I couldn't post a link to the pdf file of the plans. They are in my dropbox account. Maybe this will work. To the beginning of the following string add dropboxdotttcom (I assume you know to substitute a "." for dottt. /s/phdeuo585fd15yy/Drawing%20Swage%20Block%20Stand.pdf?dl=0
@jasoncrossman26243 жыл бұрын
nice work!
@Wkirkleyiphone3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@yellowrice14533 жыл бұрын
Nice build. You should slightly round off the corners or something to reduce the 90degree corners on the cutting surface plate. Just to prevent an “ ouch” if bumped in to.
@Wkirkleyiphone3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I must admit I have bumped into many a corner in mu shop. I'll take your advice and round the corners
@emanusa14 жыл бұрын
now that's just overkill and over designed to do something so simple.
@Wkirkleyiphone4 жыл бұрын
Yes, kind if like a Corvette. I wasn't going for simple. I was trying a new idea. I enjoy that sort of thing. For me it's fun.
@schmiedepeter38814 жыл бұрын
Thank you, now I know how to forge a anchor.
@wonk764 жыл бұрын
Judging from the size of the chips, you increased the ID of the spindle bore by much more than .001-.002. Glad it worked out for you.
@Wkirkleyiphone4 жыл бұрын
As someone pointed out I was increasing the radius, not the diameter. So the diameter was double what I thought I was doing. Based on the design of an R8 insert I do not think the dimension I increased affects the stability of the insert. The experiment seems to agree.
@tinmanx22224 жыл бұрын
Good information. Enjoyed the video.
@Wkirkleyiphone4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@markfryer98804 жыл бұрын
Glad that I found this video Bill. I have come into possession of a rather heavy swage block for free from the school I work at and your video has helped to crystallize some ideas that were floating around in my mind. Thanks for sharing this video and the ideas contained within. Mark
@Wkirkleyiphone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad you found the video helpful.
@gregmcmurrey66404 жыл бұрын
You mentioned you had some spindle problems, what issues did you have with the spindle?
@Wkirkleyiphone4 жыл бұрын
In KZbin search "pm-833t spindle fix" and a video I posted should come up. Basically an Interstate collet wouldn't fit so I enlarged the upper end of the spindle
@Forexfox994 жыл бұрын
Hey Bill, how bout a mill walk around? It’s very hard to find any information about this mill. We need a review!
@Wkirkleyiphone4 жыл бұрын
Overall, it's a nice machine. I had some problems with my spindle and the backlash but I was able to work them out. Once I things were sorted out it has preformed well. I would buy it again. PM has great customer service. They go to great lengths to resolve problems.
@Forexfox994 жыл бұрын
We don’t have Precision Mathews in Australia, but I can order a Linmac mill that is belt driven. Looks like the same machine and I can order it with ball screws, which is kind of nice.......
@Wkirkleyiphone4 жыл бұрын
Scott Bathie I'm not familiar with that machine. The one I have is made in Taiwan as opposed to China, which is supposed to be a plus.
@Forexfox994 жыл бұрын
Well done Bill!
@Wkirkleyiphone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ericdennis62515 жыл бұрын
Can I ask what winch you used for this and if it is available to purchase somewhere? I am acquiring a 240lb swage block and this sort of system is really brilliant. Thanks for the video!
@Wkirkleyiphone5 жыл бұрын
It is a generic single speed winch I got at Northern Tools. Just Google "Hand Winch" and it will give you lots of options. As you might expect Amazon has them as well.
@Wkirkleyiphone5 жыл бұрын
One feature to look for is the ability to ratchet in both directions. It's not necessary but comes in handy
@ericdennis62515 жыл бұрын
@@Wkirkleyiphone Thanks for the reply. Yes, the ratcheting in both directions looks specifically useful. Thanks again,
@Wkirkleyiphone5 жыл бұрын
Thanks BentFingerGarage!
@surveywaters5 жыл бұрын
Looks surprisingly sturdy. Very clever solution.
@surveywaters5 жыл бұрын
Very cool Bill. Thanks
@Wkirkleyiphone5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@verdigrissirgidrev41526 жыл бұрын
seems pointless without springs. you're storing energy, but only for the upswing. downswing is decelerated by counterweight, not great.
@Wkirkleyiphone6 жыл бұрын
You do realize the springs serve the same function as the counterweight, they return the hammer to it's up position. On the "downswing" you are stretching the springs. The more you stretch them the more force you have to apply. With this hammer on the "downswing" you are lifting the weight, which is a constant force through the entire "downswing".
@verdigrissirgidrev41526 жыл бұрын
That is why you need spring action in both directions. One is for convenience/ergonomics, the other is to add power (speed) to the strike. There are some designs where you engage the treadle lever a little and let go - > hammer head lowers, then swings back higher than resting position -> 'downward' spring lengthens -> when the head reaches its apex position you fully engage the hammer, the spring compresses and you get a much more powerful blow.
@Wkirkleyiphone6 жыл бұрын
All of the spring hammers I have seen and used only have "spring action" in one direction, lifting the hammer. I have never seen one that pulls the hammer down.
@Wkirkleyiphone6 жыл бұрын
There is no question the spring design hits harder. I have tested both and know that to be a fact. The counterweight hammer is well suited for light to moderate work. The adjustable treadle and hammer head make it more comfortable to use.
@verdigrissirgidrev41526 жыл бұрын
There's this one www.spaco.org/Trdlhmr/MfrdTrdlHmr.jpg but more importantly this design: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpCzgoaugp1lmbc
@kylec57086 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the winch?
@Wkirkleyiphone6 жыл бұрын
I made it from scratch. I bought a hydraulic motor, the bearings, and machined the other parts.
@dimboolabladeworks79276 жыл бұрын
i've seen others do this the shorter way and now yours with the 10-1 ratio , this looks a lot more friendly , thanks for posting , its gotta be better than my way of board with a heap of nails hammered in over a pencil sketch .. cheers for Oz
@Wkirkleyiphone6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The spread sheet is a great way to get data for various ratios. I wanted a tighter scroll. The 10:1 ratio worked well.
@Wkirkleyiphone6 жыл бұрын
www.dropbox.com/sh/v7ekzqtfym82z8w/AACbNLtL5eANCqGgQFrrLvUSa?dl=0 This is a link to the plans. You need to modify them to fit your block.
@standaffern65956 жыл бұрын
Seems like a lot of fiddling around just to move a 200 lb swedge block. LOL Hope you don't mind me borrowing your idea.
@Wkirkleyiphone6 жыл бұрын
Yes, there is a fiddle factor. For us 100 pound weaklings, though, it’s all we can do! :-)
@The_Wandering_Woodster7 жыл бұрын
Thanks...been looking for something like this
@Wkirkleyiphone7 жыл бұрын
I added a brass rod to keep the cable from rubbing. There is a notch and E clip at both ends. I posted a photo in the show and tell section on the blacksmith dot org site. The thread is titled swage block stand.
@expatconn72426 жыл бұрын
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@tharnr48397 жыл бұрын
brilliant idea
@Wkirkleyiphone7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@relaxwithtomomusic33187 жыл бұрын
how heavy is the block
@Wkirkleyiphone7 жыл бұрын
The swage block weighs 125 pounds
@j.l.foster85727 жыл бұрын
A good idea. I've thought about doing this sort of thing myself sorta like a sideways fly press.
@j.l.foster85727 жыл бұрын
thanks for posting this.
@Wkirkleyiphone7 жыл бұрын
I liked it except for the forward thrust. I felt with time it would wear the hammer tracking wheels.
@damionlowther14748 жыл бұрын
as built as this is it looks like it wouldn't take much to add power to it.
@Wkirkleyiphone8 жыл бұрын
I don't think the rollers aligning the hammer would hold up.
@opinionattheready31258 жыл бұрын
Does this hit as hard as it looks like it does?
@Wkirkleyiphone8 жыл бұрын
As mentioned in the video it does not hit as hard as a spring hammer. However, it does hit pretty hard!
@jsigalas60388 жыл бұрын
This thing is ingenious. Nice job!
@Wkirkleyiphone8 жыл бұрын
+J Sigalas Thanks! It came in handy when I had to place a dozen railroad ties along a fence on the opposite side. It reached over nicely and set each in place without much effort.
@Wkirkleyiphone11 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I enjoy designing and making tools. The guillotine was fun because it was easy to make. The hammer was a great project but took almost 2 months to complete.