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@rickeydenton4917
@rickeydenton4917 4 күн бұрын
I am confused, what is the objective here?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply 4 күн бұрын
Watch the last two videos on my channel, they will explain it better. I've made so much progress.
@karmaduq
@karmaduq 8 күн бұрын
Let it rip, dude, let it sync ;)
@pakistaniraveasylum1396
@pakistaniraveasylum1396 11 күн бұрын
you could use basically this set up on an existing car by replacing the exhaust and sucking in air from side tubs like a venturi vacuum generator and making more power than the engine creating a vacuum engine. like a turbo but the turbo is bigger than the engine. rippen!!!!
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply 11 күн бұрын
that's the plan!
@pakistaniraveasylum1396
@pakistaniraveasylum1396 11 күн бұрын
@iEnergySupply you gonna be flying boi
@georgegreen3672
@georgegreen3672 19 күн бұрын
Is it possible for your 3D Tesla valve to have one end at standard atmospheric pressure and the other end at a near-vacuum pressure of 20 Pa?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply 19 күн бұрын
If the reversal is quick enough, but not with a constant flow.
@georgegreen3672
@georgegreen3672 18 күн бұрын
​@@iEnergySupply Therefore, if the Tesla valve has sufficient length and levels, it can be used as an open tubular flange with one end connected to the atmosphere and one end connected to the vacuum (pump).
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply 18 күн бұрын
@@georgegreen3672 Only if the reversals in flow are fast enough. Like it stops pulses of pressure very well but not continuous flow.
@georgegreen3672
@georgegreen3672 18 күн бұрын
@@iEnergySupply it looks like a composite of an inductor and a diode.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply 12 күн бұрын
@@georgegreen3672 I assume so, I don't know for sure though.
@Voided009
@Voided009 22 күн бұрын
Stirling engine fans (me) are punching the air right now, because it not a toy model and actually generates power.
@SolarSeeker45
@SolarSeeker45 28 күн бұрын
Adding one of these old school jet condensers could dramatically increase the power output of your turbine. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHOsnqlnotGWg8ksi=sR6NDLR8gPhUzkXq&t=3234
@philipparge8064
@philipparge8064 28 күн бұрын
The last stage of Megawatt scale steam turbines experience transonic flow for the steam present.
@beginnereasy
@beginnereasy Ай бұрын
I appreciate how relatively safe this is
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Never had a serious accident, but if I wasn't prepared for the worse when I was learning about all the dangers, I could have been seriously hurt.
@aetherflux
@aetherflux Ай бұрын
Have you guys tried or thought of using different fluids? Such as supercritical co2? For off grid that would be good to have backup fluid type options Thanks
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
We definitely want to explore using them in the future. However, I want to avoid supercritical CO₂, as the high pressures it requires would exponentially increase the system's costs.
@press1776
@press1776 Ай бұрын
Putting a steam engine on it would be the shit ... you could run it off a alcohol burner if would be a lot more quiet 🤫
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
our main turbine is very quiet in comparison, this is just a plastic one I built for fun! And the main turbine you can run with nearly any fuel!
@bansheeman213
@bansheeman213 Ай бұрын
Have you thought about using something like a turbo smart E gate to control your flow? If you used something like that then you could put a transducer on the turbine and even use Holly efi programming on a laptop to control it. Just a thought.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
We are going to use something similar to that.
@bansheeman213
@bansheeman213 Ай бұрын
@iEnergySupply the electronic turbo waist gate should be more than capable of running your system. You should be able to find several videos on the E gate. Should be the easiest to install and work with. Good luck.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
@@bansheeman213 ill take a look, we might use it in the future if what we already built has too many issues, I will be testing it hopefully by this week.
Ай бұрын
The Denser your working fluid is, the greater the energy that will be transferred to the disks. Increasing Disk mass and diameter will yield greater torque. Greater torque means lower speeds will yield greater power transfer from the working fluid. Think in terms of spiral tapering blades inside of a cone structure. Greater surface area yields greater torque and energy transfer. Interesting project!!
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! We've actually built and tested the 6" rotor with great success. Contrary to your point, we've found that higher speeds actually mean more power with less torque, although the torque is still quite substantial. The turbine achieves its greatest power output when the rotor is moving at half the speed of the working fluid. In a vacuum, the steam velocity is extremely high, which makes it feasible to extract energy at very high peripheral velocities. We've also designed and built an efficient high-speed dynamo that works exceptionally well with this setup, allowing us to achieve extraordinary power output. The combination of high speed, vacuum conditions, and our dynamo design really pushes the efficiency to the next level. Thanks again for the interest-exciting times ahead with this project! Let me know what you think.
@aetherflux
@aetherflux Ай бұрын
Very awesome. Keep up the good work
@linuxman0
@linuxman0 Ай бұрын
When you opened the valve to the big tank, I thought it sounded like you had liquid in the tank which comes from the moisture in the air. Obviously, you did and you have to drain that out once in a while. Nevertheless, good video about a Tesla turbine.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Actually I filled the tank up half way with water and heated the water up to add hot vapor to the compressed air. Don't worry though, I regularly test the tank over 150 psi with water so that there is no danger of explosion during testing.
@BORGLIFE
@BORGLIFE Ай бұрын
Add plasma reduce friction potentially find a quantum vacuum with the addition of plasma
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
How do you propose I add the plasma?
@BORGLIFE
@BORGLIFE Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupply plasma steam systems of which I don’t know much but I know steam allows for charge separation which is a key component of the magic of plasma. There are commercially available units found in Google. Other way include spark gap this might sound crazy but could you use the housing as a cathode and turbine discs as an anode ? Another way would be to generate EVO’s a form for plasma similar to ball lightning via shear and cavitation like Kladov or Cavitation by water hammer like Bin Huang. All the info for those systems is available on the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project on KZbin
@BORGLIFE
@BORGLIFE Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupply I forgot to mention the reason I said plasma is that by ionizing the wings of jets aka plasma they can go ultrasonic
@BORGLIFE
@BORGLIFE Ай бұрын
Weird my first reply didn’t stick. But I mentioned the work of Kladov, Bin Huang, Ken Shoulders, Matsumoto. They all in different ways created charge separation which led to the formation of EVO’s aka ball lightning. I also know that steam at certain temperatures is a state of water which generates charge separation. There are commercially available plasma steam units for many things. My favourite idea is make the housing the cathode and the discs the anode and pulsing HV AC with constant DC ! Bin Huang system uses steam recycling the water is key as the EVO’s build up and more of the magic happens. All the above mentioned is available on the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project has a Page on KZbin. Be sure to look through the Live Videos. Plasma is used by the military to go ultra sonic when you posted about breaking the sound barrier, I immediately thought wouldn’t that be something. Tesla was a big fan of plasma and ball lightning. Only makes sense that you make the steam plasma for his turbine
@BORGLIFE
@BORGLIFE Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupply I should mention it that a lot of these devices create strange radiation find videos regarding this on the Martin Fleischman Memorial projects page if you see any of these that you watch thosevideos on safety. Also, if you did ever pursue a system use cavitation ,implosions from cavitation are destructive precautions must be taken
@abbaruah9685
@abbaruah9685 Ай бұрын
It won't work
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Already tested it, and it works.
@PhillyEaglesFanatic
@PhillyEaglesFanatic Ай бұрын
Bruhhh what kind of shit are you on? What do you mean it won't work? Have you seen any of his videos? Are you just a deep state shill or bot?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
@@PhillyEaglesFanatic hahah love the comment!
@EugeneWangombe
@EugeneWangombe Ай бұрын
What are the discs made of?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
@@EugeneWangombe carbon fiber in this test
@ted_van_loon
@ted_van_loon Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupply interesting, self made? lightweight, resisting hihg rpm and being much more easy to make by hand than most metals. what expoxy or binder did you use in the carbon fiber(or what material you used at it, not as much interested in the speciffic brand as in the speciffic types since most brands which people on the internet use aren't available here(netherlands)), especially since many epoxies can't handle to high temperatures. similar to plastic.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
@@ted_van_loon I used a fairly generic carbon fiber I found online for this build. If I could source a high-temperature-resistant carbon fiber, it would be ideal. I did find a type rated for 500°F (260°C), but after testing, it turned out to be too weak. I made disks from it and spun a 6" diameter rotor up to about 33,000 RPM, but unfortunately, the disk failed and shattered under the stress. Interestingly, FR4 fiberglass has shown to be stronger in some of my tests, despite its limitations with temperature resistance. To avoid issues with heat and mechanical stress, I've switched to titanium for the larger 6" rotor during testing. While titanium is quite expensive, its strength and resistance to high temperatures make it an excellent material for these applications-especially when dealing with high rotational speeds and thermal challenges. It’s proven to be a real game-changer for this project.
@soul2065
@soul2065 Ай бұрын
Have you any efficiency tests results?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
In previous tests, we estimated an isentropic efficiency of approximately 99%, though this was a rough calculation. We are planning further testing with more accurate and precise measurements. While 99% may seem high, particularly when compared to other turbines of similar size, it is important to note that the overall thermal efficiency of such cycles tends to be relatively low. However, our goal is to significantly enhance the thermal efficiency as we continue to refine the system.
@cryptoalchemist369
@cryptoalchemist369 Ай бұрын
this is awesome work
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Thanks I like to consider it artwork sometimes :)
@FilterYT
@FilterYT Ай бұрын
Pretty cool Jeremiah, you've come a long way bro. Keep going!
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@DeVibe.
@DeVibe. Ай бұрын
What's a terubine?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
A terubine is a highly sophisticated machine that generates power using nothing but typos and awkward moments. Sadly, I haven’t perfected it yet... still working on spelling 😂
@aetherflux
@aetherflux Ай бұрын
Naw that's just the Japanese pronunciation!❤
@icaneki5026
@icaneki5026 Ай бұрын
One thing I'm wondering is, since you have to use electricity to use the compressor, even if you run a tesla turbine, you still have to use external electricity, so in conclusion, you're generating electricity, but isn't it offsetting?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
To generate electricity, all you need is to heat the thermal reservoir. You can use firewood, wood chips, diesel, waste oil, gasoline, trash, or even solar thermal energy-basically, any fuel you can think of. The versatility of that is truly amazing!
@PhillyEaglesFanatic
@PhillyEaglesFanatic Ай бұрын
The compressor is only used at start up, once it gets going, you can turn off the compressor and it keeps running until all the energy from the hot tank is used up
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
​@@PhillyEaglesFanaticYes, after you pull a vacuum on the main system, the vacuum pump doesn’t need to be turned on again unless there are leaks in the system.
@VeniceInventors
@VeniceInventors Ай бұрын
Really cool!
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
thanks!
@JAMIEGittins-f3y
@JAMIEGittins-f3y Ай бұрын
Will it working at such low temperatures you could use thermal collectors on the roof of a building to drive to the generator turbine not even using refrigerants just water and a vacuum
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
that's the plan!
@JAMIEGittins-f3y
@JAMIEGittins-f3y Ай бұрын
You are demonstrating so many scientific engineering principles all at once
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Absolutely. It's a cryophorous system where all the air is evacuated. On the left (the hot side), the pressure is higher because the water vapor above the water is at a higher pressure than on the right (the cold side). The higher temperature on the left creates a higher pressure, and since pressure flows from high to low, it boils on the left and condenses on the right. This movement of gas through the system spins the turbine.
@JAMIEGittins-f3y
@JAMIEGittins-f3y Ай бұрын
I love it you're boiling water below atmospheric pressure you are basically using a freeze dry system to create a pressure difference that's amazing
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
You got it!
@350pauli
@350pauli Ай бұрын
Looks awesome fair play sorry if i sound stupid is it steam moving from one tank to the other ? ... I always wondered about converting a old gas bottle to a steam boiler to make something i can charge batteries with ...
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you like it! Yes, you're on the right track. It's a cryophorous system where all the air is evacuated. On the left (the hot side), the pressure is higher because the water vapor above the water is at a higher pressure than on the right (the cold side). The higher temperature on the left creates a higher pressure, and since pressure flows from high to low, it boils on the left and condenses on the right. This movement of gas through the system spins the turbine. However, I want to stress the importance of safety if you're thinking about building something similar, like converting a gas bottle into a steam boiler. Water under pressure can build up to dangerous levels, potentially causing an explosion if not handled properly. Here are a few key precautions: Make sure your tank is made of metal that can handle high pressure, and know the pressure limitations at different temperatures. Always use a pressure relief valve to prevent excessive pressure buildup and avoid steam jet injuries. Periodically test the pressure capacity of the tank, as corrosion or rust can weaken it over time. It’s a good idea to fill the tank with water and test it at a pressure higher than your relief valve setting to ensure safety. Stay safe and happy building!
@350pauli
@350pauli Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupply Thanks very much for your advice ..amazing work .... Im just wondering if something like this would behave differently if using different types of gas not that i would want to do it as im sure that would be dangerous ... this being a Tesla disk turbine i also wonder if using a Tesla valve with it would be something he might have done perhaps even created for ... really I think its amazing that you mad that turbine and set up its true engineering and innovation .. wonder if you could also link it to a cavitation pump i saw one operating at a fire station it made steam and fed the steam back in while the excess heated the water the whole thing was very efficient reminds me of this havnt heard much about them since it was on a program called tomorrows world in the 90's ... great work anyway sorry for the waffle haha all the best
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
@@350pauli Thanks for your kind words! You're absolutely right that using different types of gases would change the behavior of the system, and you're also correct in thinking it could be dangerous-different gases have different properties like flammability, pressure limits, and thermal conductivity. Sticking with safer setups is always a good call! As for the Tesla valve, that's a great idea! While I haven't incorporated one yet, it's definitely something that could enhance flow control in a setup like this. The Tesla disk turbine is highly versatile, and pairing it with a Tesla valve could be an exciting area for experimentation. Linking it to a cavitation pump is another fascinating thought! Those systems are known for their efficiency and ability to generate steam in innovative ways. The idea of feeding steam back into the system to maximize efficiency is similar to what I'm working on, and integrating that concept with a Tesla turbine could lead to some really interesting results. No worries about the waffle-it’s great to have these discussions! Thanks again for the support and ideas. The only way to know is to do the experiments and see what happens. All the best!
@Jesussavesyouandme
@Jesussavesyouandme Ай бұрын
I’m new how you getting air?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Air compressor, but with the new 6" turbine, it's made of aluminum and has a metal rotor so to generate electricity, all you need is to heat the thermal reservoir. You can use firewood, wood chips, diesel, waste oil, gasoline, trash, or even solar thermal energy-basically, any fuel you can think of.
@ukirfan
@ukirfan Ай бұрын
well done
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@makeryourself4435
@makeryourself4435 Ай бұрын
@Jeremiah Use a step-up transformer that will improve your design
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
My main turbine project produces 400v ac.
@makeryourself4435
@makeryourself4435 Ай бұрын
I use a step-up transformer that will improve your project In
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
My main turbine project produces 400v ac.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
My large turbine produces 400v ac
@Z-Ack
@Z-Ack Ай бұрын
Steady at 30v at 7.5a with 500w load. Perty good but what gpm is it using of the air? With 200 psi in the tank looked like running..
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
100 psi was the max pressure in these tests. If I increased the water temperature it would run for much longer and if my generator was more powerful I could output much more power.
@deadflight84
@deadflight84 Ай бұрын
Awesome. This is the answer to a decentralized energy grid
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
That's my aim!
@gkdresden
@gkdresden Ай бұрын
In principle you expand almost the whole pressure within the nozzle in order to make as much kinetic energy of the gas flow as possible. You only use a very small fraction of total pressure drop to drive the gas through the turbine gaps. You only need the remaining pressure drop to generate enough torque to compensate the torque of the generator and some friction losses. I don't understand why you spiral the flow from the outer rim to the inner rim of the gaps. It doesnt make sense because it generates only much more friction than you really need. I would keep the flow at the outer rim of the gaps in order to release it after a half of the perimeter. So you have nearly constant streaming conditions and it is easy to calculate. When you find that the outer rim of your turbine goes supersonic than you know, that you work not very efficient. The maximum speed of the gas flow, you can reach ist sound speed. If you want supesonic flow you have to use a Venturi nozzle (with diffusor). So the outer rim of your turbine is faster than the gas flow at the end of the nozzle. It means the outer rim of the nozzle acts as a break, which ist driven by the inner gap section. This is also the reason why I don't like Tesla's turbine design, because it is simply not very efficient. You don't realize this inefficiency, because you have a lot of power in your gas flow. Using only the outer rim of the turbine gaps is also useful to get a compact turbo generator design. You can put permanent magnet disks in the inner rotor part which operate on stator air coils in the turbo generator housing plates (4 permanent magnets and 3 coil pairs on both housing plates). In this way you will get an axial flux generator without iron losses.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Thank you for your insightful comment! You've raised some important points about the efficiency of Tesla's turbine design and the potential for supersonic flow at the outer rim. One of the core principles behind Tesla's turbine is rooted in his understanding of fluid dynamics, particularly the importance of allowing fluids to move in natural spiral paths with minimal resistance. According to Tesla, this design helps avoid the sudden changes in velocity and direction found in more conventional turbines that rely on blades or vanes. The spiral movement of the fluid, influenced by the adhesion and viscosity properties, allows for a more gradual transfer of energy as the fluid moves toward the center of the disks. This gradual transition minimizes the losses associated with shocks and disturbances that you’d see in traditional turbines. While your suggestion of maintaining the flow at the outer rim for constant streaming conditions is logical, Tesla’s design deliberately uses the spiral inward motion to continuously reduce the velocity of the fluid and extract as much energy as possible over the entire flow path. By the time the fluid reaches the center, it has already imparted a substantial portion of its energy to the turbine. Tesla himself noted that “the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution.” This suggests that while the design may seem less efficient in theory, in practice, the fluid's interaction with the entire disk surface optimizes the energy extraction process. Regarding your observation about supersonic flow, Tesla designed the turbine with the idea that, under normal conditions, the fluid’s velocity should match the peripheral speed of the disks. When the turbine is properly scaled and tuned, the speed of the fluid and the turbine's edge should remain subsonic. Tesla acknowledged that if there’s too much velocity mismatch, inefficiencies can arise, but he accounted for this by recommending increased disk area or reduced spacing, depending on the fluid properties.
@gkdresden
@gkdresden Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupply hm, when you design a turbine which spirals the flow from the outer rim to the inner rim of a spacing between disks you accelerate the flow from the outer rim to the inner rim because you decrease the static pressure in order to transfer it into dynamic pressure. But along the path the transversal velocity of the disk is decreased. This means the difference between the gas velocity and the transversal disk velocity gets higher and higher. This means the friction becomes higher and higher. At the end of the process you will get a very stange equilibrium where you generate a lot of friction and your gas tends to return to the outer rim of the disk space but the static pressure in the outer gas spirals acts in a way to suppress this tendency. I cannot imagine that this equilibrium state is somehow characterized by a good transfer rate of kinetic energy from the gas to the disk. In my experiments I have found that the best efficiency comes with relatively constant but slidely increasing gas velocity, where the velocity difference between gas and disk is more or less constant and small enough that you don't waste too much energy into gas friction. In a bladeless turbine you need some dissipative friction in order to transfer the torque. But you just need the torque to drive your high speed generator, which is relatively small. You generate your mechanical and electric power in turbine engines mainly with your angular velocity and not with your torque. P = 2*pi*f*T P: mechanical power [W] f: frequency of rotation [1/s] T: torque [Nm] So, the best you can do is to keep the gas at the outer rim of your disk space and to keep the gas velocity constant and slidely higher than the disk's transversal velocity. Only in this way you loose the smalles amount of power due to friction. So the most power ist transferred to the disk. With an inward spiral you can probably get more torque but you lose a lot of power due to friction. This is probably also the reason why your rotor immediately accelerates very hard. But this is not the way to make an efficient turbine. A turbine lives from the gas speed and not from the gas friction. A turbine accelerates smoothly to its nominal speed. Only dental turbines are designed to generate a lot of torque at lower speed. But they are not optimized for higher efficiencies. These turbines are not active but reactive turbines Their blades stand like a wall in the gas flow like in a mixture of a pelton turbine and a rotary vane pump. They are mainly (stagnation) pressure driven engines and act more like piston engines.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
@@gkdresden The phenomenon you described is something I generally agree with in terms of fluid dynamics and turbine efficiency. However, in the case of the video you're referring to, the reason the turbine didn’t start immediately was actually something I hadn't seen before. Upon inspection, I found that the rotor wasn’t properly aligned and was making contact with the side wall. This misalignment caused the rotor to scrape the side wall, and I had to overcome the friction of this contact before the turbine could start. This aligns with the broader point you made about friction, but in this case, it was an unintended mechanical issue rather than a design characteristic of the turbine. Additionally, as you mentioned regarding the transfer of energy, it's important to note that by ensuring proper construction and observing working conditions, the centrifugal pressure opposing the fluid's passage can be made nearly equal to the supply pressure when the turbine is running idle. If the inlet section is sufficiently large, even small variations in rotational speed can result in significant differences in flow. This effect is further amplified by the changes in the spiral path length, creating a self-regulating machine. This concept bears a resemblance to a direct-current electric motor, where significant differences in impressed pressure are counteracted by the rotation, preventing excessive fluid flow. It's also worth noting that due to the laminar flow within the turbine, this self-regulating behavior becomes possible. The fluid passage through the turbine can remain highly efficient, as the system only uses as much flow as required for a particular load. This ensures that the turbine's efficiency remains high while minimizing unnecessary flow, further optimizing performance under varying conditions. In the case of my turbine, this issue was compounded by the friction caused by the rotor's misalignment, but your point on efficiency is well taken.
@ted_van_loon
@ted_van_loon Ай бұрын
actually while partly true and seemingly true, it is actually not fully true, that is because the tesla turbine's working is actually far more complex and advanced than it seems, but 99.99% of science and even the people explaining them and such do not properly understand the engine. several years ago when I made my first 3d printed tesla turbine I noticed some odd behaviour and using that managed to figure out it's actual working. this is also backed by how nikola tesla was great in geometry optimizations, yet somehow speciffically said the room needed to be round, and also didn't say you needed a special nozzle. essentially I rediscovered the way the tesla turbine was actually meant to work, and did some reseach and a more complex advanced version of simulations on it(actually the same type of simulation nikola tesla used to test his mashines which up to today still is much more accurate and faster than computer simulation programs). but the interesting things I found where : 1: you don't need a nozzle since the tesla turbine generates a relative aerospike, this is similar to that new technology in rocket engines, but it already was there around 100 year ago in the tesla turbine, the aerospike in the tesla turbine however automatically dynamically adjusts itself and also acts as a nozzle. 2: the tesla turbine relative adaptive aerospike nozzle not only extends at the inlet but through the entire device, forming a adaping dynaming converging divergent nozzle, which actually is a type of nozzle used in rockets to make them go faster than sound, but in rockets they are fixed so only efficient at a very speciffic speed, while in the tesla turbine it is much more powerfull. essentially in most cases adding a nozzle or such will decrease efficiency. and a tesla turbine can go faster than sound on it's own while remaining efficient. that said when going much faster than sound you start to run in other ineficiencies no mather what turbine you use.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
​@@ted_van_loon It’s great to hear from someone who’s done such thorough research! I’ve long suspected that the divergent section of the nozzle isn’t necessary within the nozzle itself, and your findings about the adaptive aerospike behavior of the Tesla turbine validate that. The way the turbine’s spiral flow through the disk gaps naturally acts as the divergent section makes perfect sense, essentially allowing supersonic flow without the need for a traditional nozzle. The idea of the turbine dynamically adjusting its flow path and essentially forming a converging-diverging nozzle throughout the entire device is brilliant. It truly reflects Tesla’s genius in optimizing geometry-something that’s still not fully understood by most modern explanations. The fact that the turbine can generate and adjust its own aerospike shows how advanced the internal fluid dynamics really are. I don’t think most people, or even modern simulations, fully grasp how intricate this system is. I also agree that adding a nozzle can reduce efficiency in many cases. The Tesla turbine is inherently more powerful when left to its own dynamic flow adjustments. It’s remarkable that this technology can achieve supersonic speeds while maintaining efficiency, unlike fixed-nozzle systems. But as you pointed out, even when the turbine exceeds certain supersonic thresholds, some inefficiencies start to appear-this seems to be an unavoidable limitation for any turbine at extremely high velocities. It’s exciting to think that Tesla had already figured this out over a century ago, and how much more efficient his approach was compared to many modern systems. I’d love to see more people dive deeper into these core principles-understanding them could truly revolutionize how we apply this technology today! I do have a question for you, though: when I run my turbine in a vacuum and get the rotor spinning close to the speed of sound, if I turn off the gas inlet, the rotor maintains its speed for a long time due to the low atmospheric pressure. I’m wondering, based on what Tesla described about using pulses of gas as the most efficient way to run the turbine, could this approach reduce the negative effects of running the turbine at such high velocities in a vacuum? Perhaps the low pressure environment could make the pulsed gas more effective by minimizing turbulence or drag? I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on this.
@VSears-Vortex
@VSears-Vortex Ай бұрын
Wow thats a bigger setup than the last time I was at the Lab. Looking good, any thoughts on recycling the steam back into the system ?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Yeah it is a closed loop, the water is pumped back in.
@yousoufmoco2123
@yousoufmoco2123 Ай бұрын
👍👍
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Cheers!
@guillaumemartin8864
@guillaumemartin8864 Ай бұрын
Vidéo intéressante, mais le principe de fonctionnement n est pas expliqué. Construire cette machine est intéressant mais y a t il des applications industrielles ( commerciales) pour créer de l électricité à prix faible? Sinon quel est l intérêt d avoir construit cette machine? Est ce une machine rentable ? Une 2ème vidéo plus détaillée et expliquée serait la bienvenue.
@SINHRO-FAZA
@SINHRO-FAZA Ай бұрын
Геотермальные станции работают примерно по такому же принципу.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Merci pour votre commentaire ! J'apprécie votre intérêt. Le principe de fonctionnement de la turbine Tesla repose sur la friction de la couche limite, où le fluide se déplace en spirale entre des disques étroitement espacés, transférant ainsi de l'énergie aux disques sans avoir besoin de pales traditionnelles. En ce qui concerne les applications industrielles ou commerciales, bien que les turbines Tesla ne soient pas largement utilisées aujourd'hui dans la production d'énergie à grande échelle, elles ont un potentiel dans des domaines spécifiques, comme la récupération de chaleur perdue, la production d'électricité à petite échelle, et la production d'énergie à faible coût à partir de sources renouvelables comme la géothermie ou le solaire thermique. La simplicité de leur conception pourrait entraîner des coûts de maintenance plus bas par rapport aux turbines traditionnelles, même s'il reste encore des défis techniques à relever pour une utilisation à grande échelle. Je suis d'accord qu'une explication plus détaillée serait utile. Je prévois de réaliser une vidéo de suivi où j'expliquerai en profondeur les principes et les applications potentielles dans le monde réel. Restez à l'écoute !
@JamesFord-g5e
@JamesFord-g5e Ай бұрын
That's interesting steam to electric. I have an idea with motor to electric generator but mine takes out the load makes it non inductive
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
I'd love to see it!
@huckfin1100
@huckfin1100 Ай бұрын
What is it really good for, its to noisy to power your house for one !
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Our 6" rotor in the vacuum is very quiet in compared to this one, and you wouldn't want it in your living room! haha
@SINHRO-FAZA
@SINHRO-FAZA Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupply Только не тогда, когда к вам в очередной раз нагрянут надоевшие соседи, вот тогда работа двигателя будет неоценима :D
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
​@@SINHRO-FAZA Это забавно - мой самый тихий турбина был настолько бесшумным, что люди думали, что он фейковый! Они спрашивали: 'Почему его не слышно?', потому что они привыкли к очень громким турбинам.
@CoincidenceTheorist
@CoincidenceTheorist Ай бұрын
Any gremlins or mystery issues been occurring these part couple years? Just curious for various reasons. 🫀 i truly enjoy hearing the genuine joy and excitement in your voice 5:43 8:47 let me remind you, “these tesla turbines don’t work. They can’t truly generate anything useful “ Official quote of the 🥴in’errNet🤡 ( in error forever stuck beneath a net of inept auto accept of all things. Gazing through an askew film covered lens of Rote memorized law and theory which never bends nor breaks. Hands on a single physical thing, such acts never makes. Endlessly Unoriginal. Awl knowing holey one. )
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Nothing weird has happened so far-no gremlins. I did have a turbine stolen once, though, from my car. I turned my head for a moment while talking with my dad, and it was gone. Someone knew exactly what they wanted, and I have no idea how they even knew it was in my car.
@ninukanjan9400
@ninukanjan9400 Ай бұрын
Try to get in Touch with Peter Lindeman and Aaron Murakami, they will tell you that tesla intended his turbine to work in sister conjunction with another as a 99.9% heat->motion konverter using "cold" steam. nonetheless nice work keep it up
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
I work in Aaron's shop, haha. Achieving 99.9% conversion of heat would be the ultimate dream. I hope it happens one day, but it's a very difficult feat of engineering.
@CoincidenceTheorist
@CoincidenceTheorist Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupply 404 error. We censored your comment for some lame reason. Check held comment’s folder to find out more. If you can find it
@LordDustinDeWynd
@LordDustinDeWynd Ай бұрын
You're impressed with high-speed machinery? You should get out more.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Your not impressed with high speed machinery?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
With the right construction and conditions, the centrifugal pressure can almost match the supply pressure when the machine is idling. If the inlet is large, small changes in speed can cause big differences in fluid flow, helped by changes in the spiral path length. This creates a self-regulating machine, similar to a DC motor, where fluid flow is restricted by rotation, even with big pressure differences. Since centrifugal force increases with the square of speed, and modern steel allows for high velocities, this can be achieved in a single-stage machine, especially with a large runner.
@CoincidenceTheorist
@CoincidenceTheorist Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupplythis guy has to be some sort of boł. Theres so much non human interaction in comments now. Its quite disturbing
@ooigfgnnkhjjnc
@ooigfgnnkhjjnc Ай бұрын
Cant spell
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Sometimes I get in a hurry, haha. It happens! Even though I know how to spell 'turbine,' spelling isn’t always my strong suit.
@CoincidenceTheorist
@CoincidenceTheorist Ай бұрын
Why are you here? Seems a lot of oddball haters with no interest in this video sure are commenting. Its highly illogical for such people to have converged on this video and then choose to comment. Not a word showing true interest
@ooigfgnnkhjjnc
@ooigfgnnkhjjnc Ай бұрын
@@CoincidenceTheorist 😢😭😭😭
@timothyblazer1749
@timothyblazer1749 Ай бұрын
Its not the velocity thats important, its volumetric flow. Velocity comes along for the ride.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Speed is actually more crucial than most people realize when it comes to the Tesla turbine. If done properly, it can become a self-regulating machine-kind of like a DC motor. Even if the pressure changes a lot, the rotation controls the fluid flow. What's cool is that the centrifugal force increases with the square of the rotational speed (or even faster in some cases), so higher speeds really make a huge difference. With modern high-grade steel allowing for crazy high peripheral velocities, it's possible to reach that self-regulating state in just a single stage, especially with a larger diameter runner. So yeah, speed is a major factor here, more than it might seem at first!
@CoincidenceTheorist
@CoincidenceTheorist Ай бұрын
This is insane. The super contra rat army of Contrarium.. Who opened the cage? These creatures are everywhere!
@Infinion
@Infinion Ай бұрын
​@@CoincidenceTheorist A lot of armchair generals these days, dont worry about it too much, they're needed for algorithm engagement.
@walter9724
@walter9724 Ай бұрын
You need to put a drier on the compressor. The water needs to be removed before its released
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Can you explain more why you think a dryer would help?
@walter9724
@walter9724 Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupply water can cause drag and rust etc. Especially in bearings. We use water traps on all of our air compressors in my work shop. Just thought id mention it 😎👍
@FilterYT
@FilterYT Ай бұрын
Isn't that one of the benefits of the tesla turbine that you can use wet steam?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
@@FilterYT absolutely!
@ChrisDay-sx4lv
@ChrisDay-sx4lv Ай бұрын
You could use an idle air control valve from a car or an electronic expansion valve (EEV) from an air conditioner to control the air flow in a more linear way, they both have a stepper inside that you can control easily from software or hardware. It looks like it could possibly take even more load, and then you have tricky job of deciding whether its the generator or turbine that is the limiting factor, the power density looks to be insane, have you done any efficiency calculations including the energy left in the stream after the turbine?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Here is the reason I want the valve either fully open or fully closed. 1. Preventing Partial Throttling When a valve is partially open, it creates a restriction in the gas flow, causing a pressure drop without doing useful work. This leads to what is called throttling losses. In a turbine, you want the gas to expand and accelerate fully as it moves through the turbine’s rotor, converting pressure energy into mechanical work. If the valve is not fully open, you might be wasting energy by having the gas lose pressure across the valve instead of through the turbine blades. This reduces efficiency. 2. Avoiding Double Expansion of Gas If the gas partially expands before reaching the turbine (due to a partially open valve), it loses potential energy that could otherwise be converted into mechanical energy. This is referred to as double expansion, where the gas expands once through the valve and then again through the turbine. Double expansion reduces the effective pressure drop across the turbine, meaning less energy is available for the rotor to extract, which directly lowers the overall efficiency. 3. Maximizing Isentropic Efficiency A fully open valve ensures that the gas expands isentropically (i.e., without unnecessary heat loss or pressure loss due to friction or throttling). This maximizes the turbine’s isentropic efficiency, which is the ratio of the actual work output to the ideal work output. Closing the valve fully, when needed, ensures that no gas flows through the turbine unnecessarily, preventing losses when the turbine isn’t meant to be active. 4. Stable Flow and Control Full open or full closed valve positions provide more predictable and stable gas flow, making it easier to control and optimize the performance of the turbine. Partial valve positions introduce turbulence and irregular flow patterns that are hard to manage efficiently. In summary, fully opening or fully closing the valve helps ensure that the gas flow is either fully utilized for energy conversion or stopped entirely to prevent unnecessary losses, thereby improving the overall efficiency of the turbine system.
@ChrisDay-sx4lv
@ChrisDay-sx4lv Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupply these are good points for a final product, that is absolutely what you want but for testing would it not be good to see where the efficiency lies at different turbine pressure vs load?
@InfinionExperiments
@InfinionExperiments Ай бұрын
​@@ChrisDay-sx4lv I tend to agree, you may lose efficiency with an EEV or TXV, but you can do a lot more characterization of the turbine for learning and optimizing. In the end iEnergy can probably regulate with a PLC transfer function that reguates by adjusting boiler heat input rather than choking flow with a valve What do you think of PWMing a valve with a very short transitions to eliminate pressure drop losses so it is mostly fully open or fully closed? Or perhaps its best to develop a converging-diverging nozzle that can be deformed to provide efficient throttling functions.
@ChrisDay-sx4lv
@ChrisDay-sx4lv Ай бұрын
@@InfinionExperiments PWM would not be a good choice, you are just averaging out the losses as the valve is not instantly open or closed at any one time. At his stage of testing it would be wise to concentrate on the efficiency of the turbine and disregard the efficiency of the system IMO.
@nxdgna
@nxdgna Ай бұрын
This is my little idea it’s working or not. I don’t know you need to add some flywheel. ?
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
For these smaller turbines, that would be a very useful way to stabilize the RPM. My main turbine project has a much larger rotor made with heavier material, which helps stabilize the RPM. Stay tuned to see this effect in action.
@1dave301
@1dave301 Ай бұрын
I've done similar experiments, I found that with the same airflow but at different attack angles for different RPMs, there are big gains in power out.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Did you do that with a Tesla turbine? If so, consider using a larger inlet and increasing gas flow. That way, there won’t be too much friction slowing down the vortex at the periphery of the casing, where the rotor tips are closest to the sidewall. With small nozzles, you will have much thinner boundary layers, so pointing the nozzle away from the sidewall, as you described, helps.
@FuhrChris
@FuhrChris Ай бұрын
You have water jetting. (Take the issue of compressed air when there is a pressure drop results in a lowering of the temperature (Measure that water temp over time) IF even condensation hits expanding air you stand a chance of ice forming somewhere in the system that then breaks off and collides with the turbine. It doesn't take much to destroy the balance in the turbine.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Thank you for the comment! You raise a very valid point. The issue of temperature drop due to the expansion of compressed air is indeed a critical factor to consider in such systems. As the air expands, the temperature can drop significantly, potentially leading to condensation and even ice formation, depending on the humidity level and temperature conditions. I've only encountered this issue under specific circumstances, such as when a strong vacuum was created by a pump stage attached to the same shaft, running both compressed air and water vapor inside the turbine. This could potentially be mitigated by using higher temperatures for the air. However, this system isn't designed for compressed air. If you check out my previous videos, you'll see that I use the Rankine cycle, and I haven't had any issues like those you're describing. The scenario could change if I were to use a powerful enough pump to decrease back pressure and increase the expansion ratio. But even then, since the turbine operates under vacuum conditions, the likelihood of ice formation remains low. Additionally, even if ice were to build up on the disks, it would be unlikely to cause damage. Unlike conventional turbines, which have buckets, paddles, or vanes that could be impacted at high speed, the Tesla turbine’s design minimizes this risk. Thanks again for your input, and please keep sharing your insights. It's always great to discuss these technical nuances with the community!
@CoincidenceTheorist
@CoincidenceTheorist Ай бұрын
@@iEnergySupply Jerrmiah youre truly inspiring. A great example of a real true heart. 🫀
@FuhrChris
@FuhrChris Ай бұрын
Your throttling is like it's hammer hitting the turbine. Correct the system so that you can gradually bring up the speed, your disk will last longer. The acrylic nozzle that converts the pipe formed air into the shape that is too flow over the turbine is far too short triple that length and throw a temperature sensor on that. (theory that it is ice chucks form there then break off and destroy the turbine blades.) (You may even want to work on placing fins inside the nozzle so that the air hitting the turbine is even more "REFINED" and thus more effective.)
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Thank you for the feedback! The Tesla turbine operates differently from traditional turbines, primarily due to its laminar flow characteristics. This means there’s no danger of a hammering effect inside the turbine. The smooth, laminar flow prevents the kind of turbulent impact that could damage the disks. Regarding the throttling method, I'm doing it intentionally for a specific reason. I want to ensure the gas isn't double expanding before it reaches the turbine's inlet. When throttling with a partially closed valve, you lose energy before the gas even enters the nozzle and the turbine, making the system less efficient. That’s why I fully open the valve and pulse the gas through the turbine. This way, all the expansion happens at the nozzle and inside the turbine itself, maximizing efficiency. As for the nozzle design, your suggestion to extend the length and possibly add fins is an interesting idea. I’ll definitely consider experimenting with a longer nozzle and perhaps adding temperature sensors to monitor potential ice formation. However, given the nature of the Tesla turbine, even if ice were to form, it wouldn't have the same destructive impact as in traditional turbines, since there are no blades or vanes to damage. I appreciate your input and will continue to refine the setup. Thanks again for your insights, and feel free to share more thoughts as we continue to optimize the turbine!
@jameshund3203
@jameshund3203 Ай бұрын
The upgrade on turbines has so much potential.In real practical electric generation clean.With natural gas
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment! I completely agree-the potential for Tesla turbines in clean and efficient electric generation is huge, especially when combined with natural gas. Unlike traditional turbines, Tesla turbines can handle a variety of working fluids, and their unique design allows for efficient energy conversion with minimal mechanical wear. Integrating Tesla turbines with natural gas could provide a cleaner alternative to conventional power generation, as they can operate efficiently even at lower pressures and temperatures. This makes them ideal for distributed energy systems and microgrids, where they can be used for local power generation with lower emissions. We're continually exploring ways to optimize and scale this technology for practical applications in sustainable energy. Stay tuned for more updates as we push the boundaries of what's possible with this innovative design!