How much effective would be used the sidesword and the storta at the same time?
@saamfvg2 күн бұрын
More or less as much as sword and dagger, I'd guess
@evelynbagnasco72937 күн бұрын
Chiedo scusa Signori, non sapevo neppure che esistesse questo sport. La mía esperienza più prossima è il Kendo di 40 anni fa. Quando rinasco, aggiungo questo ai miei sport preferiti. A chi posso fare qualche domanda ?
@saamfvg6 күн бұрын
Ci sono molti gruppi e community su facebook e reddit pronti a rispondere a qualsiasi domanda, sia italiani che internazionali, basta cercare hema o historical fencing
@FiliiMartis7 күн бұрын
I also have a serious question, if you can believe that... does the fear of getting hurt (as in ouch, any hit hurts on bare skin; not referencing something serious) made you spar more conservatively? Did you found yourselves not taking unnecessary risks?
@saamfvg6 күн бұрын
That is the point of the exercise: being more aware and focusing on precision instead of rushing in or taking risks. Also, I don't remember if it was specified in the video, but only the head was targetable.
@FiliiMartis6 күн бұрын
@@saamfvg It was only specified in the description. But I also didn't pose the question correctly. Did you actually felt more like in a real bout, so more skin on the line 😏, a stronger fear of consequences? Or because you limited the attacks to the protected head, it felt more like normal (plus fun and less constrained movement but not so much afraid that you will get a bruise)? This is not clear to me.
@saamfvg5 күн бұрын
@@FiliiMartis Unfortunately, both people in the video haven't been with our club for a few years, so we can't say for sure. In my experience (I'm Marco, the producer and smm, btw) it didn't feel like a real bout at all, just like an excercise. Obviuosly I did find myself being more careful and slowing down the pace, but I also started back in 2013 wher we didn't have access to proper protective gear and therefore I've learned to respect and treat simulacrums like real swords.
@FiliiMartis5 күн бұрын
@@saamfvg You make a good point about learning respect for the steel, even when blunt, when you're starting with less gear.
@FiliiMartis7 күн бұрын
How did I miss this video until now?🤣
@saamfvg6 күн бұрын
😁
@biobomb937 күн бұрын
F I N E Z Z A T E C N I C A
@saamfvg6 күн бұрын
😂
@AlexandreSgroi-gy6qi7 күн бұрын
👍⚔️🛡️⚔️🛡️⚔️
@CZOV8 күн бұрын
Actually good fencing!
@saamfvg7 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@GaldenX9 күн бұрын
Very impressive swordplay.
@saamfvg7 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@biobomb9314 күн бұрын
1:40 ho avuto un flashback di striscia la notizia
@saamfvg14 күн бұрын
😁
@premiataruoleriafriulana149814 күн бұрын
"not bad" 😂
@saamfvg14 күн бұрын
Meh
@unbengable200117 күн бұрын
This looks like a performance instead of real sparring.The sword fight normally ends in seconds
@saamfvg17 күн бұрын
This is a friendly spar, not a tournament bout
@biobomb9321 күн бұрын
Interesting sparring as always.
@naruomi947722 күн бұрын
Made with the finest steal folded 9,000,000 times with metal from the gods themselves 🙏
@saamfvg22 күн бұрын
😁
@TBoneHEMA25 күн бұрын
That is a BEEFY sword. Nice bouts!
@saamfvg24 күн бұрын
Yeah, it is broad
@tristraman25 күн бұрын
me encanta este deporte con espadas un saludo desde Perú
@saamfvg25 күн бұрын
👋🏻
@GhostoftheDojo26 күн бұрын
Flawless technique. From one samurai to another, this is truly fine skill 👌
@saamfvg26 күн бұрын
😁
@vovolk127 күн бұрын
Жестоко! Вот это скорость! 😄
@saamfvg26 күн бұрын
Fast indeed! :)
@BetterSchwert27 күн бұрын
I saw the new version of the gloves which looks like they fixed all the sensitive spots and added additional padding and changed the material of the back of the hand plate. I'll let you know how it feels once it's delivered to me!
@saamfvg26 күн бұрын
Don't know if it is the same version, but we handled a pair just a few days ago that were much more stiff than the ones we have. Didn't try them in sparring, so we'll wait for your thoughts!
@chaos_omega27 күн бұрын
Glorious Nippon Steel
@saamfvg27 күн бұрын
😁
@Poohze0127 күн бұрын
Well, that gave me a laugh!😆
@AnnaPighin27 күн бұрын
Meraviglioso.
@biobomb9328 күн бұрын
That katana has been folded 400000 times
@saamfvg28 күн бұрын
At least 😁
@SuperCarlosluciano28 күн бұрын
Katana supremacy!!!
@saamfvg28 күн бұрын
lol
@dailyd2028 күн бұрын
Not what expected, but not disappointed XD
@marcoaries228 күн бұрын
😂
@zwidowca1Ай бұрын
Edit: spelling fixes Good thing I found this review piece. I was about to buy them... Getting good gloves for historical fencing is such a pain in the arse nowadays... I got the red dragon Dreadnaughts instead. Good protection but they need to have the rivets changed every now and then.
@saamfvgАй бұрын
Glad it was useful!
@williamcase426Ай бұрын
Girl vs girl
@saamfvgАй бұрын
Yes
@IaMaPh1991Ай бұрын
Some questions: 1. How would you modify these gloves to be a bit more protective in those areas of concern you've addressed. 2. What do you think about Purpleheart's version with leather covering the exposed areas? 3. Would you say these are at least decent for bolognese and sabre? That's what I'm on the lookout for mainly, and don't want to shell out double the money for a heavy glove I cannot even use because it won't fit in the guard of a sidesword or sabre.
@saamfvgАй бұрын
1. Thicker and more resistant leather and/or padding 2. We have nevr tried anything by Purpleheart 3. Decent or synthetic simulacrums but some hits could be painful. Not advised for steel. For the last year we're been using the SupFen master gloves as general gloves for synthetic simulacrums and they've been working fine.
@ooloooАй бұрын
Sword and Rodela is so cool .I can imagine María de Estrada showing off some techniques to Tlaxcaltec and Texcocan homies in 1520/1521 .
@saamfvgАй бұрын
Yes, sword and rotella is often a underestimated combo
@xLazySlackerАй бұрын
What gloves are you two using?
@saamfvgАй бұрын
Enrico's should be Fait d'armes, don't know about Luca's
@raystargazer74682 ай бұрын
Cool'all but arent you supposed to try to kill the other guy?
@saamfvg2 ай бұрын
Not in sparring
@raystargazer7468Ай бұрын
@@saamfvg what's the point of sparring then?
@saamfvgАй бұрын
@@raystargazer7468 work on movements, actions, techniques or just have fun with an "exchange of opinions", like in this specific video where the two fencers were sparring for the first time with each other. If we were to kill each other we'd all be in jail for manslaughter ;)
@raystargazer7468Ай бұрын
@@saamfvg i mean to fight like if you wanted to kill the orher guy. Put some rubber or something on the blades and swing it to the other as if you wanted to murder him. With good armor and practice I think it is doable with minor injuries. Like, I understand why do it for fun, but if you want to recreate fighting, the most accurate is if it is swung the way it's meant to be. I wouldn't ask this with Jians for ex. while wearing a robe, where you might actually disembowel the other.. but with armor. You can serious.
@raystargazer7468Ай бұрын
go*
@RenanL.S.2 ай бұрын
Where can I buy it?
@saamfvg2 ай бұрын
On Superior Fencing's website
@AWitchInIvalice2 ай бұрын
Grazie mille! Loved the perfect representation & pronunciation.
@saamfvg2 ай бұрын
Glad it was useful!
@Isidoros472 ай бұрын
When Martina went more offensive with the storta, started giving some hits. When deffensive, got wasted. In my opinion.
@Spider_793 ай бұрын
Ho una domanda ma lo spadone quante è grande?
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
Quelli usati in questo video dovrebbero essere 140/145cm, il modello standard è una ventina di cm più lungo
@Spider_793 ай бұрын
@@saamfvg a ok
@Spider_793 ай бұрын
@@saamfvg ho un'altra domanda è vero che gli spadoni rinascimentali erano grandi quanto il loro utilizzatore?
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
Non proprio, erano un po' più corti di quanto una persona fosse alta. Se hai occasione di visitare musei come lo Stibbert di Firenze o le torri di San Marino puoi vederne alcuni esemplari dal vivo.
@Spider_793 ай бұрын
@@saamfvg a ok
@biobomb933 ай бұрын
Sempre meravigliosi da vedere voi due :)
@LucaPdor3 ай бұрын
Bravo 'sto Mario! 😅😂
@jonathangelli34133 ай бұрын
È un ragazzo nuovo, giovane e molto promettente!😂
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
OOPS
@krystofcisar4693 ай бұрын
nice chill sparring! :) quite cool swords and skillset you have. I never really appreciated how nice sideswords are.
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
They are very versatile!
@MasoTrumoi3 ай бұрын
What would you recommend for spada da lato or saber? I've found these guys bulky for my swords but suitably protective. I have taken a bad hit or two but I haven't found anything more protective that doesn't also make it impossible to hold my swords properly. These ones already struggle for me since I wwar Large size gloves
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
For synthetic or steel sowrd? For synth we're currently pretty satisfied with the SupFen master gloves, while for steel Thokk's turned out to be more protective than these, although just as bulky and more expensive.
@FiliiMartis3 ай бұрын
This is the first time I see a storta trainer (synthetic or otherwise). Dumb question, but is there supposed to be a dedicated system for storta? I never thought about it, and now I don't know if it's me not paying attention, or if there is none. It's a short sword, so not sure side-swords systems cuts it. So, dussack? Messer? Somehow they seem more appropriate for storta (and hanger type swords).
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
As far as we know, no, there is system or manual for storta. Messer would be the closest to it and maybe you can adapt something from more recent cutlass manuals.
@FiliiMartis3 ай бұрын
@@saamfvg Funny enough, out of curiosity, I was just browsing the Del Tin offer of swords. They are selling something listed as "Storta or Dussack". So they see it as being the same, and I can see why. But it's true that in HEMA, if we say dussack, we think Meyer. And you are probably right that (leaving Meyer's system to the side) all these shorter swords and hangers would have been used in the same simple way, just like a messer.
@Poohze013 ай бұрын
That was fun!👍
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
It was indeed, even if we had to limit chatter and banter for the sake of the video XD
@vovolk13 ай бұрын
Красиво! 👏 Приятно посмотреть.
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@TBoneHEMA3 ай бұрын
Nice exchanges yall
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
btw, thanks, we know, we're just farming for engagement 😂
@TBoneHEMA3 ай бұрын
@@saamfvg beautiful hahaha
@davidroche90033 ай бұрын
Yes - no spear expert myself (assembling some spears for HEMA training now) but clear she is new to spear and he is probably quite an experienced HEMA - who knew he had to come in past the tip. My understanding is that a significant advantage of spear is its tip maneuverability - basic go thrust low then high repeat, and it is hard for any weapon to match. See the scholar gladitoria video on spear combat which shows even modest spearman seem to have a significant advantage over even better trained swordmen. The spear was the predominant weapon through history for a number good reasons - including its effectiveness. Liked the low impact spear design for training bamboo and pool noodle - suspect the bamboo is replaced frequently. Thanks for making the video it is good food for thought - look forward to more on spear!
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
Truth be told, it's not really easy to manouvre the spear and especially other pole weapons with bigger blades like the partisan. They can be unbalanced towards the blade and they're usually somewhat awkward to use. We tried the Blackfencer partisan blades on stiffer pole to be more historically correct, but they were too heavy and cumbersome for Martina to use.
@biobomb933 ай бұрын
Hi, i'm the guy with the dagger, yes i have more experience than her but still it was not easy: i had to think of a strategy beforehand and when i got really tired at around half of the video it was game over for me. Now i'm wondering if the same strategy works with someone taller, more aggressive and experienced.
@vasilemihaicuceu78093 ай бұрын
@@saamfvg ussually the Spears have short blade or even no longer of 30 cm and this ia not a partisan obvious that with the partisan the fencer should be more trained, and yes Spears has no egual in the right hands, i didn't see the girl stepping aside orntaking distante in the moment that the opponent wants to get closer, as i didn't see her making multiple attacks and changing the attack zone....
@dungad243 ай бұрын
@@biobomb93 I come from a koryu back ground, primarily pole arms, but some sword - control/work past the point and be aggressive once you enter like that is about the only strategy I've ever been taught. It gets more difficult the more experienced the spear, even with another pole arm. if she'd been more experienced she'd possibly have ran you around the court. I'd normally attack the lead hand first, but that's because it's closest and was traditionally a lightly armored/easily disabled target. Some food for thought for the spear user (again from a koryu perspective - which may or may not be applicable to your studies) - a cap/padding on the butt end can improve the balance a touch and be used for attack/defense, especially with a shorter weapon like that (step back left and bring it around for a head strike, for example). We generally let the spear pass through the front hand - there were a few times in there she took a step or two when it looked to me she was already in range for a solid hit if the spear had moved through the front hand. It also lets you use the hips as the main driver and not the rear shoulder. Is there something in the sources that recommends a static hand position on a spear? It seems common in HEMA spear clips I see, and is something we rarely do so, especially when staying in our range.
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
@@vasilemihaicuceu7809 This was literally her fourth time using any pole weapon ;) We currently don't own any spear tips, only a couple Blackfencer's partisans, so the choice was between those and the tennis-ball-and-tape-makeshift-thing that we ended up using.
@jaywulf3 ай бұрын
Circle the tip and push. Dont keep it static. Dont give the opponent time to think. Use your distance to your advantage. Dont be afraid to give ground if its going to give you tac advantage, you have plenty of room.
@parvetto40823 ай бұрын
Nahh, she cant the spear
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
I guess you meant "she can't use the spear" and you would be correct, it is quite obvious. In fact, that was her fourth time using it 😉
@elgostine3 ай бұрын
@@saamfvg its not always evident unless youve even watched the spears use by someone who knows how to use it competantly or skillfully for me that was initially.. martial arts movies(yes really) not that wushu is actual combat but it showcases the range of techniques and the use of sliding the spear in the hands for different contexts (true fact its how i first got the ideas when using spear in sparring albeit refined with more common sense footwork and such)
@jtlanci3 ай бұрын
Dude this was sick, would definitely like to see more.
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
Eventually we'd like to do more
@MairsMate3 ай бұрын
Very nice. Have you ever considerrd making a video on his double sword? Would be very cool to see (if you haven't already).
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
This kind of video takes a long time to make, we have a couple in the works but we don't know of and when we'll be able to make them...
@georgea59913 ай бұрын
I got them as a cheap alternative to hard polymer longsword gloves (I prefer five finger freedom to mittens, and in the HEMA world that comes at a price), and so far haven't been disappointed. Admittedly, they aren't of the _greatest_ quality, and the center hard shell could extend down to where the weak spot on the wrist is, but they are adequate, imo, for light to medium sparring if you're not trying to hand snipe. They're also at a decent mid range cost without having to buy clams, hooves, or $400 Gabriels...
@saamfvg3 ай бұрын
Hand sniping is a core of the Bolognese school we study, so...