Sorry, we're still working on the update. We dialed in the ranges for the Perlin Noise controls, and we added noise destinations to mod matrix and gate control. And we still have a couple of bugs to fix, hope to be ready to post this week.

We only have a rev2 because we could no longer purchase the original microcontroller NDLR used, due to the pandemic, chip shortages and all. So we went 2 years with no NDLRs until we submitted and redesigned it for a new microcontroller. None of that work was easy or free. Now we have the opportunity to add some new features for new customers, and there's nothing wrong with that. The rev1 is completely out of storage space, so we can't add any new features that require storage. We still managed to get the Rotation Algorithm and Interval Notes controller in there. Yes, still providing free updates 7 years after launch. Later in the new year, we plan to have a crowd funding for a NDLR rev1 circuit board upgrade. First we need to nail down the features that we are committing to so people can make an informed decision on whether an upgrade is worth it. We hope to be ready for that by end of January.

In the new year, we plan to have a crowd funding for a NDLR rev1 upgrade circuit board, but first we want to show what all you will receive with the upgrade so you can make an informed decision. We hope to have that ready in late January. Please sign up for our Newsletter on conductivelabs.com to stay informed.

@@ConductiveLabs TY for the timely reply, not to mention all the work you’re doing behind the scenes to make happen. Awesome and thank you!

It's not like there isn't space available for it in the menus. I hope this isn't a recurring theme of neglect for the rev1. There would be no rev2 if it wasn't for us who suppored the device by buying the rev1.

Memory space for code, its maxed out on the rev1. The rev2 has an updated chipset which has more memory, think it got trigger during the chip shortage a few years back. They had to update the design, just a fact of life when it comes to hardware. Parts become end of life.

@@gonzinigonz gate is such an essential part of playing synths I wouldn't care losing some other parts... this noise generator also :)

@@TomislavRupic I would agree. Not sure if they would put the energy into it but one work around would be to have custom firmware builds for the rev1 that offered different functionality by removing certain existing elements. Say like the midi CC controller part if you never used it. Likely problem though is all the code for these different elements all interact in some way so probably a lot of work to achieve stability and maybe even a complete rewrite needed as was never on the table as an option from the start. Maybe there's some code optimisation that could be done to squeeze some more space for new code on the rev1. There are still some bugs outstanding since the last release, the screen updates for one when in certain screens. Its all about the rev2 now as current model.

Ah. Dang. Love my NDLR and great to see it getting love after a wait. But a bit 😢 that my trusty ol' rev 1 will be left in the past. However, I am still getting fun from it when combined with the new Midicake Arp. They are a good combo.

We're getting closer to releasing the beta, but there was a large amount of code refactoring under the hood and we're still dialing it in. We also added some more features to make it more complete. Such as Mod Matrix targets for the Perlin Noise parameters.

Thank you!

I think they will. According to their website - "New Features have been added in the latest Firmware Update for both rev1 and rev2"

We would have liked to add these new features to the original The NDLR, but that hardware is completely out of storage space. We added a lot more feature to The NDLR than originally planned, like the chord sequencer, pattern and rhythm editors, and a bunch of other things not originally conceived in the hardware design. We don't have a single byte left for storing any new settings and it would suck to make great patches and not be able to save them. We plan to have a circuit board replacement as an upgrade path. Look for the announcement for pre-sales in the new year.

@@ConductiveLabs yes but please just make gate lenght 50%

@@ConductiveLabs How much will the upgrade be??? The lack of gate length is the single reason the NDLR has not made it onto a single production since it arrived after launch.

@@millenniummastering We don't have a price yet. It typically isn't cheap to make a low quantity of assembled circuit boards. We are also concerned about new/increased tariffs. We will do a crowd funding before we make them, and by then we'll have understood the costs.

Later in the new year, we plan to have a crowd funding for a NDLR rev1 circuit board upgrade. First we need to nail down the features that we are committing to so people can make an informed decision on whether an upgrade is worth it. We hope to be ready for that by end of January. Sign up for our Newletter at conductivelabs.com to be informed.

They could be more clear, but I found this on the website - "New Features have been added in the latest Firmware Update for both rev1 and rev2"

@ I don't think they updated the website and that was about the last update in 2023. This is new..

@@TomislavRupic I see that now. @conductivelabs replied in a comment they are looking to make a replacement board that will allow us to use the new firmware.

​@@RDuckShow superb. That will be awesome.

There may be a way coming soon.

@@danpreston564 that would be good. It was my first thought too and I didn't even know there was a rev2 until this video dropped

Yes please - this would be wondeful. I have two rev1 devices.

Later in the new year, we plan to have a crowd funding for a NDLR rev1 circuit board upgrade. First we need to nail down the features that we are committing to so people can make an informed decision on whether an upgrade is worth it. We hope to be ready for that by end of January.

@@ConductiveLabs great to hear, thank you for the update 🤞

The Start/Stop/Continue controls on the MRCC are really just for convenience if you don't have another device handy with those controls. Really no reason to use an external device to tell the MRCC to send a Start or Stop message, the external device can send it directly.

@ it is if you’re performing live, and want to stop and start.. and you’re not close to the mrcc

You can think of The NDLR as 4 MIDI keyboards, each playing a separate part. Nothing has to be on the NDLR's MIDI inputs unless you want to control NDLR with an external MIDI device. However, for convenience, you can have for instance a multi-part sequencer with a MIDI channel going to NDLR for control, and other channels will pass through to control other MIDI devices, just to simplify the MIDI cabling.

The channel split function was made for some odd use cases where you don't want all of the MIDI channels going to a port. For instance, I had a vintage Sequential Prophet 600, and it was the version that had omni input, which means it listened on every MIDI channel and there was no way to change it. With channel split turned on, I could have an input which might have multiple channels of MIDI being received, and channel split will send that data to consecutive outputs. In this use case, I would only send MIDI data to the channel split input on channels 1, 2, 3 and/or 4 so only channel 1 would be received on output 1, channel 2 on outputs 2, channel 3 on output 3 and channel 4 on output 4. And nothing says I have to route Input 1 to more than 1 output, so I can limit output 1 to only 1 channel with data. There are other odd use cases that this feature might help with, but it will probably be more interesting to those who have certain vintage gear with MIDI limitation.

Yes, you have to save your patch once you make your settings. Press and hold the Save/Load button, then press the MIDI In 1 button to save to that patch slot. Once you do that, it will automatically load those settings every time you power on.

If you still have trouble, use the contact form at conductivelabs.com to ask for assistance. We'll get it figured out.

Yes, the MRCC 880 has a very small feature set compared to the MRCC. It would be easier to look at MRCC MIDI Router Control Center to see if there are features that you can't live without. It's hard for us to know what's more important for your studio, but the devices are so much different it should become apparent if you are in need of more advanced filtering and MIDI conversion features or not. I would go so far as to say these two MIDI routers are for different use cases (but with a lot of overlap). The big MRCC being for a larger collection of MIDI gear where the 6 inputs and USB MIDI host ports would be needed. And likely wiring up a lot of devices at once. It's also got the features needed for the unusual needs of some vintage MIDI gear. The MRCC 880 is better for when you are growing out of a 1 in/1 out MIDI interface, or have a smaller collection of gear, or are selectively picking which instruments and sequencers to put on the table to jam on and leaving the rest on the shelf (I do that). Or if you are doing live jams on a select few pieces of gear and want something simple to be able to dynamically switch MIDI inputs and outputs. The thing they have in common which makes them unique amongst modern MIDI interfaces is the form factor, and button per port routing. And for MIDI processing, the MIDI clock filter and the MIDI Start/Stop/Continue filter are common. The big one has Channel mapping, velocity scaling, channel layers and keyboard splits, more filters, and MIDI modifiers such as CC scaling and note quantizing and other creative features that are more than just MIDI utilities, like arpeggiators and Note Map. The idea was that you could take any cheap USB MIDI keyboard and get all of the functionality (and more) of a modern full feature MIDI keyboard. If you want to get more into your specific needs, our forum is a good place for discussion of this topic. forum.conducivelabs.com.

@@ConductiveLabs This is a great reply, and the exact comparison I was looking for. My strong suggestion is that this would make for an excellent standalone comparison grid page on your site, which both product pages could reference. Empowering customers to confidently answer their own "who is this for?" questions is such an under-appreciated sales superpower. Thank you!

Yeah. Every box should have room for cables underneath :)

Thank you! Glad to hear it's meeting your needs!

When we designed The NDLR we were focused on the rhythm editor and velocity for accents, as we could adjust gate using synth envelope controls. However, we'd still really like to have gate, so stay tuned, we still plan to add it. We even demonstrated an alpha firmware at this year's Knobcon with Gate and another new feature that's in the works.

@@ConductiveLabs thank you, with analoge gear i mean the minibrute2s.

For sure! You can change MRCC presets with MIDI Program Change.

Thank you much Mick! And sorry for the long wait on the MRCC, we're getting the new batch tomorrow!

@@ConductiveLabs No worries, I have two on order through Foundsound in Melbourne Aus. Kind regards Mick.

You mean like a traditional arpeggiator, where you play a chord and it arps those notes? NDLR does not have a traditional arp function. The Conductive Labs MRCC has traditional arpeggiators, 6 of them!