Consider your pants shitted

Yeah anyone who played MG2:Solid Snake before MGS1 would've figured it out right away, also I wonder if anyone initially thought the "Ninja" was Kyle Scheneider, the Black Ninja from MG2, though I guess it would've only been someone from Japan since before MGS3:Subsistence's "Disc2 Persistence " MG2:Solid Snake had never been released in the US

This is a really old game so forgive it for not being cinematic but what happened was fox and snake were fighting hand to hand on a fucking minefield. Snake knocked his ass down and his stomach landed on a mine. Fox didn't die immediately so he's pretty much talking to snake with his guts everywhere. So now you know why solid snake has so much trauma

Venom snake was the big boss seen in the original metal gear game, here it’s the real big boss

His body was revived with nanomachines and parts of Liquid's and Solidus' bodies were given to Big Boss. When Snake destroyed GW in MGS4, Big Boss was finally set free.

To be fair, Big Boss was like 78 when this fight takes place. You can't really blame Big Boss for being a weak old man...

@@SchmittPlaythroughFR Ocelot was almost 75 in mgs 4 and yet he looked stronger than mgs3 ocelot. And I'm not sure but I think it was stated in the data book that big boss became stronger as he aged (like ocelot). And even if that's true big boss was still armed whil SS had nothing on him.

@@kyzersoze8408 Meh.

@@kyzersoze8408 Ocelot had Nanomachines in his body

“SoLiD sNaKe SuPrEmAcY fOr LiFe BaBy” 😂😂😂

But at the cost of his humanity, whatever was left of his sanity, and being in constant pain. So really him being turned into a cyborg ninja has more drawbacks then benefits.

@@ashtonchane6126 That's very true He became an undying shadow in a world of light😥

@@ashtonchane6126 Yeah Grey Fox in the cyborg ninja exoskeleton suit always gave me Darth Vader vibes

It’s sort of ironic. Technically Liquid never really met Big Boss after all despite fully believing he hated him from the very beginning and devoting his life to surpassing him.

@@nickbrown638 he met venom

@@thegamingprozone1941 as Nick Brown said, technically he didn’t meet the real big boss since he met Venom Snake. So it’s not the same thing, but I see what you are getting at

And I like how Liquid Snake tells Solid Snake the same thing during the jeep chase at the end of MGS1 "Not yet Snake, it's not over yet!" almost as though Solid is being haunted by the specter of Big Boss through Liquid

​@@texasgent4694 like father lime clone/son

Yes. Just before the last battle against The Boss herself.

The Boss in MGS3 is a reference to this.

No, not everything needs a remake.

@@Garcia1995 a hideo kojima remake i mean, not konami

@@dominicmarazita6058 Yeah they were constantly going back and changing the Canon, and like you said, every game is structured the same, infiltrate the base, eliminate the terrorists,destroy metal gear, lather, rinse, repeat, also you're absolutely right, essentially EVERY Metal Gear game after Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake was supposed to be the "last one" Lol

@@dominicmarazita6058 well i also heard that when Hideo Kojima made MGS2, He planned to end the series there as well

@@dominicmarazita6058 well 5 was his last

All of those are retcons yeah. Kojima pretty much never had a real long-term plan for the series. It was a bit acceptable before MGS4 since there was still enough of a solid foundation.

I think it was implied in Metal Gear 1 when you beat big boss, boss says a remark before being cut off. Though that was retconned as being a body double of Big Boss.

Salb814 the storyline is a mess now, but as far as I can follow this was the real one. The first Metal Gear had the double/phantom or whatever.

Wasn’t Big Boss resurrected or some shit since he dies as an old man, apologizing and saying farewell to snake

@Salb814 Yes. After getting cooked here, the Patriots recover Big Boss's body, restore enough to not die, and keep him in a nanomachine-induced coma. He stays that way until EVA manages to steal his body and restore it with skin grafts from Liquid and Solidus's corpses. Once Solid Snake defeats the Patriot AIs, the coma spell is lifted and Big Boss awakens. He was already an old man before the coma though and he actually dies from the Foxdie virus Snake is infected with.

@@Teknanam really just incredibly silly and convoluted. Should have just retconned how BB gets defeated in this game so as to not have to include weird skin graft/nanomachine nonsense.

It's kinda of tragic if you think about it, in order for Jack/Naked Snake to earn the title of "Big Boss " He had to kill His mentor The Boss, and in order for Solid Snake to become "The Legendary Mercenary " He had to "kill" His Father Big Boss, though in MGS4 we find out that Big Boss survived this encounter but was 99.9999999% dead when He was recovered by The Patriots

In SSBU, Palutena is aware of Snake's reputation as the legendary mercenary.

This isn't Venom Snake. This is the real Big Boss. Venom got killed in the first Metal Gear.

@@Teknanam I know, I meant that you killed venom for nothing and BB is still alive

@@Teknanam Then who is the Big Boss in MGS4???

@@hackmedia7755 The original. Naked Snake.

@@Teknanam it shows him dying here that's what makes no sense.

Um what? The big boss you fight in metal gear 2 IS big boss

No, it's a reference to MGS1 where Liquid says the same thing.

you mean venom?

@@tomfooler9398 venom snake is dead in mg1 . in mg2 it s naked snake bigg boss him selfe

Ocelot?? "boss, BOSS!? BOOOOOSSSS!!!"

@@ilikepigeons6101 "Meow ? MEOW ?! MEOOOOOOW !!!!!!"

@@johntrent018 ocelot is an actual character lol

@MegadonG Big Boss didn't particularly like any of his clone sons and what their existence represented. If he wanted a son, he'd call Venom his son, not the test tube babies made from his stolen DNA. He trained Solid a little bit, but he intended for Solid Snake to die back when he infiltrated Outer Heaven. Instead, Solid Snake survived, disobeyed orders, destroyed Metal Gear, Venom Snake, AND the entire Outer Heaven facility. And now here is Solid Snake again, fresh from destroying Boss's latest Metal Gear and his trusted lieutenant Grey Fox. He respected Solid Snake's ability as a soldier, but he's still a thorn in BB's side by thwarting his plans again.

In outer heaven men become demons who become memes who become fiddles.

@@imustbeames3727 and we play them.

Every other world including the US

Big Boss never sent children to war. The kids says that BB is like a father to them.

Konami is pretty much out of videogames now

Then you get to hear how cold and methodical Big Boss is, how well he understands the cycle of war. Every complains about how Big Boss came to be, but in my eyes, it all makes sense and he knows how to keep the war without end going.

@@MechWarrior894 doesnt mean he was right. Big boss was just a broken man by this point

@@guilhermehank4938 of course it doesnt mean what he did was right, but you can't help but see the logic behind it

Spray.... And a lighter as a makeshift flamethrower.

If you squint really hard, and use your imagination, he *is* using it

@@xxxCrackerJack501xxx uh

@@MrMatu2t venom is metal gear 1 dumbass

@@MrMatu2t Venom Snake alive @ Zanzibar Land!? Hmmm.....

@@XeviousD ohhh My mistake I though it was the first Game My bad

Richard Doyle now, or a very scratchy Sutherland

what are you, 12?

@@nile2128 hes not wrong, I beat metal gear 2 and while the story was good the combat just looked and felt like playing with lego minifigures. The combat hasn't aged well.

Did you feel the same way about MGS1?

Only mg1 and mg2. Mgs1 and onwards are good as they are. Graphics aren't everything and we need the story to come full circle first.

the first game could use a remake, but i think this one holds up pretty well.

@@necklup4407 well they should retcon the whole "big boss is killed by a homemade flamethrower"

fuck that i want mgx and mg2 to be remade in the fox engine with improved mgs v gameplay,you have to be old and delusional as fuck to still prefer pixel games

@@oogaboogie Nah.

​@@mr.spider6859 Man I can't help but think of how gruesome Solid Snake flame grilling Big Boss would be with current-gen graphics