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@laurabayerschmidt3976 4 күн бұрын
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@crumber-v9i 25 күн бұрын
Sehr schönes Boot
@katamaranscom Ай бұрын
Good review! I'm not too sure about that nav station position.... I prefer the new generation designs personally, 44, 48
@janwantstosail Ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment! I didnt like this one either, but there were different saloon layouts with different nav stations for the 46 Open. Our next boat will have a port facing nav station, but next to the saloon table, which is better for map work anyhow. Couldnt check neither the 44 nor the 48 yet. But also curious. Need to try!
@ToneBekkestad 2 ай бұрын
Could you please share what kind of dishwasher you chose? Thank you🙏
@janwantstosail 2 ай бұрын
Actually I dont know (yet), what type of dishwasher it is, but I will know soon. Only I know, it is a "regular" slim line machine as it is used in house kitchens.
@Mordalo 2 ай бұрын
I would never buy a new boat. 5-10 year in good shape seems to be the sweet spot.
@janwantstosail 2 ай бұрын
Hey @Mordalo, I had the same opinion until I really started searching for the yachts and I started negotiations. Many "affordable" charter yachts, the btter ones were really expensive and in the same price range of new yachts that even come with warranty. I think the market is already changing and soon your conclusion will be right (again).
@Mordalo 2 ай бұрын
@@janwantstosail Actually, my reasoning was more about problem shake out than anything else. Warranty is pretty much meaningless when I am 6K miles from where I purchased it., or dealer. 😉😉
@janwantstosail 2 ай бұрын
@@Mordalo agree, also that was my original reasoning. Now we bought a yacht with an already higher hull number with already some upgrades/improvements. Mulan is being built by one of the biggest yachtbuilders in the world with bases everywhere. We agreed to have a full yacht check in Las Palmas and then again in Grenada. If something warranty related happens on the way, I send a message what is broken and they try to get the stuff to the next base again and fix it there. Before we take off, we also will do some days/weeks of sea trials. All that made me more confident, that we can try this tour with a new yacht.
@user-sj2nr2jh1u 2 ай бұрын
Great video Jan. Why a mono cruiser should be less comfortable at anchor than a performance cruiser or racer makes little sense though. Guess you are going with the Nautitech 44. In that case its not overlapping genoa but selftacking jib right? All the best
@janwantstosail 2 ай бұрын
Hey, thanks a lot for your comment! I sailed on numerous monos and cats and I always felt much more comfortable on cats at anchor and this for multiple reasons: When waves or swell come from the side, monos tend to rock more than cats, Also on cats you have much more space to walk around, some nice trampolines to relax in. If you have a flybridge or skylounge, you have a great view up there as well. We have space to hang up and sleep in hammocks. Another benefit is, that the main living area is all up above with a good visibility all around through the anchorage. For the kids it was great to jump off the coachroof and when the sun is burning we were swimming between the hulls. Also usually cats have a shallower draft, so you can get closer to shore. In the evening, it is easy to lift up the dinghy and to lock it in place. Well, This sounds really biassed,.. I also love to be at anchor on a Mono and I also really enjoy that, so it sounds more drastic than i mean it. And we did Not go for a Nautitech, but another performance cat with aft helms. ;-) Length waterline: 44 ft, LoA: 52 ft,.. Also we have an overlapping genoa plus a huge code 0. I can't wait to hoist the sails!
@user-sj2nr2jh1u 2 ай бұрын
@@janwantstosail I agree with your cats vs mono argument at anchor. But your charts showed +es on racers and performance cruisers. Outremer?!
@janwantstosail 2 ай бұрын
@@user-sj2nr2jh1u In my eyes this also applies to performance cats/racers. No skylounge/flybridge though and less comfortable seating. But trampolin is great there as well. No Outremer. 😞 We were searching for an Outremer 49 but coldn't find one on sale. We checked the Outremer 45 but this one was really, really small for us. I am just 1,80m tall and I hit my head in the cabins,.. The Outremer 51 also is surprisingly small (and already financially out of range) and the Outremer 55 is far out of reach already.
@hamkahamid2044 Ай бұрын
@@janwantstosail sounds like a HH
@janwantstosail Ай бұрын
@@hamkahamid2044 no, also no HH. We have no raised helm, but helms at the aft of either hull. Although I like them a lot,..
@janwantstosail 2 ай бұрын
For more information about the yachts that I refer to, check the links in the video description. Let me know, what you think. Am I right with my conclusions?
@manfredgrobel2068 3 ай бұрын
I sticked a Z-Profile over the little aft window and no more water came in from above unless rain came from behind in the harbor.
@manfredgrobel2068 3 ай бұрын
Strange, same boat both engines 2500 RpM give me 10+ kt. Might depend on the centent of the water and fuel tank.
@manfredgrobel2068 4 ай бұрын
Something wrong. I habe the same boat and with 2 engines at 2500 RpM. I make 9 kt. One engine 2300 gives 6,5 kt. Brige deck is much higher than most of the other catamarans.
@janwantstosail 4 ай бұрын
Hey Manfred, vielen Dank für den Kommentar! Is this yacht not available with different engine options and different props? I should have chhecked the setup on this yacht. And you are probably right, I did not encounter any bridge deck slapping, but we also didnt face high seas. Usually had caln waters.
@manfredgrobel2068 4 ай бұрын
@@janwantstosail I have 50 hp and folding prop.
@janwantstosail 4 ай бұрын
@@manfredgrobel2068 we were quite loaded with 10 people and most time had full water tanks and full fuel tanks, but I cant imagine, this is the reason. The hull was ok (not really clean, but also no barnackles),.. good question,..
@manfredgrobel2068 4 ай бұрын
@@janwantstosail OK, I am just with my wife on board and I do not carry more water or fuel as necessary. So weight explains nearly all.
@janwantstosail 4 ай бұрын
Yes, makes sense. How is your overall satisfaction with the yacht? You agree to my observations? How is the build quality of your yacht? Cheers and thanks a lot!
@CoffeeNBagel 5 ай бұрын
What a coincidence! I have booked the same boat for my first family sailing trip this summer.
@janwantstosail 4 ай бұрын
You will have a great time on her! Enjoy! ;-)
@sv_endless6340 5 ай бұрын
I LOVE BALI Cat's. 5.4 very good for chartering business
@janwantstosail 5 ай бұрын
Agree, for Charter especially for bathing holidays with family they are great. Tons of space, different seating/lounging areas,..
@steveshoulders 6 ай бұрын
Hello , I noticed that the saloon table was not equipped with an integrated bar. Did you find the shorter stainless steel table legs to convert it into an additional bed ?
@janwantstosail 6 ай бұрын
Hello Steve, thanks for your comment! I could not find any other legs. As far as I remember, the tables on this boat could not be adjusted. Cheers!
@hatemtawfik 7 ай бұрын
This boat offers so much more than the lagoon 46 yet the resale price speaks of the unspeakable.
@janwantstosail 7 ай бұрын
Every boat is a compromise and to put a ton of people onto a boat, you automatically end up with bad ventilation and smaller cabins which again lower the value for private owners after charter. The Bali 4.6 is not eversyone's cup of tea. in my eyes it is purely a charter yacht for family holidays or a swimming party platform. And there she delivers almost like no other boat of that size.
@jesper1406 7 ай бұрын
There's one here in the marina in my town in Spain. It's for charter, but the reviews of the Bali 4.6 on their homepage are so bad, that they're now selling it after only one season. 1,5 million euros they paid, and it's for sale for 1 million euro. Half a million down the drain! 😢
@janwantstosail 7 ай бұрын
Well, I wouldn't be that harsh on her, but 500K difference in once year is painful,.. (I wouldnt pay 1.5 mil for her in the first place!)
@hatemtawfik 7 ай бұрын
So you think I would go for the lagoon 46 instead ?
@janwantstosail 7 ай бұрын
Hello @@hatemtawfik, thanks for yoru comment! I once sailed the Lagoon 450F for one week and I did not like sailing on her. At Anchor it was great though. I never had this indirect rudder feel before and after and i asume, the Lagoon 46 will be similar. Also it depends, what you want to do. For family holidays the Fly is great, for ocean crossings only with a sport top, because with the Fly the boom is really high and it is hard to put the sails back into the lazyjack. Now we are in the buying process with another yacht, which I consider having the best of those and the Nautitech 46. and as I see it for now without the downfalls of either of them. Stay tuned, as soon as the handover is done, there will be many new videos!
@CenterofLift 8 ай бұрын
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@mattclark6482 8 ай бұрын
Hey Jan, one of my favorite catamarans is the Catana 50 footers (not Bali), but like this Nautitech they also have the exposed exterior dual helms which kinda kills the whole boat for me. Questions 1) One of my biggest problems is fear of someone being on a night watch and falling off the boat from the helm in those precarious positions. Do you think that's a realistic fear or am I making a mountain out of a mole hill? 2) Do you perceive any way to build durable Bimini that might make the helms more bearable? It seems like the potential for interference with sheets is pretty high unless you keep it simple (as in this Nautitech). Thanks
@janwantstosail 8 ай бұрын
Hey Matt, Thanks for your comment! To your questions: 1.) I totally share your fear and this is actually also one downside of those aft helms. (No, you don't make a mountain out of a mole hill in my eyes) I would feel much more comfortable with more boat behind me and a more protective backrest/structure, not with flimsy reiling lines, which even cover quite some distance. You feel safe towards the front, but don't look back, when big waves are rolling in! ;-) Also the movements at the aft tip of the boat are more intense then e.g. on a central helm. When discussing this topic with Excess dealers (They also have aft helms), they stated: "It is just like on normal monohulls" . May be true, but for ocean crossings on a mono, I also would prefer a center cockpit over those aft helms. The main advantage with aft helms is in my eyes, that you can see the whole crew at any time as long as they are not down in the hulls and docking can't be any easier. Yes, can see sails better and you have a better feel for the rudder, but therefore part of the view is blocked by the superstructure. 2.) Well, when sailing long distances, the autohelm does 95% of the steering (in normal situations). so you can be out of the elements in "normal" conditions anyhow. In the rain I sometimes steered from inside with the remote control. The aft helms are far apart, so you just sit on the side, where you get the shadow from the Main or from the roof. Against rain, there is no much protection with those tiny umbrellas and I don't see, how you could properly enclosure them without sacrificing boat handling. I would not want to be there in a storm, when big waves are running in though. I am still puzzled, which yacht we shall go for. Time is ticking,..
@mattclark6482 8 ай бұрын
@@janwantstosail Thank Jan, I really appreciate your thoughts, The only boat that checks all my boxes is the Catana 50 OC. It's a performance boat with a more interior helm and yet relatively comfortable. The problem is there are only like 5 of those in existence and so you're pretty much buying one new and I would rather not be the guy absorbing the steep initial depreciation of a new boat. I will probably end up settling for a less performance based boat. Thanks Again
@janwantstosail 8 ай бұрын
Hey@@mattclark6482 You are welcome! The Catana OC 50, you mean the new one (with garage door and half elevated helm) or the older one with the helm aft? For me it is the Neel 51 ticks all boxes, but she is currently out of my range 😞. The runner up for me is the Outremer 49, which could get into my budget range, but currently noone is for sale (If anyone wants to sell an Outremer 49, please contact me!!!. ) For pure sailing sensation, the Neel 45 was the best so far, but my wife doesn't like it and I agree, it is quite mimimalistic,... Either way, a yacht is always a compromise. I always wanted to check a Catana 47, but also here I had the concerns with the helm aft. Also with remaining budget constraints, the boats also get less performance based for me.
@mattclark6482 8 ай бұрын
@@janwantstosail Sorry, I'm responding in the wrong place. I was referring to the Catana 50 OC (Ocean class). I don't think it has a garage door (more of a big sliding door), but yes it has a more Outremer like interior helm. Outremer is certainly the boat that everyone wants, they just seem cramped to me. I think your Neel review was excellent and I agree I need to give that more thought.
@janwantstosail 8 ай бұрын
@@mattclark6482 please wait with offers until I got the go-/no-Go from my wife! ;-) We want to buy a yacht within the next 5 months. If you wait till May 2026, you could buy our boat then!
@munayowell1 8 ай бұрын
Is it just USB? No plugs?
@janwantstosail 8 ай бұрын
There are also power plugs in the cabins, but there are more USB plugs distributed. To which time in the video do you refer here? Cheers!
@mattclark6482 8 ай бұрын
Thank You for the very thorough review. I don't think anyone buying this boat is seriously thinking of sailing upwind, this is the ultimate condo-cat and that has a lot of appeal to some people (possibly me). In the sailing yacht vs. motor yacht discussion, this is essentially a motor yacht that leans into sailing. When put in that context it becomes a lot more likeable. My biggest concern is whether you really feel like you're sailing or are you so ensconced in luxury that the joys of sailing are substantially muted and you might as well be on a motor yacht.
@janwantstosail 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for your great comment! I felt, and i mean it in the best possible way, like on comfortable driftwood. Yes, she sails, maybe not even as bad as it sounds in my review (i am a spoiled brat in regards of sailing), but she also is not as fast as motor vessels. If you have time and you want to drift with the wind along the coast in comfort and zip a cocktail in the shade on the rooftop of your floating condo, this is the yacht for you. Since I love the sensation of sailing with speed like a good handling dingi, she is not for me. (Maybe I will think different in 30 years though) ;-)
@mattclark6482 8 ай бұрын
@@janwantstosail Well Put! Sounds like the automatic transmission of the sailing world, it gets you there but you're fairly disconnected from the experience. Thanks again for the review.
@janwantstosail 8 ай бұрын
@@mattclark6482 yep and this year we will do the first big transition! We will buy a yacht soon,.. Will upload more videos soon. Cheers!
@mattclark6482 8 ай бұрын
@@janwantstosail Sweet, yes, I subscribed and I'm looking forward to seeing more of your content.
@davidhenderson433 8 ай бұрын
Probably best to rent hotels rooms and not yachts All you did was complain
@janwantstosail 8 ай бұрын
Hello @davidhenderson433, Probably there is a misunderstanding. I intend to show everything as I see it. I point out what I like and what I dislike. It is my honest review and I try to help others, who intend to buy or charter one of the yachts, that I review. It is not meant as complaining or bashing, actually the opposite is right: The yacht is great for family holidays as we did and I think, I pointed this out quite often, how much we liked it. I also would pick this yacht over hotels every time.This yacht was the right pick for us for this week. That being said, I am personally searching for other type of yachts, that are more seaworthy and also more agile.
@janwantstosail 9 ай бұрын
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@janwantstosail 9 ай бұрын
Today's speed run through all public areas of the BOOT 2024 fair in Düsseldorf! I was almost running, the video was recorded in 5x speed. Of course not every aisle is shown, but at least every exhibition hall and some parts of the outside area.
@maddocmucmaddocmuc5341 9 ай бұрын
Hi Jan, got me a Neel 45 in 2021. Stent 16 weeks on it meanwhile and I love it. It is a competition version with carbon mast and Daggerboard. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4Tbn36JnJhkqcUsi=P6x54S3gBuIOuG3z
@hatemtawfik 10 ай бұрын
As a proud owner of the Lagoon 42 and very happy with the finishing and the after service. I was thinking of upgrading to 4.6 but the issues of ventilation and poor sailing performance are really worrisome 😢. On the hand, this boat looks amazing, as good as the Lagoon 51
@janwantstosail 10 ай бұрын
Hey @hatemtawfik, which model year of the Lagoon 42 do you own? Happy to read, you are satisfied with the quality and service! I chartered a Lagoon 450Fly in 2018 for a week in Thailand and it was great regarding space and comfort at anchor, but the helm feel was vague/indirect and for the sailing experience it was more at the lower end of cats that I chartered so far. The 4.6 is quite similar, only has a much larger flybridge and a forward cockpit, which we also extensively used. Wouldnt take either for a circumnavigation, but you can have great family holidays on both! Didn't check out the Lagoon 51 yet, since Lagoons went out of my focus because of the reasons above,..
@hatemtawfik 10 ай бұрын
@@janwantstosail 2022 but delivery was in 2023. The build quality is superb I must say. Lagoon apparently listens to owners' comments and the after sales is simply superb. According to the FB group, the build quality has dramatically improved from the 2017/2018 models, but the price of the Bali is so much lower.
@janwantstosail 10 ай бұрын
Great to hear! I am currently thinking about an Excess 14, which also belongs to the same group. Build quality is paramount,.. do not want to get lost at sea,.
@craignielsen8906 10 ай бұрын
Ventilation poor is a dramatic understatement! We charters in the Grenadines, half of the crew slept outside as was intolerable below decks. The boat was designed to stay plugged in at the dock! If your generator worked you could run AC but who wants to listen to that at anchor. We chartered the 4.4, the the household fridge runs on AC powered through the inverter and is very in efficient. The hatches (4) 2 in the forward sail lockers and 2 in the forward birth stbd and one in port head opened backwards and thus were essentially useless. I personally would not charter this boat again ever! As for sailing, it just doesn’t!
@janwantstosail 10 ай бұрын
With us also most people slept on deck too. Fortunately there is enough space ;-) also it was not so freakingly hot, when we were on the way. I agree with all your points, nevertheless we had great holidays and the kids loved jumping off the coachroof, the mid-aged had sundowners on the roof terrace and my 80+ years old parents had a comfortable time underway in the forward cockpit. I think, the owners version will have a better ventilation though. You surely should not take this yacht, if your focus is on sailing.
@eaglee4010 11 ай бұрын
Very, very nice boat. Only the raised helmsman position is unacceptable. As a result, the boom is too high.
@janwantstosail 11 ай бұрын
Right, but it really depends, what you want and where/when you sail. For a family charter with sea monkeys it should be OK. I dislike, that the bimini top only has slim stripes to walk on and that entering the top gets dangerous in waves. I suppose, that many charterers will not often hoist the mainsail,..
@eaglee4010 11 ай бұрын
Very, very nice boat. Only the raised helmsman position is unacceptable. As a result, the boom is too high.
@janwantstosail 10 ай бұрын
Yep, agree, although this could be improved with better stairs to the bimini andnalso a more wide/more stirdy walkway to zip/unzip the main sail. Not for ocean crossings but great for family holidays. Each yacht is a compromise, there simply is no perfect yacht,..
@janwantstosail 11 ай бұрын
One correction: The Bavaria C42 has a draught of 2.1m! (Standard 2.1m, optional 1.7m): www.bavariayachts.com/sailing-yachts/c42/data-and-options/
@franciscopaiva958 Жыл бұрын
Very good video! I think is the first sail review of a Bali in KZbin
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! Well, my channel's name is "Jan wants to sail" :-)
@ExAfricaNovi Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@janwantstosail 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@iammr2001 Жыл бұрын
Great review!
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! :-)
@franciscopaiva958 Жыл бұрын
When we can expect the video? Very promissor !
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
Still on the boat, now at anchor at Port Grimaud, will return home next weekend. Probably the video will be done the week after. Cheers!
@ExAfricaNovi Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the objective an valuable assessment! One thing I keep wondering with regards to catamarans is the size of the holding tank. I cant imagine voiding them in an anchor bay but I also would think it would make sense to be able to stay for a few days at the same place before leaving for the sole purpose of voiding the black water tank. So my question would be, how large are the holding tanks on this boat, how many grown ups and children were there and how long did they last until they were full?
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
Hey Steffen, we were out on the open sea every day, so we could not check that. But I think, the tanks have a reasonable size. Can look up the sheets and compare them to other known yachts too. Anyhow, where we plan to go, the holding tank will not be critical. In the Baltic sea, this is a serious topic though.
@ExAfricaNovi Жыл бұрын
@@janwantstosail Thanks! Do you have an estimate, though, how much holding tank volume per person per day is required?
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
@@ExAfricaNovi uh, nope, sorry. I also was never in the situation, that the holding tank was full. If I would have to guess, I would say, ca 2-4 liters per person per day. I just checked, The Neel 45 has 50l so with 2 people it should be fine for a week. With 10 people and lots of good food and drinks, one day would be the limit, but as said, I never experienced that.
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
Ah, the Nautitech 46 has 2*60l=120l. Should last some time then.
@ExAfricaNovi Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@Mathias-kq7qi Жыл бұрын
Hallo Jan, tolles Review! Vielen Dank für die Arbeit die du da reingesteckt hast. Ich habe eine Frage bzgl. Theoretischer Ausbildung: Wie denkst du über den SKS? Unbedingt empfehlenswert wenn man wie du ernsthaft die Weltmeere segeln will oder reicht genügend Praxis? Wie hast du deine Praxis bekommen bevor du das erste Mal eine Yacht gechartert hast? Hintergrund meiner Frage ist: Mein größter Traum ist mit eigenem Boot den Atlantik zu überqueren und die Karibik zu entdecken und ich frage mich wie ich das am besten angehe. Viele Grüße , Mathias
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
Hallo Matthias, vielen Dank! Ich kann Deinen Traum nur zu gut nachvollziehen! 😊 Mit dem SBF See darfst Du auf dem eigenen Boot auch über den Atlantik segeln. Ohne SKS (und ggf. ohne SRC) bekommst Du aber bei vernünftigen Vercharterern kein Boot. Auch sonst würde ich zumindest den SKS empfehlen. Beim SKS lernt man noch viel über die Bootstechnik und Notsituationen. Dazu muss man ein paar Manöver fahren. Aber richtig segeln lernt man nur durch viel Praxis. Ich selbst habe mit knapp 10 Jahren mit dem Opti angefangen und bin früh auch große Regatten gesegelt, dann 420er. Die erste Yacht (Gib Sea 33) hatte ich allerdings in Thailand nur mit einem A-Schein (Vorgänger zum SBF Binnen, den ich mit 14 gemacht hatte, also ohne Motorzusatz) gechartert, das hatte dort niemanden interessiert. Aus heutiger Sicht finde ich das allerdings fahrlässig, auch wenn ich schon etliche Meilen gesegelt war. Aber ich war halt jung,.. Inzwischen habe ich aber auch SSS und LRC und plane nächstes Jahr noch den SHS, allerdings das alles nur zum "Spaß" und aus Interesse. Würde mit SBF Binnen/See und Jollen anfangen, weil man da ein sehr gutes Gespür für den Wind bekommt, dann SKS, (danach oder davor) Skippertraining und mehrfach chartern. Segeln selbst lernt man sehr schnell, aber vor Allem in Stresssituationen ist es wichtig, die Lage schnell und richtig einzuschätzen und da hilft nur Übung. Lass Dich nie entmutigen. Viele meinen es besser zu wissen, sind aber nur Dumschwätzer. Also raus aufs Wasser und lass Dich den Wind spüren und das Boot durch das Wasser gleiten!
@Mathias-kq7qi Жыл бұрын
@@janwantstosail Hallo Jan, herzlichen Dank für deine Antwort! Ich werde deinem Rat folgen und den SKS irgendwann machen. SBF habe ich schon und seit diesem Jahr segel ich mit eigenem Boot, einem Hobie17 Kat. Es macht viel Spass. Bin gespannt auf dein nächstes Video! Ich hoffe du lässt uns weiter an deinen Erfahrungen Teil haben. Viele Grüße
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
A quick and dirty video editing this time,... Next video will be about a Bali 4.6, when we sail with our extended family in France this summer! Subscribe for more!
@navalgazingatcampdavid Жыл бұрын
Fantastic channel Jan! Love it!
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! Great to connect! Curious about your future videos and also about your choice!
@navalgazingatcampdavid Жыл бұрын
@@janwantstosail Honestly, I’m still learning so much and my choice seems to change monthly. The audience teaches me so much. I have the benefit of so many deeply experienced sailors, many of whom have differing opinions. As a result I get a well rounded perspective…but it shifts. Lol.
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
@@navalgazingatcampdavid well, I charter yachts every year, also I sometimes work as sailing instructor for the german coastal skipper license. My thoughts also often change. Important is to know, what your NoGos are and also what you really need. From the yachts that you presented in the Neel 52 video, all are a good choice in my eyes, every one with pros and cons though, but none would be a dealbreaker fo me. It always is a compromise. And do never listen to people, who have never sailed on those yachts! Every time before charter, I read and watch every review, but real life is different. Sail yourself for a few days, if possible!
@kirk9671 Жыл бұрын
When I crossed the atlantic in an open 46 - I only sat at the helm for fun.
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
And how was it? Could you recommend the Nautitech 46? Any issues? We had some, as discussed in the video: leakages through sealant at the windows, broken bulkhead stb aft,..
@kirk9671 Жыл бұрын
@@janwantstosail Mine is new and has a stiffer hull and different salon layout. I don't have those leaks. I had two batches reseated under warranty. I have one more leak in am looking for. I still have another year of warranty. Sadly, I think finding install errors is normal for all boats.
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
@Kirk, thanks a lot for the quick reply! Install errors is normal, the broken sealants also were no showstoppers. Only the bulkhead was a red flag. During the whole trip I kindof felt that something was odd and not right. We reefed early and I did not feel so good, but couldnt name it until we saw the broken bulkhead back in the marina. I wish and hope that you will be fine with your yacht though. The Nautitech has many pros though! Which layout did you have? Pantry to the aft on port?
@kirk9671 Жыл бұрын
@@janwantstosail They redesigned the bulkheads on the newer version. I got mine from horizon yacht charters in bvi. I picked it up in France.
@wpo964zzz Жыл бұрын
本当にこれは最高。 欲しい(^▽^)/
@DRB68 Жыл бұрын
Great weekender if you have the cash
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
Sadly that Dragonflys even second hand and a few years old are really expensive. On the other side, few boats can generate that speed and fun. As a weekender I would go for the smaller 32 ft, which easily fits onto a trailer and costs less than half.
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
A really fast racer/cruiser for weekends or holiday trips with a couple plus kids or occasional guests? This one starts at around €700k, can be specked up to €1 Mio+. The smaller versions are cool too but come for a fraction of the price and can even be trailered. What do you think about this "Speedboat"?
@helms5hieldmaiden Жыл бұрын
I've sailed on a dragonfly and the construction is solid. I'd love to see dragonfly with a 50ft version. Performance is pretty awesome.
@J07J Жыл бұрын
Great to see you here...
@davidwebber6956 Жыл бұрын
TERRIBLE BUILD QUALITY. !! very expensive boats as well and leaking after 4 years and broken bulk heads !!!
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
At the BOOT 2023 in Düsseldorf I had a discussion with the sales representative for Nautitech and I was not the only one reporting the leakages. Hope, they find a sustainable solution for it. The bulkhead issue was unique (and desastrous) though. We need more reviews and comments to push the manufacturers to deliver a good quality. Attention helps for sure! Also he was happy to hear my other thoughts and the potential for improvement. The concept is not bad though in my eyes.
@davidwebber6956 Жыл бұрын
The leaking roof seems just the start ! After the fuel tank joke you wonder what else is wrong . I was going to but a new 44 but it seems either save some money and get the new leopard 42 or go big and look at a Balance or MC .
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
@@davidwebber6956 if money was no option, the choice would be much easier I would say. With our budget we still have to compromise unfortunately. As a kid I was sailing boat races and I simply dont like condomarans, which limits the choice even further. But I am an engineer myself, so there are many things I can fix or rebuild myself. So the boat must have a solid structure/good design and I can do lots of customization then. With unlimited budget I probably would go for an HH 55 or a Balance 526 ot maybe an Outremer 55. With a little more budget probably a Balance 482 or Seawind 1470. Only I still feel intreagued by the Neels, which still offer lots of bang for the buck.
@davidwebber6956 Жыл бұрын
Jan. I'm on a very limited budget so will probably land up with a 40 foot FP and enjoy the extra time sailing !
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
@@davidwebber6956 We may charter an FP 45 this year to check that yacht out. Many of them are on sale for more or less affordable prices. Our budget is not finally fixed yet, but the boat must safely carry 4-8 people around the world (and offer some sailing fun). Either way, the target is to start sailing and we still have 18 months to find the right boat for us! :-)
@marcbachman5574 Жыл бұрын
Your sailing performance was lacking because you needed the code zero, Genoa, or screacher. The main and self tacking Jib is only good in 20 knots of wind.
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
You are right. I always ask for more sails, but usually my requests get refused, although I offer to pay for them.
@dhincks1 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like a part from the cabinetry you were impressed. Certainly from a sailing point of view. When I had a Corsair f31 it would dance quite a bit at anchor if using just the main hull. When I set up a bridal using one of the ama's centering the anchor rode between the main and the ama the boat would settle down and was fine. I really appreciated the lack of roll when anchoring in cove's with open ocean exposure. What a dream to sail. Also really liked sailing off shore being able to set a coffee and or a meal down and not worrying about it sliding off the table or deck. I love trimarans
@janwantstosail 10 ай бұрын
I fully agree. Thanks a lot for your comment! Soon we will see, which boat we will get for our endeavour,..
@ericolson9573 2 жыл бұрын
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@janwantstosail 2 жыл бұрын
Other obsevations, not mentioned in the video: -aft cleats are installed vertical, which makes line handling more challenging -cleats could be one size bigger at least -in-built handrails in the coachroof can be used to catch rain water -line handling through many blocks increases friction, so we hoisted the main sail from the mast -Chart plotters from B&G got extremely hot (charter manager said, this only happens, when 2 repeaters to the nain unit are used) -no password for the B&G, so I could not connect my other NMEA-2000 devices for more testing -dinghy was great, could carry the whole crew of 9 easily -cockpit has enclosures, which even extends saloon -saloon windows are sloped, so they are really confortable to lean at, when sitting on foredeck (which again makes them dirty and decreases visibility from the helm) -engine compartments are huge and well accessible -aft cabins have bigger beds then stern cabins, but stern cabins have much more cabinets available. -Reportedly the matraces were really confortable (i slept in cockpit) -cabin and head doors can fall into lock position, so there is a risk to lock you out. (But can re-enter through the walk-through-shower -my wife got less sea sick than on the Neel, but on the Neel we also had much more wind and waves. -when engins idle and engaged, they already have substantial thrust, so be careful in the marina -tacking was surprisingly easy. Just Autopilot in wind control +/-90° and wait. Boat went through the wind really well. Then re-tune to ca. 38° wind angle which makes ca. 45° effective. When tacking against the wind in tight areas, we left traveller in middle position, self tacking jib also helped. -single handed sailing is easy, even docking, especially sidewise from starboard -sail preparations are really easy on the huge and flat coachroof and with the boom on or even below waist hight -reefing was really easy with single reefing lines to the cockpit. Reefed under sails without engine smoothly -everywhee more than enough headroom for myself (1.79m, 5'11) -winch positions are great and offer multi-usage e.g. for lifting dinghi, pulling shore lines, etc. Only main halyard winch is powered, but anyhow we always operate manual. (I want to feel the resistance in order not to break anything and after all, sailing is a sport) -cockpit protection is just great, always slept there, even in rain and wind. -gas bottles are below cockpit bench and hard to reach to cut off gas supply after cooking -2nd hand yachts available for between €550k and €900k -Pitter Yachting did a great job, happy with especially their staff at site (may I tell your name here?) -Coratia seems to be a big rip off to me: mooring at national parks €85+ per night, many small national parks next to each other, so a 3 day ticket was only valid in a small area. Also almost no sea-life or land life, for what I would call it a national park. Marinas are freakingly expensive, as I investigated €190 for one night in an ACI Marina for our Yacht, although not much infrastructure. Limited anchorages, mainly expensive moorings. Also we had to pay tourist tax, etc. Biggest pros: lots of space and visibility from everywhere (but the helm) Biggest cons: poor visibility from helm, speed below expectations, quality below expectations (sealings, aft bulkhead, wall and ceiling panels comming off) Verdict: We keep on searching! 😜
@navalgazingatcampdavid Жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Thanks for the feedback!
@janwantstosail Жыл бұрын
@@navalgazingatcampdavid i think you would be mostly interested in the Neel 45 review that I made one year ago! I really love that boat! This year we will be monohull sailing but also a Catana Bali 4.6 (i know no performance yacht, but we are 12 people this time and the Neel 52 is not available yet! ;-)
@mattclark6482 8 ай бұрын
@@janwantstosail I did watch that one, another excellent video. I agree I need to consider the Neel as well.
@janwantstosail 2 жыл бұрын
Feel free to comment and please subscribe for more boat tests! Does anyone have a Neel 51, Outremer 49/51 or other fast cruising cats/tris available which we could charter for tests? We are searching for a cruising cat to sail around the world starting in November 2024. If possible between 3 and 10 years old, 4 double cabins, 44 to 55 feet, bluewater capable. Also sorry for not putting in engine bay videos, I unfortunately hat the phone on picture settings when getting in and did not start the video recording. More videos to come with other yachts, so subscribe to stay tuned
@Winbasis-Sail 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Jan, I have appreciated the test of this cat and more of this the Neel 45 (I wouldl like to buy a N45 if available at a good price).From what I see in your video you have reach, roughly speaking, half the speed of real wind in term of GPS speed of Nautitech 46 Open; it is correct? Is this spoeed level get with code-0 or a gennaker or only with white sails? Thanks in advance for your reply!
@janwantstosail 2 жыл бұрын
@@Winbasis-Sail thanks a lot for the feedback! We only had both boats with the white and previously rigged sails. I opted for the Code-0 for the Neel but they refused to give it to me. Generally I feel, the Neel picked up speed with much more ease, so I also would feel more confident to sail the Neel with a Code 0 or Gennaker, since increasing wind speeds transform into boat speed immediately and I felt less pulling on the rig therefore. The Neel sailed with 90% wind speed where the Nautitech had ca. 50% wind speed. So the Neel was almost twice as fast. But also th Neel had two head sails, which also made adjustments easier. One side-note: i was not allowed to adjust the daggerboard, which was in a middle position with thr Neel so we did not reach full tagging or downwind performance. I would love to test much more! For sailing, the Neel is the absolute highlight, for space thr Nautitech offers much more.
@Winbasis-Sail 2 жыл бұрын
@@janwantstosail Thanks! I suppose it was like that! In my cat after more than a year of tuning, I have reach a speed (SOG) of 70% of TWS and I was satisfy with that. But the impressive performance of Neel 45 takes my heart away! Particularly for the Neel kind of sailing, tha should be very smooth. Do you think that owner of Mizar will in next future want to sell his tri? I would like to make an offer to him. And moreover and most important, after a week with Mizar, you would buy it for yourself if it would be possible? I mean in your opinion is Mizar a good Neel 45? for what you have test and touch during your test?
@janwantstosail 2 жыл бұрын
Hey @WINDEX, you have a FP Lipari 41? 70% of TWS is really good then! I have no idea, if the Mizar owner wants to sell, but I think ca. 50 Neel 45 were produced, so there always should be some on the market available. The Neel 45 (also Mizar) would be a great option for me, only my wife opposes there. She wants more space and nicer woodwork. My favourite still is the Neel 51, only it might blow our budget. I may take a second view on the Neel 47 next year and then make an in depth video again. Is there a way with KZbin to send direct messages? I could forward the contact to the Mizar owner then.
@Winbasis-Sail 2 жыл бұрын
@@janwantstosail Hello and thanks. it should be great if you can let me in touch with the owner of that Neel 45 Mizar... half a world is to sell and the other is to buy, may be it should be a dial for each other! from Michele - ITALY (I try to give you my contact but it seems impossible here....)
@reeu5five534 2 жыл бұрын
amazing trimaran!