That's odd. Far as I know there shouldn't be any reason playing on Console would prevent it from working. Have you tried both generator methods and/or putting Guts on a different weapon? Failing that, I'd try equipping the Ring of the Damned just to check if Grey Health is secretly capped on PS5. Let me know if any of these helped.

I only used it at a relatively weak strength for all my footage, so I manage to avoid that happening. However, due to the process required to have Guts reach it's maximum damage I wouldn't be surprised if it became one of the side effects, along with the desire to be a hero for fun.

Certainly in terms of attack, but one bad hit and you could lose all your power instantly. If only there was a second exploit that would give you his durability as well. Can't say I've found one yet, but Warden was the last class added to the game. There's may be a chance it's still hiding something...

Much appreciated! I'm not too fond of having to use cheats to demonstrate it, but I wasn't keen on spending two weeks using relics non-stop. (Fun Fact: To reach the True maximum damage for guts, it would require you to use the relic generator method non-stop over multiple years.)

It's especially funny when you consider that, technically, every part of this exploit is the result of the game 'working as intended' (Except perhaps the Black Greatsword's grey health conversion, but the true effect is so specific it's hard to believe it's a mistake) .

Making Monorail overpowered might be faster to set up, but it's difficult to beat near infinite damage.

I can't say with 100% certainty, but I would argue that it would NOT make you faster for a few reasons: 1. You can only build into infinite wormhole OR max evade speed and distance shovel step, not both at once. 2. If you were to only build into one of the two, chances are changing between each form of travel would mess up your input timing for the shovel step. Depending on the situation, this could very easily get you killed. 3. The combination leaves essentially zero room to build into combat, so trying to fight a boss with it on higher difficulties would be very slow. You could get around this by changing to another build, but changing your entire build by hand would be slow, and if you're using saved loadouts constantly you risk causing a memory leak, freezing the whole game. 4. Wormhole makes Invader a mandatory class, and while Warden is not explicitly required, I wouldn't recommend going without it. In the context of speedrunning, while I'm still not certain of whether shovel step would be legal in a glitchless speedrun, this mandatory combo does completely lock you out of using certain glitches that dramatically reduce the run time. Don't let me dissuade you from trying it out though. If you believe you can make it work, I fully encourage you to give it a go.

@@Draevin-E-Arach Thank you. This is a really excellent reply, I'm honored you took the time!

It's always fascinating to find something nobody else has discovered before. I'll be honest though, I have a list of ~6 more discoveries/topics specifically related to this game and this is probably the least interesting finding from that list by a wide margin.

@@Draevin-E-Arach looking forward to it!

Assuming you mean "did I have a prism with evade speed and distance leveled on it?", the answer is no. That is why I never said 'maxed evade speed/distance'. Reason I didn't use them was simply because I didn't have a prism with them, and I also felt it would be more appropriate to show something that everyone could use with relative ease. I'm sure that going to the maximum of both stats (65% distance, ~80% speed) would make the technique faster, though at that amount it might become too difficult to use properly.

On n added note i just tried again n yeah the axe makes it feel like im in havok form

Had a brief look and there's definitely something interesting going on here! Might be worth making a video on it. Going to go do some more research.

Glad im not the only one, but now that iv seen through it no matter how many time i rewatch it, i cant replicate the way i first saw it

Just had to double check and you are absolutely correct. I had assumed it worked like the Quilted Heart, which does properly negate the health cost, but in fact the effects are different. The Heart 'Negates stamina drain', while the other provides 'Infinite Stamina', which are not the same thing. Good job catching that. I will be more careful about avoiding such mistakes in future.

@@Draevin-E-Arach I think the intention is for them to work the same way since the ring does prevent effects that trigger on stamina usage, my guess is that in the code the cost gets replaced with hp before the ring reduces (the already 0) stamina cost to 0, while the heart effect does it beforehand. On that note I actually didn't know the heart does work, so now I wonder if there is some equip ordering that could be done similar to the red ring of death?

Buy it from the guy that sells guns in ward 13

**coughHavokFormcough**

Melee was viable in the 1st game. idk if you didn't try hard enough. It's not a big deal just wanted to say it definitely was viable

I don't really know, this is new to me, but it sounds like a timing issue.

No specific mutator is required to make it work and nothing in your item lists stands out as messing with the timings. I checked if increasing melee speed would affect the timing such as by equipping the Edgelord mutator, but it didn't seem to have an impact. Evade speed WILL affect the timings by a slight amount from those shown in how often you should be pressing them, but the actual method stays the same. I have no idea if Dark Omen instead of Ring of Omens would make a difference, I'd imagine they are the same but haven't been able to test it. I'm on PC, but platform should also not have an effect unless your framerate tends to fluctuate a lot. What I found helped me get the timing was to start by holding down the melee button for a slightly longer duration, which means you go slower but are more consistent. Once you've got a feel for that timing, try to practice going faster until you get a timing that feels consistent for you. Hope this helps.

Thank you! I will practice it! ​@@Draevin-E-Arach

This more than likely will never be nerfed.

Tragic gives zero fucks about the game anymore tbh, I don’t think they are even going to follow through on the class reworks. At least he’s buffing base stuff