You could add a mast with a hub on the top. The spa pack is an outdoor panel.

Yes in Canada you can sleeve it using liquid tight (metallic or non-metallic), PVC (using an LB). You’ll need to buy a different connector as well if using liquid tight.

@@luminelectric4853 my situation is NMD90 exits house under deck that hot tub is sitting on within 5 feet of water, would it be acceptable to put sub panel (with GFCI) adjacent to main panel, in basement, and run 15 feet to exit point and the 5 feet from exit point of house under the deck to the hot tub using NMD90 and the liquid tight sleeve under the deck.

@@luminelectric4853 could the NMD90 in liquid tight sleeve be run all the way to hot tub under the deck the hot tub is sitting on?

@@raywilliams3912you might want to ask your local inspector as this code may be interpreted different ways but you can sleeve nmd from inside to outside but not from outside to outside (hopefully that makes sense).

And always use electrican srew driver

Thanks but we are in Canada and follow all the legal requirements of the CEC. To note this hot tub is 40 amps max and is ran with a 50 amp cable and breakers so it’s still 80% rule 😊

@@luminelectric4853 great, thanks for replying. IN the US, 40 CB would indeed use #8...good video.

If the equipment has no neutral, just leave it capped at both ends. I’ve only seen one other tub like this in all the tubs I’ve done… and this was the advice from our local inspector.

@@luminelectric4853 thanks so much man

The Canadian code (CEC) says you need to bond a metal connector when installing it into a plastic box.

The Canadian code (CEC) says you need to bond a metal connector when installing it into a plastic box.

No it doesn’t matter which brand you use. We like the Siemens spa pack.

Glad it helped!

There is likely something wrong with that breaker and may need to be changed.

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Hey buddy, if they are moving the panel they would have to put a junction box where the old panel is and splice every cable to extend them all to the new panel location. If you were just adding a sub panel the price would be $1800-$2200. Cable for a house can be expensive, around $15-25 a foot depending on the size and type. I would say the price is a little high, but it can depend on your area, the availability of electricians, and other things. So there are a lot of variables that determine price but if your unsure I would advice getting a second/third opinion. sometimes trades will give higher pricing just because they do not want to do a job, so again a second estimate is a good option. Hope this helped

@@Luminelectric They are not changing anything in the sub panel itself. It's already wired and been there for years. Just moving the main panel outside. This is just to run new cable to same sub panel.

Moving cables over takes time, the best thing is still to get another estimate. If the estimate is similar to the first there’s obviously more work then you think.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a breaker not rated for AL/CU. But if it’s not you could splice it, making splices in the panel is not to code though, so you’d need special permission from your local inspector.

@@Luminelectric ok thank you!

That is possible, these spa packs are all outdoor rated, so they shouldn’t be water inside but if that’s what happened, it is likely the reason it tripped.

@@Luminelectric Thanks for input. Hot tub and breaker are new so who knows?

Federal pioneer definitely doesn’t have the best reputation when it comes to electrical fires. 1 in 4 breakers doesn’t trip when there is a short circuit or over current. I’m not sure if the newer models have better stats.

Hello guys, I think Schneider have reused the old conceptions of stablock…It would be cool to have a test video to see if they trip…Got some people like that in my College…And I may change them. Cauz I dont trust it…

Should be at your local hardware store, it’s sold by the meter

try your best to pull up from the back and it should pop free of the buss, we’ve definitely had some breakers that like to stick.

Glad we could help. This is a very common mistake

I’ve never seen switch’s/ plugs that are rated aluminum but if they were you could do that way.

​@@Luminelectric I replaced all of mine nearly 20 years ago with CO/ALR outlets and switches. They have been available in the US for at least that long from places like Lowe's and Home Depot.

Since it’s not your main panel you can splice the feed, grab a box that’ll fit the wire’s, buy more cable and splice them together where the splice/ junction box is accessible.

I think there are definit rules depending on the country but in Canada 50 amps is rated for 8/3 cable

Should come off the wall if all the wires are removed, pipes and all screws are taken off. Not sure what is holding your panel on but if it’s being replaced you can try using force to remove it

Glad you liked it

That is allowed even in todays code the reason’s we use spa packs is: -they are cheaper then the GFCI panel breakers -to give the hot tub tec’s the ability to shut the hot tub down from the outside if they’re working on it. -if there is any problems with the equipment not working the disconnect is closer to the tub.

@@Luminelectric Don't spa packs use the same GFCI breaker as a panel ? Another reason to use use an external panel is so that you don't have to run Teck cable from the inside panel to the tub. I guess you could use a junction box to connect Teck to Romex so that just the outside portion is Romex ?

There is a mistake on this video where I said a bonding bushing instead of a plastic bushing. In the CEC all connectors over 1” need a plastic bushing.

@Luminelectric thanks. Sorry to push further on this, but what would the purpose of a plastic bushing be? Wouldn't that sever the bonding between the armor and the box? Does it apply for 1" AND larger? Or just anything larger then 1"? Thanks again.

It apply’s to 1” and anything large that is a metal connector, I think the purpose it to protect the wire from the sharp connector. No bonding purpose on that code 👆. You do have to bond all sizes of metal connectors terminated to a plastic junction box and that is so the connector is bonded and cannot become live.