I have no idea how i got to find this video, but its amazing, all of you are so smart and well spoken that i am impressed that this isnt more popular. I hope you all keep the good work <3
@alyssanicole336Күн бұрын
Thank you so much! That means a lot!
@Rachel-zf2wm8 күн бұрын
This is so good and so well researched and I am shocked it does not have more views!
@alyssanicole3364 күн бұрын
Thank you so much!
@d1g1cxlt_12 күн бұрын
I think the whole movie is the book she writes. Like after she meets her husband character I think the whole movie is just her telling a story based on the mystery of new people she has met. Her book lacked romance, so she used an experience to integrate it into her ghost story. Even though the only way this movie telegraphs this is the book behind the credits, But I think the movie has enough hints that in an alternative cut it's the book she's writing.
@alyssanicole33610 күн бұрын
I think so too! The very first line of the film is like the first line of a book, and the credits end with the book closing, so I'm pretty sure that's meant to be the interpretation!
@d1g1cxlt_9 күн бұрын
@@alyssanicole336 Yeah exactly. It makes it kind of fun to try and see what the "truth" is, but maybe it's meant to be a paradox. Like a story within a story but both stories are the same. Like it's hard to know how much is her fiction. It's why I like the movie so much it feels like a mysetery each time I watch it cause I'm trying to figure out where the line blurs within it since it has it's own meta narrative.
@nymbr-1117 күн бұрын
this video is so underrated!! it's so nice to hear an honest, nuanced conversation about these touchy subjects, it's such a breath of fresh air.
@alyssanicole33614 күн бұрын
Thank you so much!
@forestnymph33318 күн бұрын
History repeats itself. You girls remind me of the women talking about literature in Paris salons in the Renaissance.
@alyssanicole33614 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@Roblox-zq1ygАй бұрын
New subscriber 🎀
@alyssanicole33621 күн бұрын
Thank You! <3
@seanmcgcostumesАй бұрын
Oh this is SUCH a fantastic breakdown of the historical inspirations for my favorite historical costume movie!
@alyssanicole33621 күн бұрын
Thank you so much!
@melowlw8638Ай бұрын
this video got recommended to me and its such good quality!! i saw someone in the comments say u speak "too fast" and maybe its my undiagnosed adhd but i think u talk at a normal pace 🤭🤭 as for gigot sleeves, since its a french word, its pronounced "gee-go" "gee" like in the beegees, with the soft "g" sound being different from the one used in english. the "g" is pronounced like when u says "zhuzh up", with the very light "d" sound heard in the english g, disappearing. so like instead of saying "djordan" u would say "zhordan". i hope it makes sense?? in any case, u can look up in google translate the word gigot and it will pronounce it correctly for u!! thank u for the work on this video, the movie is one i have yet to see but the costumes fascinate me, so ive watched a few youtube video analyses about them also i like that u used Sargent as a reference, since there was an exhibition recently at the museum of fine arts of Boston (now in London), showing how costumes were integral to his paintinc process. i couldnt go see it myself, but i have the catalogue, and seeing the comparisons of costumes we still have that he painted its so amazing to see!! i subscribed to ur channel, can't wait to watch more videos of urs, especially since they touch on some topics ive been curious about ps: im glad theres subtitles on this video, i wish it was mandatory, since it helps greatly with accessibility
@DipitySАй бұрын
Keeping it very interesting, ladies 😊
@alyssanicole33621 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@dreaming.while.asleep8581Ай бұрын
I hate how classic Disney movies are often looked down upon due to how they portray female characters, and yes they might not hold up incredibly well today but as the movies went on they are each unique and have agency in their own way. For example, Cinderella wasn’t necessarily looking for a prince, she was looking for a night out from an awful situation and she happened upon these things. Even Snow White, she wanted a Prince but that wasn’t what motivated her the entire time.
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
I agree! I love the Disney princesses even though there are things to criticize about the films, I think a lot of people are too harsh.
@bailey9191Ай бұрын
I've loved this series! Hope it continues in some way, you all are great at discussing fashion and films.
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Thank you so much that's very sweet!
@lsusanna3Ай бұрын
Hope they don’t use that brown filter the whole way through trying to convey “history “
@lsusanna3Ай бұрын
Ugh looks like they do. Will pass, that would drive me nuts.
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Fair enough, but it could also be because it's a horror movie!
@wave1313713Ай бұрын
Studio Ghibli mention!!!!
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
😮😮
@maithaali7232Ай бұрын
Really enjoyed the video 💕
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@2cool2bhot89Ай бұрын
as a fashion history nut, I really love stuff like this. one of my favorite things is seeing how the 20th century (early to late) depicts fashion trends from centuries prior. keep up the good work!! :]
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@jennab.6723Ай бұрын
Enhance the audio quality and visual presentation, and videos like this would blow up in views.
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@jennab.6723Ай бұрын
I’ll take Carrie, you can have Bella.
@Ellie-zy1zfАй бұрын
This seems like it will be an amazing disscussion- I will add to my watch later as its hard to follow such intelligent conversation without closed captions or a transcript xx
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Thank you, and I'm sorry, I'll try to add closed captions at some point!
@thedarkbabyАй бұрын
Do you think a cat woman movie would be made right? They always portray “bad girls” as street walkers
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Interesting thought! I like Zoë Kravitz although she does sort of fall into that trope. I would love to see a Catwoman movie explore different ideas.
@olivia6252Ай бұрын
I’m shocked this doesn’t have more views Loved the discussion from all of y’all!
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@deareIIaАй бұрын
IT DOESN’T HAVE A MILLION VIEWS⁉️
@kappathefish7171Ай бұрын
This video made me think of Little Women 2019, which I thought was beautifully directed and designed (greta gerwig strikes again)
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
That's true! Jacqueline Durran works with her in that too!
@MushroomelixirАй бұрын
This is my favorite video on youtube
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
aw thank you! <3
@strawberrygummiАй бұрын
I think with the female gaze discussion it feels like it’s used satirically and generally most times I doubt most people take things like girl dinner and girl math seriously. Btw I enjoyed the video it was a nice listen !
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Thank you! And I agree! It's just that sometimes jokes are a slippery slope, but I don't think most people take it too seriously.
@chelsea-vw3wiАй бұрын
what about the coloured girls? do we not experience girlhood too?
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Hello! We have a section where we talk about this, and how there aren't very many popular films about girlhood with non-white characters. I am sorry that we didn't talk about more movies with diversity, and I will definitely consider making an entire video about more diverse in the future!
@jellyjelly417711 күн бұрын
l@@alyssanicole336 a "segment" like woc aren't even deserving of their own video and their biases white people have about our stories lollll
@wave1313713Ай бұрын
i love that cameo of that one really cool girl who came in she should be on more
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
so true
@aubreyballАй бұрын
grace cameo !
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
:0
@DipitySАй бұрын
I really enjoyed your presentation - thank you all for sharing that 😊
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@obikawaАй бұрын
Woah..such a brilliant video! I've never been personally interested in costume design or classic films, but this video hugely changed my perspective on the insight it can bring to its own time period through its depiction of another era, especially through its reflection of the progression of women's roles in film through the decades. Especially loved the some of the points you three raised in the Hamlet section, I could watch a whole video on just your thoughts on those movies! Incredibly well researched and professionally edited, (loved the little intro sections) perhaps my experience was discounted due to my unfamiliarity with the films and fashion in general, but it was still a fascinating topic, and you three delivered it in a comprehensive yet insightful way. Looking forward to part four!
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Thank you so much, that's so nice!
@nataliaalicjakrzyzanowska3582Ай бұрын
I'm genuinely shocked that this doesn't have more views, this is so interesting, well researched and made very well. Great video!
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
Thank you so much!!
@wave1313713Ай бұрын
needs more thomas
@alyssanicole336Ай бұрын
true
@astreaward66512 ай бұрын
Even the "Once Upon a Time" TV series did at least two better versions of Belle's yellow dress than the 2017 film did. Their take on Cinderella's dress, though...not so much. If you haven't watched the show, I highly recommend it. It's the one series I would love to be able to completely forget about so I could experience watching it for the first time all over again.
@alyssanicole3362 ай бұрын
I love Once Upon a Time! I do like Belle's dress, it's clearly lower budget but that's kind of the charm of the whole show. But I love the costume design in the 2015 Cinderella film so much, it's kind of hard for anything to beat that.
@gimmepuffsleeves3 ай бұрын
I love sci-fi movies and costume design, so this video was up my alley! Another example that would fit here is The Fifth Element, especially Leeloo's bandage dress.
@alyssanicole3363 ай бұрын
Yes absolutely! The Fifth Element was definitely on the list of films we considered talking about but unfortunately we can only talk about so many movies haha
@TheQwerty3 ай бұрын
Great vid, looking forward for more!
@alyssanicole3363 ай бұрын
thank you so much!
@David-zw6jm3 ай бұрын
😉 'Promo sm'
@wave13137133 ай бұрын
Love the points you made about Barbarella! This video was really great to watch cant wait to watch more!
@alyssanicole3363 ай бұрын
thank you!
@aubreyball3 ай бұрын
Love the points you made about Barbarella ! (As a woman)
@alyssanicole3363 ай бұрын
ok! i like the points you made too!
@MrAlsachti3 ай бұрын
I find it very sad hearing young people saying the Barbarella iconic strip scene is "controversial", using anti-sex misandrist clichés like "the male gaze*", as if there was something wrong with the gaze of men. Celebrating the beauty of the female body is not a bad thing, it is a good thing. I would have preferred to listen to three young women complaining against the lack of celebration of the male body. *if I am to believe the subtitles, it is rather "the male gays", which is kind of hilarious.
@alyssanicole3363 ай бұрын
Hello! So we are discussing the “male gaze” as a film term, rather than just a reason why we might dislike the objectification of women in films such as Barbarella. We actually cut quite a bit from our discussion, especially concerning the character Pylar and his relationship to the rejection of the “male gaze,” but unfortunately we had to cut that so I can understand your confusion. A lot of our opinion on this aspect of the film is based on Jane Fonda’s expressed opinion of how uncomfortable and objectified she felt on set. As mentioned throughout the video, we are aware of the positive feminist perspective that Barbarella provides. Hope this helps!
@wave13137133 ай бұрын
@alyssanicole3363 ай бұрын
@user-yl4lf9mh1w3 ай бұрын
this is pretty interesting, thanks for making it
@alyssanicole3363 ай бұрын
I’m glad you enjoyed it!
@user-yl4lf9mh1w3 ай бұрын
I especially appreciate that you show all the imagery of what you are talking about. Will tune in again! @@alyssanicole336
@user-yl4lf9mh1w3 ай бұрын
@@alyssanicole336 I especially liked that you put imagery to what you were talking about. I will tune in again!
@5th_cellar3 ай бұрын
I think the fact that the costume designer went out of her way to emphasize how much input Emma had says everything. That is a woman trying to subtly tell any future employers not to blame her because the star and everyone else tied her hands.
@alyssanicole3363 ай бұрын
I'm not sure how true that is, I suspect it must have been a little frustrating for Jacqueline Durran to be told what historical details she had to disregard, but it is part of the job to listen to the actress, and I think an important part of creating costumes. She did also work with Emma later, in Little Women from 2019. Regardless, we don't actually know and all we can do is speculate.
@JayashinaParthiban4 ай бұрын
I am glad that the costume designer Mark Bridges won for Phantom Thread as Best Costume during the Oscars 2018, Beauty & The Beast too was nominated but I am glad it did not win, I prefer the yellow dress from the 2D version since it was sleeveless and lovely to me while Emma's looked boring and it looked like some cheap prom gown/dress to me. Coincidentally in the movie Phantom Thread, there are sleeveless gowns in the movie, so this is proof that you don't have to create decent and covered costumes all the time so that it'll be 'Oscar-worthy' which is close-minded. Facts are facts in the end, it was Phantom Thread that beat Beauty & The Beast during the 2018 Academy Awards. This is what I really think, and these are all just based on my personal opinions after all. No matter what, the Beauty & The Best live action never won at all during the 2018 Oscars and there must be a reason why they never won though they were nominated. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qV6XaZd9q7d9pc0si=R_xNJE1P_1_e1277 He did only won the Oscar but also the jet ski fyi, good for him!
@alyssanicole3363 ай бұрын
I think the 2017 Beauty and The Beast has some decent costumes, I know that Jacqueline Durran is a fantastic designer, and I really love some of her other work. I really need to watch Phantom Thread! The costumes look beautiful!
@moritzmartini41324 ай бұрын
Although the 1991 animated adaptations is more likely in a 1889/1890 setting (and therefore makes the 2017 live action adaptation kind off inaccurate) I still love that the 2017 adaptation was set in a rococo setting. Still hate the yellow dress. And I wish that the 1991 animated one would have alos been in a mid 18th century setting T_T
@alyssanicole3363 ай бұрын
I'm not sure the 1991 animated film has many inspirations from the late 19th century, but I do think that many Disney or other fairytale films are so loosely based in history that it doesn't particularly work to try and place them in a specific era.
@nessierey67214 ай бұрын
Oh and having your skirt pulled up like that is actually only what prostitutes did at the time… 🙈 I don’t like that
@user-ns6gt6up4e4 ай бұрын
The movie's setting is between 1897 and 1898, therefore it is still considered the Victorian Era and not the Edwardian Era... Queen Victoria passed in 1901, which signified the start of the Edwardian Era.
@alyssanicole3364 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure it takes place in 1901 which is why I said Edwardian, but I've heard some people say otherwise, so I'm wondering where you got the years?
@skyschurig94215 ай бұрын
I'm in love with Lucille's nightgown it's so long and flowy
@alyssanicole3365 ай бұрын
Me too, it's so pretty
@nessierey67216 ай бұрын
The reason for the medieval background Characters there was the recycled Animation of That Dance bc they got in a time crunch
@alyssanicole3364 ай бұрын
Cool! Thank you!
@dalvinocosta46516 ай бұрын
Suas análises são incríveis e encantadoras. O filme, apesar de alguns problemas de enredo, é esteticamente belo e seu visual é deslumbrante. A cor dos fantasmas também faz parte do hall de simbolismos da história.
@Sabbathtage6 ай бұрын
Why do people keep getting the year wrong. Doesn't the movie pan down to an adult Edith walking across a muddy road with: 1887 Buffalo, NY overhead?
@alyssanicole3364 ай бұрын
It says Buffalo 14 years later, from what I can tell the film takes place in 1901.