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@albrechthilker9072
@albrechthilker9072 8 күн бұрын
Long video with few information. The only additional feature you show is FFT. What more can I do on the computer which I cannot do on the scope? How can I copy a very large digital signal out of the scope to do further analysis in another software?
@GSMASSAM
@GSMASSAM Ай бұрын
Can you provide the link of ultrascope
@chrismulnix1749
@chrismulnix1749 4 ай бұрын
Hello First off great video. I'm a newbie to the hobby and I've just acquired a eico 369 along with a tektronix 465 with DM 43. My question is where did you find your scope cable for the 369? I'm striking out around every corner trying to find this. I've found the demos n rf with no problem. Also I'd appreciate it if you could share more info on the crystal upgrade.
@joshbowman4060
@joshbowman4060 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. The scope cable was with my 369, however the ends did not work for my scope. So I added a little board that allowed me to clip my scope leads to it. If you don't have one just use a couple of BNC connectors for the X and Y and remove the 2 pin (ground is on the outer ring connector. I feel it would work better. Otherwise put 2 finish nails in the pin holes and clip the scopes 2 probes to each and ground to the outer ring. As far as the 10.7 MHz crystal, I bought one off of EBay and hollowed out a crystal holder and soldered the modern one in. Now having said all of this, the 369 will get a badly adjusted FM radio in the ballpark but you may have to tweak it by ear to get it right. All this stuff you add onto the tuned circuits loads them and changes them some. Furthermore most radios worked on just got caps replaced and maybe a few resistors and were not bad out of tune and simply tweaking them made them sound fine. However it's kind of fun making the curves and moving the marker, it really helps understand how FM works. Good luck.
@chrismulnix1749
@chrismulnix1749 4 ай бұрын
@@joshbowman4060 Thanks for the reply back. This was very helpful.
@boydbailey6332
@boydbailey6332 5 ай бұрын
This is very nicely done. I have picked up a couple of these units to help demonstrate transistor basics in a vintage radio restoration class. In wrapping my brain around this device thus far, I know for a fact how much you have put into this. I commend you on your style and approach to doing this type of video! Thanks!
@thewheelman282
@thewheelman282 7 ай бұрын
this has to be the best FM alignment video I have seen and to a complete rookie, this is incredibly helpful. explaining the theory of operation, what you are doing, and what the scope is showing is something a lot of other videos lack. I have a question about the signal being injected. Is it possible to do an alignment like this with an RF generator (like an EICO 324) that doesn't have the sweep and marker capability? I'm thinking yes, but it would be more difficult.
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 7 ай бұрын
You certainly can do it with an RF signal generator, if it's not too far of out of alignment. most or not very far out of alignment if out at all and can be aligned effectively just by ear even. Also remember everything you connect to the circuit will load the circuit and eventually you'll have to tweak a little by ear anyway. Good luck
@starnavigator6665
@starnavigator6665 8 ай бұрын
Whoa!!! New kink unlocked!!! I need that plastic slug tool !! Anyone know where they may be available?? ❤❤
@petersdelucaaa2vg306
@petersdelucaaa2vg306 8 ай бұрын
Great instructive video. This is the first time I am aligning a Zenith. I couldn’t figure out how to get to the bottom adjustment in the cans. Now I know. I have a digital Siglent scope and signal generator. I am not sure I’ll be able to set up like you did. Question…. What are you measuring on the Y axis of your scope. Is it the DC voltage at the marker which is the DC voltage at 10.7 MHz?
@werner.x
@werner.x 9 ай бұрын
Are you still around? You made some nice and useful videos.
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 9 ай бұрын
Yes I am!
@TheGmr140
@TheGmr140 11 ай бұрын
Nice project, Nice work 😊😊
@richardmiranda5357
@richardmiranda5357 11 ай бұрын
I see you're using a Tektronix 2246 oscilloscope. Very nice device. I have the same model but mine is having some kind of "noise" in the trace produced by the readout feature especially in low rates (around 2 ms) and XY modes. When readout is turned off, noise disappear. Can you please check yours to be sure mine is defective or not? Thank you
@ericdavenport7773
@ericdavenport7773 Жыл бұрын
I know this video was made a while age, BUT it is just what I needed to know to understand how to do this. Thank you so much for makeing this. I know it must have taken a lot of time.
@JayanthKDass
@JayanthKDass Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this beautiful video. I request you to please make a video on a transistor stereo FM radio alignment using sweep generator & RF Marker & oblige. Regards!
@stargazer30721
@stargazer30721 Жыл бұрын
I am trying to tweak the FM section of a radio for the 1st time. My oscope is not making any sense. Any place I can post some screen shots with my setup to see if you could give some advice?
@dawd77
@dawd77 Жыл бұрын
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@patlyle2621
@patlyle2621 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Can you do a vid on how you added blanking and frequency out on you Eico sweep generator? Posting the schematic would help. Thanks. John Ocala Fl.
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 2 жыл бұрын
Pat, thanks for the comment. Neither of these hacks did much to improve the 369, but were fun to do. 1st the blanking is done by opening the feed to pin #3 of V3A (12AX7). I simply removed R13, R18 and C31 from pin #3 and put them on an empty solder lug nearby. I then attached the SPST switch to Pin#3 and the lug with R13, R18 and C3. The RF out is a coax from a BNC t the J3 X-TAL's leg via a 101 capacitor to pin 1 of the 29758 (PC3). Hopefully that will help.....frankly I can't remember where I got these hacks. BTW, the PC3 is most likely made of unatainable, so don't harm it. Again, I really don't thing these hacks improved much.
@patlyle2621
@patlyle2621 2 жыл бұрын
@@tinkeringwithelectronics thanks for the reply on the 369 Eico. Looking forward to more of your vids.
@richardmiranda5357
@richardmiranda5357 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I am really in shock after watching your "great invention" . I have been working with tv's and radios for a long time, and always had a problem with the set on the workbench, but after seen this video, I am surprised on how easy could be to build something to handle the set while repairing or adjusting it. Can you please share more information about this great tool? like measures and the most important, how can it hold the radio or whatever you are working on. Holes in the chassis? pressing the chassis with the red handlers? Please it could be a great help for people in the repair/restoration team, like you and me. Thanks
@joshbowman4060
@joshbowman4060 2 жыл бұрын
LOL! This couldn't be simpler! All you're seeing is 2 piece of aluminum channel. I just drilled holes in the side of the channels and treaded for a 1/4" bolt that is back treaded with a nut. Don't allow the bolts to protrude through the channel, this will interfere with the chassis being mounted. I added spaces between the nut and the from to allow for stuff like the dial to clear. This is all mounted in a wooden frame. The extra vertical holes in the wooden frame allow for bigger chassis'. As far as mounting the chassis, I utilize the same screws and holes that hold the chassis in the case. Nothing fancy here. I just used the manufacturers threaded mounting holes to hold it to the channel. You'll find that just a few holes are needed in the channel to adapt to most chassis.
@BB-wb2wg
@BB-wb2wg 2 жыл бұрын
Well done video and very informative. Also very helpful tip on getting the Heathkit generator on the correct harmonic. One question that might clear some things up for other viewers... when you move to the S curve alignment, are you still using the detector probe or is this a direct connection?
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 2 жыл бұрын
The Eico 369, connects directly to the radio. But to be clear, the sweep generators output is attached down stream of the radios dectector/discrimanator. As fun as it is using a seeep generator and making the S curve. You can do better by tuning by ear. Seems no matter how good of a curve I made, the radio never sounded good. So I'd always finish by tuning to a station and adjusting until it sounded good. Hope this helps. Josh
@montygore1200
@montygore1200 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, I think you did a good job.
@drtidrow
@drtidrow 2 жыл бұрын
11:33 Looks like there's an old paper cap at the top right of the chassis, did you end up replacing that later on?
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 2 жыл бұрын
Been a while, but it tested good.
@harveyharrison1987
@harveyharrison1987 2 жыл бұрын
This video is relatively old now, and I have not seen any of your others but... extremely well done! clear, well-paced explanations. I did have one constructive comment - the segment where you show the schematic and point to things - do a separate take with that flat on a table with a fixed camera above and point/hand wave etc. It would be much easier to follow than pointing to a moving document. I would add that i am now going to view your other stuff even if its for things I did not know i was interested in - i like your explanation style.
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jonathanlemoine
@jonathanlemoine 3 жыл бұрын
I found this after doing an alignment on the same radio. I don't have an analog scope or an old sweep generator. I have various function generators and a signal generator. I couldn't figure out how to set it up with a scope. (how to set the scope up and with a sweep and all that). I just did my with a spectrum analyzer with tracking generator and it was easy....the only problem is A14 and A15 because you can't get the s-curve. (atleast I don't think so) So I used the steps for the signal generator and vtvm. I gotta say though that the spectrum analyzer makes a much clearer representation of whats going on...atleast to my mind.
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 3 жыл бұрын
That's great. Truth be known, after I remove the equipment, I still have to touch it up br ear. Anything that connects to RF messes with the signal.
@paul-c7541
@paul-c7541 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, personally I use a wobbulator I made as a project for AM, it sweeps between 450 to 520 Khz used with a 455 Khz home made marker, works a treat, I guess it's what you get used to.
@wa4aos
@wa4aos 3 жыл бұрын
Distortion is interesting with regard to what our ears like and don't like. A tube amp with 2 to 4% even harmonic distortion is usually found to sound rich or warm to our ears and is just one reason why tube amps are still so popular. However, an amp with a half of a percent ODD Harmonic distortion sounds very harsh to most of us. So, when I play with tube designs, I don't concern myself with a percent or two of even har,pnmic distortion but I always try to keep odd harmonic distortion as low as possible. If you do audio amp projects, any decent distortion meter is very helpful. Good luck with your projects.
@matferro
@matferro 3 жыл бұрын
you are a hero
@Museudaeletronica
@Museudaeletronica 3 жыл бұрын
Hello friend! Greetings from Brazil. I have a Meguro MSW-7626A Sweep Marker that has a Marker output like your Heatkit and I would like to know what is the purpose of this particular output? And if the 10.7Mhz Mark is also generated in the RF output or only in the Marker output? Thank you very much.
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 3 жыл бұрын
In my cases, the marker is separate from the sweep. Not certain what you’re asking about the “particular output” purposes. But discussing the many markers on the Heathkit, there markers are for peaking a TV.
@Dajosco
@Dajosco 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I just install the software and made it work through ethernet. Great tool!
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@mojonewslk
@mojonewslk 3 жыл бұрын
Nice sharing
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@thevintageaudiolife
@thevintageaudiolife 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@RestoreOldRadios
@RestoreOldRadios 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative and detailed. I can see you done a lot of research and breaking this down into simple/easy to follow steps made it enjoyable to watch and learn. Thanks for sharing Josh. Best, Don
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Don.
@RestoreOldRadios
@RestoreOldRadios 3 жыл бұрын
Josh - I was wondering what you’ve been doing, now I know. A cool vintage tester and you did a great job explaining how to use it and the limitations of the unit. Hope your weather has been as nice as ours over the past few days. Take care. Best, Don
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 3 жыл бұрын
Don, just got back from 5 days camping. The weather was great!
@RestoreOldRadios
@RestoreOldRadios 3 жыл бұрын
@@tinkeringwithelectronics Glad y’all had an enjoyable time and I’m looking forward to your next update. Best, Don
@Backtothefutureradios
@Backtothefutureradios 3 жыл бұрын
Very detailed video describing the Heath transistor tester.....Thanks for sharing! Larry
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Larry
@herbsfamily2674
@herbsfamily2674 3 жыл бұрын
Nice stand for working on radios
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@ke0nc
@ke0nc 2 жыл бұрын
Love it! I need to come up with something like that.
@SoddingaboutSi
@SoddingaboutSi 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like l12 is the discriminator?
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 3 жыл бұрын
That's correct
@midmodaudio6576
@midmodaudio6576 4 жыл бұрын
Very clear and well presented instructional. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos.
@opus1952
@opus1952 4 жыл бұрын
I've only recently came across your channel and must say how clear and detailed your explanations are when demonstrating the technics of servicing these vintage pieces of equipment. It's great to be shown exactly how to set up the test equipment and how to use it. So many techs who make these similar videos sadly make the assumption that the viewer knows all this stuff and proceed to show and talk about "what they've done" rather than what they're "doing". this has been great, thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@radiotvrepair1059
@radiotvrepair1059 4 жыл бұрын
thanks sir i have a sweep signal generator how i use for alignement FI radio and tv
@PopleBackyardFarm
@PopleBackyardFarm 4 жыл бұрын
A oldie but a goodie. New friend
@RestoreOldRadios
@RestoreOldRadios 4 жыл бұрын
Josh - I got 40 minutes + of exercise on the bike and thoroughly enjoyed your step-by-step alignment process. My experience with FM alignment is limited and dated, so this adds much value. Thank you for taking time to publish your practices. All the best. Don
@jackdouglas7362
@jackdouglas7362 4 жыл бұрын
Very good video. I am slowly developing the confidence I need to try this.
@carlburgess9635
@carlburgess9635 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I have found that if you have a somewhat good signal with poor or very poor audio, I do the what you did last-- first. That is I tweak the cans by ear first and then use the equipment to set get the best O-scope readings and then again tweak by ear. Carl
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 4 жыл бұрын
Carl, just to prove your point, I did a complete alignment by ear only and it worked great.
@jdmccorful
@jdmccorful 4 жыл бұрын
So I am guessing that you do the tweaking with the volume up on a good local station?
@ke0nc
@ke0nc 2 жыл бұрын
Yes Carl! Thank you for saying something. By ear first, and then fine tune the waveform with the oscilloscope. That is so much quicker.
@ke0nc
@ke0nc 2 жыл бұрын
@@jdmccorful Use a signal generator so that you can control the strength.
@GeorgeChristofi
@GeorgeChristofi 4 жыл бұрын
a very clear description of using a sweep generator.
@Backtothefutureradios
@Backtothefutureradios 4 жыл бұрын
Good step by step guide! Actually seeing the oscope and having the patterns explained really help me to understand the process. Great explanation of what you were going to do and what the objective was....explaining the basic concept of an fm signal and how it is received was really good! Thanks for sharing this....Im sure you are going to get a lot of views!!! Larry
@manfredmurer9508
@manfredmurer9508 5 жыл бұрын
Does the 6600 have an TTL-Connector on the back? Then you should pick your ext. trig signal from there and trigger on falling edge. This has the advantage that the trig signal on the TTL has a square wave with 50% duty cycle. This makes the center line coinciding exactly with the center of the ramp slope. Also make sure that the ramp frequency does not exceed 7-10 Hz. At least my 6800's VCO tendsl to lose linearity above 15 Hz. I hope this might helps. At least here I can display a bode plot of an 16 MHz crystal with the peak spot on within a half a dozen of Hz or so.
@manfredmurer9508
@manfredmurer9508 5 жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention: Make sure to make the ramp signal going EXACTLY from 0 to 5 V by setting it to amplitude 5 V with a DC offset of 2.5 V. The manual (at least for the 6800) is rather ambiguous in this regard...
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'll try that.
@RestoreOldRadios
@RestoreOldRadios 5 жыл бұрын
Josh, this was my first seeing a distortion meter in action and I find your video informative and interesting. Thanks for taking time to pull this together. Best, Don
@Backtothefutureradios
@Backtothefutureradios 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Josh! Great demonstration of using the meter. Im like you as far as what it was showing me, but its always fun to see the equipment that was used back before modern ewuipment! Enjoyed the trip to Dalton, I think you should make a video of how clean the insides of the heathkit was compared to the smokey amp!! Take Care--Larry
@YouAllKnowBob
@YouAllKnowBob 5 жыл бұрын
Heathkit anything is fantastic. I used to buy the kits new back in the 70s and 80s. Now I look for cheap old ones to restore. They work fine and you can fix them yourself if it does break. Not like the new stuff that you chuck if it breaks. Nice demo! 👍👍
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robert. Frankly, for my purposes, I can't see anything wrong with Heathkit stuff. And as you said, you have some of the best documentation for repairing it.
@VintageElectronicsGeek
@VintageElectronicsGeek 5 жыл бұрын
I've been looking at DM's, great demo. Just an FYI, not all CRT DSO's and DSO's offer FFT, it's an extra addition, extra cost... ~Jack, VEG
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jack. My knowledge on DSO's is limited to my Hantek. That's good information.
@FluxCondenser
@FluxCondenser 5 жыл бұрын
Really interesting and timely for me as I’m currently building an Eico 378 audio signal generator from an unbuilt kit I purchased on eBay. I wasn’t familiar with your model of Heathkit generator until I saw this video, but it has the same interface as the Eico I’m building. I’m guessing the circuits are almost exactly the same. Like you, I didn’t really need an audio signal generator, but was more interested in building a 52 year old kit from an unopened box. It’s been a real treat so far and I hope to have it complete tomorrow or the next day. I imagine I’ll be experimenting with mine much as you are with an oscilloscope and some old amps. Take care, and great work on the video.
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 5 жыл бұрын
I hope to see a video on your Eico. Even though already assembled, the Distortion meter was like new out of the box! Not a scratch or even any dust on the cabinet. Big contrast to the smoke stained amp!
@VintageElectronicsGeek
@VintageElectronicsGeek 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, always wondered about using the sweep feature on a function generator...never had time to experiment. Great stuff! ~Jack, VEG
@manfredmurer9508
@manfredmurer9508 5 жыл бұрын
The sweep function is useless for that purpose as it does not give you any trigger output in order to sync your timebase. That's why also TwE uses the VCO to control the sweeping frequency via the ramp signal on Ch. 2. (more about that see my earlier post here...).
@VintageElectronicsGeek
@VintageElectronicsGeek 5 жыл бұрын
Best tutorial on YT! Yes, I agree, lotsa work! I like the Wavetek, will add to watchlist. Came from Dons channel, sub'd, #20th! :) You kinda sound like Don, related? ~Jack, VEG
@tinkeringwithelectronics
@tinkeringwithelectronics 5 жыл бұрын
Nope not related. I wouldn't even recognize him in a crowd if he had his gloves on ;) We do both have southern country boy accents.