Good review. I am seriously considering the Sitka Kelvin Lite Down Jacket. I am a hiker and not a bow hunter, so sound isn't a concern. Thanks for the review!!
@ishootamathews10 ай бұрын
If you want something for archery season thats warm and quiet, I have both the Kuiu Kenai which I absolutely love and the Uncomphadre jacket from First Lite. But for those colder hunts I would still want that Super Down Pro as it is lighter than the Chamberlain. Also interested in seeing the new Super Down Pro LT.
@williamwilson4642 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest review.
@jhford1234 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video! Hope you post more content
@armedmindset6778 Жыл бұрын
Good video, you are good on camera. Good lighting, good sound, good content.
@sonsofliberty3081 Жыл бұрын
Something to add. The kuiu pro is light years better than the Kelvin. No down is ment for rain or snow, you should use a shell. Kuiu has a proximity line now that is warm amd ment for quiet. But again, even though it's synthetic, you have to have a shell in bad weather. Don't get me wrong, Sitka is good stuff, but kuiu definitely has the edge. I really put gear through the ringer because I use it all the time, not just for hunting. I hate 2 long sleeve layers. So I use a ss base, then a long sleeve mid of multiple weights, pending on Temps. Anywhere from 97, 200, and 280. The 280 I use almost every day from fall through spring. It has a hood but the sides and pits are thinner and the 280wt is front and back. I then put an extremely lightweight synthetic (keni) no hood. This is not warm at all if you have wind. This is a breathing insulation so you do not sweat it up hiking. I use a kutana storm shell as my outer. (Rain coat but way more breathable and durable) to stop wind. Then the insulation does warm you. Both have pit zips. Standing around with with the keni and shell only, you're good to 30. Add the 280 and you can get to low 20s. If it's down to mid teens, I can add a super down ultra vest (4.8oz) under the keni. As light as that vest is, I never thought it would be that warm. It's not warm if you just use it, but by adding it under that keni. It's crazy. If it gets below and I'm going to sit, I'll opt for the 280, super down pro, and the kutana shell. The shell quiets the down. Then colder add the ultra vest. You can be well below 0 at that rate. You'd be definitely intrigued by the kuiu proximity. Synthetic insulation, about double the keni. You could put the keni under it also. It's dead quiet. They have a foam spray they used to block the wind. They also have polartec wind pro coat, hat and gator. I use the hat and gator, you can't hike in it up hills because you'll get too hot.
@sbradblist Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@stephenferguson6363 Жыл бұрын
I'm kinda tossed up between these or iron will there both damn near the same
@tz4442 жыл бұрын
Nice review. Unfortunately I am not sure there is a puffy that is wearable as an outer garment during archery season. Mine is always underneath my Sitka Jetstream Jacket. About the beach for decent warmth as well as quietness in a RAB for a non hunting company.
@FishinOnaMission2 жыл бұрын
there is the face to the voice.
@miqaeliqavtaradze34292 жыл бұрын
I am 177 cm Weight 78 kg Recommend size Sitka down jacket
@miqaeliqavtaradze34292 жыл бұрын
What size is the sitka gear jacket used in the video?
@xmrbones95772 жыл бұрын
Really like how you touched on the “new” coated down because the more I’m looking the more I agree with you that the whole thing starts to feel a little sketchy. For the high end $$ stuff I think longevity of the piece should be a top priority and have no failures for years. Sub’d!
@sonsofliberty3081 Жыл бұрын
You won't have an issue with the kuiu down. You have to wash it in the dwr treatment and not reg detergent. Down is NOT an outer layer ment to used in rain and snow. It's for cold. The treatment is incase you get stuck. None of these are water proof.
@mattgarner12342 жыл бұрын
Hey Baxter, which jacket is warmer? From the specs and website it seems like the Down Pro is supposed to be exponentially warmer?
@HidinRebel2 жыл бұрын
My kelvin areo-lite down took some real abuse this winter i was super surprised. i took mine to the sledding hill not thinking I was gonna sled but i ended up sliding and was dragged on the ground , not a mark on the jacket.
@TheIrfanxz442 жыл бұрын
Jacket is not quite If you hunt with bow you will get busted when you draw bow or stand up Doesn’t matter how slow you move
@rudyelizondo19352 жыл бұрын
I just ordered this jacket so I’ll see how good it is😄
@createthiscom2 жыл бұрын
I came here because I saddle hunt in late season 20F mountain weather in TN. I have a set of first lite sanctuary 2.0 bib and jacket, and it's definitely warm enough in the saddle on those cold mornings with just a heavy weight merino base layer. It's quiet enough too. However, the sanctuary set is exhausting to hike in. It's just so heavy and bulky. I'll often take the jacket off and put it in my pack, but then it fills my entire pack. I'm spoiled by arc'teryx light weight layering when backpacking. It's a shame no one has figured out how to make these down layers quiet.
@sondremoen6282 жыл бұрын
I am 182cm about 6 feet, would you recon the medium size would fit me if I wanted it not to be to bulky and to be worn under a stormfront. I am a Large size in most Sitka gear. Great video!
@jakedeeble89992 жыл бұрын
Great video! I’d love it if you would show us what you wear for your elk hunts and talk about the pros and cons of your kit! Thanks!
@Terpedup9252 жыл бұрын
Do you leave the rest of the body there?
@justinlough90573 жыл бұрын
Sitka and kuiu were created by the same guy. Goretex bought sitka from him and he went on to make kuiu.
@wolverinekut3 жыл бұрын
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@35658913 жыл бұрын
SKRE has both of these beat. But all these puffy jackets are designed to be worn under another jacket that provides protection for down jacket while stopping the noise.
@trips27943 жыл бұрын
Great review and it definitely worked for your elk! I’m prepping for my first elk hunt next year and have narrowed my BH selection down to the DS Evo, the Annihilator XL, and the VPA (all 125gr). My question is on strength and penetration if you come into contact with bone. Understanding there are tons of variables here but what is your opinion on the Evo design vs the other two when it comes to hitting and punching through bone?
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment! I've heard good things about all those heads and haven't done extensive strength/penetration testing so this is just an opinion: If you hit a big bone (femur, shoulder blade, etc) it won't really matter how strong your head is since it's not going through anyway. In my experience the D6 (shot another elk this year with it!) is strong enough to punch through light bones like ribs etc. The 2+2 design definitely will penetrate better than 3 blade designs and a 2 blade 1 1/16 design is plenty to kill an elk if you put it in the right place. I'm a bit wary of the marketing on the annihilator since that "expansion" design would certainly hurt penetration (small diameter arrows already punch a "hole for the arrow" since the insert is bigger than the shaft). Anyway, hope that helps and you'll be just fine with any of those options... broadhead tech has really come a long way.
@trips27943 жыл бұрын
@@baxterbowman5590 definitely appreciate your time and comments. I have to agree with your position on the Annihilator as I’ve worked to narrow this down further. I’m absolutely going with a two blade with bleeder style broadhead. Thanks again and that’s awesome that you tagged another elk!
@michiganwoodsman21993 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Will work on doing more in the future
@michiganwoodsman21993 жыл бұрын
@@baxterbowman5590 are you going to use those again this fall???
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
@@michiganwoodsman2199 Probably! Also, I killed another bull with it last fall, giant 5x5. They clearly work. Only reason I wouldn't would be to test new stuff, that's why I do this website/channel
@michiganwoodsman21993 жыл бұрын
@@baxterbowman5590 Last thing here from me. I'm sure you know this but I can only find 3 videos from you on your channel in the last year. If you want that 1,000 subscribers which isn't alot nowadays you need to post that other bull you shot and do at least 2 videos per month. Just something to think about. Lusk archery dude is doing killer broadhead reviews. Check him out also. Good luck
@kevinp25613 жыл бұрын
I don't think that they every really intended it to be used as a outer walk around hunting layer. It's more of a glassing, back at camp layer. For tree stand hunters the stratus line is awesome. Super warm and nothing out there that quiet. I use a core light base, Kelvin vest, and Apex or heavyweight and if needed a traverse hoody for outer layer then rain gear.
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Agree, I don't think they designed it for archery but if you watch all their videos their rifle hunters use it as an outer layer on active late season hunts. For that application it's an awesome purchase, just don't think it's great for archery elk since quiet is important... I've been pretty pleased with the First Lite Uncompahgre 2.0 but that's another video. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@carlmelillo82933 жыл бұрын
Nice valuable review. I have the Kuiu Ultra down hoodie and it is much too loud for hunting smart deer. Kuiu could use a confusion mitigation lesson on naming their gear too. Both companies seem to exist in a parallel universe with their sizing.
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Spot on about the sizing and naming of KUIU stuff. A warm/windproof, light, and insulates-when-wet layer... but that is a pretty small niche. Been enjoying the First Lite Uncompahgre 2.0 although it isn't as warm as these options.
@PKImagery3 жыл бұрын
If you wear ANYTHING Not 10xl over it it will compress ANY puffy jacket, less loft is left insulating...........you guys are not making THAT much noise.......Jesus Christ
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Agree that nothing is totally quiet but these things are LOUD. If my wife can hear it easily when I'm walking at 30 yards, you can bet an elk or deer will.
@MrChulaFreak3 жыл бұрын
Just wear a JetStream over it! Problem solved!
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Hahaha good point, although it's pretty heavy/bulky! I've started taking an arcertyx cerium vest to put under my First Lite uncompaghre 2.0 and that's a great strategy for lightweight and warm.
@carlosmohedano3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Did you get the chance to try out the First Lite Uncompahgre 2.0 ? The noise is also an important factor for me. Thanks!
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Ran it all all last season and it's much quieter! Not quiet as warm as these but I bring a down vest to put under it if it's truly cold.
@brianseals95113 жыл бұрын
Great video, Thanks!
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
You bet! Appreciate the comment
@drested17933 жыл бұрын
Got here from the Sitka / Kuiu jacket comparison. I’m a little sad as I have the kelvin active hoody on the way right now. I’ll subscribe to see what’s coming. I’ll say this, I didnt stop shooting for these BS shutdown. My Governor can kiss my behind.
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment! Still a great piece if it matches your style of hunting
@steveroberts6193 жыл бұрын
I don't know dude that Sitka jacket looked pretty damn tight and too small.
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
It's definitely very tailored (like all sitka gear) but I actually love how well it fits. Easy to size up if you don't!
@HankShivers3 жыл бұрын
Could you wear the jacket as a mid layer without it being too bulky? To cut down on the noise.
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
For sure, although I'd definitely size up your out layer to not compress it and kill the warmth. Alternatively I've been using a down vest under a First Lite Uncompahgre 2.0 and that's been awesome
@Mudinyeri2 жыл бұрын
That's how these are intended to be worn.
@HuntFishColo3 жыл бұрын
I never would have considered the noise element; great review!
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah, such a great layer, and would work perfect for rifle hunting, just not a great option for close range archery
@fnhoutdoors82622 жыл бұрын
If you throw on a soft shell over either of these it greatly reduces the noise. I have the super down pro and wear my guide jacket over and it is significantly quieter and extremely warm
@brandonjernigan19683 жыл бұрын
Have you tested the evo x? Was curious how they fly
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
I haven't unfortunately! I've had such great results with 1 1/16 inch heads (including another elk down last year with the D6) that I'd much rather stick with penetration/accuracy than get an extra 1/8 inch of cutting surface. Not saying they aren't a great choice though
@brandonjernigan19683 жыл бұрын
@@baxterbowman5590 Thank you sir!! And congrats on your bull!
@davidsjelin17393 жыл бұрын
how was the penetration and blood trail on the elk you shot?
@natespnwadventures3 жыл бұрын
He didn't reference the blood trail but said that the arrow passed through the elk and hit a rock and was still in great shape.
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Well fortunately I shot another elk with it this year and same result: zipped through without even stopping and buried in a tree on the other side. I don't think I've ever seen another head penetrate as well. Blood trails seem to be more related to shot placement IMO but I can definitively say a 1 1/16 inch head like this (or slick trick viper trick, which I killed two elk with) does all that is needed so I don't want to upsize and lose penetration/accuracy
@Lazzoboy3 жыл бұрын
First jacket, whats the name of the camo pattern? Stunning!!
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Sitka Optifade Subalpine. They claim it's best for close range vs Open country but I've had great results with that too (and heck KUIU Verde + First Lite Fusion) as well. They also say green in subalpine is supposed to match green environments, which is funny b/c ungulates see green/red as a gray spectrum... good marketing
@cagle823 жыл бұрын
What about the Stone Glacier Grumman? It’s about the same specs.
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Hey Tony, I took a look at the SG but passed since it doesn't come in camo... yep, I know it's all about motion etc, but I want every advantage possible and I've have phenomenal results with Sitka patterns. If I went non-camo I'd probably open it up to Arcteryx (one of my favorite midlayers for cold hunting is the Cerium LT vest), mountain hardware, etc etc too.
@groundcontrol5365 Жыл бұрын
Took a look at Stone Glacier and it was slightly thicker/ bulkier but therefore warmer. I prefer non camo stuff so i can use it around town too
@colbyr.2103 жыл бұрын
While shooting these, have you ever had them randomly flair? I just have heard that sometimes with the single blades they will randomly flair if your bow it’s 100% tuned right.
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Good question: I’ve seen fixed broadheads (even some mechanical) of all constructions veer off course with poorly tuned bows, and I don’t really think any design can avoid that. That said surface area of the blades = drag, and the more drag the worse they fly. Between the single blade and small diameter, these things have very little drag, so they’re about as forgiving/accurate as I’ve ever tested. However, you still have to tune your bow. I’ve got a step by step process up on the website if that helps!
@colbyr.2103 жыл бұрын
While shooting these, have you ever had them randomly flair?
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Hmmm I haven't seen that, but that's likely a sign of a bow tune issue (broadhead rotation happens to match the direction your arrow head is "off" coming out the bow) with this or any other head with solid tolerances. I have a "how to" article on tuning in the elk course at baxterbowman.com if that helps!
@SonoranDesertPrepper3 жыл бұрын
Thanks subbed
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it!
@KillenNReelinoutdoors3 жыл бұрын
I have the iron wills have you considered magnus yet? Btw liked and subbed
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Iron will is an awesome head. I tried a magnus, great head but a bit longer and more surface area, so not quite the accuracy or penetration of these. Much cheaper though
@joshuareed39993 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your insight on these options! I am trying to put together a system that works for multiple scenarios and might even allow me to integrate a down layer for off-season use. I plan to add the down as an intermediate layer so camo is not as important on that. My hunting consists of long sits in cold weather so I need options! Thanks again! Good luck this year!
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
That’s a great system, I throw a black Arcteryx down vest as a middle layer when it’s truly cold, like you said the color doesn’t matter (and I can use it at work/in town). Best of luck!
@ramos2083 жыл бұрын
550 that’s heavy, am looking to add some weight to my arrows. What’s you arrow speed with that 550?
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
About 260ish, plenty to shoot out to 100+yds (for target) if you have a higher peep height. 29 1/8” draw, 345IBO, 67lbs
@ramos2083 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@ramos2083 жыл бұрын
Am getting some of these for sure.
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
You won't regret it! Shot a very big 5x5 this year (photos on instagram) and they zipped right through + he went 40 yards. Can't ask for more
@shanegroom58793 жыл бұрын
Great review. It was the deciding factor and just ordered some for my elk trip this year.
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Nice, you’ll love them!
@byork223913 жыл бұрын
Just snagged my 150 grains from Day Six. I have some high hopes for this. Also just an FYI, if you go to staysharpguide.com they will recommend anything with a curve you get the C-shape sharpener tool. Highly recommend check that out.
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Shooting mine again this year! And thanks, that’s a great tip, I’ve been free handing them with decent success but a guide would be nice
@byork223913 жыл бұрын
Baxter Bowman yeah this kit comes with buffing compound and a rod too. But it allows you to set the edge you want and sharpen curves. Good luck this year!
@baxterbowman55903 жыл бұрын
Just checked it out, looks like a better, smaller lansky system, good stuff. Good luck to you too!