You definitely can be in a hurry driving with that feature. Yey.. for the pedestrians!!!

So I have leased an ICE and EV cars. The ICE car refuel optimisation is, were is the cheapest fuel and if its inconvenient you put a quick gallon of expensive fuel. For EV you have charge at home, pay for charger hookup and then try and use as much as possible. Else prepare for a lottery of apps, broken fast charges and range anxiety. If I owned the EV then I have to learn about preconditioning and charge curves and fast charger power and maintenance. Then I will have to worry about battery warranties and resale values.

Another Tesla shill job! Stop getting your nose brown kissing Elon's ass!

EV driving finds you somewhere beween hobbyist apps and single-source evil billionares. i'm really grateful for the fools who are suffering this first decade or two as without this horrid stage there is no path to what must be the ultimate form of ev driving: ubiquitous charging from multiple competitive vendors including, almost certainly, motorway en-route charging.

Trivia: The battery in the car can either be lead acid or AGM, or lithium ion. The best way to find out is by pulling off the panel that covers the battery and see if there's posts or if there's some kind of metallic "lid." The posts mean lead acid or AGM, and the metallic "lid" means lithium ion. Fun fact: If it's no longer under warranty, you can do the battery replacement yourself for less and sooner. It took me less than 15 minutes and all I need was a 10mm socket with a 3/8" ratchet, as well as rubber gloves.

i dont get it. i'm on my fourth ev and still own a gas (guzzling) vehicle. each has its own use case. when i want to move LOTS of stuff, tow my boat, go long distance, or drive through bad neighborhoods i use my up-armored f150. for daily bopping about the tesla hits the road. at the end of a ev driving day, we just plug it in at home and the next day she's good to go... and i charge at only 12 amps. this has worked since ev#1 (a 75 mile range smart car, loved that thing) all the way to our current long distance model y. if we somehow drained the battery all the way through nearly 300 miles of range we just spend a day in our comfy trucky and the next day its back to 100% on the tesla... and yes we always charge every ev we've ever owned to 100% with no degradation in battery capacity. just dont charge over 12 amps and the battery doesnt heat up.

Quick question - My Model S original range is 335 miles at 100%, so daily proper charging at 80% was 268. Fast forward to the point where enough degradation has taken place where max charge becomes 268. My question is, is it still safe to charge to 268 without accelerating degradation? Have there been any studies that answer this?

Is preconditioning manual? Or automatic when I start driving? Meaning do I have to click something to start the preconditioning? Every time???

Hey Dave, let's get Mexican food again soon!

Another EV scam.

I really wonder why we don’t seem to culturally value honor or morality in the US, seems like our culture has started to teach us to only value money and we’re seeing the effects of that more and more

cant rent it if its charging so it goes down for a day and you know these cars are rented every single day of the month so whats a day worth

There are usually crazy fees involved if you return a rental short fuel. On am EV it takes time away from its usability unlike petrol.

Just another one of those things if we do nothing about it will exclusively get worse. Even lawsuits are just cost of business

Musk walked in one day and fired the entire 500 person recharging team. there's no way I would ever pay money to someone who is so into themselves and screw everyone else. NEVER, even though I will never buy an EV either!

tires, disk brakes, suspension, control arms, etc. they should talk about all those items related to the super heavy weights of the electrical vehicles.

Daves - your video is excellent man. Thanks for the incredible analysis. Cool voice of reason - less emotion, more facts. I am a die hard Tesla fan (the Elon-fanboy bore at any party) but you just convinced me I think to buying a Lexus/Toyota. Cost of ownership is not really a main consideration for me. But your voice of reason reminded me to be grounded in data. And I always thought Teslas would be cheaper option from a total cost of ownership perspective. I stand corrected. I subscribed your channel. Looking forward to more free content from you LOL.

One cost every list misses, including yours, is TIME. What is your time worth? Charging overnight is "free" as far as time goes. But anytime you're waiting around charging, you're costing yourself time, the one resource that has an absolute limit and cannot be increased. Apply a generous rate accordingly.

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I finished the free month of FSD. I enjoy driving cars and motorcycles, so babysitting a computer just isn't my idea of fun. I want to either drive or have the vehicle be completely autonomous so I can sleep or read a book. The current performance of FSD makes me optimistic about the future of autonomous vehicles.

When it started to slow in the construction zone, all that you needed to do was to hit the accelerator....

totally wrong it is fine in heavy traffic on the freeway and does change lane when its safe

I would have told them to rent a different vehicle. EVs are a scam.

Fantastical that you feel the need to compare something designed in the 70's to something newer...I guess window licking at spacetwitter is a full time job...

Very well made spreadsheet!

how interesting!

Dave thanks for the spreadsheet break down I'll have to add it to my EV information sheet however your 28.57 watt hr/mi is one decimal off more like 285.7 watt hr/mile. I drive a 2019 model 3 and average 250 watt hr/mile for the last 5,000 miles according to the energy display.

One aspect that is missing, and that is VERY difficult to assess is.... Insurance. In 2023, new insurance premium contracts on electric cars were raised by 72% in the UK. It's happening everywhere ! Why? Because tiny impacts lead to companies like Tesla to say that the vehicle is not repairable. Why? They don't want the cars to burn, bad publicity. So the write off vehicles, or force the replacement of battery packs for no reason. Battery packs are not yet repaired. Tiny accidents have a massive cost on electric cars, that's not the case on gas cars where everything but the structure is economically reparable. The problem of this being an unknown means that today, it's impossible to assess the cost of an electric car over the near future. And from one brand to the other, things might evolve in different directions. So as of today, impossible to assess it !

Electric cars also cost more, They have a much higher insurance rate. And they weigh quite a bit more putting more wear and tear on the road and on the tires.

Does your $0.15 cents per kWh include distribution and transmission costs or is it just generation cost?

Consumers Digest already did a comparison & found BEVs operate cheaper than petro vehicles not even considering the oil changes & emissions testing & transmission service & repairs, ect. !

You forgot the time spent driving to the gas station driving back home and time is the one thing you can never get back

Electric, if your lucky it will only cost you 100% more unlucky 2,3,4,5 hundred percent more, they can charge you whatever they want and they know it, no laws on how much they can charge, massive scam. And you full up 100% on electricity and still you only get half the range or mostly less of gas car :(

Nice spreadsheet! Your spreadsheet is basically a rough estimate of cost of energy comparison not a cost of ownership. Cost of ownership would have to include maintenance costs and tradein values for example. Also..The tax on a gallon of gasoline and diesel is what is used to maintain roads. Currently, electric vehicles dont pay for road maintenance through tax, but sometime in the near future, states will be adding an "ev" tax to make up for it like Florida is considering now.

They also eat tires a lot more!

Very well done spreadsheet. And as an owner of two EVs, I can say your conclusion was spot on. If owners have do not have the ability to install a charger at home, then it is almost always going to be more expensive to charge an EV on public charging than it is to buy gas in an equivalent ICEv.

33.7 kWh is the standard potential energy per gallon of gasoline. So the calculation is assuming 1 gallon of gas is equivalent to 33.7 kWh.

That is so cool! Very interesting to think about how much history is behind that one door!

I do thing this is very interesting! Crazy to think so much of history is behind that one door!

and the point is ????

Nice Video! If you ever would like to use another one of my videos, please let me know and I can provide you source content! I’d love to share! I can also create custom simulations for you if you’d like.

Very cool story!

Dynamic pricing usually works like this: Do the math on when your business is the most busy and jack up prices by 30% during those hours and then lower the prices by 10% during an equal number of slow hours. Two things are important here from the business side. Always make sure the price adjustments is a net price increase and this works the best if your customers are forced to buy during peak hours regardless of pricing because of some limiting factor like a fixed lunch hour. You look like you are doing a good thing, while profiting more. It is however a dumb idea, because even if consumers on average are quite dense they get mad when they read articles about being scammed written by those who can do the math. The backlash can cost alot more than the short term benefits.

Couldn’t surge pricing on the highways help reduce overall traffic on the highway as people found d alternative routes and changed their departure times? Wouldn’t that help reduce waste from congestion and time stuck in traffic?

Over in the UK, the Tesla SuC network is getting really good (and throughout Europe) all since V3 have been installed with the CCS2 standard that all cars (except Nissan) use. Not all are yet open to all cars, but those that are, are 35-50p/kWh and the non-tesla chargers (sometimes directly opposite) are 75-85p/kWh, and incredibly they still get used (mostly I'd think due to lack of knowledge).

You didn't dwell enough on the genesis of the supercharger (SuC) network and how it was initially funded. You mentioned the Roadster and this was the car that proved electric vehicles could be superfast and sexy. They were unaffordable except for the likes of Matt Damon, but the income from the Roadster fed into the development of the Model S which, while expensive, was affordable to many people and it sold well. The income from the Model S was used to fund the rollout of the SuC and, in parallel, the development of the Model 3, Tesla's first truly affordable car. But the SuC network at the beginning not only cost a ton of money, but it didn't generate a cent in revenue since earty Model S buyers were granted free supercharging so long as they kept that car. That changed in 2017 when charging was introduced for all except those early adopters. And it changed again in 2021 when the SuC started to open up to non-Tesla cars, who paid a premium over the charges levied to Tesla owners.

That means charging takes 2 hours + As the Time it takes to Preheat should be included as part of the charging process

Dave - due to the saturation of channels that cover these topics ad nausem may I suggest that your future videos contain more of the information presented at the last 25% or in other words: more of the internal NASA stories that only a former NASA employee could know and just a little less on big picture background. We all know Scott Manley - but your channel has something he does not and that is actual internal NASA experience. Great video, and your channel deserves more views than it is getting.

I think hydeogen has some big possibilities and promise in the cargo and transport sector. Boats or liners. Air ships. Totally retro-fitted tankers and trucks. Maybe even someway to utilize it on our railway systems. For now, crude oil is our best way to travel. Electric is great, but we still.need a lot of work on the tech itself and the sourcing for raw materials and waste. I think some combination will be the most likely outcome for a long while until we crack a better and more conversion efficient energy source. I also believe we're going to discover a lot more about the Earths natural heating and cooling cycles, and how much we are actually affecting it via co2 or livestock emissions. I think we're going to find the hard evidence that the climate is changing and theres nothing we did to intensify it. And that warming may be closer to what we actually need on Earth, at least for the next 20,000 years or so until we exit the current ice age lull we're in. This is all my opinion ive formed from all the evidence ive seen from many sources that i could (with reason) trust. One things for sure though...we are currently in a Golden Era of perfect climate surface temps, and that changes whether we are here or not. We need to nake sure we slow down...breathe...take time to really think on the implementation of these new technologies until we are all more or less fully informed with the truth about whats happening. If its what we dont want to hear, and our belief was wrong and others were right....we have to gain the courage to admit the truth and agree to implement what we've agreed is best and not what some corporatist wants us to buy. Basically we need lots and lots and LOTS of conversation that doesnt end with angry children. Its time to be adults, and this announcement from Honda is putting the pressure on even more. Im always happy to wander upon videos like this one talking about this stuff.

I'm a bit concerned about driving around a hydrogen bomb. That part kinda scares me.