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@Gouw
@Gouw 7 күн бұрын
Hi there, Why are you all guys only explaining how the system works. That’s the most simply part of installing a start / stop system. Why not making a video from A to Z. Example: type of generator, how to install the wiring, what do you need to let it all work (victron cerbo? , relaybox) and step by step explain it all. I think than you will have a briljant video. Chears and have a good one 👍🏻
@ianmondon9441
@ianmondon9441 10 күн бұрын
Just found your video on Local Volts. What happens with Local Volts when you sign up say a Dry Cleaner but you aren't producing a lot of solar say in winter and overcast?
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 10 күн бұрын
If your selling to them peer to peer and you can't supply them they will buy on the market. We have a service where we have excess solar and hydro we can supply when you can't.
@pppidsn647
@pppidsn647 12 күн бұрын
what pv inverter can be configured working together with multiplus2? Is there a list? Thank you
@SylwerDragon
@SylwerDragon 14 күн бұрын
Those EV Charging stations product cost too much and you can get cheaper alternative outside of that. All are ok products.
@GabrieleBonetti
@GabrieleBonetti 14 күн бұрын
Is it also possible to limit max SOC to 80% especially in summer to limit degradation? and then schedule a full charge once in a while? I know it's possible with home assistant but could not find a way to do it all in ESS
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 14 күн бұрын
Do you charge form an Mppt or the Multi? Or both?
@GabrieleBonetti
@GabrieleBonetti 14 күн бұрын
@@TheOffGridShop Only from a multiplus II GX, it's a retrofit on a Enphase solar sistem so I only have AC input
@Netz0
@Netz0 17 күн бұрын
Don't ever connect IoT devices online. And certainly not something as critical as power control devices. Keep them isolated on their own separated VLAN, just like you would with your Smart TV and basically anything IoT related. Not everything needs to be online, and this is certainly a big example of stuff that should never be connected to the Internet.
@theroyalcapra
@theroyalcapra 18 күн бұрын
This lady is so awesome! God bless her
@marek_pl
@marek_pl 23 күн бұрын
ES -II can have MP-II connected to it in parallel (up to 5 units) to increase the power for that phase.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 23 күн бұрын
Is this a question or a statement?
@marek_pl
@marek_pl 23 күн бұрын
@@TheOffGridShop In your video you say that it is not possible to connect ES-II i parallel. Es-II can be connected in parallel with MP-II. Unless your English is to fast for me. :)
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 23 күн бұрын
@marek_pl Ah ok. Yes that was an issue when they 1st came out. This is an odk video there still is extra hardware required to do the bigger ones. This is how they solved whatever issue there used to be. When they were 1st released we couldn't parallel them. (8-15s)
@99GrantsYT
@99GrantsYT 26 күн бұрын
Thanks Mike, As you know we're onto our second off grid home and our second system with you. It was helpful to learn the PV inverter for the house will be faster in reaction time when loaded. And congratulations on 940,000 unique views and 1,000,000 views milestone. Cheers Grant and Audrey
@brentfrank7012
@brentfrank7012 29 күн бұрын
This video was made before the new hybrid inverters.
@eq5771
@eq5771 29 күн бұрын
una consulta, cómo funciona el modo manual del rele del color control, o como podría hacer pruebas del funcionamiento de ese rele
@cloud9inemedia
@cloud9inemedia Ай бұрын
Hi there hi there, how do you wire this color control into a 24v system ?
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 29 күн бұрын
I llike to wire it on the battery side of your main circuit breaker and then you require the cables to connect your other devices. what other devices do you have?
@waynealbert1996
@waynealbert1996 Ай бұрын
Fucking finish swallowing!!! So annoying. Are you trying to eat your words!! Wtf!
@Thaabit
@Thaabit Ай бұрын
Hello Mike. Thanks for a useful video. Can you please advise as to whether one may use a Fox AIO with a battery bank to AC couple to a Victron Multiplus or Quattro? I already have a FOX AIO 6KW system, which is difficult to get rid of, so would like to use it within a Victron ecosystem. Advice and guidance will be greatly appreciated. Thaabit Cape Town
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Hey Mate, yes it can be done. We have done is several times with AC couple battery's. They all are pretty much the same.
@Thaabit
@Thaabit Ай бұрын
@@TheOffGridShop Thanks so much for your prompt response. Take care.
@ValentinaGombi
@ValentinaGombi Ай бұрын
Mike is awesome, incredibly knowledgeable and something I really appreciate, very honest and straight forward. I trust him fully and would recommend anyone on grid or off grid to trust his advise.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 29 күн бұрын
Thank you. Appreciate the feedback.
@catalincarp400
@catalincarp400 Ай бұрын
GOOD DAY, to make the settings in the GX multiplus, is it possible through Victron Connect? How do you log in to a multiplus ii GX to make operating settings?
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
It all depends on what you want to change. The best is to have it connected to the Vrm portal and you can do everything you want as long as you have installer access. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lau2nmyfap2nj7Msi=ZtM7HBjUMgvvM2an
@UKsystems
@UKsystems Ай бұрын
Just to say some of these questions could be answered by completing the proper online training which actually tells you how to install the product properly. I would recommend doing that before you ask questions that clearly show you do not know the relevant safety information to install product.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 29 күн бұрын
Would appreciate it if you could be more specific?
@UKsystems
@UKsystems 29 күн бұрын
@@TheOffGridShop a lot of technical questions in the comments front since people asking how to connect something all about wire size that type of question it just shows that someone has to really do the training because they have gaps in their knowledge. It isn’t a problem but they need to fill it in properly.
@ScottTaylor-k4g
@ScottTaylor-k4g Ай бұрын
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@mskmsk7174
@mskmsk7174 Ай бұрын
The more I have looked i to this system, the more likely I'll be installing it above all others. It's a complete reliable system in a box.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
They are a great solution. Where are you located? We have had some great results with our smart software with the wholesale markets in Australia.
@efrenfilipinochannel9032
@efrenfilipinochannel9032 Ай бұрын
Im interested to this product could yo be a link or acc to folloe and continue to explain the functions and uses of this
@MichaelTwum-d5y
@MichaelTwum-d5y Ай бұрын
I have one but I can't create account to charge the battery
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
What account are you trying to create? If it's for the RS all you require is the Victron connect app..
@MichaelTwum-d5y
@MichaelTwum-d5y Ай бұрын
How create account to control the inverter
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
App store Victron connect. Or go to the victron website and downloads page.
@martinholden8480
@martinholden8480 Ай бұрын
I have been using a grid connected off grid solar system now for overe 10 years, what started out as a simple system to reduce my power bills has turned into a fairly major project of trying to build a luxury lifestyle that runs on just solar which I have managed to do with the help of many YT videos including videos from Mike, Mike is going to do a major upgrade to my system once the Na or salt batteries become available in the next year. I wish to thank Mike and all of the other people who have put videos on YT on solar it has made a huge difference to our lives over the last 10 years, thank you all!!!!!!!!
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing.
@JohnThomas-ey1hx
@JohnThomas-ey1hx Ай бұрын
Great product, but too expensive in the UK. It will be short lived now that GivEnergy have announced the All In One Hybrid that will try an topple both the Tesla PW3 and Sigenergy.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Will check it out. Thank you
@timschuchard9626
@timschuchard9626 Ай бұрын
ive got a milwaukee tool inverter 175watt. works off of a milwaukee battery. when my power goes out at home, i lose my grid tie inverter solar power ( of course). im thinking of using my milwaukee inverter to fire up the grid tie inverter. and get some power flowing to use.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Let's us know how you go with that. Its very unlikely it will work and you will damage your inverter. I would love to hear that it does though.
@timschuchard9626
@timschuchard9626 Ай бұрын
@@TheOffGridShop i fired it up for a about ten seconds. the grid tie started working, started putting out watts. it started to rise and i shut it off. lol i think if i had something plugged in using the solar power it would work.
@stephenreid7805
@stephenreid7805 Ай бұрын
Love my system 😊,especially when others are losing their minds during frequent blackouts and massive bills.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
That great to hear. Lismore had more blackouts I heard yesterday. Thank you for sharing.
@DaveBarkas
@DaveBarkas Ай бұрын
Congratulations on a million views. You’re always informative and a great guy to have a chat with, keep up the good work mate.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Thank you Dave appreciate it.
@Pumpker_246
@Pumpker_246 Ай бұрын
Thanks Mike Jim and Don
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Thanks guys. Looking forward to coming home and coming and visiting you guys once the system is done.
@Pumpker_246
@Pumpker_246 Ай бұрын
I didnt comment this... I have no idea why the comment is here
@robertcraig7885
@robertcraig7885 Ай бұрын
I am running a 7kw reverse cycle off grid. And loving it.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
That great to hear.
@barbellufo4372
@barbellufo4372 Ай бұрын
My Victron PWM 30 amp controller is faulty. Once it charges and floats in full sun the solar arrow led flashes fast. When you discharge the battery this controller does not recommence recharging a depleting battery. The flashing solar arrow does not cease, not even the next day, so it does not recommence recharging. Only reconnecting all again will restart the controller to work to fully charge the battery. I took it back, they are testing it atm.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Best to contact the guys you got it from for a warranty claim. Where are you located?
@joeblack4137
@joeblack4137 Ай бұрын
So the battery powered inverter acts as the grid to “trick” the grid tie system to turn on. I would assume you would also have some type of battery charger running off the grid tie recharging the batteries for the other inverter. what happens with any extra power that is being produced but not consumed from the solar system with this kind of set up or am I missing something from what you described?
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Yes you are correct. The "Battery Inverter" is an Inverter charger to make this work. It wont work with just a battery inverter.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
And it will reduce the PV Inverter to 0 if the energy is not being used.
@joeblack4137
@joeblack4137 Ай бұрын
@@TheOffGridShop is there any sizing requirements between the inverters? I have an existing grid tie system and would like to add some thing for it to work when power is out.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
@joeblack4137 yes most have a 1 to 1 rule that the inverter charger is to be the same size or bigger than the PV Inverter.
@joeblack4137
@joeblack4137 Ай бұрын
@@TheOffGridShop would there be a minimum requirement for the battery bank size as well other than the obvious having enough storage could you have just a small bank to get the solar started to run some things while the sun is out only?
@mcsrecordingstudioalbionvi5082
@mcsrecordingstudioalbionvi5082 Ай бұрын
Great video and informative, however, you talk very fast, so maybe you might consider slowing down a bit : )
@pinkiepie1656
@pinkiepie1656 Ай бұрын
That's why youtube has a 0.75x speed option:)
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Thank you. Yes Mike talks fast when he is excited. And he is always excited about this stuff.
@Christian-lt7wd
@Christian-lt7wd Ай бұрын
I have a solaredge 6000 GTI with 20 (310)watt panels but im off grid. I also have 16 (280watt x 4 60amp mppt controllers. My question is- could i connect the gti to the ac side of running grid with blocking diodes to prevent blowing out my DctoAc inverter? Or do i need to buy a victron multipass /or hybrid inverter to create a grid to activate the solaredge GTI? DIODES would be cheaper but can that work on the AC side? Also a hybrid solar inverter i could add a lithium bank and for shade could charge my 10k agm bank which you know doesnt charge easily with its limited capacity. What is your expert advice?
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Yes you require a AC source diodes won't do the job. You want an Inverter charger. What country are you in?
@Qosmio1955
@Qosmio1955 Ай бұрын
The DC EV charging thing would be nice, but even then you are limited to how much solar you have. You can't "magic" electricity if you don't have the panels to make it. I don't have any data about the average size of off-grid solar system in OZ, but I suspect it would be in the region of 10kW to 15kW, which means, at best, about 13.5kW available for the EV (you still have to run the stuff in the house.) 13.5kW would be nice but, honestly, it's a bit "meh" really. My 7.36kW single phase charger has kept me on the road, without inconvenience, for over a year now. I'm also in the camp of people who like the versatility of being able to choose their own storage. My existing storage is Pylontech LFP and they're chugging along very nicely, but my next storage (if I'm not pushing up daisies before the Pylontechs die,) will be a used EV battery converted to suit my needs. (Who knows, might even be the battery out of my EV when it's too tired to run the car?) I agree that the reprogramming of Victron inverters if one dies, is an issue, but I have rehearsed for this possibility and have a step-by-step procedure loaded into my laptop and my phone just in case. I'm single-phase, multiple inverters (3x 5KVA) and could easily get by with two working inverters and make do (just) with one working inverter. The good thing, as you stated, is the reliability of Victron inverters. Most of the trouble (if the posts on the Victron Community pages are anything to go by) usually comes down to "finger trouble". People unnecessarily installing firmware upgrades, etc. I'm cautious of new entries to the tech world and I think that if Ii was to start all over again with my off-grid system I would still wait a couple of years to see how the Sigenergy stuff behaves. A lot of brands have fallen by the wayside in the world of tech.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Great info. And you are correct on all of that. Noark are doing a bidirectional charger which will be great. I think for off grid is more that you can siphon power from the car when required would be the real benefit. Thanks for your comments. Where are you located?
@Qosmio1955
@Qosmio1955 Ай бұрын
@@TheOffGridShop I'm at Northampton, Western Australia.
@laurentsosson1739
@laurentsosson1739 Ай бұрын
Hello and good for the video I wanted to ask you if it is possible to install the bms from victron (16S for a packlife that I have in 48 volts? 600AH)? or do you have to have a victron battery? my batteries are EVE 280AH in 16/2P can we wire all the batteries with the bms from victron or do we need a bms compatible with the victron? otherwise is it possible if there is no can in the battery pack to tell victron (multiplus and cerbo GX) that I have a lead gel battery pack? there is no bms on the lead in general? my pack can be protected by its own BMS cutoff 2.80 volts and maximum charge at 3.65 volts Possibly just to emit more or less on the multiplus? thanks laurent ps: I think I have a multiplus 2 in 8000 VA rather than the pure sine converter
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Thank you, we have found most BMS work with a Victron. When plugging them into a CCgx device. And most of them think they are a Pylontech battery. You should be fine.
@laurentsosson1739
@laurentsosson1739 27 күн бұрын
Hello I have another question about the lynx distributor on my solar installation I have 5 strings so 5 mptt smarsolar 150/35 they all have their 40A mega fuse fuse I was wondering if it was possible to connect the 5 smarsolar 150/35 directly to a lynx connector with a 200A fuse? possible? because otherwise I have to buy 2 lynx (expensive) to connect 4 individual smart solar (6MM²) on each lug of the first lynx and 2 others on the second lynx with the multiplus 800VA in all 7 locations on the 2 lynx no risk of gathering all the mptt in 6MM on 1 lug of 50MM²?
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 27 күн бұрын
Your could do that and we normally use the Noark DC breakers to a bus bar. The Noark breakers I am talking about look like an AC breaker. Small and good value. Then you can easily isolate and they trip instead of blowing.
@laurentsosson1739
@laurentsosson1739 27 күн бұрын
I understand a 40A DC circuit breaker on each MPTT output good idea! so my plan is ok to connect the 5 mptt together after the circuit breakers and then connect everything on a single location on the lynx? this will save me a lot of money rather than buying 2 lynx distributors! no risk of current return by gathering all the mptt?
@laurentsosson1739
@laurentsosson1739 27 күн бұрын
hello is model: B1D1C40 MCB UL489 - 1002384 - 1P - 40A - C-curve - 10kA - 125Vdc good?
@Christian-lt7wd
@Christian-lt7wd Ай бұрын
Just bought a Solaredge SE6000 watt GTI(grid tie inverter )& 15(310watt)panels 4650watts. How can I connect to my current 2200watt x 4mppt x 1400AH battery setup with a Jupiter 10k inverter?
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
You will want to do some reprogramming and set the frequency. Or even double check. It could be correct from factory .
@danield6042
@danield6042 2 ай бұрын
Can the Victron Multiplus be programmed to charge the battery only at certain hours and power the house from the grid?
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 2 ай бұрын
Yes you can use schudelled charging for this. And if your technical there are other programs like home assist and node red and you can use www.getlocalvolts.com and use the wholesale energy prices in Australia.
@elidimitri3502
@elidimitri3502 2 ай бұрын
question for you are you connecting off grid 240 volts output to the pv inverter can that be done without a piwer grid please explain
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 2 ай бұрын
That is correct. We put the pv inverters on the 240 load side of the inverters. It's important that your off grid inverter can control it though so when your batteries are full it can turn it off.
@pquk
@pquk 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for this review. I have an off-grid system being installed with 3 stacks of 6kw inverter+16kWh batteries. And 12kw panels per stack. One stack installed so far and working well.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. That sounds like and awsome system. Where are you located? Would love to hear more about it when it's done and working. You can email [email protected] if you want. Thank you
@Kanuka-Forest
@Kanuka-Forest 2 ай бұрын
I realise lead technology batteries have way more voltage drop than lithium, it's a question not a problem I'm having myself. Voltage isn't a great way to read the state of a battery because there are too many varying situations effecting voltage readings like under load or mppt voltage input. I just wonder how the inverter directs power to non essential loads through AC out 2 based on voltage. It's just something I ponder.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 2 ай бұрын
Yes state or charge would be a better way with this type of battery to deal with voltage swing. And none of it is ever perfect. I have several different brands and smart circuits at home and just this week had my hot water not heat and found out how to confuse a smart device and it didn't like to have different if this than that options. In the same time window. And we had a good shower. The joys of technology.
@canb_admittance
@canb_admittance 2 ай бұрын
what's the difference between green and orange stripe? can you please write it?
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 2 ай бұрын
It used to mean that the Multi had a solar input. Anything with a green stripe meant you could put solar panels into the unit. They didn't follow suit with the new Multis RS range as it can take solar and has an orange stripe. Hope that helps.
@CJsOff-GridAdventures
@CJsOff-GridAdventures 2 ай бұрын
Best video I've seen so far on this topic...love how Mike literally takes us through everything needed from the roof down etc. Thanks Mike, keep up the great and informative work!
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Thank you appreciate the feedback. You looking for a job?
@Jimmy-mx4cc
@Jimmy-mx4cc 2 ай бұрын
Grate vido ..im in Philippines Im doing a..small back up system on a small house 12/24 volt lights fans ..its ,,f,, hot in Philippines..and 12/. 24 volt.. chess fridge.. My request is can you recommend a. Complete system ,,like for a 1 kw. System .. regulator for battery...im NOT going to need a 240-AC SET UP
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Thank you. What battery options do you have available in the Philippines?
@andreas.d9143
@andreas.d9143 2 ай бұрын
It's sad when such smart people are actually really stupid. How can anyone claim that nuclear reactors are the future? No power plant that converts resources from the earth into heat and then into electricity is climate neutral. Our atmosphere is already warmed by the sun. If we pump a lot of waste heat from reactors into the atmosphere, it certainly won't get colder on earth. But if we use the energy of the sun and the wind, we don't put any additional energy into the atmosphere. We actually take energy away from the atmosphere. That would make our world cooler... but I'm not a university graduate and have no idea what I'm talking about ;)
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment. There are good reasons for both in my opinion. We sell solar for a living so we are supportive of that and we are also aware of the resources it uses to create the demands required. Have a watch of this video and let me know your thoughts. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6jCcotvjMZ9Zposi=jHC6GcvAyDfs52ij
@lukeclose4580
@lukeclose4580 2 ай бұрын
Hi Mike Can i use any pv inverter to AC couple? I have a solax string inverter I would like to use
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
What brand of battery inverter do you have? The answer is likely yes if you have a Victron or SMA
@lukeclose4580
@lukeclose4580 Ай бұрын
@@TheOffGridShop Thanks Mike yes MP2, I’m loving the Victron gear still learning the capabilities of what each component is able to do Cheers
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop Ай бұрын
@lukeclose4580 ok Great. You can adjust the frequency of the Victron and I will try and learn how to change them in the solax 1st. Most of those products like solax and goodwe have a higher frequency than the Abbs or SMAs and it's makes your clocks run fast.
@Kanuka-Forest
@Kanuka-Forest 2 ай бұрын
Avoid pylontech, they have pouch wrapped cells and they expand. There are many failed units in a warehouse here in NZ
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 2 ай бұрын
Best advice I have ever seen. From a subscriber.Thank you
@Kanuka-Forest
@Kanuka-Forest 2 ай бұрын
Loving your channel. I'm an installer in NZ, I have been called to fix 2 systems with these batteries, the white models. The batteries are fine, it was the cheap inverters that crapped out so i replaced with Victron. The issue is the guy installing these batteries has been putting 5kw inverters with only one of these batteries, you need around 114 amps dc of current draw to achieve 5kw AC so you really need 3 of these batteries paralleled to achieve this effectively. They have been installed for around 2 years, the customers ask if i can install 2 more with the existing battery. I say it might be too long to mix new and old, but you know these batteries, what do you say mate? I would appreciate your advice
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 2 ай бұрын
Hey Mate, yeah it is a very common thing to start with one battery while people build and then add more. Contact the powerplus rep in NZ. We have done it plenty of times and it's been fine. Double check with your rep in NZ on the serial numbers. We have also even sold the old model to existing customers and got the customer all newer ones. That has worked out well too. Then you put the same age batteries together.
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the feedback. Appreciate it.
@Kanuka-Forest
@Kanuka-Forest 2 ай бұрын
Great thanks for getting back. There are so many opinions about mixing battery ages, definitely not with lead, hard to know at what age difference with lithium. I will talk with the NZ rep 👍
@Kanuka-Forest
@Kanuka-Forest 2 ай бұрын
Are you running floating neutral generators keeping the only ground neutral link in the system right at the inverter?
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 2 ай бұрын
It all depends. Most of the guys remove the RCD from the generator and some don't. We have found the RCDs on the generator trip a lot when it's raining.
@Kanuka-Forest
@Kanuka-Forest 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for getting back. Do you have personal email contact? As an installer in NZ I could use some advice from time to time, you have more experience than me and you are always learning in this game. Could you do a video on ground neutral bonding in a system with a generator back up using 2x multiplus II inverters in parallel? There is potentially a ground neutral bond in the generator, each inverter and a main distribution box if people aren't aware of this side of things which is common even with qualified electricians. That would be a great video. Loving your channel 👍
@samuraidenis
@samuraidenis 2 ай бұрын
Great work, Thanks
@TheOffGridShop
@TheOffGridShop 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. Appreciate the feedback.