Thank you for sharing this ! Didn’t know about this history. Does something like Chinatown still exist in now Kolkatta?
@Frenwa1 Жыл бұрын
Yes it is appalling what was done to the Chinese with the war
@Fatmamafilms Жыл бұрын
Freny, if you have the time do watch ‘Beyond Barbed Wires’ on KZbin or Vimeo, take care
@somavapaul2054 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading such an excellent and informative video 🙏
@Fatmamafilms Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, do share if you can, best wishes
@terenceliao3475 Жыл бұрын
I still stay in that Chinatown of Kolkata but unfortunately there is nothing left to be called as Chinatown , I really miss my childhood, specially during the Chinese New year , we get excited 2-3 months the Chinese New year, preparing the dragons, it was just so amazing , wish those days continued forever ..thanks rafeeq
@irobeen Жыл бұрын
The video was fascinating to me as the places shown were regular haunts for me for decades. Well done!! However, I kept expecting there to be more about Fat Mama herself, as the title suggests. Am I missing the point? As a lifelong foodie, Fat Mama is my culinary hero when it comes to Chinese cooking and memories of her sitting at her stool ... barking out orders to her sons ... still instruct my efforts at recreating Calcutta style Chinese food to this very day. She still lives on in the memories of all who dined at her establishment and in the praises and nostalgic musings of all her many fans - Chinese and Indian! 🙂
@MagicofIndia1 Жыл бұрын
fantastic.. brings alive the past beautifully
@parichehrmanuchehr46792 жыл бұрын
Rafeeq Ellias thank you for your friendship with cousin Rashid Irani from Hormuzdyaar Felfeli 😁
@arunlahori68983 жыл бұрын
❤ Hare Krishna! Sad that their numbers have dwindled and a thriving town has fallen near silent. Born in 1960... 🙏 I apologize on behalf of our guilty elders. ♥ Please return. 💐
@kempaku9823 жыл бұрын
And all because of a war that India provoked and started.
@etloo19713 жыл бұрын
Ethnic Chinese worldwide had been demonized when China became a Communist state. The start of the Cold War in 1950 onwards worsen the situation for them in Southeast Asia.
@unknownvideo57483 жыл бұрын
I really feel bad . War is painful. Innocent people are targeting in every war. Pray for peace and love for humanity.
@vikrumjaitly3 жыл бұрын
Stay is India. This is your country.....Indian Govt. should release an apology for concentration camps episode in Devli in Delhi despite Chinese Aggression in Galwan. Don't mix common men, women and children in this aggression. Make them feel better so that they should be boon to India and its economy
@tymothylim65503 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this film. It was very informative of the Chinese Indian history and how it was linked with memories of nostalgic scenes and/or people.
@arvinduan61313 жыл бұрын
These people are really localized in many ways, the way they speak, really Indian style~hahaha
@nishantkorlekar11133 жыл бұрын
That was Sarvi hotel were u were dining,tasty sheekh kababs, I was always fascinated by these areas and used to explore them since I was 14 years old
@rafeeqellias54043 жыл бұрын
You’re absolutely right!
@saifshaikh92674 жыл бұрын
Bhopa
@victorilu60164 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rafeeq (the filmmaker) for this little but priceless gem with Rafique (the historian). During research on a book on Madhubala, I several times came across Rafique's writings that made a lot of opaque events clear. I marvel at his (and his co-author Rajiv Rao's) deep knowledge and sympathetic rendering of the people and events gone long time ago. It looks like he lives entirely in the company of his beloved history and obviously he's content with that. Please convey my salute to him.
@rafeeqellias54044 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you ... will send your comments to Rafique. Will be an amazing tonic in these times.
@MrNAND7814 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry for any insensitivity that people in Deoli camp may had. But if I compare the economic condition of that time it was not really bad too. I still consider all Indian Chinese as asset to India.
@Rocky-qw4kb4 жыл бұрын
It is heartening to read the apologies from the citizens of India on how the Indian Chinese were treated in 1962 and after. Many families in Kolkata and in India suffered because we were afraid that at any moment we would be arrested and taken to the concentration camps in Rajasthan. I recommend you read Doing Time with Nehru about an Indian Chinese family by Yin Marsh. It is an eye opener.
@jbloun9114 жыл бұрын
fat mama!!!
@postcardsfromj4 жыл бұрын
I just started reading The Deoliwallahs and came across a mention of this documentary. It's heartbreaking that Chinese Indians were treated so terribly under the guise of war and national interest. Interestingly, I visited Tangra many years ago because someone highly recommended the food at Beijing Restaurant. Never really explored the place or learnt more about it. This was an insightful glimpse and I hope to return someday and truly take it all in.
@terencekevin14 жыл бұрын
I remember my grandmother ( fatty mama ) ..... use me n my bro n sis to feed us went I was 5 or 6 yrs old ...
@rafeeqellias54044 жыл бұрын
That’s a sweet memory, would you have any pictures of her???
@divyanandvalsan55804 жыл бұрын
Great documentary..I didn't know about this atrocity. As an Indian,my sincere apologies to Chinese origin Indians. You people are as much Indians as us and hope you never have to live through anything like that again
@rafeeqellias54044 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for your feedback on my film. I wish more people felt like you and me about our fellow countrymen. This is sadly a lost cause, increasingly because most of the internees are too old or have passed away. Do see this follow up film when you have time Beyond Barbed Wires: A Distant Dawn vimeo.com/149116237
@krishnakeval29965 жыл бұрын
How can i with this full movie
@indoochintey2655 жыл бұрын
Great documentary sir. Sincere apology to all displaced Chinese Indians from assam too. It was really in human, read the same on book by Rita madam in Chinatown days.
@swagotbharadwaz16452 жыл бұрын
Makum book by the same author
@iqbalashraf94325 жыл бұрын
My all sympathies to Indian Chinese brothers and sisters. Can imagine the trauma and agony they gone through. Also try to make point whether ever China make any regret what he has done. In one side saying Hindi-Chini bhai bhai in other side stabed from back. Just ignoring international boundary line crossed Indian Territory and started war. Thousands of Indians soldiers were killed and occupied as POWs. Do these soldiers have not families. Ask 1st china to Apologize.....
@hectorlee57233 жыл бұрын
Fat Mama was my fovourite joint where I longed to go eat her tasty food when I was studying in Calcutta Bible College, I really miss those golden good days, Chinese people are really good people, hard working, and very enterprising people, I love them,I am not chinese but I'm an AngloIndian, God bless these wonderful people.
@BoniGopalanIND5 жыл бұрын
I apologize. It was wrong and inhuman for our (your and mine) government to persecute Indian Chinese post the 1962 Indo Sino War. Transporting you as prisoners across the country and shutting you up in a prison in Rajasthan was inhuman. Many of you were second and third generation living in India. It was unforgivable. I sincerely hope such mistakes never happen in the Indian history again. I understand it is hard to forgive and forget. I will not ask you to do so. But if you do then it is the greatness of your culture.
@AmitKumar-fb6yt6 жыл бұрын
Lots of love for our Chinese community in India..
@ounnipillai32896 жыл бұрын
I remember meeting a Chinese man in Delhi. He spoke Hindi and his ways were very Indian. he had a strong Indian accent when he spoke English.
@gratefullydeadful6 жыл бұрын
Aloha! I'm Chinese-American from Hawaii. I went to Kolkata in 2003 but never knew of this community. Very cool video!
@Fatmamafilms6 жыл бұрын
j d come again but soon. The number of chinese-Indians keeps dwindling. Sadly.
@gratefullydeadful6 жыл бұрын
Rafeeq Ellias Sad that everywhere the Chinese go they are discriminated against. I'm 3rd generation American but treated like a foreigner by racist whites, blacks and hispanics. Seems like everyone hates the Chinese.
@whateverw71734 жыл бұрын
@@gratefullydeadful They are just jealous.
@etloo19713 жыл бұрын
@@gratefullydeadful I have friends who are Chinese-Indonesians. They are treated as 3rd class citizens even they are 7th generation. Initially Chinese were respected in Indonesia during Ming Dynasty. The Dutch pitted the native Indonesian against ethnic Chinese. Things got worse under CIA backed Suharto regime massacred half million Chinese in 1965 coup backed by Islamic extremists. After 1950 ethic Chinese overseas were accused of being Communist agents.
@clemd636 жыл бұрын
the walls of the club are the work of Derek Monteiro. Artist extraordinaire.
@fishermann11026 жыл бұрын
The government of India needs to issue an official apology to these Chinese and erect a memorial for those who died in camp.
@Fatmamafilms6 жыл бұрын
Fisher Mann I certainly agree. And I hope we can do it before the generation is lost.
@chandrahermon28667 жыл бұрын
Love to all those Indochina bother and sister all over the world god bless you
@curtisgregory5177 жыл бұрын
In case of war, it is understandable and necessary to immediately take extreme measures when a country is being attacked to eliminate any danger of citizens or any person within the country that have ties to the enemy may be spies or just sympathetic to the enemy,,, so it is most likely best to detain them until the conflict/war is over. Other wise you may loose the battle and the war. However, when the war is over it is correct to apologize and properly resettle the people that were detained + pay fair and reasonable damages for their losses. Myself having lived in numerous countries as a foreigner or outsider,,, I know that I would be a questionable person as to where are my loyalties, and rightfully could considered a danger to the war effort. So, the country has four difficult choices: 1. send me home,,, then I am angry and would probably join forces against them. 2. leave me alone,,, who knows what I might do? 3. put me "on-ice" (detention) until the conflict is over,,, is probably the best choice for everyone involved. 4. or,,, very carefully use me to be a translator or something to help defeat the enemy.
@megoesmoomoo7 жыл бұрын
Hello. Fat Mama is my paternal grandmother. My father's name is Ming. She passed away when I was very young. I'm so floored watching this documentary and it breaks my heart to not have had the opportunity to have gotten to know her better. Thank you for doing this.
@rafeeqellias54047 жыл бұрын
So happy to hear from you; what an amazing coincidence. My wife who lived many years in Kolkata in the late 60s and early 70s frequented her place regularly. That's how the story came to me. Your grandma is a legend indeed.
@irobeen Жыл бұрын
I was a regular at Fat Mama's and her two sons always waited on us while being yelled at by their mother. The sons - around my age - also kind of knew me since the cover/dance band I was in played for their Chinese New Year dances. It was a truly sad day for the city of Calcutta when Fat Mama was no more. Still, I visualize her when I pull out my wok, turn on the gas and think, 'What would Fat Mama do?' 😪
@jamiechan78367 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for making this video and spread the awareness! We deserve more understanding across the cultures.
@Fatmamafilms7 жыл бұрын
Jamie Chan much appreciate your sentiments, please share, download and screen in schools colleges wherever you can
@ronpinkiepardiwala8637 жыл бұрын
Very well done Rafeeq. Originally we were born & had our education in private schools & now we are settled in Salt Spring Island British Columbia Canada. My whole family are doing pretty well out here. Good luck & all the best
@divyarathor99927 жыл бұрын
Heartfelt apologies to all the Chinese Indian families who were incarcerated after the 1962 Sino-Indian war! A serious mistake that our government should acknowledge. It is undeniable that as citizens of India, for generations you have made a rich contribution to our society and culture. The pain cannot be taken away, and the time cannot be returned, but I hope that abounding opportunities come your way, and you continue to flourish. If words could heal the wounds, please know that "your countrymen love and respect you". You are an integral part of India!! I hope that the new Chinese Indian generations continue to choose India as home. On the political scene and as neighboring countries, China and India with such rich traditions and ancient cultures ought to be the best allies. Thank you Rafeeq for bringing this tragic incident to light!
@Fatmamafilms7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for responding. Your words overwhelm me. But more than that your sentiments mean a lot to every Chinese who has made india his or her home. I am going to convey these sentiments to my friends in the community. You represent the highest ideals of humanity.
@divyarathor99927 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rafeeq for conveying my message to the community! I admire your effort in making this outstanding documentary and its sequel. Best wishes!
@Fatmamafilms7 жыл бұрын
Divya Rathor thank you and very best
@Rocky-qw4kb4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your very kind apology to the Indian Chinese who suffered during this time of which I am one. I must also thank the British who gave us passports so we could seek asylum in other countries. All Indian Chinese were made stateless.
@Mhow-ib6kq8 ай бұрын
@@divyarathor9992 Sir, my hat off and salute to your well written few lines. I'm reading many comments in Toronto and watching this video. I have a few Indian-chinese friends here. And I'm not Chinese or Indian. I pray 🙏 peace and happiness for mankind ❤
@N5cool7 жыл бұрын
Muslim groups in India lobby for illegal, illiterate and poor Bangladeshi immigrants to get Indian citizenship but unfortunately, the Chinese don't have any such lobby group but it's time that our selfish politicians who will go to any extent to get votes in their name, should have the basic courtesy of apologizing to these people, the people in this documentary make me think of my parents
@Valkyri3Z6 жыл бұрын
Never heard of such lobby. However the same lobby group responsible for plight and torture of Chinese community are also responsible for plight of Muslim community in India , i.e. Hindu Brahmin community. I wonder why they treat minorities so badly !! What is in Hindu blood that makes them treat Sikhs,Christians, Muslims,Chinese , Tribals with so much hate and disgust ?
@weichang23947 жыл бұрын
I was getting really emotional when I saw the part about the Chinese Journal of India, the press that was co-founded by my grand father in the 30s. I'm going to Kolkata next month and I wish I could at least see that by my own eyes, thank you very much for the film.
@Fatmamafilms7 жыл бұрын
I am emotional too. So glad my film could take your memories back to your grand dad. Such amazing people in the Chinese Indian community.
@TklenHaokip8 жыл бұрын
ayooo......luv this people....frm NE_India.
@reezy697 жыл бұрын
Guessing you're from Arunachal Pradesh? One blood, one love.
@sidhuthecr8 жыл бұрын
I am overwhelmed ! Thanks a lot for this video.
@Fatmamafilms8 жыл бұрын
Many thanks...
@bratish78928 жыл бұрын
Sir super documentary!! vintage food joint !! have you seen bombay velvet ?
@bichhuonglove708 жыл бұрын
stupid india instead of fighting Chinese in the front line. their fighting Chinese behind the line 1000 of mile away in India. gun and glory tough on unarmed chinese civilian.
@ppfchang558 жыл бұрын
well said
@Fatmamafilms8 жыл бұрын
Many thanks
@rafeeqellias9 жыл бұрын
Do watch this trailer of my follow up film vimeo.com/123167866