Ford 4-Speed Toploader How it Works
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Ford 4-Speed Toploader Disassembly
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@jmc3676
@jmc3676 3 күн бұрын
Your videos are awesome. What made you pick 26 thousandths ring gap sir. Thanks I'm just trying to learn
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 3 күн бұрын
That’s the spec included with the Eagle rotating assembly.
@trailerparkcryptoking5213
@trailerparkcryptoking5213 7 күн бұрын
You can buy a really tiny funnel to keep in the shop....stick it in the front bowl vent tube of your carb and pour about half a cup of fuel in it.....pump the accelerator twice and she fires immediately.....been doing this for decades.
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 7 күн бұрын
Great idea. I actually tried that and it works great. A while ago I bought an auxiliary flow-through electric pump that I would use just on startup but I haven’t gotten around to installing it. Probably need to upgrade my original style fuse block with only 7 glass fuses first.
@trailerparkcryptoking5213
@trailerparkcryptoking5213 7 күн бұрын
What tires are you running on the rear?
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 7 күн бұрын
I’m only running a 225/60R15 on the rear. The 235 I had before stuck out past the fender and would rub.
@jmc3676
@jmc3676 9 күн бұрын
Sir did you use your original distributor with a steel gear or a new one. Would you have the part numbers that you used. Thanks
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 9 күн бұрын
I have a PerTronix D130700 electronic distributor with a steel gear.
@jmc3676
@jmc3676 9 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video they are awesome. How have the retrofit cam and lifters held up.
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 9 күн бұрын
Except for the defective lifter on first startup they are performing great.
@jmc3676
@jmc3676 16 күн бұрын
I installed an flat tappet and lifter kit in my 68 302 and found that several lifters were not oiling. After taking them all apart for cleaning I discovered the ones not oiling had the oil metering disc concave side was pointing down. I did some research and found the concave side should be facing the pushrod because of the oil groove in the disc and this fixed the oiling issue. I'm building a retrofit 289 and using the same spider and lifters you did. I took them all apart and they were lubed and clean. Only issue is 4 of the 16 had the metering disc orientation backwards.
@jmc3676
@jmc3676 16 күн бұрын
Correction on my comment is the oil metering disc protrusion should be toward the pushrod allows the oil to pass through the small groove to the rocker. Sorry
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 16 күн бұрын
Wow. Nice find. It makes sense the disc has to be oriented a certain way otherwise they would be flat. I could see how the disc could flip over during assembly if you weren’t careful.
@jmc3676
@jmc3676 17 күн бұрын
Are you still driving the mustang and if so how is it holding up
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 17 күн бұрын
After the motor I ended up replacing the entire front suspension and brakes. Now that I’m off work for the summer I can finally get to editing the video for that install.
@michaelgreen7028
@michaelgreen7028 18 күн бұрын
Is there any BETTER cable made for this application?…why replace the cheap, failure-prone cable with the same thing?
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 17 күн бұрын
I don’t think there’s anything available other than OEM. Unless the aftermarket gets involved it seems that OEM replacement parts continue to go downhill in quality and fitment as cheaper manufacturers find more ways to cut costs.
@michaelgreen7028
@michaelgreen7028 17 күн бұрын
@@JohnLatrobe thanks…I’m considering just making up a Morse cable like the ones I use for my shifter and parachute release on my race cars…
@pederbenjaminsson4853
@pederbenjaminsson4853 19 күн бұрын
👌👍✌
@jgreen4715
@jgreen4715 20 күн бұрын
How did you set the valve lash?
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 20 күн бұрын
For hydraulic lifters: 1. Set the #1 piston to TDC so both valves are closed. 2. If necessary, loosen the rocker arm nut until the pushrod is a little loose and rotates easily. 3. Rotate the pushrod while tightening the rocker arm nut until you feel the pushrod just start to tighten up. That’s zero lash. 4. Tighten the adjuster nut an additional 1/2 turn to set the preload. (Check the manufacturer’s recommendations) 5. Rotate the crank 90 degrees and repeat the procedure on the next cylinder in the firing order.
@jgreen4715
@jgreen4715 21 күн бұрын
Sounds good and pulls hard!😮
@lowbornfabrication
@lowbornfabrication Ай бұрын
Gorgeous pony!! 🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🏁
@Stingrayflame
@Stingrayflame Ай бұрын
Awesome car man, I got a 347 build for my 65 going at the moment AFR 185’s with a Lunati 218/228 536/536 HR with a built C4 with a 2800 PTC and 3.55 gears can’t wait to get her going. Should be a torque monster I hope.
@Mr572u
@Mr572u Ай бұрын
Rear end is whining. Doesn’t that bug you?
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe Ай бұрын
Absolutely
@stevo196two9
@stevo196two9 26 күн бұрын
I thought it was the top loader?
@billystephens9255
@billystephens9255 2 ай бұрын
Um sure would've like too seen the car
@Stingrayflame
@Stingrayflame 2 ай бұрын
What’s the specs on the 331? Heads? Can? Just curious it sounds great
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 2 ай бұрын
The long parts list is in the description.
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 2 ай бұрын
4:10 Why are you getting light in the pushrod hole??
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 2 ай бұрын
I was shining a light down the intake port above the lifter valley which also lit up the underside of the pushrod hole.
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 2 ай бұрын
With the bolts torqued, how much side slop is in the trunion bearing?? Chinesium rockers flop around quite badly... Like .060+ and can make the rocker slap the valve stem... Click click.....
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 2 ай бұрын
I honestly didn’t measure the side play. Next time I pull the valve covers I’ll check it.
@dmalley1597
@dmalley1597 2 ай бұрын
THANK YOU!!!!
@ordovicicosilurico6799
@ordovicicosilurico6799 3 ай бұрын
If i have the shifter removed , i have to put everything back , and connect first the shifter end , Then the transmission at the end ? both on neutral ?
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 3 ай бұрын
Yes, place both in neutral and then set the clip to lock in the adjustment.
@davidgentz1731
@davidgentz1731 3 ай бұрын
Good way to ruin your bearings and ruin your starter the last thing you want to do is drive turn a car over my goodness you want that thing to fire up now you can run them bearings out of you need the oil
@iampapa318
@iampapa318 3 ай бұрын
My god that brings back memories, Thank You !!!
@drewsky1967
@drewsky1967 3 ай бұрын
went thru your mods list but wasn't able to find? rear end ratio? 3.25s.. 3.50 ?
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 3 ай бұрын
I calculated 3.70 based on rpm vs mph
@drewsky1967
@drewsky1967 3 ай бұрын
@@JohnLatrobe nice !
@davidnclearlaketx
@davidnclearlaketx 3 ай бұрын
All you need to do is replace the bushings! I'm sure the cable is fine-- spend $2 at the auto parts buy the doorman white and clear bushing kit pop them in and you're good to go. 😁
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 3 ай бұрын
I had already replaced the bushings so this is the second time they had failed. I don’t want my wife getting stranded somewhere so I feel better replacing the whole cable.
@TheGeonam
@TheGeonam 3 ай бұрын
I have a brand new 65 mustang convertible body i have been messing with for the past year. Installed TPI four link rear suspension with a nine inch rear end. Installed a mustang II front suspension I DID IT 8 way tilt steering column , and a 347 stroker motor not yet in car. I need a C4 trans next, but it is one step at a time, and I don't have a money tree. I just hope it runs as nice as your car. Thanks for the ride.
@1manshop335
@1manshop335 4 ай бұрын
Will that work in a 1964 Ford Comet
@1manshop335
@1manshop335 4 ай бұрын
I got a 302 sbf
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 4 ай бұрын
Total Control Products website says it also fits 60-65 Falcon and Comet.
@1manshop335
@1manshop335 4 ай бұрын
Awesome thanks 👍
@kameamecars
@kameamecars 4 ай бұрын
I'm digging the camera drop/non edit at the end. thanks for being human about it.
@brandonknight7240
@brandonknight7240 4 ай бұрын
Yea i just bought the 2 piece for my heads they came with the 1 piece, trickflo twisted wedge 170 heads
@alertgasper
@alertgasper 4 ай бұрын
man, haven't seen a manual choke (except my Gravely L and 1970's motorcycles) in a while. I have an electric fuel pump on my 4-4-2 to fill the carb without spinning it that long--it also acts like a kill switch and wires into the oil pressure gauge to kill the flow if oil pressure gets too low. Thanks for the ride-along, I still have my Honey Gold 1967 with interior/exterior Decor Group. Took it off the road to install a 1969 fuel tank a while back and then magically it came apart to tackle a few other things :) Originally a 289/3 speed car, a prior owner went with 1970's fuel economy tech--a 351W swap with headers and a Hurst shifted Top Loader. boy those long handled shifters help you feel the leverage between gear changes, just fingertips on the wooden hourglass handle to do the job or grab 'er and go.
@user-wm1ft7bj8w
@user-wm1ft7bj8w 4 ай бұрын
I could use a COMP HIPO cam with this right? Or do I need a Cam that is designed for roller lifter. Also how does this help with the breaking in process (Flat tappet / need zink additive / 2000 rpm and then question CAM strength and hardness vs older quality cams like my original in my 1967 mustang), also is there any changes to push rods required you said they are shorter or does the stud take up the extra?
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 4 ай бұрын
Ford roller blocks use large base circle cams, whereas earlier non-roller blocks use cams with a small base circle. In addition, the roller block lifter bores are longer since roller lifters are longer than older flat tappet lifters. So, in order to run a roller cam in an early non-roller block you need 2 things. 1. A small base circle roller cam (not a flat tappet) called a roller retrofit cam 2. Retrofit roller lifters designed for non-roller blocks. Standard roller lifters are too tall for the lifter bore and can expose the oil port at high lift. You can use lifters that require dog bones and a spider tray, or lifters with link bars. Roller cams don’t require additives or a break-in procedure like flat tappets do. Also, you should measure for the proper pushrod length so that the rocker arm is perpendicular to the valve stem at mid lift.
@user-wm1ft7bj8w
@user-wm1ft7bj8w 4 ай бұрын
@@JohnLatrobe - Please help with more info - very new to 289 engine and based in South Africa ( just bought a 1967 mustang coupe, manual). What cam that is like a HIPO cam meets the criteria (roller retrofit cam) 2)Do the stock pushrods work, and the stock rockers 1.6 ratio. Will I need to put in ARP studs for reliability and peace of mind, as lift could stress stock studs) 3)have heard bad stories of normal cams and hydralic lifters ( non roller) - not running in properlly, given I am in SA, I haveto import everything, so could not afford a defect or a bad run-in. 4)Is the run-in process with roller retrofit cam and matched roller hydraulic lifters, much simpler. or still a 200 rpm for 30 min exercise? and also special oil / more zink additive etc.. Tks John for your help
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 4 ай бұрын
@@user-wm1ft7bj8w You can search on the COMP Cams website for 289 roller cams and get the specs to compare to their HIPO grind, but flat tappet and roller cams specs don’t really compare directly. Flat tappet lobe profiles are limited in how steep they can be so roller cam lobes can open the valve faster. If you look at the 284HR cam specs for example, it has slightly less duration than the HIPO cam, but much higher lift so it probably flows better. Just my opinion… 2) Anytime you’re using non-factory parts it’s a good idea to measure for the proper pushrod length in order to achieve the proper rocker arm geometry. If your heads have pressed-in studs you’ll definitely want to upgrade to screw-in rocker arm studs. 3) The failure rate of flat tappets during break-in is exactly why I chose to convert to a roller. 4) Roller cams don’t require any special run-in procedure or zinc additive. Just some proper assembly lube.
@MERCNRY
@MERCNRY 5 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I need to do with my Arcan 3T. I was wondering if HB crossbeam would work. Thank you for the video.
@javierandrada1620
@javierandrada1620 5 ай бұрын
Muy buen video, gracias
@rickhughett6713
@rickhughett6713 6 ай бұрын
Can you show me how to install the reverse switch bracket that hurst sent me for my 69 mustang toploader?
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 6 ай бұрын
Sorry, mine doesn’t even have the lights so no bracket. Maybe this will help: 1969stang.com/forum/index.php?/topic/57989-back-up-light-switch-69-vs-70/
@Titan-uy1qy
@Titan-uy1qy 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing sir 😊
@2001redz28
@2001redz28 6 ай бұрын
Are you at all concerned that the block may crack where you drilled to install lifter retainer???? I am only asking because I have a 302 non-roller block that I am going to use to do a similiar build as yours with but I keep hearing that the block will crack in the lifter bay if I drill holes for screws.
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 6 ай бұрын
I’m not at all concerned. COMP Cams wouldn’t sell so many kits if there was a big risk.
@alertgasper
@alertgasper 4 ай бұрын
there's enough roller block low deck Windsors around to be had, I'd think it's cheaper in the long run to grab one rather than do the swap. you will have to keep track of the flywheel weight since Ford changed the crankshafts in the 1980's. And youtube is full of videos saying flat tappet cams have a problem with wiping out camshaft lobes, with competition cams running into the issues with cheap (speed pro?) lifters having bad machining from the box.
@stuartedwards3067
@stuartedwards3067 7 ай бұрын
not at all impressed.
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 7 ай бұрын
me neither.
@stevefowler2112
@stevefowler2112 7 ай бұрын
I have a recuring dream where I time travel back to '65 with the parts to build a 331/327 with AFR heads and modern parts to put out 500 HP in a '65 K code Fastback Mustang...i paint the aluminum parts black and have the OEM High Performance 271 H.P. sticker on the air cleaner so when i open the hood it looks like a stock 289 HiPo
@davidsaldivar6735
@davidsaldivar6735 5 ай бұрын
We just need a flux capacitor
@alertgasper
@alertgasper 4 ай бұрын
Back in the Vietnam days, folks did do stroker low deck Windsors...they pulled a truck crankshaft from a Y block Ford, and had it machined down to fit and make a 327. but you'd have to wait until 1967 for Tunnel Port heads, an over-the-counter precursor to the Boss 302. And there was a Paxton supercharger option if you weren't really worried about a stock looker. Or a Weber carb setup (think Cobra) and shift at 7,000 rpm. at least you'd have the gasoline for all that compression ratio right at any Sunoco 260 pump.
@lowbornfabrication
@lowbornfabrication Ай бұрын
Best summary ever! 🇺🇸🏁🏴‍☠️
@dirtstiff84
@dirtstiff84 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for showing the lock on the cable VERY HELPFUL 👍
@pokerspades2167
@pokerspades2167 7 ай бұрын
👌
@Project_Valkyrie
@Project_Valkyrie 7 ай бұрын
Sweet sounds, very healthy. Awesome ride
@horsecockexpress7612
@horsecockexpress7612 8 ай бұрын
isn't it a lot easier to get the front one from the top instead of removing exhausts and tunnel plates
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 8 ай бұрын
IDK. It would be hard to route the cable. Maybe you could tie the new cable to the old one and pull it through but if I tried to do that it would definitely snag on something.
@horsecockexpress7612
@horsecockexpress7612 8 ай бұрын
that was quite a big clunk going from N to D at the end. Whats happening there?
@DayzOfMacklyFe
@DayzOfMacklyFe 8 ай бұрын
What year is your motor? I have a 1991 Ford 289 and I was wondering doni need a front sump oil pan.
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 8 ай бұрын
The casting is D1ZM so it’s a 1971 casting, made in Mexico block. Ford used the same casting from 1971-1974. I believe you can use front or rear sump on the same block with the correct oil pickup tube.
@jimmyrwilkesjr5127
@jimmyrwilkesjr5127 8 ай бұрын
She's begging for more rpm man let her run
@Backfire10
@Backfire10 8 ай бұрын
I noticed you have the taller shift arm on the 1-2 and the shorter one on the 3-4. Is this correct. It seems to work either way on my, but curious. Thank you.
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 8 ай бұрын
Looking at Holley’s website, the arm stamped 2108 and appears to be the shorter arm, is the 3-4 arm. The 1-2 should be stamped 2723. These are what came with my car and probably different for other applications.
@Backfire10
@Backfire10 8 ай бұрын
@JohnLatrobe Thank you Sir.
@donaldspeck9212
@donaldspeck9212 8 ай бұрын
Just wondering what grit stones you used? Did you use 2 different grits? Rough and fine ? How much was the lisle 15000?
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 8 ай бұрын
The Lisle 15000 came with coarse grit (80) and medium (180). I started with the coarse and followed up with the medium, and then the ball hone. The Lisle cost me $150 at the time; I imagine I could get half that much for it used.
@BitHead1000
@BitHead1000 8 ай бұрын
Hey brother. Great video. Learned something. Thanks.
@jeffunderdahl8605
@jeffunderdahl8605 9 ай бұрын
John, I just watched a dozen or so of your Toploader and 331 build vids. They are great. I’m building a 68 Fastback myself and appreciate the detail and video work. Keep it up. And please disregard the trolls that post here and on some of your other vids. Some people have their own ‘issues’ and posting stupid comments make them feel better. You’re doing just fine, and please keep up the good work. 👍
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 9 ай бұрын
Jeff, thanks for the positivity. I could never understand why people enjoy being trolls. They must really be miserable inside. I’ve taken lots of videos on the new suspension install. Just need to edit them.
@jeffunderdahl8605
@jeffunderdahl8605 9 ай бұрын
@@JohnLatrobe agree on your assessment 100%. I can’t wait to see those vids. I went the OpenTracker myself. My car should be done in the next couple months. 4.5 year project. It’s been quite a journey.
@kookylook2071
@kookylook2071 9 ай бұрын
Go pro you'll be hands free!
@Gillettesgarage
@Gillettesgarage 9 ай бұрын
Really good job on this video that's worth a subscribe.
@AntiMaxer
@AntiMaxer 9 ай бұрын
every video of people doing mounts etheir show nothing but the parts in or out or the whole motors on a stand
@JohnLatrobe
@JohnLatrobe 9 ай бұрын
You can see the motor mounts in the car in the next video, part 27.