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@davidhmws
@davidhmws Күн бұрын
I've watched several videos proclaiming the same technique, and always thought it was somewhat simplistic, but until you responded to someone saying that the technique balances mass "while foiling" and you can make adjustments in the transition from taxi to foiling that I realized the genius of the technique. I had always thought the latter was key (you wanted same foot position for taxi and foiling). But thinking about it, your mass is heavier when turning, also lighter when being lifted by the wing in a gust. Basing the positioning so that the balance point is indifferent to body mass seems like the right idea after all. Is the board speed a consideration at all? We sail at all different speeds all the time, but there is an average "crusing speed" for a lot of us. When going faster versus slower, is the center of lift of the foil actually different (involving shifting feet) or are we just tilting the board flatter to keep from breaching?
@toddpohakubradley6698
@toddpohakubradley6698 7 күн бұрын
Super informative
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Күн бұрын
thanks Todd!
@mindofown
@mindofown 18 күн бұрын
Excellent explanation
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 17 күн бұрын
thanks!
@PunkerTFC
@PunkerTFC 21 күн бұрын
I'd love to see some pictures of the drop anchor leash itself. Thanks!
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 18 күн бұрын
Here it is! ibb.co/6wxwnh7 I connect the wing leash to the steel ring and the cover is tied into a knot in the webbing belt so it won't slide through.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 18 күн бұрын
would be cleaner to sew up a sandbag with a webbing belt but this does the trick!
@brian2973
@brian2973 26 күн бұрын
Is this Lilooet Lake?
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 25 күн бұрын
good guess, but I've sworn an oath of secrecy to the other locals!
@brian2973
@brian2973 24 күн бұрын
@@omenfoils totallly understand, I've got a bunch of BC lakes on my hit list for DW. Just need to learn the damn sport first haha. Gear is looking great btw! Eyeing up an Omen for next summer.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 23 күн бұрын
@@brian2973 haha, sounds like a good Omen! shoot me an email and we can talk more details on lakes :) [email protected]
@LexLissauer
@LexLissauer 27 күн бұрын
I'm 62 kg beginner. Started on 170 L borrowed inflatable to get the hang of it, bought a 96L (1800 & 1550 foil, now I ride 1250 and 1050) and after a year tried smaller boards and eventually tried a KT 5'4" 56L board with not much expectation that I would be able to ride it. Until my surprise I managed to mount it, albeit struggling. I fell in love and immediately bought it (second feet). Watched some video's about stinkbug start and realized that that was far more efficient than my improvised mount. I have a 90% success rate now both sides, provided there is enough wind or gusts that pertain long enough. I didn't try going out in waves yet. I was never able to jibe the 96L, let alone sail toe side, but on the 56L it is a lot easier. I recommend everybody to go down in volume as soon as possible.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 25 күн бұрын
Right on Lex, the huge boards are great for learning but for sure hold you back once you're up and riding consistently. They also generally force you into using bigger foils since they create so much drag when picking up the speed required for smaller foils. Often bigger folks make bad equipment reccomendations to smaller lighter riders not taking into account the significant impact weight has to our sport. Once you've got a few more months of progression you should try something around the 40L range, I think you'll again be surprise that it's really not that hard with a well practiced stinkbug start and decently strong wind.
@GavinYoungDC
@GavinYoungDC Ай бұрын
🎉❤😊 finally clicked on what I need to do, just got to do it now
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Great to hear it Gavin, let me know how your tweaking goes!
@ozoneflysurfer9491
@ozoneflysurfer9491 Ай бұрын
Perfect explanation and the visualization really makes it easy to understand. The only problem is that the Omen Flux board is so quick and efficient to pop up onto foil that I'm afraid to mess with it ;)
@Nicolas_Lelievreoff
@Nicolas_Lelievreoff Ай бұрын
Very nice video🤙
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
thanks Nicolas!
@BruceXiao-r1h
@BruceXiao-r1h Ай бұрын
1. If the board has rocker in tail, sure the posistion is very important, but as no rocker design I think the better is get good filling in stand and foot pressure. 2. Flip the board to find the gravity center is trick especially use the palm of hand ----you cannot use the finger to make the correct result due to your finger cannot take the weight, but you wide palm will make it wrong especailly the wing has convex curve on top, just little tune the palm will tilt the system. A better idea would be to tie a string to the board and check the system's balance.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment Bruce, I'm not quite sure what you mean on point #1. Regarding lifting with the finger, I form my hand into a "knife" and lift with my index finger/knuckle which is supported by my other fingers. Found this works pretty well.
@Dean-g8f
@Dean-g8f Ай бұрын
Epic scenery!
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Thanks Dean!
@kylemaligro
@kylemaligro Ай бұрын
One way to do it but parawing is the shizzzzz. You won’t be doing it this way after that. 🤙🏾
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
haha, already have had a couple sessions on it by the time this was posted. For sure it's an amazing tool but the drop anchors are still fun in a group and accessible without any additional gear purchases to get a taste of the uninhibited downwinding feels. I'm absolultely stoked to get more sessions on the parawing though!
@zbindenren
@zbindenren Ай бұрын
Nice Video, thx
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
thanks! Hope you give it a try!
@bdwelle43
@bdwelle43 Ай бұрын
Nice one! I was up there last summer with my buddy Noah!
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Such an amazing spot, my all time favorite place
@kevinbryski
@kevinbryski Ай бұрын
Awesome vid Greg and Sam. Great teamwork
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Thanks Kevin!
@martinomovies
@martinomovies Ай бұрын
Are you going to go above 84L with the new shape?
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Not in this new line but we do have a bigger shape in the works which will only be available in 95L and 105L
@martinomovies
@martinomovies Ай бұрын
Great vid. Every time I wonder if my feet are too off stance, I look at you!
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Haha, I hope it's not for moral support seeing somone who is truly off! I've been working on my stance recently, trying to get in the habit of turning my back foot a bit more forward facing.
@kovz910
@kovz910 Ай бұрын
Awesome concept, plan to give it a go 👍🏼
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Stoked to hear how it goes!
@scotttemplin1877
@scotttemplin1877 Ай бұрын
Is that a proto stab?
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
it is, will have some production ones available in two weeks. Pushes up the stall speed of the 1050 slightly but for that compromise you get more playfulness, higher top speed, and increased mid and higher speed glide :D
@stephenmcphee9382
@stephenmcphee9382 Ай бұрын
Great video, Greg. Nimpkish?
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
you know it!
@BernardHa
@BernardHa Ай бұрын
New shape?? Exciting 🙌🏻 I'm after a smaller stick after my super fav 72flux.. I weigh 65kg so it's a neutral plus. For bigger board, I don't need back footstrap, never had any issue. Gets me going every time from 5/6kts on 700front. Super stoked always. Nice work w drag anchor! Cheers Greg
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Drop me a line anytime to chat about the new shapes Bernard, though the 48L Flux may be the right move instead :)
@OCEANBOUND1
@OCEANBOUND1 Ай бұрын
I didn't really understand how this concept would work and the benefits until I watched this. cool video, love the stuff you guys are doing. keep it up!
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Right on Oceanbound, hope you get out with some friends and give it a shot soon :)
@PhilipKlawitter
@PhilipKlawitter Ай бұрын
Great tips! I'm hyped up to see the prototype board in the future.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Stoked to get you on one Philip!
@ermanakbay
@ermanakbay Ай бұрын
Is jumping to switch feet considered bad technique? I got my first couple of lucky switches by jumping and landing both feet at the same time. Feels a bit easier than doing it in multiple steps. But I don't want to teach myself bad technique.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Nothing is bad if you can make it work consistently, however, I would say you are likely going to make things harder on yourself with this approach in the long term despite the initial success. I know there is lots of steps involved in my recommendation but after some practice they'll be committed to muscle memory and soon you won't even realize you're doing them. I'd say it similar to winging in general, making a video on how to just wing in a straight line would end up being very complex - so many little micro adjustments need to be happening on multiple axis' at once with both the foil and the wing - and worse yet they interact with each other! Luckily our brains adapt and pretty soon most folks will get smoother and start channeling their inner Johnny Heineken vs Bambi on ice!
@CraigHollins-cr9uw
@CraigHollins-cr9uw Ай бұрын
Thanks guys, great video as I’ve just moved to a smaller board and struggling. Off to try this method today.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Right on Craig, please let us know how it goes!
@Ian12080
@Ian12080 Ай бұрын
I was cleaning the kitchen and clicked, hoping for some nuanced insights on mast position. Whatever people are experiencing in turns with board dip is most likely not related to the mast position and the moment of the board being forward of the center of lift. (It always is on mine). The rider has a far greater effect on moment than the board can possibly have in any mast position
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Thanks Ian, I don't disagree. I made a comment a few months ago that I need to film a follow up but it's probably buried. The pitch up/down of the board with an "off centre" foil position is created during unweighting and weighting the system rather than turning directly. I would add though that while rider skill and input is the most important variable and good riders can adjust and compensate for "poorly" tuned systems or even reap benefits from certain tunings which would cause an intermediate rider to struggle. Ultimately I'm trying to find to provide the most accurate advice for folks to best understand and improve their equipment but at the end of the day the best way to improve at foiling is foiling more :)
@sakritone
@sakritone Ай бұрын
I was also confused about direction of the shim angle. Assuming the board is upright adding shims to change the angle of stabilizer makes the angle negative (using trigonometry reference). This pushes the fuselage tail down thus increasing front wing lift. (Just like a plane). If the board is upside down then positive shim lifts the front of stabilizer increasing the angle in a trigonometric convention. We should always specify if the board is upside down when talking about +/- shims to reduce confusion. Thanks for a very informative video😊
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Thanks @sakritone. I think it is extra confusing as there are two "right" ways to look at it (both thinking about the foil flying right side up: 1. Calling a shim "negative" since it is oriented at a negative angle relative to parallel (increases the downforce of the stabilizer) 2. Calling the same shim "positive" since it increases the angle of attack of the stabilizer and therefore increases its downforce. Personally I like the second method because I desire an intuitive relationship between the shims I put in and the resulting downforce produced by the tail.
@Gilloup
@Gilloup Ай бұрын
What can you tune with tail shimming that you cannot with plate shimming ? I have a speed plane where the front wing, the fuselage and the stab are molded in one piece altogether, so there is no possible tail shimming !
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Hi Gilloup, unfortunately they do two completely different things. The plate shim adjusts the angle at which the board flies relative to the foil and the tail shim adjust the amount of stability/downforce provided by the tail. For your setup hopefully the manufacturer set it up in a good overall spot, but even so it can be frustrating if you are short and light, or tall and heavy as this would require a different amount of tail shim to be perfectly dialed.
@Gilloup
@Gilloup Ай бұрын
@@omenfoils Yep I had understood that. I reframe my question. Both ways can provide more lift, or less, correct ? Why using one way instead of the other if you aim at tuning the global lift ? You say the plate shim slows riding, do you then conclude that the tail shim is always to be prefered ? I have just bought 2 plate shims on internet so can send them back if tail shims are more efficient. My plane lifts too much and has a removable tail.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
@@Gilloup Hi Gilloup, I think you're looking at it incorrectly. Neither the plate shim or tail shim have a goal of increasing the lift of the system (the tail shim does affect the overall lift, but only slightly and this is not it's purpose). The plate shim adjusts the angle of the board in flight and the tail shim adjusts the amount of stabilizing force the tail provides. Think about them both as tuning a system which is out of balance rather than increasing the lift of the foil. I think it would benefit you to rewatch our stabilizer video and plate shim video with this in mind :)
@Gilloup
@Gilloup Ай бұрын
@@omenfoils Incorrect, rewatch etc ... I respect your goal to sell but please ! Instead you should go for a third video going straight to the issue of tuning the lift of a plane because many riders face it. Reading your last answer there is no way to significantly tune the lift ... so just get rid of my plane and buy another, is that what you mean ?
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
​@@Gilloup I think we may just fundamentally disagree on what is possible/practical with shims. The baseplate shim and tail shim are not for increasing or decreasing the lift of your front wing. Can you describe what you are trying to achieve with this "lift tuning"?
@Gilloup
@Gilloup Ай бұрын
Plate or tail shimming, how to choose ?
@omenfoils
@omenfoils Ай бұрын
Hi Gilloup, The plate shim adjusts the angle at which the board flies relative to the foil and the tail shim adjust the amount of stability/downforce provided by the tail. I think this video explains when to use the baseplate shim, whereas the tail shim is to be used to balance the stability and glide of the foil. It's a complicated topic but if you checkout our video on the topic happy to answer any specific questions!
@bonerici
@bonerici 2 ай бұрын
Pumping is pretty complicated. Good video. One thing I think is true and that's pumping is most effective at your highest speed that is right before the bottom, not the entire slope down.
@Jonpilo-uz1yf
@Jonpilo-uz1yf 2 ай бұрын
What do you mean in "keeping the board flat"? Is it a little pump to generate speed efficiently?
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 2 ай бұрын
I think I would have just been referring to avoiding trying to force the nose of the board up during the power phase of a pump like you would with a skateboard ollie. The ideal pump cylce starts with a subtle dip downwards of the nose of the board followed by a powerful pushing down with both legs. At the end of the push the front leg is unweighted first followed almost immediately by the back leg so the board and foil can glide upwards and recover the height lost in the loading phase. So the board is not completely flat, however, the angle change is subtle. It's common for beginners to "popoise" the board aggressively which is inefficient and even downright counterproductive.
@Jonpilo-uz1yf
@Jonpilo-uz1yf 2 ай бұрын
@@omenfoils do longer legs helps for speed?
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 2 ай бұрын
@@Jonpilo-uz1yf That's a good question, I could really only speculate. The most important factor is definitely technique, with endurance, cardio, and leg power as other big contributors.
@Jonpilo-uz1yf
@Jonpilo-uz1yf 2 ай бұрын
@@omenfoils On high-aspect foils, which is more required to pump bigger? The longer size, like a ha1180, or a smaller size, like a ha580?
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 2 ай бұрын
@@Jonpilo-uz1yf I guess it depends on how you define success with pumping. A smaller, faster foil will pump "further" provided you can get it up to speed and have the skill to maintain that speed with pumping. A bigger, slower foil is easier to keep up for a longer duration in time but generally takes more energy to travel the same distance. Does that answer your question?
@billynomates920
@billynomates920 2 ай бұрын
i understand that so well but at 48, if i wasn't a master by the second time i fell off, i'd be too tired to try again! 🤣
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 2 ай бұрын
haha, a good session of pumping definitely rivals any workout I've done for cardio destruction!
@xxxyyy4538
@xxxyyy4538 2 ай бұрын
approaching 50% success today 😀 tried to "pretend" to be a bit more relaxed on my bad side. let front foot feel happy foil stability. and have more flex in my knees did magic 🪄 . untying a knot 🪢 getting out of switch
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 2 ай бұрын
awesome, got to fake it to make it!
@dbeelee8564
@dbeelee8564 2 ай бұрын
I have never pump foiled, but I recognize the action from mogul skiing. Absorbing the top of moguls, pushing down the backside is how to stay in contact with the snow for control. Foot position relative to one's waist helps control speed. Feet forward up the mogul face decreases speed while feet back increaese speed down the backside. Done right, your feet are balanced below you at the very top of and the very bottom of the mogul. Gravity being felt most at the bottom point, this being the best time to slow your speed when skiing fast. Skiing being a sport where feeling lighter is a result. The lightest feeling being powder skiing where a floating feeling is prominent. In foiling, I can see the relationship between the pump and the angle of attact (relationship of foot height over the other).
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 2 ай бұрын
Very cool to hear about the relation to mogul skiing! I often think about the motions of skate skiing when pumping and I think the most efficient pumpers mirror the body mechanics of good skiiers with a powerful push and sustained light glide.
@MattMatijczyk
@MattMatijczyk 2 ай бұрын
Very helpful video thank you. Can you tell us about the wrist leash on your waist? Is it an actual leash? it looks like a piece of rope.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Matt! I prefer to leash the wing to my waist instead of my wrist since it allows me to move my arms more freely when I'm riding down wind. I also like that I can lie on my board and paddle it like a surfboard without having my wing tugging on my arm. Originally the leash had shock cord embedded but it's since worn out so is really just some UHMWPE line now with brummel splice at each end. On a related note, I still prefer an ankle leash for the board. I've found with both items leashed to your waist it's easy for them to get tangled and an ankle leash of the same length keeps the board a bit further from my head when I fall and I can use my leg to "pull" the board back to me when needed.
@davidbruton2435
@davidbruton2435 2 ай бұрын
Interesting video. In your exercise with the arrows, why isn't there a downward arrow above the stabilizer? Isn't that one of the primary purposes of the stabilizer? I guess it's possible for a stabilizer to have neutral lift (or even positive in the canard case). But, I think, most stabilizers have negative lift -- specifically to counterbalance the weight of the board that is in front of the main wing. Is that not true?
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 2 ай бұрын
This is very true David! I'm summing up the forces though for the sake of simplicity. The downward force of the stabilizer is relatively small compared to the lift from the front wing, but more importantly, there is a rotational moment created by both wings and drag from the system moving through the water. These are the forces that are counteracted by the downward force of the stabilizer acting on the centre of gravity of the system along the axis of travel by the length of the fuselage. Breaking down this stabilizing force into this counteracting moment, the downward component effectively reduces the total lifting force of the front wing but does not "move" the vector's horizontal position assuming the lift is aligned with the centre of gravity of the system. This is because the moment created from transposing the downward force from the stabilizer to the centre of mass is balanced by the other forces mentioned which would otherwise cause rotation. Sorry for the long answer to a simple question! I break down these forces more in our stabilizer video if you're interested in more.
@OscarTheProfessor
@OscarTheProfessor 3 ай бұрын
great video
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Oscar!
@alvarominor511
@alvarominor511 3 ай бұрын
WOW, GREAT TIPS Thank you. Would you mind sharing what wing leash you are using?
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Alva! When I use a board leash I've found the Kaohi double coil to be the least annoying option of everything I've tried. For wing leash I just use a larks head onto an old kite pigtail I attached to my makeshift waist harness. Sounds a bit janky but it actually works great!
@toobmes
@toobmes 3 ай бұрын
Great video. SMOOTH! So different from another YT video where the guy says to get your hips and weight way forward--did not work for me.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Toobmes, would love to get your feedback after you've had a couple sessions to try implementing the technique :)
@xxxyyy4538
@xxxyyy4538 3 ай бұрын
I love the challenge of foot switches and this video. perhaps that keeps me back 😅 "cheating" with short touchdown makes it very easy to "accidentally" shift weight forward due to slowdown... not good. also, in lighter conditions, you are free from chop but also, no support from wing🤷‍♂️ during "more wind", chop is increasing the difficulty... "you win some, you lose some ±". for mastering the gybe, you had to accept to give up the wing for supporting balance. for foot switch, you just have to ignore gravity 😅 at least, I think I have almost unlocked my "good side" for this dance 🕺 😅 now I just have to teach the other half of my body 😃
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
haha, very cool xxxyyy - sounds like the beginnings of a good zen poem!
@jackignatev
@jackignatev 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video! The most informational about mast placement!
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
thanks Jack!
@putzgrilla76
@putzgrilla76 3 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for this great video....i learned a lot
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
Thanks! Have you ever tried a skateboard on a pump track? I've actaully become a big believer that it's a "hack" for dialing in foil pumping body mechanics without having to deal with figuring out dock starts/boat tow ups.
@hobbyincantina3983
@hobbyincantina3983 3 ай бұрын
question how to check if I have 90 degree mast? fuselage is 90 degrees of mast or not? Can I put the board on a flat surface and check parallelism of fuselage? thanks
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
This can actually be difficult to confirm depending on your foil configuration since not all foils have a flat area on the fuse parallel to it's direction of travel. If you do have this flat spot it's very easy with a digital angle finder and flat ground to support your baseplate and set as 0 reference as you've indicated. If your fuselage has a completely organic shape with not flat spot you can still get a good idea by using a long straight edge/level and placing the angle finder on top. Once you zero it out on the flat ground then you can use your eye to align the straight edge with your best bet at your best approximation of "level flight" for the fuselage. This is certainly interesting to know, however, since different brands set their front wings at different angles relative to their fuselage setting this angle to zero with a baseplate shim can't necessarily be seen as a universal standard, however, in general I would say it is a great place to start and play around with adding or subtracting 1 degree to get your ideal "all around position". From there you could add or substract a shim for overpowered or underpowered conditions as suggested in the video. Hope this makes sense! Greg
@hobbyincantina3983
@hobbyincantina3983 3 ай бұрын
@@omenfoils thanks Greg very good hints
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
@@hobbyincantina3983 No problem, let me know how it goes!
@havanakiteboardingclub5290
@havanakiteboardingclub5290 3 ай бұрын
how it work between waves or very choppy water ? the video looks made in very easy conditions
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
Great question, I wish I had some more hectic footage to throw in because that is where I find this technique actually shines the most! Since you are staying low and compressed right until under wing power it really take the frustrating balance factor out of starting in bigger/messier swell.
@LexLissauer
@LexLissauer 27 күн бұрын
@@omenfoils That's what I like to hear. I live very close to the (North) sea, and far from the (gustier) flat water spots. But did not have the courage yet to enter the sea with my new 56L board. Now I'm inspired to try with side-on wind and small (< 3ft) waves.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 25 күн бұрын
@@LexLissauer let us know how it goes!
@LexLissauer
@LexLissauer 25 күн бұрын
@@omenfoils Could take a while. Winter is coming and I'm not very cold resistant, wearing a 6/4 when other people wear shorties. I'll be soon in a subtropical region for a month with choppy & gusty conditions and unpredictable winds (Fuerteventura). We'll see how it goes.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 23 күн бұрын
@@LexLissauer right on, I've heard great things about Fuerteventura. My cold tolerance is generally pretty good and I've been really loving my new O'Neill suit, stetchier and warmer than anything I've tried previously. The exception being my hands from too many brushes with frosbite on winter warfare exercises. Makes winging in colder conditions tough and painful at times, really hoping someone comes out with a waterproof heated ~1mm glove!
@JonFriesen-t8j
@JonFriesen-t8j 3 ай бұрын
Awesome tutorial Greg! I’m sorting this out with a buddy on my local lake before getting into bigger swell…it’s been a journey for sure! Driver speed consistency is super important, and it takes some practice time to get smooth. It’s been great practicing in easy conditions to nail these things down. Stoked for Chicama!
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
Definitely! Most of our boats were really underpowered so it was a major source of frustration for guys. I found the trick of staying close to the water super helpful, if you end up stalling the foil you can keep riding the board whereas if you're high a stall almost always means game over. Also, the extra efficiency from riding high is usually a good thing in foiling, but when towing it just means you glide further when the boat slows down and get more slack in the rope.
@Foiljourney
@Foiljourney 3 ай бұрын
Great vid Greg- and I love that it was at my favorite spot! On the pull up, I prefer the sink start- i actually view the skink start requiring less energy.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
Thanks! Such an amazing spot! I think you're right about the sink start taking even less energy than the wakesurf style, the reason I'd still recommend the wakesurf style to most is it's easier to learn and quicker to reset for those without a lot of experience since I think it takes less balance and finess. Once you dial in the process of sinking and standing on the board no doubt it's a great technique as well!
@Foiljourney
@Foiljourney 3 ай бұрын
@@omenfoils agreed. I find people just have to be patient with the sink start... a moment of calm. Rode your stuff once when Dave (Lift Journal) came down to Delray to wing with me one day. Super smooth and slick would be my best reaction.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
@@Foiljourney Nice, stoked you got a chance to try out the Operator! That's a good tip with the sink start, I'll spend some more time messing around with it the next time I'm behind a boat :)
@Foiljourney
@Foiljourney 3 ай бұрын
@@omenfoils I have a Jetski in case you are ever in South Florida
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
@@Foiljourney would love that, need to get down there at some point for sure! Maybe a road trip with youtube.com/@theliftjournal
@skatehills
@skatehills 3 ай бұрын
On the popup, the best way to think about it is if someone standing was to pull you up from sitting. You roll forward to make sure you each have to do the least work, same applies here. Roll forward at the right moment to reduce the pull. It should be near effortless if you do it right.
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
great point! I did this exact drill when teaching people kitesurfing and wakeboarding. Had them sit down on the ground with straight legs and then hold my arms and pull them up. Repeat again with bent legs and it's profound how much easier it is to get up. I found "teaching the body" like this a lot more effective than "teaching the mind". Wish I had included this in the video!
@IRWE905
@IRWE905 3 ай бұрын
If you are getting up behind a WaveRunner you will have alot of jet wash to contend with while you are crossing the wake to go to Toeside. Something worth practicing before you go out in the waves :)
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
Good call Irwe!
@ashdee-zz1ze
@ashdee-zz1ze 3 ай бұрын
Great video as always Greg!! I would add that if you have no choice but to use a higher volume board (in my case an Omen Flux 60) you can use an impact vest to give you a tiny bit of buoyancy for your torso as the board will float super high sideways in the start position and the extra buoyancy gives you time to line everything up (your feet will be above the waterline at first). You will also need to work out some hand signals with your driver as he/she won't be able to see you with the board in the way. Once up, even the Flux 60 is a total blast towing in!
@omenfoils
@omenfoils 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Ashley! At some point I should do a video of different tow up techniques for bigger boards but I'm kind of lacking in experience in that area so great to have comments like for folks looking for ideas on how to make their wingboards work!
@venomguysydney
@venomguysydney 3 ай бұрын
Great video, the tow start shown in this video can be one of the most taxing on you body though, suggest its worth the time to learn the deep water wake tow sinker board start , it is far easier in the long run. This is done by first being in a squatting position ontop of the sinker board before the tow begins. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipOkpaCGm5WemKssi=YllDlIaBIolQ-N1f