Can’t believe how quiet the roads are

Its quite difficult, when faced with the 'slower than speed limit' vehicle ahead, when you're being observed or examined from behind to take correct decisions. What I mean by that is, an advanced rider, you are expected to overtake such vehicles where safe to do so, if your speed doesn't exceed the speed limit doing so. . The rider correctly moved offside to have a look periodically. And decided against. You are aware (in your thought process), that the examiner will expect you to overtake, if safe.

You have posted a question but already answered it yourself. However I believe that trial riding is more beneficial than track days. It leads to better machine control and its all round capabilities. understanding that the best suited trial bike would not necessarily be a road suited bike.

Thank you for this clip. Super helpful not only to experienced riders but also new riders.

What car is this, please? Engine note sounds delightful 😍

Hi what settings you have on your camera? I have drift xl but struggling to with settings and wind

Didn't look back over the shoulder once. Even when it's explicitly required "before exiting a roundabout". It's called the Lifesaver Look for a reason.

traffic conditions in those days were not like today, more respect by other road users had gone.

Substantially safer than the driving you see from police these days.

Great review, thank you. How do you find the size in comparison to the size chart provided by Helite on their website. Im looking at getting one of these, but the nearest supplier is miles away from where i live, so it's difficult for me to try before buying.I'vee read a lot of customer reviews who recommend buying a slightly smaller size than the size chart indicates. The Helite size chart indicates i should be a XL L

mick is a great guy

Amazing how few people pull over.

He's not offsiding, he's occasionally riding on the other side of the road for no apparent reason and straightening out a few bends. Not offsiding.

What appears at first sight to be a straight forward overtake is actually fraught with dangers to oneself and to others. First we are on a 50/60 mph road and there are double white lines which indicate that we cannot overtake at all. Whilst in that situation the rider pulls even closer to the car in front. So much so that at the speeds being done he is only maybe 60 ft. or less behind said car. We don't know when the no overtaking lines stop so should we be so close to that car? I think not. We have placed ourselves into a tailgating position a where at 50 or 60 mph we cannot stop in that short a distance so that's one problem Now the lines stop and we can overtake and we immediately move out and overtake. If we stop the video when we are parallel to that car at 27 seconds and we are safely negotiating an overtake at say being some 10 mph faster than that car then at 29 seconds we have returned to our lane and are now in front of it. Ok but in that 2 seconds at being 10 mph faster we have only move some 30 ft away from the front of that vehicle and so by returning early we are now cutting him up and possibly causing the driver some concern and he is now tailgating us. As a result of our pulling in on him he would have to slow to gain a safe stopping distance behind us. The H.C. doe say that we should return as soon as we can and when it is safe to do so. However, it does say that we should never cause other drivers to slow, brake or move position by our actions and in this case it could be construed as an offence because that is an offence in law and more importantly dangerous. There was an open road a head of us so there was no reason to pull in as we saw. We could have e continued on the offside of the road and have pulled in later, giving no cause for concern to anyone else. How often do we see other vehicle overtaking us and just pulling in with little co0ncern for the distance they give us. I have heard some drivers say that they always drive safely and give the give the 2 second rule but that obviously doesn't apply after an overtake. 2 seconds is not enough and maybe we should be giving ourselves and others much more safe space to return into. Overtakes are fraught with enough problems as it is. With dangers, some we see and others we apparently don't or we see and dismiss. Many an overtake has been made when we really don't have enough safe space to return into, that space being too small a space or during our overtake has now been taken up by other vehicles, leaving us out their and in danger. Just maybe overtakes would be safer if we decided not to overtake as there is insufficient room to pull back into. Think about it. Its you life you are putting out there, on the line.

Are only checking mirrors ok when reducing speed for test? I thought it was mirrors then lifesaver checks then reduce speed? Thanks

I know that this is an old video but it reminds me of what some advanced riders, be they police of civvies do nowaday's. Overtake everything in sight regardless of a NEED to to do. A police officer may at times need to drive or ride faster than normal for reasons and nature of his employment but a civvie doesn't have that same NEED and so they should show more discretion before entering into many a needless overtake that could end u in a fatality.. His.

Just after 1.00 you made your first overtake and at 1.08 were side on with the white car. At1.10 just 2 seconds later you had returned to your lane and obviously now in front of that car. In that 2 seconds being say 10mph faster than it you would have returned to be only some 30 ft in front of it. Would that distance be considered to be safe for you or the now Tailgating white car. I don't think so. That manoeuvre could or might have caused the car driver to slow and that means that you caused him to slow and that's an offence and also dangerous.

If I went over the centerline, without turn signal, twice, as he did, it would be "game over" for my exam.

On my RoSPA 4-wheel course I was told that we pay our road tax so we can use as much of the road - both sides if we wish - whenever it is safe to do so. Which I do!

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EXCELLENT! Thank you for sharing. Really helpful indeed!

At 3.00 plus he was riding on or over the centre line. There were parked cars to his nearside and he had previously given a doors width for safety. However there was other traffic oncoming at what 25 or maybe again 30 mph. His spacing to the parked vehicles appears to be the same at some 3.ft or so but at time he was over the mid line and only some 2 ft away from those oncoming vehicles. So even if he was doing only 25 mph a collision with any of those oncoming cars would have been at a combined speed of some 50mph or more as opposed to a collision with the opening door of a parked car only being some 25mph. As one could see into the saloon of those parked vehicle it was obvious that there was no driver so there was little chance of a door opening or indeed of a car setting off. As a result perhaps he could have reduced the space given to his nearside and that would have increased his safe space to the oncoming traffic. Just a thought.

If it is so dangerous then don't do it. Yes the police have to travel at higher speeds and so may need to wrong side at the higher speeds that they may be doing. We as civilians have no need to travel at those speeds and so its not relevant to our way of riding. If one cant see well ahead at the speeds that we can lawfully and its therefore dangerous then we don't need to ride over or across the line. All we need to do is just slow a little and one will retain the safety and vision that one wants. As said SAFETY wins over VISION every time and all the time. One should never ever sacrifice Safety for the sake of any other consideration. Police rule number one. Most police riding is for general duties and as such there is no need for police officers to travel at the speed limit or over it but to do the same speed as the general population using that road at that time. By following others at their speeds he has No Need to overtake anything and everything as some advanced riders would advise and indeed show on their videos. Most lives are lost on overtakes than on any other manoeuvre. That also means that under general riding considerations and at lawful speeds he has no need to wrong side. We are not police officers riding to an emergency at excessively high speeds so we don't NEED or HAVE to wrong side.

Nice and clean steady ride. I noticed that this was a rider for or with the fire brigade and so would consider his ride to be like a police officer or paramedic and be ridding like them as a blue light rider. Therefore at time would be required to exceed the speed limit. Would training with RoSPA allow speeding etc. for such training or assessments as whats he was doing, presumably at high speeds sometimes maybe in excess of the legal speed limit was a lot of wrong siding presumably to improve his forward vision at higher speeds. This as all well and good for an emergency rider where he would be required to be somewhere fast but ordinary civilians would not need to ride as fast as he did and surely therefore would not be required to ride on the wrong side of the road. Am I right in thinking that ordinary civilians should always ride within the normal speed limits and not to wrong side if one has a sufficiently viable vision of the road ahead. One that would be sufficient at normal NSL speeds.

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Excellent video I have my bike test tomorrow in Chester so I'm quite nervous now..... I drive articulated lorries everyday but somehow bikes seem harder 😂.

Why does the driver give no commentary?

I too wear a Helite, both the tethered version and the new electronic one. Like most people, we all move to products when we experience a crash or witness one. I reviewed both vests for Web Bike World and am currently testing the Alpinestars TechAir 3 and 5 vests. I state in my reviews that if you were/are/soon to be a law enforcement officer and the department did not require you to wear a second chance bulletproof vest, would you? I know the answer.

Like he really rides like that. Some IAM instructors are good but mine ripped her helmet off, stormed over to me and said "If you want to kill yourself, that is fine, but I don't want to kill myself" The next week I got the top instructor who could actually ride.

On looking closely I see that there is a lot of riding being done on, over or close to the mid line. At the speeds that we can only do on our country roads nowadays its not necessary to place ourselves in that insidious position particularly on left hand bends. Being so far over and on sometimes the wrong side of the road is a position that a serving police officer might or would take for increased forward vision whilst travelling at higher speeds than we can do and in order to perform his required duties. We are not police officers. Its not for us civilians to follow those lines as its not required of us and not necessary. The more recent Roadcrafts from 2013 now advise us civilians to ride no more than position 3 which is about the offside wheel track of a car and not to get too close any more to the centre line or to the old inside position number 1. That being close to the kerb or verges. When it comes to wrong siding then some training organisations no longer tolerate it but others, that have not kept up with the changes in Roadcraft will still go on teaching it though its no longer considered essential, necessary or safe for civilian needs.

At 2.04 he moved up into the overtaking position which when instructed appears to be about 1 second behind the vehicle ahead in preparation for an anticipated overtake. Roadcraft have always maintained that one should at all times be the safer following on distance and if we look at the safe stopping distances in the H.C and in Roadcraft that appears to be a 'minimum of 2 seconds' behind.,,. So say if doing 50 mph we are travelling at approx 75ft per second and if giving 2 seconds at less we should be about 150 ft behind or more. The H.C. recommends a distance of just over 2 second and that distance is 175 ft. So perhaps we should be following that advice and keeping greater distance? At 2.04 the rider moves up to being that one second or at say 50 mph 75 ft behind the car in front If he was doing only 40 mph then that safe following position would be about 120 ft but is we look closer he is in reality very much closer then even that. Being so close there is no way that he can guarantee stopping in that shorter distance, should that or those vehicles in front come to a standstill or emergency brake unexpectedly. So in fact he is now Tailgating and that is not only very dangerous position to place oneself in but is an offence of riding without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration. S. 3 RTA 1960. In fact he should not have placed himself there in the first place and he remained there for at least one minute and almost if not one mile in distance. Just prior to him moving into that position or at the same time as he did there was a red warning triangle warning him of a distance of bends. In fact he followed on at that much closer overtaking position of only being 1 second behind a car through anther such sign further along. So for a mile he had been warned of multiple bends and under normal riding circumstances with no pressure to overtake one should have held back and retained the further away following on distance. Finally, after following others for at least one minute he decided to overtake but if we look at the video closely we already know there was another car in front so he made a decision to perhaps overtake both cars. Then when on the other side of the road and just about to pass the first car we can see in the distance another car coming from the other direction. The video is stopped at that juncture and we don't see what exactly happened but either he sees the oncoming car and decides to swerve in after the first overtake and cut up the car he has just passed and tailgate to be the sandwich in between the bread or he continues and only just makes the double overtake, just in time to swerve in and in time to avoid the oncoming car, [perhaps causing that oncoming driver and the driver of the second car, the redone some concern in doing so? We will never know.

Good presentation and comments but I do think that your safety bubble ie the distance that you gave to that car in front was a little suspect. The roads were a mix of 30 and 60 mph and yet there was very little difference if any to your safe stopping distance behind it, and perhaps not in accord with according the the H. C. or the DVSA on safe stopping distances. One must admit that some riders believe that one can stop in less distance than those recommended but a lot of collisions do result because of that belief or rather miss belief. At one point you were continuing at say 30 mph in a 30 limited area with a junction on your nearside and a car waiting to enter At 30 mph your distance travelled per sec would be 44ft. or 88 ft in 2 seconds. As you said time is necessary and time equals space and both time and space are our friends. . Not just that, with space comes vision, increased vision as we no longer have an obstacle to our vision ie. the car in front obstructing our vision of the road ahead and of junctions but more importantly of the car driver at the junction and of their improved vision of us approaching that junction. With greater space we no longer need to look for another safety route should something un towards happen. Safe space is our safety. If we are too close to the vehicle in front and we brake hard but realise that we are unable to stop in time before colliding with that vehicle we may swerve to our nearside but in most cases being already in the offside position we may swerve to the offside and then into the path of any oncoming vehicle and that is deadly. Safe space is a must and although one may know from training and practise that one can actually brake in less distance than those distances in the H.C or by the DVSA when it comes down to being potentially involved in a incident. Lets face it our mind could be and sometimes is all over the place and serious time and safe distance is lost before we can make a move toward any braking. Time an distance are our friends.

"Offsiding" was part of the Police Standard Car course with the Kent Police Service, I did in 2001..."View" is secondary to "Safe" position in the face of oncoming traffic, especially on a motorcycle. Everything I have learned in the last twenty years, tells me that the biggest protection a biker can have, (Apart from, "Ride at a speed where you can stop in within the distance ahead, you can see to be clear.") is "Movement" across the carriageway on approach to another road user presenting a hazard. This is principally because, the human eye responds most of all, to movement. Interesting video, thanks for posting.

Just seen this following on from watching a gold standard test ride. Great to see the thought process involved in an examiner. Given me a good few pointers on making progress. Thanks

seems weird he didnt do a single shoulder check

I passed my Police Advanced Driving course in 1998, and you are quite right on the difference between then and now. I'm still a traffic cop now, but there is very little emphasis on progress now, and everything massively errs on the side of caution and safety now. This is not necessarily a bad thing, of course, but Police Advanced Driving now is a different beast to back in the day.

Nice and clearly explained (lots of people on KZbin simply irritate me with their "erms" and lip smacks before talking) I'm not sure many would pick up on this but I like how you briefly pause when you're focusing on a hazard, as I do.

That was an awesome run! Really good to watch especially round good old Chelmsford.

his cornering needs some work, dangerous riding the white line all the way around, no scope for era.

In early & mid 80's I taught self to drive fairly briskly, (cough cough) in RWD & FWD offerings of choice. By 20 I was (allegedly) flying Land Rovers (R.A.F.P.) on blues/twos. Did I.A.M. (with old school triple class 1 observer). I moved to a Home office force in early 90's. Most service on response, (had a break in custody). Pursuit trained, familiar with meaningful progress & off-siding etc...... I retired 2 years ago . I can personally relate to the sort of progress in that vid. Perhaps a bit more dial back encouraged in more recent years...albeit I would have been fairly happy as driver &/or passenger on near all of that shared run. I found this channel on back of looking at total website..... FFWD to this year I passed my DAS & bought my 1st bike. a Hornet 600S ...treating it with respect as no rider aids (been practicing emergency stops in wet & dry plus cadence braking on damp grass). I regularly practice slow speed control as well as working on road riding, I value self preservation & my license. Very aware of my riding time (& need to keep developing muscle memory !!), relative to vastly greater driving experience. Unlikely I will ever be as competent on a bike as with 4-wheels (confident dealing with a car sideways in wet & dry)....but making real effort to be a safe competent & thinking rider, (gradual but meaningful steps). Thank You

Nice to see a K1200GT.. (There's another sitting in my garage.)

DO YOU WEARING THIS VEST OVER LEATHER SUIT ?

Sounds like a Volvo 850

Nice position you have, you make it look so easy well done

They arent even on the right side of the road

I’m going to buy one. I’ve been watching videos about Helite vests. Yours is good, too.

Nice footage. 3.55 old police terminology there, de - restricted zone??, that's very confusing, 'national speed limit' zone surely. Good commentary.

Lovely ride around Braintree

Very interesting thoughts Mick - risk assessing position for a right-hand bend where there is a blind junction is so essential (and challenging), a vital part of the assessment must be safety, and, perhaps that essential skill of balancing dangers. Nice to see the Busa out too

Cheers for sharing Mick and always good to hear your commentary. Also great to see you out on the Busa, have you booked yourself in for a ride on the new one or could yours never be bettered?!?