@@Italianelectric this is definitely warmer than an atom. Atoms being thiner and a little more breathable make a better mid layer for active wear, similar to the rab xen air. Hope this helps.

@@KINGNEF cirrus ultra from me. The tilt lining makes it warmer quicker while it packs up smaller

@@LightSaber12345 direct test hasn't been done. Although this the electron probably is , however the cirrus ultra is better in the damp environments

@@archieatkins3022 sorry I don't as haven't used them. Sure they will be great

@@OutsideHathersage okay, thank you! How has your coat held up as I think it's the same material and dwr finish.

@@argentmastermindm5935 hi! Thank you 😊

@@MsDenver2 I prefer 1 pair of well fitted thick socks but most important is to have space to wiggle your toes. Moving them is key to blood flow and dry air space around the toes is insulating. As long as not too movement else where in the boot. Hope this helps

It’s not easy , certainly a good start is a good pair of boots, I favour the German Hagwan with gortex , but there are many other good boots these days. Next I use a Marino base layer socks with the separate toes , these help keep your feet warm as the separate toes hold more heat in and your toes can move more freely. Then a thicker pair of Marino socks not separated toes for these , can I just say that I like 100% Marino for base socks and 87% for the thick socks. Good maintenance of boots is vital , spare socks and separate foot wear for sleeping if your camping. On my motorcycle I have heated socks gloves and base top , these can easily be used off the bike for hiking extremes. This is what I’ve never understood about climbers who have frost bite ? Why don’t they use heated socks and gloves etc . Yes they would have to carry batteries but the extra weight can be mitigated by using other much lighter gear? Well you could go on , of course the heated gear I’m talking about was not available just a few years ago but now it is ?

@@gluv999 no I don't think you should size down. Large would be the better for me and I normally am a large. Pretty sure I came with a stuff sack but usually prefer a dry bag

@@B3N_0 it's a mega torch

@@jimf671 they are not cheap that's for sure. Solid though!

I wonder what the red rebel is…

Where did the rebel break?

@ Just above handle where it changes to the shaft.

@@rabmcleod3508thanks

@@p.richter9592 we do! We mainly have gear and no money!!

@ So would I if I worked there 😂🫶🏻🇳🇴

@@ianmartin1947 thank.you

@@petercollins7848 thank you 😊

@@JustinLeafweaver fairly similar in pack size but the ultra is a lot warmer

@@MsDenver2 hiya, we do a few German brands. If adding an extra pair of socks you may need half a size higher, but as always we would recommend coming to try. If you measure your boot like in the video while wearing the socks we and let me know in cm I could make a guess at your size. We still recommend coming in for a full trial

@@robbiemayhew certain feels fully windproof and I would it is definitely more of a belay jacket than a layering piece. I used in in scottish winters quite a lot and so impressed with it's warmth to weight ratio.

@@jonuiuc the xenair is the most breathable and best for leaving on while moving. It will keep most of the wind out but not all. The cirrus ultra is warmer than the nebula and feel more packable. Both the cirrus and nebula are very windproof and warm, some wind may get through the stitching holes but will protect from the weather more than the xenair. Hope this helps

@@OutsideHathersage Thanks this is great info.

@jonuiuc your welcome 🙏

@@phil1953 buffalo is great and works well. Twice the weight of an Oreus however very different products. If you do need anything new the is Oreus would be a good replacement for the Microlight as lighter, warmer and better in the damp. However, only if needed! Keep gear going! 👍

@@andrewstorm8240 they certainly are, do you want me to link you a few studies?

@@sebastianflynn1746 please do

@@Pachosk they have many athletes and testers taking gear up to 8000m, maybe not this jacket but they have plenty of others!

@@jimfisher7727 hi Jim 👋, glad you're happy with your kit. I have used the Oreus (a long with many others) in scottish winters and been very pleased with how warm it is. I think I would be close to being as warm as the generator alpine but not as robust as the face fabric is thinner. But the pack size and weight is far better, so prefer it. Also I rarely climb in my belay jacket so don't need it mega tough. Hope this helps !

It does indeed appreciate the reply, definitely food for thought! ​@@OutsideHathersage

@@owengee7415 not really, totally under stand it's limitations. If I ever end up climbing in it I would take care but nearly always only wear it for belaying. Obviously the Fitzroy is more durable but heavier. On the big peaks the atheles have worn it under shells at certain times when really cold. Hope this helps.

@@cbgny23 1. I will get back to you! 2. No other colours due for at least a year 3. Again, no for at least a year but they make a vest without a hood. 4. Not yet, altough I think they will expand the use of Aetherm as they are so pleased with it

@@DukeandDrummond very valid point and we all need to think about our consumption. It's not perfect but this jacket is nearly all made of recycled materials

On the other hand, a lot of people are allergic to down (even if they don’t know it sometimes) which reduces the reasonable options.

For Eco-friendliness, I'd rather be asking about durability of the insulation. From the past for example Primaloft Gold was an example of a great insulation that lost its properties rather quickly.

This is over simplified and takes an alarmist approach to microplastics, at the moment we don't have a clear understanding of the health and environmental impacts of microplastics. An equally valid argument could be made against any animal products such as down and wool due to the environmental impact the animals have, depending on how you calculate the fibres impact you cna come to whatever conclusion is most convenient for your argument. There is also plenty of research and products already out using bio derived and bio degradable polymers. Don't write anything off, and to be frank, try not to have too strong of an opinion in this area, if you do have one most likely misinformed to some extent. At the moment the research is still in its infancy and needs more time to give any clear answers.

There is also the issue of animal welfare. While down is durable and «natural», it requires animal exploitation. Live plucking and traceability is still a challenge. Future technology will hopefully solve the problems related to oil dependence and microplastics.

@@AngelGiannakos wow! Very interesting question. Honestly don't know the anwser so I'll get back to you.

@@nicholasgalpin6711 yes I sized up, they come up small if wearing over a shell. I'm using xl yet all my other clothes are large. I hope this helps

@@OutsideHathersage thanks for the swift response!

@@p.richter9592 thanks so.much for you comment. The Oreus is pretty much the best in class for your needs. The best warmth to weight ratio synthetic jacket I've used.

@@OutsideHathersage Great! Thanks. I really think I have to check out the Oreus 👍🏻👍🏻🇳🇴

Yes, that would be very interesting to know.

@@argentmastermindm5935 funny you ask about these jackets as I have tested them all. Das light is the lightest and packs smallest, Oreus is definitely warmer for a little extra weight. Nuclei is very similar yet without the metallic element of the aetherm. So once again Oreus feels warmer and warmer quicker. The cirrus ultra is nearly 200g (35%) heavier and possibly a little warmer, however it's not 35% warmer than the Oreus for sure. The cirrus ultra has more pockets etc, also has stitched through baffles so has potential to let in some wind. The Oreus feels more like something you would take no matter what as so light and protective. The Cirrus feels less like a belay jacket but maybe cosier sat on a campsite etc due to the extra size. As the oreus is thinner it could be used under a shell if needed where as the extra bulk of the cirrus ultra means that would be hard to do. Hope this helps, maybe a comparison video is needed! Come and try them all on!!

@@OutsideHathersage thanks so much for this thorough answer! A comparison video which showcases best use scenarios would be much appreciated🤩 Love your videos! Greetings from 🇳🇴

@@argentmastermindm5935 will try and find time to sort this 👍

@@OutsideHathersage Do you know if ME intends to use this new insulation in a wider range of products, something a bit beefier like the Fitzroy?