Absolutely brilliant video, particularly the lacing options. I have used an alternative lacing system for years and have never had a problem with my boots.
@OutsideHathersage7 сағат бұрын
@@petercollins7848 thank you 😊
@JamesFromCanada17 сағат бұрын
Excellent video! I am similar size to you - you prefer carry comfort of Exos Pro 55 or this? Will be loading with aprox 10-15k hike and fly gear - some trail running with lighter loads, some overnights, some flying etc. Exos Pro seems to have better comfort, Muon better agility? Thanks!
@2rde4rcКүн бұрын
Great review! This might be what pushes me over the edge to buy this bag.
@JustinLeafweaver4 күн бұрын
Which packs down smaller? Cirrus Alpine Insulated Jacket or the Cirrus Ultra?
@eyalf12458 күн бұрын
Looks really good choice for rock climbing! And have good features! Will consider this jacket 😁
@eyalf12458 күн бұрын
Hello! I have another question about the jacket. How the size works. i can put under this a down jacket when i in camp, or i need to go little a bit to high size like L? My size is m, and it's looks less roomy space for thick liers, more like a performance that support you when you are climbing and more And the water resistant comparison to gore tex, its looks really solid but i can't find video explaining about the material? Thanks a lot!
@MsDenver28 күн бұрын
Hi , I live in Wolverhampton, do you stock all the German boots and should I have a size bigger as I like to wear two pairs of socks?
@OutsideHathersage8 күн бұрын
@@MsDenver2 hiya, we do a few German brands. If adding an extra pair of socks you may need half a size higher, but as always we would recommend coming to try. If you measure your boot like in the video while wearing the socks we and let me know in cm I could make a guess at your size. We still recommend coming in for a full trial
@robbiemayhew9 күн бұрын
Great review! Is the shell fabric completely windproof? Looking for this to be a belay jacket, as opposed to a breathable insulation piece. Cheers!
@OutsideHathersage9 күн бұрын
@@robbiemayhew certain feels fully windproof and I would it is definitely more of a belay jacket than a layering piece. I used in in scottish winters quite a lot and so impressed with it's warmth to weight ratio.
@dcentral10 күн бұрын
The only problem with even the most advanced synthetics today is their short lifespan. A DWR coated down will last you 15+ years while synthetic jacket starts to degrade and loses insulating property within 3 years, sometimes earlier depending on use.
@jonuiuc10 күн бұрын
I've got a nebula pro and was looking at this one and the xenair trying to determine if they were sufficiently different. The nebula is about the same weight, the xenair is probably more breathable. I wonder which ones do best with keeping the heat in against strong wind or in the wet.
@OutsideHathersage10 күн бұрын
@@jonuiuc the xenair is the most breathable and best for living on while moving. It will keep most of the wind out but not all. The cirrus ultra is warmer than the nebula and feel more packable. Both the cirrus and nebula are very windproof and warm, some wind may get through the stitching holes but will protect from the weather more than the xenair. Hope this helps
@phil195311 күн бұрын
I use Buffalo kit have done for 25 odd years has never let me down and saves the need for too many extra layersI normally just pack a wee Rab Microlight Down jkt to throw on when I stop for the eve under shelter,Buffalo you either love or hate,bit outdated but does what it says on the tin so to speak
@OutsideHathersage10 күн бұрын
@@phil1953 buffalo is great and works well. Twice the weight of an Oreus however very different products. If you do need anything new the is Oreus would be a good replacement for the Microlight as lighter, warmer and better in the damp. However, only if needed! Keep gear going! 👍
@andrewstorm824011 күн бұрын
Microplastics aren’t a thing
@sebastianflynn174610 күн бұрын
@@andrewstorm8240 they certainly are, do you want me to link you a few studies?
@andrewstorm824010 күн бұрын
@@sebastianflynn1746 please do
@Pachosk12 күн бұрын
Very nice jacket. Unfortunately i have trusting issues with brand, that are testing their models in UK mountain conditions. On the other side, Salewa or Mammut are testing all of their products in hard environment such as peaks that are higher then 3000 m.
@OutsideHathersage12 күн бұрын
@@Pachosk they have many athletes and testers taking gear up to 8000m, maybe not this jacket but they have plenty of others!
@jimfisher772712 күн бұрын
Hi James met you a couple of times in store at Hathersage and always give good advice about what I was after (Tupilak bottoms last time!) I have a Rab generator for winter belays for places like Cairngorms etc, would you say this would suffice for a cold windy Cairngorms day with it being lighter and less bulky? I do love the alpine generator but it is bulky
@OutsideHathersage12 күн бұрын
@@jimfisher7727 hi Jim 👋, glad you're happy with your kit. I have used the Oreus (a long with many others) in scottish winters and been very pleased with how warm it is. I think I would be close to being as warm as the generator alpine but not as robust as the face fabric is thinner. But the pack size and weight is far better, so prefer it. Also I rarely climb in my belay jacket so don't need it mega tough. Hope this helps !
@jimfisher772711 күн бұрын
It does indeed appreciate the reply, definitely food for thought! @@OutsideHathersage
@owengee741512 күн бұрын
For a winter belay jacket does the 10d face concern you at all?
@OutsideHathersage11 күн бұрын
@@owengee7415 not really, totally under stand it's limitations. If I ever end up climbing in it I would take care but nearly always only wear it for belaying. Obviously the Fitzroy is more durable but heavier. On the big peaks the atheles have worn it under shells at certain times when really cold. Hope this helps.
@cbgny2312 күн бұрын
A few questions come to mind: 1. How many grams of Aetherm does ME use in the Oreus? 2. Will they offer the Oreus in any other (brighter / better) colors? 3. Will they ever release the Oreus in a non-hooded version? 4. Are there any Oreus pants on the horizon? Thank you!
@OutsideHathersage12 күн бұрын
@@cbgny23 1. I will get back to you! 2. No other colours due for at least a year 3. Again, no for at least a year but they make a vest without a hood. 4. Not yet, altough I think they will expand the use of Aetherm as they are so pleased with it
@DukeandDrummond12 күн бұрын
Can't escape the fact synthetic insulation introduces more microplastics into the environment. They are also not a renewable source like natural insulation we get from animals (wool, down feathers etc) but made from oil. As people who use and enjoy the outdoors consumers have a degree of responsibility. Don't get me wrong I still have gear with synthetic insulation (and use it) but more and more I find myself opting away from it for these reasons.
@OutsideHathersage12 күн бұрын
@@DukeandDrummond very valid point and we all need to think about our consumption. It's not perfect but this jacket is nearly all made of recycled materials
@quonston12 күн бұрын
On the other hand, a lot of people are allergic to down (even if they don’t know it sometimes) which reduces the reasonable options.
@m.topfer12 күн бұрын
For Eco-friendliness, I'd rather be asking about durability of the insulation. From the past for example Primaloft Gold was an example of a great insulation that lost its properties rather quickly.
@sebastianflynn174612 күн бұрын
This is over simplified and takes an alarmist approach to microplastics, at the moment we don't have a clear understanding of the health and environmental impacts of microplastics. An equally valid argument could be made against any animal products such as down and wool due to the environmental impact the animals have, depending on how you calculate the fibres impact you cna come to whatever conclusion is most convenient for your argument. There is also plenty of research and products already out using bio derived and bio degradable polymers. Don't write anything off, and to be frank, try not to have too strong of an opinion in this area, if you do have one most likely misinformed to some extent. At the moment the research is still in its infancy and needs more time to give any clear answers.
@henrikvlied12 күн бұрын
There is also the issue of animal welfare. While down is durable and «natural», it requires animal exploitation. Live plucking and traceability is still a challenge. Future technology will hopefully solve the problems related to oil dependence and microplastics.
@AngelGiannakos12 күн бұрын
Has any testing been done regardind how the TILT lining affects the accuracy of avalanche transceivers?
@AngelGiannakos12 күн бұрын
Has any testing been done regarding how those metallic elements within the insulating material interact with avalanche transceivers? There seems to be a pattern with brands like ME and Rab adding them to their jackets and they seem ro do a great job with heat retention but I've been wondering gow they affect the accuracy of such devices
@OutsideHathersage12 күн бұрын
@@AngelGiannakos wow! Very interesting question. Honestly don't know the anwser so I'll get back to you.
@nicholasgalpin671112 күн бұрын
James, as you said you did use it as a belay jacket, did you size up or stick to the same size as the shell it went over?
@OutsideHathersage12 күн бұрын
@@nicholasgalpin6711 yes I sized up, they come up small if wearing over a shell. I'm using xl yet all my other clothes are large. I hope this helps
@nicholasgalpin671112 күн бұрын
@@OutsideHathersage thanks for the swift response!
@p.richter959212 күн бұрын
Love your reviews. Always something to learn. I’m considering the Oreus jacket as a jacket for breaks, for emergencies when I can’t get off the mountain, and possibly have to spend the night in my bothy bag. And of course if I get a little chilly. Now I already have a few synthetic jackets, (equipment has a tendency to accumulate over the years). However, I’m always looking for smaller and lighter, but also warmer options. Yeah, I know I’m a gear junky, but I’m usually on my own in the mountains, and have no one to depend on, except myself and my equipment. Not getting any younger either, so every breakthrough in equipment helps. Do you think the Oreus jacket would fit the bill? ATB from Norway 🇳🇴
@OutsideHathersage12 күн бұрын
@@p.richter9592 thanks so.much for you comment. The Oreus is pretty much the best in class for your needs. The best warmth to weight ratio synthetic jacket I've used.
@p.richter959212 күн бұрын
@@OutsideHathersage Great! Thanks. I really think I have to check out the Oreus 👍🏻👍🏻🇳🇴
@argentmastermindm593513 күн бұрын
So how does this compare to the Rab Cirrus Ultra? Which is the more versatile? Or the Arcteryx Nuclei FL or Pategonia DAS Light?
@p.richter959212 күн бұрын
Yes, that would be very interesting to know.
@OutsideHathersage12 күн бұрын
@@argentmastermindm5935 funny you ask about these jackets as I have tested them all. Das light is the lightest and packs smallest, Oreus is definitely warmer for a little extra weight. Nuclei is very similar yet without the metallic element of the aetherm. So once again Oreus feels warmer and warmer quicker. The cirrus ultra is nearly 200g (35%) heavier and possibly a little warmer, however it's not 35% warmer than the Oreus for sure. The cirrus ultra has more pockets etc, also has stitched through baffles so has potential to let in some wind. The Oreus feels more like something you would take no matter what as so light and protective. The Cirrus feels less like a belay jacket but maybe cosier sat on a campsite etc due to the extra size. As the oreus is thinner it could be used under a shell if needed where as the extra bulk of the cirrus ultra means that would be hard to do. Hope this helps, maybe a comparison video is needed! Come and try them all on!!
@argentmastermindm593512 күн бұрын
@@OutsideHathersage thanks so much for this thorough answer! A comparison video which showcases best use scenarios would be much appreciated🤩 Love your videos! Greetings from 🇳🇴
@OutsideHathersage12 күн бұрын
@@argentmastermindm5935 will try and find time to sort this 👍
@malcatron12 күн бұрын
@@OutsideHathersage Do you know if ME intends to use this new insulation in a wider range of products, something a bit beefier like the Fitzroy?
@NehemiahMontague-r9o13 күн бұрын
Buck Stream
@JaneUna-m6h13 күн бұрын
Friesen Corners
@tiddybearkush16 күн бұрын
Comment section: 99% Trapezoidal 1% bag in the video
@alamer250317 күн бұрын
Fits very well. Light in XL. Hood is second to none. Wear it in -20,28. Works perfectly but nevertheless there are some very insignificant tiny cold spots. Back of the shoulders closer to neck and the area around elbows. Maybe it's just only my perceptions. Good review.
@TimothyHall-k1u18 күн бұрын
Parker Ridge
@comounrayo20 күн бұрын
When people talks about the disadvantages of down, why nobody mentions the fact that animals have to die for it to be produced? Choose synthetic o admit you hate animals.
@duca50312 күн бұрын
I love animals, they’re delicious
@dcentral10 күн бұрын
Nobody is killing🪿 for your jackets, it would be insanely expensive. Geese are killed for food in Asian markets where foul is primary source of meats. Down clothing is made from geese used for consumption. Whether you wear a down jacket or not, people will continue to eat meats they ate for thousand years.
@BarbMccullough-c9r21 күн бұрын
Frami Creek
@Globetrotter-122 күн бұрын
Nothing beats duck and goose down. The waterproof breathable down jackets are perfect and beat synthetics in every condition.
@rcole13419 күн бұрын
To be specific, nothing beats down when it comes to it's warmth to weight ratio. Outside of that though, it's not so simple as it varies alot depending on what you are doing and where you are doing it.
@Globetrotter-118 күн бұрын
@@rcole134 I use down clothing for everything, including my sleeping bags. My Rab Batura goose down expedition jacket, for example, is ultra-warm and totally waterproof during heavy storms of rain, sleet, snow or gales in the mountains or winter in the forests. During severe cold & storms I'll add Mountain Equipment Expedition goose down pants. It I'm mainly static for prolonged periods I'll change my Scarpa Manta boots for Rab Expedition Goose down boots, fitted inside Outdoor Research Brooks Rangers Gore-Tex overboots. For more active use while trekking or climbing, I'll pack a North Face Summit Guide Gore-Tex jacket and Mountain Equipment Senja down jacket. For winter sleeping, I use a Rab 1100 down -25C sleeping bag if in a car or tent/bivvy. If I'm sleeping on top of an exposed mountain in winter with no bivvy or tent, then I'll use a Mountain Hardwear Ghost SL -40C/-40f 800 goose down waterproof sleeping bag.
@thrash123ful17 күн бұрын
Hmmm that a first i've heard that down is water proof.I have both for for longevity and getting wet Synthetic is the way to go.
@Globetrotter-117 күн бұрын
@@thrash123ful A synthetic is NOT waterproof 😂 (Unless it's a fully plastic Mac that is totally unbreathable and a sweat box). A synthetic material needs a waterproof membrane underneath the outer layer (such as Gore-Tex/sympatex etc) and then a DWR coating on the outer layer to make the water droplets 'bead'. Modern goose and duck down is also treated in a water repellent process to prevent it from absorbing water, and then the outer shell is given a waterproof & breathable membrane (such as Pertex Shield) plus an outer DWR coating. My goose down jacket 🧥 and goose down sleeping bag are both breathable and totally waterproof.
@thrash123ful17 күн бұрын
@@Globetrotter-1 All those DWR treatments are not water proof but water resistant and are temporary after a little time it wears off. Its not the down thats weather resistant its the DWR.If one was to get wet the Synthetic would dry much faster.Both have pluses and negatives depending on what you want.
@hendrixinfinity399222 күн бұрын
Hydrophobic down negates almost all of the points against down in this video. I've faced torrential rain conditions and tarp failures this year and haven't needed to reproof my down sleeping bag since its still lofting. my jacket does need a go with some nikwax but I'll do that when my bag starts getting clumpy, or i get bored, whatever comes first. My Life Outdoors did a video on Downtek, worth a watch. Currently the only reason not to get down is price or functionality. If you want an insulated jacket that you can wear while being active in UK winters, at least below Hadrian's wall, synthetic is pretty much it.
@Globetrotter-122 күн бұрын
I disagree and prefer down jackets for all conditions year round, winter ❄️ snow storms, severe cold weather, or heavy rains.
@mihyeon-v2c24 күн бұрын
여성에게 토르소 길이가 괜찮나요?
@KiritSankarGupta24 күн бұрын
How would you say this compares to the nebula pro? Also is the outer fabric durable ripstop, like it is on some other Rab puffers?
@OutsideHathersage24 күн бұрын
@@KiritSankarGupta the cirrus ultra feels warmer in testing than the Nebula. The tilt lining helps with this and also it means it feels warm quicker reflecting the heat you create. It also packs smaller than the nebula. The face fabric can stand up to abrasion quite well but could snag like all light jackets. Extra tough face fabric can add a lot of weight and take away the pack size, which is where the cirrus excels
@craigdavies174726 күн бұрын
Definitely prefer synthetic even if I need an extra few layers.
@Globetrotter-122 күн бұрын
I'm completely opposite and will always prefer down clothing in all conditions.
@Nordictor7826 күн бұрын
Perfect for Norwegian weather 😅
@coops196426 күн бұрын
03:55 "Its not fully waterproof". I live in England so its no good to me. Stopped watching.
@RaP2226 күн бұрын
Apart from a goretex shell, what the hell you want. This video is for warm jackets, go search KZbin for rain jackets...
@lesallan404227 күн бұрын
Has any manufacturer tried sheep’s wool fluffed up as the insulation in these jackets? It would help the wool industry if it worked .
@OutsideHathersage26 күн бұрын
@@lesallan4042 they have, particularly Salewa. Seems to work better as a breathable warm jacket to leave on rather than a mega packable warm jacket for static use. Mainly as not as compressible as down.
@ben251527 күн бұрын
But I do want this to be waterproof - then it genuinely does it all!
@OutsideHathersage26 күн бұрын
@@ben2515 think would increase cost and bulk. For technical hill use its usually better if they are all separate layers. That way if you over heat yet it's still wet out you can remove the insulation layer and leave the shell. And vice versa. However a warm , waterproof jacket like to the Rab Valiance is pretty useful as a general winter jacket!
@hendrixinfinity399222 күн бұрын
Then get a parka. Good for walking the dog and watching the kids play football and that's about it. Some people around my way even walk around in Dry Robes.
@cappaslangmurderer27 күн бұрын
The orange hood liner doesn't look good with zipped down that wee bit
@JoeannIntrieri-b9p27 күн бұрын
Heather Cape
@grahamjones245428 күн бұрын
Utter bollocks, I’m fed up of Rab marketing and price nonsense!! Much cheaper brands just as good!!! 😡
@OutsideHathersage28 күн бұрын
@@grahamjones2454 fair enough.
@Neil-clare25 күн бұрын
I’d put my rab expedition batura jacket against this jacket! Made in Sheffield with eider down properly made in the uk…not made in China like they are now.
@wizzoneill28 күн бұрын
Would be interested in comparison with the P Oreus from Mountain Equipment
@OutsideHathersage28 күн бұрын
coming up soon!
@OutsideHathersage10 күн бұрын
@@wizzoneill the Oreus video has now landed and in the comments we chat about the comparisons
@wizzoneill10 күн бұрын
@OutsideHathersage saw the vid, nice you had access to it for so long 😁
@louisc729 күн бұрын
How does it compare to Xenair Alpine Jacket? Thanks
@OutsideHathersage27 күн бұрын
Xenair alpine is more breathable and hence more for active use. The cirrus ultra will offer more warmth for the weight and pack size but not as breathable. So the cirrus is better for static use. Hope this helps
@louisc727 күн бұрын
@@OutsideHathersageThanks
@robbrigham592629 күн бұрын
Give it pit zips to help with the breathability and it would be much better
@OutsideHathersage27 күн бұрын
Very much a jacket built for maximum warmth for weight ratio. Pit zips at wright and cost and would lose some heat.
@gregvanpaassenАй бұрын
Almost anything is better than a down jacket. Get it wet, it's useless. It has to be babied constantly. In any environment with actual weather, or if you're going out for more than a couple of hours, leave your down at home. Polartec alphatech, a polyester fleece midlayer, and a good raincoat works best for me. Rab is frustrating. Most of their gear is almost good, but let down by one or two misfeatures. In this case, no armpit vents. And Rab is pricy.
@penninewild597027 күн бұрын
Down jackets were never invented for wet UK climates they were invented for dry alpine activities. Down is superior in terms of warmth and longevity whereas synthetic wears out when it's been crumpled a few thousand times whereas down is still going strong. Every type of garment has its own strengths and weaknesses .
@craigmorris6306Ай бұрын
Nice jacket
@border304Ай бұрын
I'd imagine pretty much all year round here in Scotland. Summer and winter aren't that different. At least in terms of how wet it gets.
@OutsideHathersageАй бұрын
@@border304 too right!
@jonarific8504Ай бұрын
Really thorough review thanks. I have a patagonia nano for similr reasons you say about down in the damp UK. I assume this is much warmer? I find the nano has its limits and wonder about upgrading for winter but with versatility for staying warmer than down if wetted through.
@OutsideHathersageАй бұрын
@@jonarific8504 I would say noticeably warmer than a nano puff. Much thicker with out being much heavier. Also warm very quickly with the tilt liner.