Canoe Sail Basics
3 жыл бұрын
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@michaelabraham8777
@michaelabraham8777 27 күн бұрын
Great video.
@5molotok5
@5molotok5 Ай бұрын
Best video on kayak / canoe sails !!!
@tomjeffersonwasright2288
@tomjeffersonwasright2288 Ай бұрын
To estimate the center of effort of a sail. draw it to scale on paper. Using a protractor or compass, draw a line bisecting the angle of each corner of the sail. Where all lines come together will approximate the center of effort. The exact center will be a bit closer to the mast. Take measurements and transfer the point to the real sail. Thanks for an excellent video. I have heard many discussion of the finer points of various rigs, but no discussion is as good as really building it.
@tomjeffersonwasright2288
@tomjeffersonwasright2288 Ай бұрын
For inspiration, read "Canoemates: A Story of the Florida Reef and Everglades" by Kirk Munroe, an account of 2 boys sailing canoes through the Florida Keys in the 1890s. The vessels were small, superlight decked canoes. with sails. In heavy weather, a gust can cause the boom to swing out as the canoe leans to the side, and get caught in the water. At that poiint you can't let the boom swing out farther. The sail fills, and over you go. Solution, Don't use the boom, leaving a "loose footed" sail. It is not as efficient as having a boom, but can release in an instant, and you carry one less spar.. You will see its value when you try it. If you pay out slack on the sheet, (don't lose the bitter end) the sail "flags", flapping and spilling the gust. That is a good idea for your initial sail too, as it is a very forgiving rig. It is common with lateen rigs and some older lug rigs.
@seanhartman6496
@seanhartman6496 2 ай бұрын
I love your use of the belay pin. Infinitely practical and a shame you don’t see them used more often
@jameshamre8778
@jameshamre8778 3 ай бұрын
It is clear that you put time and effort into producing a working rig that looks great! Thanks for sharing. I will try this on my own canoe.
@tea9554
@tea9554 2 ай бұрын
Have fun!
@danielbuckman2727
@danielbuckman2727 3 ай бұрын
Amazing engineering!!! Nice job 👍
@tea9554
@tea9554 2 ай бұрын
Glad you like it!
@jamesmorton7881
@jamesmorton7881 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Very very useful for my project. ❤❤
@tea9554
@tea9554 3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Afro408
@Afro408 3 ай бұрын
Nice rig man and almost exactly the same as the one I built for my canoe in the mid 70's. It worked really well, but I'd added an outrigger on the lee side. 💜👍
@tea9554
@tea9554 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@ferbandu9029
@ferbandu9029 4 ай бұрын
Very good ideas, simple, practical and non destructive for the boat.
@tea9554
@tea9554 3 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@rhettmartin6527
@rhettmartin6527 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for your efforts and making this video. It is very helpful and informative.
@tea9554
@tea9554 3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@rhettmartin6527
@rhettmartin6527 4 ай бұрын
Nice work 👏
@tea9554
@tea9554 2 ай бұрын
Thanks ✌️
@紀伊国屋東京
@紀伊国屋東京 4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! I and son made a wooden 18×3ft canoe by ourselves in last year. And now we are planning to make the sail. Your experience of canoe is very useful for us. In Japan yachting is a sports only in school or for rich. Yachts are regulated competition standard. So we could not find size of sail or Leeboard suitable for 18ft canoe.
@tea9554
@tea9554 3 ай бұрын
Have fun!
@紀伊国屋東京
@紀伊国屋東京 3 ай бұрын
@@tea9554 Thank you ! Have a nice voyage.
@Lollygagger-k4p
@Lollygagger-k4p 5 ай бұрын
The Grumman 18 makes a great hull for this. I've converted several canoes into performance sailing trimarans. The best have been made from Grummans. Other top quality aluminum canoes work just as well, but that's what I had. A good aluminum canoe isn't compromised by drilling holes for fasteners and boat stuff. Removing the seats and thwarts does not create a problem, either, since you will be adding thwarts as needed to attach the leeboards and /or aka amas. I ordered a sail kit from Sail~Rite for $95 that was a stitch together project . Simple and well marked. And, SOOO much better than anything I could have fashioned. Its a lug sail like this one. I added a headsail of 19sq ft. The jib helps a canoe tack better in light winds. The main is 54sq ft as recommended by this video. Well Done! I miss doing this, but my old shoulders have about had it. It's back to an aluminum skiff for me. I wonder if anyone has ever put a sail on one of those.....?
@tea9554
@tea9554 3 ай бұрын
Have fun with it!
@tomjeffersonwasright2288
@tomjeffersonwasright2288 Ай бұрын
Grumman made a 19 foot. square sterned freight canoe. You can motor, sail or paddle. They are fantastic canoes.
@branni6538
@branni6538 8 ай бұрын
These prevent healing and capsize too huh?
@tea9554
@tea9554 7 ай бұрын
The lee boards do not prevent healing (leaning due to the force of the wind on the sail), so the canoe could still capsize just like any other canoe. I sit on the bottom to keep the center of gravity low. I haven't ever capsized, but I have been close.
@petererrmann1841
@petererrmann1841 8 ай бұрын
Good straightforward advise
@tea9554
@tea9554 2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@richardstever3242
@richardstever3242 11 ай бұрын
I put a viking sail on my sportspal a few years back; no rudder, no lee boards. Just pull the sail up and hold on for dear life. I was keeping up with a cruise ship and had everyone waving at me. I don't have the canoe anymore but at least I'm alive! Thanks for the video...I really identify.
@tea9554
@tea9554 2 ай бұрын
Must have been fun, but probably not a practical sailing rig.
@richardstever3242
@richardstever3242 2 ай бұрын
@@tea9554 You can push your luck a little more in Georgian Bay harbors.
@wailinburnin
@wailinburnin 11 ай бұрын
What a fabulously likable personality you have, this video has the most straightforward, organized, and simply pleasant voiceover! Your ingenuity is tremendous! Here’s a playlist for a plywood rowing dinghy with a sailing rig and an outrigger. You could build something like this without plans and your own extremely clever rigging concepts. You’ll love sailing and may want to add a single outrigger or try your hand at a rowboat build. A beamier boat or an outrigger makes the sailing a lot less tricky and more enjoyable. If you fall in love with performance sailing, look up the Goat Island Skiff, it’s probably the best design for a home build plywood dinghy. kzbin.info/aero/PLZ2ODCFJw4TRss-CbUS6K-AEKXRB1ZGXT&si=LB5i7I2UcaKCg6SB
@SilentAlchemy1333
@SilentAlchemy1333 11 ай бұрын
Beautiful
@tea9554
@tea9554 2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@jeffreyerwin3665
@jeffreyerwin3665 11 ай бұрын
Basic is that you do not need a rudder on any very small sailboat such as a canoe. Another is that a higher aspect rig is much better. Also, leeboards need to have their edges sharpened. Then you need some padding on the rails because to sail upwind you need to hike out to balance the sail. But, as the author says, he is a beginner. once again, the rudder is an unnecessary waste of time for anyone who knows how to sail a small boat.
@highloughsdrifter1629
@highloughsdrifter1629 3 ай бұрын
My experience is that most canoe sailors start out thinking they don't need a rudder but end up fitting one. Paddle steering is OK, if you have more than two hands (please don't tie off sheets in canoes, you will swim). Main sheet in your teeth, perhaps? You can also steer with sails, but that really needs two masts and doesn't work so well downwind.
@jeffreyerwin3665
@jeffreyerwin3665 3 ай бұрын
@@highloughsdrifter1629 Hey ! Thanks for noticing my posts. I've sailed dingies without rudder both upwind and down. It is all a matter of balance using crew weight. Two sails are not necessary. However, I must admit that I have not completed my canoe sailing rig yet. It will not have a rudder and will not require the crew to steer with a paddle, but is , so far, unproven.
@tea9554
@tea9554 2 ай бұрын
I have seen a video of a man sailing a canoe in a stiff wind using just a paddle for both the steering and to act as a lee board. I have tried it, and I am not that skilled.
@peterhull100
@peterhull100 Жыл бұрын
Very good, well done for making it easy to understand and simple solutions to problems
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@markraciborski4289
@markraciborski4289 Жыл бұрын
Always wondered if a Junk Rig sail would work on a small canoe. Uses unstayed mast, can be lowered easily to reduce sail.
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
A junk rig sail, which is basically a balanced lug sail with battens, is one of the many sail types shown on canoes in Todd Bradshaw's book "Canoe Rig".
@highloughsdrifter1629
@highloughsdrifter1629 3 ай бұрын
I've battened standing lugs on my canoe (two masted, so two sails) The sails are cut flat, mine are from single pieces of sail cloth, no seams. I tried the true Junk Rig type of sheeting (to each batten) and found it unnecessarily complex for these small sails. Ended up with a centre main sheet which means I can tack without ducking, the main sail is all in front of the "cockpit", the mizzen behind.
@wayfarerchris.4116
@wayfarerchris.4116 Жыл бұрын
Some great ideas for turning your canoe into a sailing canoe. Liking the removable parts system leaving no damage to the canoe. Thanks for sharing 👍.
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
You bet!
@fredskinner1233
@fredskinner1233 Жыл бұрын
I liked your simple explanation and ingenious solutions for a sailing canoe. Also useful was your explanation of weather helm and how to adjust for it. Great job. And you aren’t selling anything!
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@dianegordon5366
@dianegordon5366 Жыл бұрын
brilliant!
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it.
@ThrasherGnar
@ThrasherGnar Жыл бұрын
I’ve been searching for this video for years, thank you sir!!
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@lawrence9217
@lawrence9217 Жыл бұрын
Nice work! Beautiful build, thanks for sharing!
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@davidnoland4216
@davidnoland4216 Жыл бұрын
Nicely rigged. I briefly considered such a setup. I came to the belief that an outrigger would be needed.
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Most canoe sails are not real tall, which reduces the likelihood that the wind pressure on the sail will cause the canoe to tip. Me and any passengers sit on pads directly on the bottom of the canoe when we sail (instead of up on a seat), which keeps a low center of gravity. When there is more wind and the canoe starts to lean (called heeling), I slide to the upwind side of the bottom of the canoe. I have never tipped over, but I have had a few close calls in gusty winds. From what I have read, anyone that sails any type of small boat long enough should expect to tip over sometime. An outrigger would obviously reduce that possibility, but canoes can also sailed without them. "Back in the day" when racing sailing canoes was popular they did not use outriggers, but most of those canoes were decked so that they could heel way over.
@Mardellio
@Mardellio Жыл бұрын
Finally a video that worth watching. Many videos skip the parts of installing rigs and many other interesting stuff. Thanks for making this video.
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@rickhawkins218
@rickhawkins218 Жыл бұрын
Are you generally gathering enough momentum to tack without paddling when soloing?
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
That is a great question. You must have experience is this matter to know to ask this. Generally when there is enough wind to have some momentum I can tack without paddling. Sometimes it is like magic, and other times it barely turns. If it feels like it is not going to make it, then it helps to grab the boom and hold the sail out on the side opposite from the direction that the canoe is turning. I believe that this is called a "hard cross". But if the winds are too light, you just have to paddle.
@rickhawkins218
@rickhawkins218 Жыл бұрын
@@tea9554 I have done quite a lot of sailing, but 'canoe sailing' is new.
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
@@rickhawkins218 Canoe sailing may be new to you, but it has quite a long history. In the USA it was probably most popular in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Back in that era the American Canoe Association published rules for racing sailing canoes, and there was even an International Cup canoe sailing competition. If you Google search for "Sailing Canoes, a Brief History" you can find a document by that name which was published in 1935 on the intcanoe.org website. Be sure to use the "previous" tab to start at the beginning.
@rickhawkins218
@rickhawkins218 Жыл бұрын
@@tea9554 Thanks, i will check that out.
@John-B69692
@John-B69692 Жыл бұрын
A fellow sailor here... Install a fairlead in front of your sheet cam cleat so your sheet stays in place. Make it tall enough (Upsidedown U) so you can pull sheet up and out of the jaws when easing. Put a stopper knot at the end of the sheet that's bigger than the fairlead opening so you don't loose the sheet through the fairlead. I like your setup.
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge
@garrycramins5608
@garrycramins5608 Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation! Very informative, similar to you, I am learning about sailing, this video took a subject which to the layman can seem very complex and made it simple!
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I am glad it was useful to you
@bushcraftingmuslim
@bushcraftingmuslim Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Youre a natural teacher. Thanks for sharing
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@kuttyogatonyarastavi24
@kuttyogatonyarastavi24 Жыл бұрын
Hi, with this type of solution, you can also travel on the sea for a long time?
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
You can sail for as long as you have a breeze, but an open canoe is not safe for travel on the sea
@joewatts7942
@joewatts7942 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Tea,, best build video for canoe sailing on KZbin, everybody take notice. You took the mystery out of the sail building. Very well explained.
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@sebell69
@sebell69 Жыл бұрын
great video (learn alot of the terminology in english to boot)
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful
@marceljansen2153
@marceljansen2153 Жыл бұрын
You did the rigging by yourself? Great
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Yes I did the rigging, the carpentry is pretty basic.
@sailingoksi
@sailingoksi Жыл бұрын
Looks great!
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@evankanenc
@evankanenc Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. One thing: that little flange on the floor of the canoe in front of the bow seat (plainly visible at 3:28)? That's for attaching the foot of a mast. Grumman designed and sold a sailing rig for this canoe.
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
You are correct about the canoe being manufactured with a flange for attaching the foot of the mast, which is what I mentioned at 2:47. My neighbor has one of the actual old sailing rigs that was manufactured to fit this canoe, which utilizes a Gunter mast. It works great, but most canoes won't have the built-in plate for mounting the mast step. So most mast steps are typically mounted with screws in a wooden canoe or epoxy on other canoes.
@MrZeagans
@MrZeagans Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. I've been researching building a simple sailing canoe rig and while I've found many videos, most assume a basic knowledge of sailboat anatomy terminology so while I've picked up most of it along the way, it's nice to have a video with the basics in layman's lingo. Saved in my growing "Sailing" playlist 😊👍
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@malin5468
@malin5468 Жыл бұрын
Nice work! How does it sail?
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
I think it sails well. I do wish that it could sail at a steeper angle into the wind (which is called pointing). It can sail into the wind about 20 degrees. I am not sure what my expectation should be. But I always get back to where I started from.
@malin5468
@malin5468 Жыл бұрын
Wow, 20 degrees is very close to the wind! You are inspiring me to try to build one.
@richardduvall6512
@richardduvall6512 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video on how to sail her
@butchyboy69
@butchyboy69 Жыл бұрын
Good ideas shown here! Thank you for doing this.😊
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Glad you appreciated it
@richardduvall6512
@richardduvall6512 Жыл бұрын
Do you know of any videos showing how to properly sail one of these rigs and common problems with them
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
There are several canoe sailing videos on youtube, but they are not instructional. The book Canoe Rig by Todd Bradshaw has a good chapter on how to sail. Some problems I can think of are: 1) If the canoe doesn't respond correctly to the rudder, consider shifting the leeboard location. Think of the canoe as a weather vane. 2) When tacking in light winds, hold the boom with your hand until the canoe turns, and then swing the boom to the other side. If this doesn't work, just use your paddle. 3) I sail on inland lakes, and my most consistent problem is that the wind dies, so always bring a paddle.
@andylewis248
@andylewis248 Жыл бұрын
And you need to get that rudder stock out of the water!
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
Yes, the rudder mount should be short enough and mounted high enough to stay above the water line and therefore not drag.
@andylewis248
@andylewis248 Жыл бұрын
Your yard needs to be at 40% from the throat of sail, not peak. That’s why you don’t have good luff tension, sir.
@tea9554
@tea9554 Жыл бұрын
This is way beyond the basics, but we can all benefit from learning from someone with more knowledge. The end of the yard at the top of the sail is the peak, and opposite end of the yard is the throat, but what is the 40% that are you referring to?
@andylewis248
@andylewis248 Жыл бұрын
@@tea9554 attachment of halliard to yard 40% from lower end.
@brcuellar74
@brcuellar74 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for a great video
@gdaynate7219
@gdaynate7219 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video - thanks mate
@jackhoughton942
@jackhoughton942 2 жыл бұрын
Looking into doing something very similar to an old canoe my grandma has and i was wondering if you have plans or dimensions for the sail and mast height
@tea9554
@tea9554 2 жыл бұрын
The dimensions of that standing lug sail which is 54 square feet are as follows: The foot (along the boom) is 8.03 ft The leech (trailing edge) is 11.40 ft The head (along the yard) is 7.15 ft The luff (leading edge) is 4.65 ft The diagonal measurement from the clew (corner at the back of the boom) to the throat (corner at the front of the yard) is 10.17 ft. The diagonal measurement from the peak (corner at the top of the yard) to the tack (corner at the front of the boom) is 10.77 ft. The total length of my mast is 11.33 ft
@BigthumbsupAdventures
@BigthumbsupAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation especially about weather helm
@tea9554
@tea9554 2 жыл бұрын
The number of people in the canoe and where they sit will also influence the pivot point of the canoe (called center of lateral pressure). Try to achieve just a slight weather helm so that it doesn't take too much pressure to turn the canoe. It is all part of the learning process which makes canoe sailing fun and interesting. Enjoy!