Thank you so much, I’m so happy you like my take on Arcane and Caitlyn 😘 I’m actually working on a short video about the trailer, where I might say a few things about Caitlyn 😏 But I’ll definitely make more videos about season 2! I’m just veeery slow in making them (being a single mother with a full time job…)

She’s lovely, but I like to think it’s more than superficial looks that gets Caitlyn’s juices flowing… 😁 But yeah, she’s hot 😍

You think Vi and Caitlyn’s story is cliche or all of Arcane? I’m not sure I think any of them are cliche… I guess enemies to lovers and family feuds are known tropes, but I just think the way the storylines are told is wonderfully refreshing

@@tildaowenI love the plot between Caitlyn and Vi, but the things outside of that are stuff I’ve seen done quite a lot before, on my part. But I’m completely cool with people loving all that! I’m just saying I love love love this relationship and the plot between these two in particular.

@@Prismalpink Me too! 😍

Yup, Vi will always choose Powder/Jinx. Everybody knows this except Jinx herself… 🙄

I couldn’t agree more! I’m so excited to see where they will take the rest of their story 🤩

Falling for Caitlyn comes so naturally to me, lol 😂

@@tildaowen Haha, thank you for giving me a good laugh. I can absolutely relate! 🤍 I love your videos, by the way!! They are most instructive. I cannot wait to see what second season has in store for us, and likewise, looking forward to your takes on it! (I am hoping. Fingers crossed!!🤞🏻 )

@scerenidee You’re welcome and thank you! I’m glad you like my take on things. I’m definitely going to discuss season 2. A very late discussion of the trailer is on its way already 😊

@@tildaowenARCANE fandom won big in life! 🤍

Thank you 😊

Hurrah, it’s almost here! 🤩🤩

It’s very poetic, a very lovely story ❤️

Yeah, I thought it was obvious too! 😊

Are you talking to Vi or to me? 😁😏 I think Vi will sample some cupcake in season two, but I believe it’s the first time (apart from hugs, cheek brushes and hand holding)

Thank you! 😘

Well, I think I have the accent down, lol...

There are many theories, them having sex is the least likely in my opinion. Caitlyn asking her on a date, is more likely, I agree, but still low on my list. Her saying “what about us”, would be more logical yes, but I think the audience is supposed to be surprised, not hoodwinked by lack of information. So Caitlyn saying this shows a very strong attachment despite being heretofore unspoken… I think that’s really romantic 😍

@@tildaowen Also they’re definitely my favourite wlw couple in cartoon media. Like the amount of sheer devotion the writers and the animators have to this one power duo is so refreshing to see

@@BigBigDave I agree completely, I love the way they are portrayed ❤️

I really like your idea, but I seriously doubt it’ll happen… Yes, Caitlyn is traumatised, but I think other traumas are more pertinent (mother bombed…). Lots of drama, tears and pent up feelings in season 2, but very little quiet time I think. Would be wonderful, though 😍

Exactly! 😏

Thanks 😊 I think you’re right, Vi would have gone after them regardless, but she risked her life, her reputation, her status in the undercity, by accompanying an enforcer, her sworn enemy. That is a big risk. But as I said in another video, Vi’s allegiance is primarily to family, not Zaun, so she goes where she can help family most

@@tildaowen haha, thank you, I haven't thought of the obvious. You're right, even Ekko said to Vi he can't trust her since she's giving a Piltie a tour of the lanes. I agree that during the council meeting she was sad because she must've already decided to leave Caitlyn behind. Her looking down in the saddest expression directly after Cait's line that she risked everything might add the reasons that she's starting to realise she has risked everything and most likely lost everything: she can't be with Cait, the undercity no longer feels like home and last she knows of Powder and Ekko is the bridge explosion. Btw, I saw a parallel of the shots of Vi's back in prison at the end of ep 4 and Caitlyn in the centre of the screen from the prison scene paralleled to Vi's back in the rain "break up" scene, where she's also looking over her left shoulder in the exact same angle and Caitlyn in the centre shot. Adds even more depth and symbolism to Vi walking away on her own

@@igabak2754 nice parallel, well spotted. So much symbolism and parallels in this show 😍

Interesting, what do you mean?

True!

I’m so excited it’s finally almost here after three long years! 😍

Thank you, I try to pay attention to detail 😊 Especially in Arcane, since there are so, so many!

@@tildaowen jayce was a family friend, he's known the kiramman family for a while now, he's known caitlyn since she was a teenager and possibly even younger. i'm pretty sure they're meant to be familial, anything romantic would automatically make jayce a weirdo, nvm the fact that caitlyn is a lesbian and jayce has no interest in her

@@juniper1350 I didn’t say he did or did not like her romantically, but that what we see in the show can be interpreted in more than one way. I guess you lean towards brotherly. I haven’t really made up my mind… Would it be weird for Jayce to be interested in her that way after being akin to a big brother first? Yes, but not unheard of (just ask Jane Austen’s character Emma…). I disagree with labeling Caitlyn as a lesbian, making that an argument against a romantic attraction on Jayce’s part. I’m not sure Caitlyn knows this about herself in the beginning of act two, much less Jayce… I also think she’s more of a bisexual if anything. But I like her label free, that fits her in other areas too, she’s hard to pin down as just one type of woman, enforcer, topsider, councillors daughter, friend, etc…

Well, I didn’t coin the phrase, but I guess pyramid would be more logical. But terms to describe something irl or in fiction don’t necessarily make sense… And since 99% understand love triangle as I use it, then I think I’ll stick to that term. Even if my version is unconventional. I would also say that the odds of a love triangle happening irl as you describe it, are pretty slim, it’s rather unusual for all three parties to be interested in each other romantically… But thanks for the suggestion and thanks for watching

Excellent point, lol!

@@tildaowen Also I feel like Kate going to be on "top" of her in a few season.

@@arx5638 Nah, she might be the one to take the first step, but imo she has very little experience, Vi has a lot more…

@@tildaowen I meant that as tough as Vi is she is oozing bottom energy. Once Catlyn starts flirting with her Vi's heart will be melting and won't be able to form coherent sentences...

@@arx5638 yeah, her heart will melt, but she won’t be bottom, in my opinion, they’ll be pretty equal… I definitely don’t see Caitlyn as the suave seducer and Vi as the passive romantic… I think Caitlyn will make the first move and then Vi will take over a little… I guess we’ll just have to wait and see 😊😍

Thank you so much! 😊

Very subtle, I agree!

I will be devastated too, but I really love it when a TV show can get me so worked up!

I’m glad you like it 😜 I do think he can fall in that category, lol

What’s that?

You’re next obsession.

@@killclair4594 Well, it won’t be, unless I know what it is and where I can find it… 😏

I’m sorry, but I don’t really understand your reference? (I haven’t played lol)

@@tildaowen I see. Its not shown in character dialogues. The characters talk to each other in the 3 stages of the game when u are playing.

@@kernelparadigm Thanks for the clarification! What isn’t shown?

Me too!

Thank you, yeah, real life has interfered, I’m afraid… So very, very busy with a new job! But I’m working on a short video about the trailer, so that’s something 😊 Might be a tick, though…

@@tildaowen no pressure! I’m patient 😀 just glad you are still planning on doing more videos

@@paulrobinson1458 oh, I definitely am, especially when season two comes out 😍

Working on it... Never been quick about these things 😏

Thank you so much, I’m glad you liked it!

Aw, thanks, so sweet of you to say!

Thats right. I say more about this moment in my video about the council scene ARCANE: What was the plan at the Council Caitlyn and Vi? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXquqaakh9epmdU

Thank you for your comment, there are so many theories about that gap in time. Yours is a sweet one 😊 It’s really hard to judge which comes closest, but I give my interpretation in the video “What was the plan at the council, Caitlyn and Vi?” What I think is important to note, is that I don’t think anything important for their relationship has been left up to interpretation. If it was important, we would have seen it, heard about it, one way or another… I’m SO looking forward to more answers (and questions) in season two! 😍

@@tildaowen I knew you were discussing it somewhere, turns out I commented in the wrong video. Anyways, love your analisis and can't wait for season 2 and your thoughts on it

@@igabak2754 Thanks! 😘

Thanks for your comment, it totally makes sense 😊 Trust and family are definitely big issues for Vi, and someone being both as trusting and so trustworthy absolutely makes it easier to let herself fall in love with a topsider

Yes, Cassandra was right! Caitlyn is going to torture herself over her last interactions with her mother 😭

I noticed Vi was checking out Caitlyn a few time after the brothel scenes 😂 so sexual attraction is definitely there for both of them! But I do agree it has a lot to do with the lgbtq relationship that people are so insistent on them being attracted to each other too soon

I agree completely with the lesbian invisibility! There are so many scenes which would undoubtedly be unambiguously romantic/sexual, if they had been opposite sex (or even two men as you say). But I didn’t read Caitlyn’s reaction to Vi in prison as “holy smokes, she’s hot!”, but more “holy smokes, she’s intimidating, powerful, dangerous, volatile, different, interesting, etc” I think her detective sense is tingling at this point, not her hottie detector. That being said, Caitlyn is definitely attracted in general to that which is dangerous and different, so her interest is peaked, but I don’t think she as a character senses anything else until the brothel. But you’re right, the scene at the prison can definitely read as a romantic setup, which is overlooked by large parts of the audience…

Thanks! 😊

And for Season 2 later.... (I cant wait any longerrrrr)

Working on it, but I’m terribly busy with a new job irl… But definitely getting there eventually 😊

Amazing points you make! I really like your analysis of Jinx's mental state, it makes total sense to me. Mental illness makes it hard for Jinx to see anyone’s perspective but her own. What doesn’t fit, she ignores… And I see your point about Vi not really having any agency with Jinx, but my point is that she has to! She can’t let Jinx make all the choices for her anymore…

While I respect your point of view I think you're using quite a bit of selective reasoning in how you're describing Jinxes (and Silcos, for that matter) mentality and perspective. Their attitude towards love and loyalty is informed by a lot more than a selfish need for validation and exclusive affection, but on stringent expectations for the nature and identity of people they commit to and would do anything for. They base their identities around those that care for them and in turn, expect them to act in a certain way back to them. For Silco, he expected Vander to remain dedicated to Zaun's liberation no matter his reservations or emotional hangups, what he got was a literal knife in the back - he doesnt "feel safe" around his Brother because said Brother literally and figuratively proved himself to be a different man than Silco thought he was. Granted, his betrayal happens decades before Vanders will to fight is broken on the bridge, but the two events are still connected in Silcos mind so I feel they should be described as such since we dont know what Vanders motivations were. The exact same is true of Jinx, she doesnt feel betrayed simply because Vi doesnt give her enough attention or affection, but because the split in her affection is directly at odds with her being the person Jinx needs her to be in order to have her loyalty. Vi has developed an image of "Powder" so distinct from her authentic reality it may as well be equivalent to the "Jinx" persona shes carefully crafted with Silco in order to live up to his expectations and needs. Jinx (the person, not the idea) processes this symbolic crossroads for both of them by deciding that if Vi wants to her to act like she did when she was a kid, then Vi needs to act like the big sister she remembers, and Jinx is fully convinced - for good reason - that that Vi wouldnt have been caught dead holding onto an enforcer and council members daughter whom she seems to have a suspiciously similar protective/guidance based dynamic with to that she had with Powder. Yes, Jinx's reaction to Caitlyns presence is primarily personal, but she would not have reacted with a feeling of betrayal and the idea that Vi couldnt be trusted if it was anyone else with her that night. Caitlyn is not simply an innocent bystander, but a member of the same military who Vi and Jinx's Mother died trying to save them from the subjugation of, shes in the undercity searching for the progress day bomber and to retrieve the gemstone, shes the daughter of one of the most powerful women in Piltover and a symbol of everything the sisters grew up feeling lesser than. As long as Jinx intends to stay in Zaun, her home, she cant exist in Vis world so long as Caitlyn does. That there seems to be a dilemma between the two in Vi's mind from JInx's perspective, isnt the problem in of itself, but a symptom of the problem - that Jinx feels Vi has changed yet feels that how her sister has changed is wrong and must be corrected. Which, well, she has and she does, so its not very illogical thinking on Jinxs part as far as im concerned. This is best evidenced in the quote you've significantly changed, Jinx doesnt say to Vi "I thought you could still love me", she says "I thought you could love me like you used to" which has a world of difference in it. Jinx knows Vi loves her (and loves her in return mind), she wouldnt have bothered asking her to choose between her and someone she functionally cannot have in her life at the same time if she didnt, she wouldve cut her ties and left without a further action. Its that Jinx thinks, or rather knows, that Vi loves an image, an idea, a ghost of what her sister is supposed to be rather than the full person and is doing so without becoming the equivalent image of herself in her own right. This is why Silcos last words to her are so affecting, they're an expression of totally unconditional love from someone who to that point had conditioned his approval and affection solely on her fulfillment of an inauthentic sense of self. This is something that Vi is unable to do because of how her guilt made her cling to an idea of Powder divorced from the continuing development of her sister to the point in which she views her adult self as a prison like shell in which her true sister is trapped within, an idea Jinxes people pleaser attitude to identity and past experiences with the topic - silco directing her to kill her past self to escape its emotional baggage and forge a stronger future self - enable Vi to believe. So no I'm sorry but Vi absolutly made multiple and dramatic, albeit mostly unconscious, decisions regarding her relationship with Powder, Caitlyn and had her soul and character - as well as others view of it - changed in return. Dedicating herself to "Powder" is not as clear cut as it sounds when said dedication is so undercut by attitude and context in the perspective of the person whose loyalty she is trying to win. Even when its not Vis fault that she feels this way, she does in fact decide her course of action based upon the same.