I think “cupcake” in this context means something simple. There’s a line in the series where Caitlin says “stop calling me cupcake; my name’s Caitlyn.” Afterwards, Vi says, “Aww…but you’re sweet. Like a cupcake.” I think Vi means that Caitlyn is sweeter than she seems. Caitlyn puts on a tough front but Vi totally knows she’s a daisy haha
@drkim40774 сағат бұрын
Hi Tilda, hope you’re well. Just wanted to let you know that I’m more excited for your comeback in November than Arcane S2 😂. I love your character analysis videos, especially on Cait.
@tildaowen2 сағат бұрын
Thank you so much, I’m so happy you like my take on Arcane and Caitlyn 😘 I’m actually working on a short video about the trailer, where I might say a few things about Caitlyn 😏 But I’ll definitely make more videos about season 2! I’m just veeery slow in making them (being a single mother with a full time job…)
@DasKrakken444Күн бұрын
Lovely video, truly, but like... have you SEEN Vi?
@tildaowenКүн бұрын
She’s lovely, but I like to think it’s more than superficial looks that gets Caitlyn’s juices flowing… 😁 But yeah, she’s hot 😍
@Prismalpink2 күн бұрын
I don’t like how cliche the story is, but I live for the Vi and Caitlyn ship haha
@tildaowen2 күн бұрын
You think Vi and Caitlyn’s story is cliche or all of Arcane? I’m not sure I think any of them are cliche… I guess enemies to lovers and family feuds are known tropes, but I just think the way the storylines are told is wonderfully refreshing
@PrismalpinkКүн бұрын
@@tildaowenI love the plot between Caitlyn and Vi, but the things outside of that are stuff I’ve seen done quite a lot before, on my part. But I’m completely cool with people loving all that! I’m just saying I love love love this relationship and the plot between these two in particular.
@tildaowenКүн бұрын
@@Prismalpink Me too! 😍
@Prismalpink3 күн бұрын
Jinx was kind of like a sister to her. Caitlyn is implied to be the interest.
@tildaowenКүн бұрын
Yup, Vi will always choose Powder/Jinx. Everybody knows this except Jinx herself… 🙄
@BrainNeedsFood4 күн бұрын
I've said it before but it's worth saying again: this is honestly one of the best romance stories I've ever seen committed to screen. Subtle but obvious, quiet yet powerful. Just masterful writing.
@tildaowen4 күн бұрын
I couldn’t agree more! I’m so excited to see where they will take the rest of their story 🤩
@scerenidee5 күн бұрын
22:28 “And neither can I” was tossed so naturally in the speech, it took me an embarrassingly amount of time to realise the playful remark was a part of a joke and not an objective statement, part of the video. I even went like “True, true” in my mind… hahaha!
@tildaowen4 күн бұрын
Falling for Caitlyn comes so naturally to me, lol 😂
@scerenidee4 күн бұрын
@@tildaowen Haha, thank you for giving me a good laugh. I can absolutely relate! 🤍 I love your videos, by the way!! They are most instructive. I cannot wait to see what second season has in store for us, and likewise, looking forward to your takes on it! (I am hoping. Fingers crossed!!🤞🏻 )
@tildaowen4 күн бұрын
@scerenidee You’re welcome and thank you! I’m glad you like my take on things. I’m definitely going to discuss season 2. A very late discussion of the trailer is on its way already 😊
@scerenidee4 күн бұрын
@@tildaowenARCANE fandom won big in life! 🤍
@beepbruh10 күн бұрын
This is totally unrelated, but I love your voice, it’s so soothing.
@tildaowen10 күн бұрын
Thank you 😊
@heatherchandlerr10 күн бұрын
watching this when arcane season 2 comes out in 2 MONTHS FHDHDHJRIEIRUFJH
@tildaowen10 күн бұрын
Hurrah, it’s almost here! 🤩🤩
@StormRinger4715 күн бұрын
Vi falls in love with Caitlyn when she expresses her desire to do good and make peace between the cities. Caitlyn falls in love with Vi when Vi finally opens up and allows herself to be vulnerable. Its kinda poetic.
@tildaowen9 күн бұрын
It’s very poetic, a very lovely story ❤️
@StormRinger4715 күн бұрын
Im so glad im not thr only one who thinks Vi falls in love when Cait talks to Ekko. To me, it seems so obvious
@tildaowen9 күн бұрын
Yeah, I thought it was obvious too! 😊
@VanlyVL16 күн бұрын
Vi alguna vez habrá probado un cupcake? Porque si no lo ha hecho aún.... con algo de suerte en la segunda temporada los come... y será la segunda vez que lo prueba, no la primera... ;3 Por favor necesito que mínimo se besen en primer plano >_<
@tildaowen16 күн бұрын
Are you talking to Vi or to me? 😁😏 I think Vi will sample some cupcake in season two, but I believe it’s the first time (apart from hugs, cheek brushes and hand holding)
@VanlyVL16 күн бұрын
"I'm an excellent shot" <3
@squeegee1817 күн бұрын
Wow the in-depth explanation is sooo good. Thanks for thisssss 🎉
@tildaowen16 күн бұрын
Thank you! 😘
@whisper638818 күн бұрын
it sounds like caitlyn is narrating this video lmaooo
@tildaowen16 күн бұрын
Well, I think I have the accent down, lol...
@BigBigDave19 күн бұрын
I saw this theory the other day that proposed that maybe during the bed scene, instead of anything sexual (but perhaps romantic) Caitlyn suggests that they should go on a “date”. Maybe not as forward as that but more like “i can show you around Piltover sometime”. This would then make the rain scene/breakup scene make more sense as surely the writers would show an intimate scene but a scene with supposedly no romantic interest? Not likely. Also they could 100% flashback to this from Vi’s POV after a fight with Angry/Vengeful/Commandeer Caitlyn maybe even shedding tears.
@tildaowen18 күн бұрын
There are many theories, them having sex is the least likely in my opinion. Caitlyn asking her on a date, is more likely, I agree, but still low on my list. Her saying “what about us”, would be more logical yes, but I think the audience is supposed to be surprised, not hoodwinked by lack of information. So Caitlyn saying this shows a very strong attachment despite being heretofore unspoken… I think that’s really romantic 😍
@BigBigDave18 күн бұрын
@@tildaowen Also they’re definitely my favourite wlw couple in cartoon media. Like the amount of sheer devotion the writers and the animators have to this one power duo is so refreshing to see
@tildaowen18 күн бұрын
@@BigBigDave I agree completely, I love the way they are portrayed ❤️
@Lilly101020 күн бұрын
Love this scene but poor caitlyn will never take a shower normally again. Season two is soon so a girl can hope for a cute nonsexual shower scene between vi and caitlyn of her helping her get over the traumas lol
@tildaowen16 күн бұрын
I really like your idea, but I seriously doubt it’ll happen… Yes, Caitlyn is traumatised, but I think other traumas are more pertinent (mother bombed…). Lots of drama, tears and pent up feelings in season 2, but very little quiet time I think. Would be wonderful, though 😍
@-.jai.-22 күн бұрын
A Vi colored stool
@tildaowen22 күн бұрын
Exactly! 😏
@igabak275423 күн бұрын
Love the analysis. Btw, do you have any thoughts on Caitlyn's line "she risked everything to show me what life was really like down there". What risk could she have ment? Losing Jinx, knowing how upset (to call it midly) she got whenever she saw them together? I mean.. Vi didn't really risk anything trying to go after Silco or Sevika and she would've done it regardless if Caitlyn follwed her or not. But it would be a strange thing if Cait meant antagonising Vi's sister, why would she mean that in front of the council?
@tildaowen22 күн бұрын
Thanks 😊 I think you’re right, Vi would have gone after them regardless, but she risked her life, her reputation, her status in the undercity, by accompanying an enforcer, her sworn enemy. That is a big risk. But as I said in another video, Vi’s allegiance is primarily to family, not Zaun, so she goes where she can help family most
@igabak275422 күн бұрын
@@tildaowen haha, thank you, I haven't thought of the obvious. You're right, even Ekko said to Vi he can't trust her since she's giving a Piltie a tour of the lanes. I agree that during the council meeting she was sad because she must've already decided to leave Caitlyn behind. Her looking down in the saddest expression directly after Cait's line that she risked everything might add the reasons that she's starting to realise she has risked everything and most likely lost everything: she can't be with Cait, the undercity no longer feels like home and last she knows of Powder and Ekko is the bridge explosion. Btw, I saw a parallel of the shots of Vi's back in prison at the end of ep 4 and Caitlyn in the centre of the screen from the prison scene paralleled to Vi's back in the rain "break up" scene, where she's also looking over her left shoulder in the exact same angle and Caitlyn in the centre shot. Adds even more depth and symbolism to Vi walking away on her own
@tildaowen22 күн бұрын
@@igabak2754 nice parallel, well spotted. So much symbolism and parallels in this show 😍
@rolfnoduk24 күн бұрын
Rain (Michelle Rodriguez) from Resident Evil
@connorsimpson967025 күн бұрын
I hope this should be a warning to disney
@tildaowen25 күн бұрын
Interesting, what do you mean?
@idreadFell36526 күн бұрын
Reasons she mightily fell for Caitlyn: *Blue haired sharp shooter(just like her sister) *Took her out of prison *Is an enforcer that went against enforcer protocol -Pretty darn different from the typical enforcer *Protected and saved her life during their journey *she’s a hottie
@tildaowen26 күн бұрын
True!
@abraham217228 күн бұрын
I wonder why Jace became more aggressive and open to more drastic solutions. Its probably his confidence in hextech, which has been overwhelmingly successful and has not let him down so far. I also think Vis plan against Silco would have been the best (or rather the least bad) option. Great video!
@ginawhatyoudoin8058Ай бұрын
4 more months! I want to plan a group watch along so badly.
@tildaowenАй бұрын
I’m so excited it’s finally almost here after three long years! 😍
@astaldoАй бұрын
I never quite read the potential romantic connotations between Jayce and Cait during Jayce’s visit scene, and while I still lean more towards to brotherly with bad news interpretation, I appreciate your attention to detail. Great video!
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Thank you, I try to pay attention to detail 😊 Especially in Arcane, since there are so, so many!
@juniper135026 күн бұрын
@@tildaowen jayce was a family friend, he's known the kiramman family for a while now, he's known caitlyn since she was a teenager and possibly even younger. i'm pretty sure they're meant to be familial, anything romantic would automatically make jayce a weirdo, nvm the fact that caitlyn is a lesbian and jayce has no interest in her
@tildaowen26 күн бұрын
@@juniper1350 I didn’t say he did or did not like her romantically, but that what we see in the show can be interpreted in more than one way. I guess you lean towards brotherly. I haven’t really made up my mind… Would it be weird for Jayce to be interested in her that way after being akin to a big brother first? Yes, but not unheard of (just ask Jane Austen’s character Emma…). I disagree with labeling Caitlyn as a lesbian, making that an argument against a romantic attraction on Jayce’s part. I’m not sure Caitlyn knows this about herself in the beginning of act two, much less Jayce… I also think she’s more of a bisexual if anything. But I like her label free, that fits her in other areas too, she’s hard to pin down as just one type of woman, enforcer, topsider, councillors daughter, friend, etc…
@Jackobo6Ай бұрын
I believe the term "love triangle" is used incorrectly like 99% of time. In order to be a love triangle, all 3 people would have to have some kind of relationship or attraction with each other. In this specific case, Jinx and Caitlyn would have to have some kind of "love" (either familiar or romantic) relationship too in order it to be a love triangle. In triangle, all lines are connected. Another example is the Twilight saga "love triangle (I consider Twilight to be an ultimate trash, but it is a nice example in this case) - If it was a love triangle, Edward and Jacob would have to have a relationship as well, and they don't. These cases that are usually described as "a triangle" are more correctly love pyramids I would say - one person is always on the top (in case of Arcane it's Vi) and the other two are the "rivals" (Jinx and Cait).
@tildaowen26 күн бұрын
Well, I didn’t coin the phrase, but I guess pyramid would be more logical. But terms to describe something irl or in fiction don’t necessarily make sense… And since 99% understand love triangle as I use it, then I think I’ll stick to that term. Even if my version is unconventional. I would also say that the odds of a love triangle happening irl as you describe it, are pretty slim, it’s rather unusual for all three parties to be interested in each other romantically… But thanks for the suggestion and thanks for watching
@arx5638Ай бұрын
that cushion was red, softened, disconnected...just like a certain redhead who gives Kate a new "perspective"
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Excellent point, lol!
@arx5638Ай бұрын
@@tildaowen Also I feel like Kate going to be on "top" of her in a few season.
@tildaowenАй бұрын
@@arx5638 Nah, she might be the one to take the first step, but imo she has very little experience, Vi has a lot more…
@arx5638Ай бұрын
@@tildaowen I meant that as tough as Vi is she is oozing bottom energy. Once Catlyn starts flirting with her Vi's heart will be melting and won't be able to form coherent sentences...
@tildaowenАй бұрын
@@arx5638 yeah, her heart will melt, but she won’t be bottom, in my opinion, they’ll be pretty equal… I definitely don’t see Caitlyn as the suave seducer and Vi as the passive romantic… I think Caitlyn will make the first move and then Vi will take over a little… I guess we’ll just have to wait and see 😊😍
@SadCupcake-d5vАй бұрын
Incredible analysis, thank you!!
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Thank you so much! 😊
@artxroyaltyАй бұрын
This video is the first time I noticed Jinx in the background behind Caitlyn 😳
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Very subtle, I agree!
@unicorn1655Ай бұрын
Can we also talk about how fucking awkward this must have been for Jinx. Just waiting around thinking „Damn when will this bitch finally be done? Can’t she hurry??“ And then the awkwardness of having Caitlyn dress herself/ knocking her out and then dressing her?? Like girl you are literally a genius could you not have figured out a better way to do this 😭😭
@unicorn1655Ай бұрын
No matter who Vi chooses, I will be devastated. I really hate when a story is well written 😭
@tildaowenАй бұрын
I will be devastated too, but I really love it when a TV show can get me so worked up!
@mikaelahimeragi8883Ай бұрын
BAHAHAHAA i just saw the Jayce: pet project?? LMAO
@tildaowenАй бұрын
I’m glad you like it 😜 I do think he can fall in that category, lol
@killclair4594Ай бұрын
You’d love tenjuo tenges.
@tildaowenАй бұрын
What’s that?
@killclair4594Ай бұрын
You’re next obsession.
@tildaowenАй бұрын
@@killclair4594 Well, it won’t be, unless I know what it is and where I can find it… 😏
@kernelparadigmАй бұрын
Well Simple for the ESG scores, if not it would be the same in LOL.
@tildaowenАй бұрын
I’m sorry, but I don’t really understand your reference? (I haven’t played lol)
@kernelparadigmАй бұрын
@@tildaowen I see. Its not shown in character dialogues. The characters talk to each other in the 3 stages of the game when u are playing.
@tildaowenАй бұрын
@@kernelparadigm Thanks for the clarification! What isn’t shown?
@sophiegaynor7889Ай бұрын
If there isn’t a kiss between them in season 2 I’m going to LOSE IT
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Me too!
@paulrobinson1458Ай бұрын
Miss your videos! Any plans to comment on the trailers/Annecy Vi scene, etc?
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Thank you, yeah, real life has interfered, I’m afraid… So very, very busy with a new job! But I’m working on a short video about the trailer, so that’s something 😊 Might be a tick, though…
@paulrobinson1458Ай бұрын
@@tildaowen no pressure! I’m patient 😀 just glad you are still planning on doing more videos
@tildaowenАй бұрын
@@paulrobinson1458 oh, I definitely am, especially when season two comes out 😍
@nightsausАй бұрын
Girl the new trailer is out. We need u out here 😊
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Working on it... Never been quick about these things 😏
@danielthemaniel1697Ай бұрын
this is a fantastic video, very well done! thank you
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Thank you so much, I’m glad you liked it!
@AnnikalovetokeepmesafeАй бұрын
LOVE YOUR ARCANE ANALYSIS SO MUCHHHHHHH
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Aw, thanks, so sweet of you to say!
@belindatsakonas55332 ай бұрын
There's also the moment when they are in front of the council caitlyn hesitates when asked about jinx's grenade. First she says no then "well" looking back at Vi. But only when vi steps in does the council get the answer. She didn't want to ruin the trust she had built with Vi by telling them about Jinx.
@tildaowen3 күн бұрын
Thats right. I say more about this moment in my video about the council scene ARCANE: What was the plan at the Council Caitlyn and Vi? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXquqaakh9epmdU
@igabak27542 ай бұрын
I've got a theory about what they were doing between that scene and the council. Since Vi was sharing a childhood memory and Caitlyn didn't, I reckon Vi drew her out. Caitlyn then told her the story from her flashback about Grayson, which made Vi upset and she related the traumatic experience from ep 3 when Grayson was murdered a few meters from her. This reinforces everything that happened later: Why Vi was sad during the council meeting, why Caitlyn said the collective "they" failed her in so many ways why Vi during the "breakup" emphesised their class diferences cos it hurt her to realise just how different their childhoods were (she must've been also permitted to take a shower, and we all know what kind of an impression that gigantic luxurious bathroom must've left on Vi). And it reinforces why Caitlyn asked 'what about us', since Vi expressed interest in getting to know her story.
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Thank you for your comment, there are so many theories about that gap in time. Yours is a sweet one 😊 It’s really hard to judge which comes closest, but I give my interpretation in the video “What was the plan at the council, Caitlyn and Vi?” What I think is important to note, is that I don’t think anything important for their relationship has been left up to interpretation. If it was important, we would have seen it, heard about it, one way or another… I’m SO looking forward to more answers (and questions) in season two! 😍
@igabak2754Ай бұрын
@@tildaowen I knew you were discussing it somewhere, turns out I commented in the wrong video. Anyways, love your analisis and can't wait for season 2 and your thoughts on it
@tildaowenАй бұрын
@@igabak2754 Thanks! 😘
@triddie123962 ай бұрын
What drives me to believe Vi fell this quick is because of her values and her love language. Vi’s love language is mainly sacrifice and protection, so when she sees Caitlyn trying to protect her and sacrificing her life for Vi (when she comes to block Jinx’s bullets from her in the bridge scene) Vi becomes very "attracted" to that. Making her therefore trusting Caitlyn more than she would’ve otherwise. Also Vi’s love language mainly occurs with members of her family. She was brought up knowing that family make sacrifices for each other, so when someone non family does just that she gravitâtes more towards loving Caitlyn for those reasons. So in return, Vi becomes protective of Caitlyn, as shown in the Tea party scene where she got mad at Jinx for involving her in their troubles. That earned trust from Vi is why I think 5 days would be more than enough for Vi to fall in love and same for Caitlyn, hope I made sense 😂
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Thanks for your comment, it totally makes sense 😊 Trust and family are definitely big issues for Vi, and someone being both as trusting and so trustworthy absolutely makes it easier to let herself fall in love with a topsider
@averyhannah92122 ай бұрын
a hot masc with hailee steinfeld voice how could she resist
@DjDaniBee2 ай бұрын
Loooll totally agree that they Did Not Plan. Vi just wanted Piltover’s help eliminating Silco, and Caitlyn had the naive belief that once they identify the key criminal (Silco), he’d be brought to justice, the gemstone would be found, and the war situation can deescalate. They thought once they prove the case against Silco, all would surely be well and they didn’t do a single “what if” exercise. Shoulda listened to Mommy Kiramman. My heart is in pieces that Cait’s last look at her mom was that “well done” nod. Ughhh the cruelty.
@tildaowen2 ай бұрын
Yes, Cassandra was right! Caitlyn is going to torture herself over her last interactions with her mother 😭
@DjDaniBee2 ай бұрын
There is lesbian invisibility at play here, pure and simple. People perceive this as too fast because all the early indications slip through their radar. When a hetero pairing so much as look at each other for a second too long, they clock it. In fact, even the mere presence of an attractive man and an attractive woman in the same scene primes the audience to anticipate sexual/romantic tension. We know it before they even interact, if the show makes a point of introducing a character as hot when they first meet the other. Because that is actually how humans often behave. Sometimes, attraction registers instantly, and when you do have smack-you-in-the-face attraction it frames everything else from there. It doesn’t mean people instantly fall in love, but they’re certainly predisposed to it. Whereas here, because most people don’t take homosexuality as the default assumption, they only first notice it when it hits them over the head, at which point it feels sudden and “out if nowhere”. It’s the same reason two women could show up to a hotel holding hands and ask for a room with one bed and the receptionist will assume they’re sisters. If the receptionist sees them making out at some point they’ll feel blindsided. People don’t see what is there; they see what they identify. To my eye, sexual tension began the second we were introduced to Vi in prison through Cait’s eyes. We got a slow scan of tattooed back muscles glistening with sweat and the face reveal with the hair over eyes. It was a “hot character reveal”. Some may say it was a “tough character reveal” but are these opposites? These pieces of information often go hand in hand unless the tough character is pointedly ugly. Or, as in this case, unconventional. If Vi were a man, muscles = hot. Even if Cait were a man too, that reveal might scream “gay!” If Cait were a man, and Vi was a buxom hourglass? Unambiguous. But with Vi being unconventionally hot, and the beholder being a femme woman too, the scene doesn’t read as a “love interest” reveal to people who aren’t used to imagining someone like Cait drooling over someone like Vi. Cait’s literal first thought about Vi was “holy smokes”. She spends the entire rest of the time struggling to think clearly and focus on the mission. If you clock that, you’re also clocking everything else from there and by the time she’s almost kissing her, it’s no surprise at all. No one says they’re ready to get married after the 5 days. They might discover they don’t even like each other if they hang out normally for 2 weeks after this. But what they do have right now is raging attraction, growing respect, and a caring trauma bond. Potent ingredients for falling in love and craving closeness.
@triddie123962 ай бұрын
I noticed Vi was checking out Caitlyn a few time after the brothel scenes 😂 so sexual attraction is definitely there for both of them! But I do agree it has a lot to do with the lgbtq relationship that people are so insistent on them being attracted to each other too soon
@tildaowenАй бұрын
I agree completely with the lesbian invisibility! There are so many scenes which would undoubtedly be unambiguously romantic/sexual, if they had been opposite sex (or even two men as you say). But I didn’t read Caitlyn’s reaction to Vi in prison as “holy smokes, she’s hot!”, but more “holy smokes, she’s intimidating, powerful, dangerous, volatile, different, interesting, etc” I think her detective sense is tingling at this point, not her hottie detector. That being said, Caitlyn is definitely attracted in general to that which is dangerous and different, so her interest is peaked, but I don’t think she as a character senses anything else until the brothel. But you’re right, the scene at the prison can definitely read as a romantic setup, which is overlooked by large parts of the audience…
@DjDaniBee2 ай бұрын
Great timeline review! This finally clarifies things
@tildaowenАй бұрын
Thanks! 😊
@petya6372 ай бұрын
Will you make an analysis about season 2 teaser? Pls🥺
@petya6372 ай бұрын
And for Season 2 later.... (I cant wait any longerrrrr)
@tildaowen2 ай бұрын
Working on it, but I’m terribly busy with a new job irl… But definitely getting there eventually 😊
@DjDaniBee2 ай бұрын
Right there with you on coping with withdrawal ❤ It’s cool that our 2 protagonists are in the middle of a love triangle of their own. Vi with Cait and Jinx with Silco. The elephant in the room is mental illness. Vi has tons of trauma and, to a much lesser extent, Cait may have some too, but Silco and Jinx both have woefully untreated BPD, *plus* those piles of trauma on top. Powder was younger than Vi when they lost their parents. Vi got to hit some developmental milestones before The Worst happened. And sometimes it’s just luck about the brain you’re born with, but bottom line is Powder is legit crazy and Vi is not. Powder’s meltdown when Vi leaves her behind (before the mission) is a textbook BPD reaction to “abandonment”, not just youthfulness. When she jumps into Silco’s arms later it’s “she left me. she is not my sister anymore”. Black and white. Silco says black and white things too: “everyone always betrays us”. Bro, you just made a speech about loyalty when Sevika was having your back earlier. Vander also mentions “you had my respect”, but people with Powder and Silco’s mental illness often struggle to see love or feel safe. I do think Silco manipulates Jinx’s insecurities but i also think he often believes the dark things he says about Powder being betrayed and abandoned because he projects his own experience / distorted worldview onto her. Back to Cait-Vi-Powder. Vi always chooses Powder. Powder is never able to internalize it. When Vi is leaving her behind because “you’re all i have left”, when Vi is back and holding her (“are you real?”), when Vi says “im here for you. Only you.”, when she says “nothing will ever change that” (re: are we still sisters?)”, when she sees Vi part ways with Cait on the bridge, when Vi chooses her again by saying “we’ll go away together”. Vi doesn’t even reject Jinx! That’s a misconception. When Powder says “I’ve changed”, Vi says “it’s okay; you did what you had to do to survive; so did I”. But Powder really struggles to retain these things when she’s splitting into black and white thinking. It can be thankless at times to try to reassure someone who is disorderedly insecure. 100 devoted acts disappear behind 1 hesitation. A detail I enjoyed is the way the sisters know each other. When Powder does crazy things like talk to people who aren’t there, Cait is thrown off by it but Vi is not. Both Vi and Silco occasionally just kind of move past some of Powder’s most erratic actions. Do we think Powder’s meltdown before the Vander rescue mission is the first time that happened? Nah. Powder has probably always been nuts about Vi and Vi is familiar with her reactions and tiptoes around them. Anyone who’s loved someone with BPD knows how fragile they can be and how strongly they react to the slightest threat. So Powder being nuts is not news to Vi. The one time she’s taken aback is when she sees her now grown and empowered sister gunning people down. Indeed, BPD comes to full bloom in the 20s. Powder is now gone from sensitive and stormy to scary dangerous, especially when coupled with her penchant for explosives and poisonous new parent. Vi is not ill like that. When she went home with Cait it’s because Powder had literally just shot at her. Best let someone cool off when they’re in THAT kind of mood, before trying to make up again. When Vi is asked to murder an innocent bystander to prove her devotion to Powder, she doesn’t even hesitate. Sure, Vi loves Cait by then but that’s not even the issue. She’s not going to murder someone in cold blood because her crazy sister is having one of her meltdowns. She remains focused on trying to calm her sister down. In the end, Jinx says i thought you could still love me… you’ve changed too”. Sigh. Disordered thinking continues. Romanticizing how much Vi always loved her before (even though they probably had plenty of fights as kids) and concluding she doesn’t love her now (despite mountains of evidence to the contrary). Powder just feels bad and that’s how she things when she’s in pain, no matter what anyone says. The irony is that Vi has, in fact, been slowly changing sides. Nothing to do with Powder vs Cait. More about Top vs Under, anti-enforcer vs pro-enforcer. Vi is perfectly able to love her sister while growing into a more nuanced view of who the heroes and villains are in her political landscape. But for someone like Powder, Vi shifting at all is too threatening to contemplate. All this to say, Vi never had to make a choice. She was always all about Powder but Powder was straight up triggered by Cait’s very existence and she exploded all by herself. Vi had zero agency in her own “love triangle.”
@tildaowen2 ай бұрын
Amazing points you make! I really like your analysis of Jinx's mental state, it makes total sense to me. Mental illness makes it hard for Jinx to see anyone’s perspective but her own. What doesn’t fit, she ignores… And I see your point about Vi not really having any agency with Jinx, but my point is that she has to! She can’t let Jinx make all the choices for her anymore…
@fionn2220Ай бұрын
While I respect your point of view I think you're using quite a bit of selective reasoning in how you're describing Jinxes (and Silcos, for that matter) mentality and perspective. Their attitude towards love and loyalty is informed by a lot more than a selfish need for validation and exclusive affection, but on stringent expectations for the nature and identity of people they commit to and would do anything for. They base their identities around those that care for them and in turn, expect them to act in a certain way back to them. For Silco, he expected Vander to remain dedicated to Zaun's liberation no matter his reservations or emotional hangups, what he got was a literal knife in the back - he doesnt "feel safe" around his Brother because said Brother literally and figuratively proved himself to be a different man than Silco thought he was. Granted, his betrayal happens decades before Vanders will to fight is broken on the bridge, but the two events are still connected in Silcos mind so I feel they should be described as such since we dont know what Vanders motivations were. The exact same is true of Jinx, she doesnt feel betrayed simply because Vi doesnt give her enough attention or affection, but because the split in her affection is directly at odds with her being the person Jinx needs her to be in order to have her loyalty. Vi has developed an image of "Powder" so distinct from her authentic reality it may as well be equivalent to the "Jinx" persona shes carefully crafted with Silco in order to live up to his expectations and needs. Jinx (the person, not the idea) processes this symbolic crossroads for both of them by deciding that if Vi wants to her to act like she did when she was a kid, then Vi needs to act like the big sister she remembers, and Jinx is fully convinced - for good reason - that that Vi wouldnt have been caught dead holding onto an enforcer and council members daughter whom she seems to have a suspiciously similar protective/guidance based dynamic with to that she had with Powder. Yes, Jinx's reaction to Caitlyns presence is primarily personal, but she would not have reacted with a feeling of betrayal and the idea that Vi couldnt be trusted if it was anyone else with her that night. Caitlyn is not simply an innocent bystander, but a member of the same military who Vi and Jinx's Mother died trying to save them from the subjugation of, shes in the undercity searching for the progress day bomber and to retrieve the gemstone, shes the daughter of one of the most powerful women in Piltover and a symbol of everything the sisters grew up feeling lesser than. As long as Jinx intends to stay in Zaun, her home, she cant exist in Vis world so long as Caitlyn does. That there seems to be a dilemma between the two in Vi's mind from JInx's perspective, isnt the problem in of itself, but a symptom of the problem - that Jinx feels Vi has changed yet feels that how her sister has changed is wrong and must be corrected. Which, well, she has and she does, so its not very illogical thinking on Jinxs part as far as im concerned. This is best evidenced in the quote you've significantly changed, Jinx doesnt say to Vi "I thought you could still love me", she says "I thought you could love me like you used to" which has a world of difference in it. Jinx knows Vi loves her (and loves her in return mind), she wouldnt have bothered asking her to choose between her and someone she functionally cannot have in her life at the same time if she didnt, she wouldve cut her ties and left without a further action. Its that Jinx thinks, or rather knows, that Vi loves an image, an idea, a ghost of what her sister is supposed to be rather than the full person and is doing so without becoming the equivalent image of herself in her own right. This is why Silcos last words to her are so affecting, they're an expression of totally unconditional love from someone who to that point had conditioned his approval and affection solely on her fulfillment of an inauthentic sense of self. This is something that Vi is unable to do because of how her guilt made her cling to an idea of Powder divorced from the continuing development of her sister to the point in which she views her adult self as a prison like shell in which her true sister is trapped within, an idea Jinxes people pleaser attitude to identity and past experiences with the topic - silco directing her to kill her past self to escape its emotional baggage and forge a stronger future self - enable Vi to believe. So no I'm sorry but Vi absolutly made multiple and dramatic, albeit mostly unconscious, decisions regarding her relationship with Powder, Caitlyn and had her soul and character - as well as others view of it - changed in return. Dedicating herself to "Powder" is not as clear cut as it sounds when said dedication is so undercut by attitude and context in the perspective of the person whose loyalty she is trying to win. Even when its not Vis fault that she feels this way, she does in fact decide her course of action based upon the same.
@jigsaw3152 ай бұрын
But true answer is: Nobody can resist a Yordle snap trap with cupcake.