Fighting on Film Podcast: Lee (2024)
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Donald Sutherland Retrospective
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@James-C24
@James-C24 Күн бұрын
Some how KZbin unsubscribed me. Wondered why i hadn't had a notification for a while. Glad to be back!!! Loved the film myself no its not realistic and takes the losest possible interpretation of historical accuracy. The films one of the best for suppressed sten action which you never really get to see.
@FlushedNoob
@FlushedNoob 24 күн бұрын
If you were to tell me 2 years ago that the one of the most apolitical, general audience focused tested movie of 2024 was about a second American civil war movie from a24 I wouldn’t believe you. Truly only a Brit that’s only heard about 2-3 talking points about contemporary American politics could make this movie This movie takes the same tier of geo political knowledge from a movie like “tears of the sun” and applies it to America Truly one of the films of our time
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 Ай бұрын
Admittedly all of these ones are TV mini series but I think a TV mini series has more time to look at a subject with more depth. And if you like “Rogue Heroes “ you would definitely like “Heroes “ and “Heroes” two about the operations of Z special against Singapore harbour in 1943 - 1944.
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 Ай бұрын
My book to move list would be “ My brother Jack “ Tv series slightly better than book. “1915” the TV series is definitely better than the book. And actually makes more sense! Lol. And “The last Bastion “ if you wonder why we Aussies hate Churchill it’s not just over Gallipoli! Lol. It’s the fall of Singapore in 1942 and Churchill diverting the 7th division of the AIF to Burma without telling us. Lol. And finally “Heroes” the commando raids on Singapore operation Jaywick in 1943. Staring Jason Donovan would you believe! Lol. A bit better than the book which is historically inaccurate.
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 Ай бұрын
Other obscure Vietnam war tv shows you might want to consider “Sword of Honour “ not the British one. But one made in Australia in 1986 about a Duntroon cadet who goes to Vietnam in 1966. And his relationship with his girlfriend who is in the protest movement. And the Nicole Kidman series Vietnam made in 1987. Much higher production values and a better script. Filmed in Thailand in 1986.
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 Ай бұрын
The TV movie Hiroshima is pretty good. Well worth a look.
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 Ай бұрын
I prefer the boys in company B but this is an okay movie.
@cumpanions8105
@cumpanions8105 Ай бұрын
I would love to hear your take on Diên Biên Phu (1992). Thats a fantastic film that I for the love of god cant find any behind the scenes info on.
@rickyj5547
@rickyj5547 Ай бұрын
My own sgt rock comic's were better
@johnbattyll6874
@johnbattyll6874 2 ай бұрын
Would like to see the 4 hour cut as well. Be interesting to see the film as intended.
@FightingOnFilm
@FightingOnFilm 2 ай бұрын
Yeah it really would be!
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 2 ай бұрын
There was a bit of a missed opportunity with “Frankies House” the story of Tim Page. The photographer of the Vietnam War from 1965 to 1969. It was not very good! It was filmed in Australia in 1992.
@FightingOnFilm
@FightingOnFilm 2 ай бұрын
Yes, we need to cover that one
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 2 ай бұрын
@@FightingOnFilm Good soundtrack by Jeff Beck filmed in Thailand and Sydney in 1992. Its a two part mini series that you can get on DVD.
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 2 ай бұрын
@@FightingOnFilm The real Tim Page used to live in my town Brisbane. He was not happy about the series he told us. And said they had made up too much stuff and miscast the guy playing Sean Flynn.
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 2 ай бұрын
In Australia a few years ago we had “Parers War” about Damien Parer the World War Two cameraman who filmed Kokoda Frontline in 1942 in New Guinea. (A good one to review ). It focuses on his time with the Independent commandos in July 1943 at Wau ( Kanga Force). It’s a TV but pretty darn good!
@FightingOnFilm
@FightingOnFilm 2 ай бұрын
Oooh that sounds promising.
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 2 ай бұрын
@@FightingOnFilm You won’t regret it it’s really good!
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 2 ай бұрын
@@FightingOnFilm I had friends of mine who played some of the commandos.
@kebabsvein1
@kebabsvein1 2 ай бұрын
Loved the movie. BUt I am slightly biased. They shot on and recieved support from the museumship «D/S Hestmanden» which I am very fond of. She is a survivor of two world wars and still sails in the summer. Those of us in the Norwegian museumship community gets a big giggle when She comes on screen. The film felt a bit «meh» though. The fates /treatment afterwards of what we call «the war sailors» is still a topic that draws controversy.
@Bigrago1
@Bigrago1 2 ай бұрын
Not a movie but Generation War is overrated. As for movies Lone Survivor, Imitation Game, 1955 Dunkirk, 2022 All Quiet on the Western Front and Sink the Bismarck, just to name a few. On your comment of Zulu Dawn I think one of the reasons it doesn't grab is because we know all these men are going to die as well there are too many characters are spread out while in Zulu it's compact.
@FightingOnFilm
@FightingOnFilm 2 ай бұрын
Very true, a lot of characters!
@WW2AboveandBelow
@WW2AboveandBelow 2 ай бұрын
Did something happen with Spotify uploads? Last episode I'm seeing on there is from July 4.
@FightingOnFilm
@FightingOnFilm 2 ай бұрын
We have finally gotten them fixed. Spotify somehow split us into 2 profiles! Check back on Spotify in a day or 2 and it should be sorted (we hope)!
@blue2sco
@blue2sco 3 ай бұрын
Always thought Percy was good in Batasi.
@MarkinThai
@MarkinThai 3 ай бұрын
Tunes of Glory
@Disco_Biscuit_
@Disco_Biscuit_ 3 ай бұрын
I never realised until I watched the film that there were so many steroids in WWII
@terrythomas8482
@terrythomas8482 3 ай бұрын
You need to check out a propergander movie made about a ship my grandad was on during WW2 called "San Demitrio London" from 1943 an amazing true story ❤.
@FightingOnFilm
@FightingOnFilm 2 ай бұрын
That's a new one to me thank you, will seek it out!
@blue2sco
@blue2sco 3 ай бұрын
Got to bring up the PIAT.
@Bigrago1
@Bigrago1 3 ай бұрын
The trailer didn't grab me, but I decided to give the movie a chance when it came on stream, and though it was fun and the acting good, I found this movie a lost opportunity. It's just a lesser, Inglorious Basterds and Dirty Dozen and just keeps running the myth of British commandos and other special forces in WW2 being recruited from prisons. Not to mention, the whole claim of Ian Fleming basing James Bond off of Cavell's character is false from what I could find. And the worst part of the film is when all the high ranking officers are begging Churchill to surrender in 1942. I think I got a headache from all the fadepalming I did.
@FightingOnFilm
@FightingOnFilm 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely in line with our thoughts too!
@johngreen-sk4yk
@johngreen-sk4yk 3 ай бұрын
Just watched it , wasn't impressed. Childish comic book characters killing hoards of cartoon Nazis ! It does no justice to the true story which would have made a far superior film . But what else could we expect from Guy Ritchie
@FightingOnFilm
@FightingOnFilm 3 ай бұрын
Indeed, a real missed opportunity and a disservice to the men involved.
@MegaNato111
@MegaNato111 3 ай бұрын
Here's A wonderful story my late great grandmother always used to tell me. One day after dropping off my grandfather in school, she had some trouble with the car on a small back road near Neath. She's alone, cold, panicking and Wondering what on earth she's going to do. At that moment a long silver car with a figurehead on the bonet (either a Bentley or a Rolls, it used to change every time she told the story) with a chauffeur at the wheel comes around the corner and stops alongside. A voice from the back seat says "is there anything we can do to help my dear?". Out step Richard Attenborough and Simon Ward. They give the car a look over (neither of them know anything about cars it seems) so the chauffeur ends up coming out and getting the car going in about 5 minutes. Must have been on their way to film the train scenes for the movie. As we only live about 5 minutes from the location it was filmed. Every time Richard Attenborough or Simon Ward came on the TV or was mentioned she'd tell this story with a huge smile on her face. It's one of my favourite childhood memories of her.
@johngreen-sk4yk
@johngreen-sk4yk 3 ай бұрын
My main memories of this film in the 1970s after I first saw it ,was pestering my Mum & Dad for a young "Mr" Churchill broomhandle mauser ! Whilst on holiday in skeggy . Lol
@davidsmyth7612
@davidsmyth7612 3 ай бұрын
Great review of a film that deserves to be much better known. I love its authenticity, the cast, the equipment the vehicles. It gives a good representation of the airborne division and its different elements. There is a strong ulster element in the cast reflecting Brian Desmond Hurst's background but this again is authentic as apparently the 2nd Battalion had a strong element from the Royal Ulster Rifles (Martin Middlebrook Arnhem 1944). While sometimes the dialogue is a bit stilted the authenticity of how the soldiers move and act in battle not having the drama injected into most war movies. When you compare to actual combat footage its much more realistic. You should run a show comparing ABTF and this one to bring it to more peoples attention. Enjoyed your chat.
@rdmountford3132
@rdmountford3132 3 ай бұрын
Rob ruins these all the time by constantly interrupting the other one...he does it all the time...ffs let him talk!!
@johngreen-sk4yk
@johngreen-sk4yk 4 ай бұрын
The tanks in full metal jacket weren't quite the right tanks doing the right thing . The producers used m41 walker bulldog light tanks for the movie . By that time, the US marine corps tankers in Vietnam were using m48 pattons at the battle of Hue. Walker bulldogs do make a great stand-in, though 👍
@andreraymond6860
@andreraymond6860 4 ай бұрын
You guys should put 'Weekend at Dunkirk' (Week-End A Zuycoote) on your list of movies to discuss. It's an awesome Jean-Paul Belmondo flick set just down the beach from the Dunkirk evacuation in the resort town of Zuydcoote..
@protea38
@protea38 4 ай бұрын
"Tank" was basically a remake of "Suppose they gave a war and nobody came", with Tony Curtis and Brian Keith from 1970.
@alex7x57
@alex7x57 4 ай бұрын
I'm annoyed that it's seemingly not available to watch online for the USA except for a rip someone uploaded to Archive Dot Org, which although of excellent quality, has distracting foreign language subtitles embedded directly on the video file, and they didn't even have the courtesy to upload a "clean" version.
@johnbattyll6874
@johnbattyll6874 4 ай бұрын
Or captured the Vickers at Narvik.
@JohnyG29
@JohnyG29 4 ай бұрын
Used to love this podcast, but lately Rob is going a bit OTT trying to be 'funny' and talking far too much. Sometimes less is more.
@MegaNato111
@MegaNato111 4 ай бұрын
I know this isnt strictly about the Don, but In kellys heroes, at the 65 ish minute mark when oddball is checking out the bride. I've always wondered why one of his crew is in a British Black Beret and leather jerkin, wearing what might be a pixie suit. Is this guy a runaway from the British army? If not, Who is he? If he is a yank, Why choose to dress this guy up for the movie like that? I'm intrigued
@Swarm509
@Swarm509 4 ай бұрын
Maybe just traded for it? They seemed to be sitting around for some time and are very relaxed about what uniforms they wear. The real answer is probably that costume department used whatever they had, or the actor was British and used what he was familiar with.
@andreraymond6860
@andreraymond6860 4 ай бұрын
Sutherland was well known in Canada for playing Doctor Norman Bethune, not once, but twice. Once in a television docu-drama on the CBC and then in 1990 in a high profile theatrical production. The film co-stars Helen Mirren as Bethune's wife and covers Bethune his early career in Montreal, fighting to introduce socialized medecine, his participation as a medic during the Spanish civil war in 1936, all the way into China during WWII where he died of blood infection.
@FightingOnFilm
@FightingOnFilm 4 ай бұрын
Sounds like something we must seek out thank you!
@peterladner801
@peterladner801 5 ай бұрын
What army would drop paratroopers into a city....on purpose. ugh.
@JohnMcGinty-r1x
@JohnMcGinty-r1x 5 ай бұрын
More and more I rely on small channels like this to help me find good stuff. You guys haven't done me wrong yet.
@Bigrago1
@Bigrago1 5 ай бұрын
I've only ever seen this movie once, and honestly, I was a bid bored. Acting was good, but besides Hawkins and Baker, I couldn't tell any of the characters apart. Though I liked the fact they used an actual Corvette and the sinking scene was well done, the rest of the effects for me were lack luster, especally with the stationary model ships(Sink the Bismarck did it better) during the convoy scenes.
@Bigrago1
@Bigrago1 5 ай бұрын
They have Colin Maud being the Beachmaster of Sword Beach when in reality he was on Juno Beach
@gchecosse
@gchecosse 5 ай бұрын
For some reason I was expecting this to be about "All the Kings Men" (1999), which in my memory was called the Lost Battalion, but obviously wasn't. (I listened to the podcast, so hadn't seen the thumbnail)
@andreraymond6860
@andreraymond6860 5 ай бұрын
While it's a product of its time with all the good and the bad, you just have to watch the beach landing scenes with the grand aeral shots provided by the Luftwaffe pilots flying over to appreciate what an achievement it was. Hundred and hundereds of extras LCTs and other craft seen from the air. Private Ryan skipped over the breadth of the day.
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 5 ай бұрын
It’s an ambitious movie but suffered from the time it was made (1962). So compared to saving private Ryan it’s a very sanitised view of Omaha beach. And the longest day suffered from too many stars I think.
@Bigrago1
@Bigrago1 5 ай бұрын
When I watched these old movies(etc. Sands of Iwo Jima, To Hell And Back and Anzio) as a kid I didn't know anything about WW2 at the time so I always saw these movies(especially the John Wayne ones) as toy or video game movies as everyone looked the same and how death is portrayed in them.
@johnpritchard5410
@johnpritchard5410 5 ай бұрын
"Action in the North Atlantic"?
@johnpritchard5410
@johnpritchard5410 5 ай бұрын
great movie, especially the life raft sequence...
@Elijah-Setters
@Elijah-Setters 6 ай бұрын
Very good
@johnbattyll6874
@johnbattyll6874 6 ай бұрын
You have my deepest sympathises Robbie, on the passing of your father. It is hard but dont try to tough it out. Lean on family, friends, or speak to a professional. Feel what you need to feel, cry if you need but dont panic if you dont, its not a step by step process but it is akin to being a ball in a pinball machine.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 6 ай бұрын
You should watch come and see
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 6 ай бұрын
But I did like Masters of the air it was a great story well told. And did justice to the men of the 8th airforce. My only criticisms are small ones. (1). Not enough time on Rosie. His story is a bit rushed. And (2). Crosby having an affair with a SOE agent in Oxford was a bit distracting in my opinion. (3). Operation thunderclap the raids on Dresden and Berlin in February 1945. Could have been looked at in more detail. The book of the series devoted at least two chapters to it. (4). The politics of the bombing campaign- Eaker was sacked because of the high loses in 1943. That was never referred to or Le May visiting the 100th because of moral problems. (5) No sight of the Me 262 Jet fighters in 1945 ? It would have been nice if the series had looked at them and if the jets were a game changer for the Germans. But apart for my nerd criticisms I thought this was an excellent series ( I actually thought it was better than The Pacific!).
@scotttaylor7767
@scotttaylor7767 6 ай бұрын
I liked the series hopefully it will encourage a similar one about bomber command. I wonder what became of Peter Jackson’s remake of The Dam Busters? I could see a whole series about 617 Sqd from 1943 to the end of the war. And you might want to check out the old 1972 series “The Pathfinders” for future shows.
@Sonofdonald2024
@Sonofdonald2024 7 ай бұрын
This series gets progressively worse. If it isn't the unlikable characters the terrible CGI the script written by ten year olds with every crew member screaming at the top of their voices despite having wired Comms. The air battles appear to have the structure of a Star wars movie with spectacle over any sense of realism. And will they stop this nonsense about the US not hitting civilian targets it is well known that the accuracy was little better than bomber command. The creators of the show appear to want to ignore the reality in the hope of painting this pretty picture of the eighth not inflicting many civilian casualties..I don't have issue with the casualties as difficult as it is to stomach it was a war after all and these things happened