because the pay is LOW

Excellent discussion. Networking is evolving & will always remain relevant.

I do I really do I hope I can learn this I love it so far what I like about it it’s the behind the scenes and it’s commands and actually physical with cables servers switches etc I always like it’s factual one thing cleared me is AI will it do the work but then I thought all that AI power needs a network to work

OpenAI acquired Rockset(te) because it got “The Look” 😉

IT operations and vendors have replaced a lot of network engineers. You can rent an engineer for a few days a week. A lot of work shifted to operations due to NMS, automation, and redundancy. A network can be run by IT operators, DevOps, vendor account team, and a senior designer. In-house engineers are needed when there are complex SDN issues, routing with providers, client server events, troubleshooting with vendors. There is no reduction in complexity, it just gets shifted or masked. I would argue complexity has increased, and engineers are more reliant on vendors for support.

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I just got started in networking , not a lot of experience but I am studying and learning the basics now and planning on taking my CCNA . Do you think it’s a good first cert

This was a great conversation, thank you!

Very good 🎉

Very cool and informative convo. Thank you!

Microsoft has doubled down on their infiniband deployment in Azure with their HPC clusters for AI workloads.

I honestly thought this was going to be a video about 3 network engineers explaining why they don’t like networking. Instead, they are referencing more about how it’s changed relating to cyber security and cloud. Great perspective! Good video!

I'm 42 and just started studying for my CCNA, I know cloud has the cooler jobs now a days, I dont care, I like networking and Im starting from the ground up.

This was great I just passed my CCNA and I feel I have a lot more to learn. I want to be a Network Engineer

very insightful!

weekend work and slow raises? noooo thanks. run your business wo me!😂

If you need a big infrastructure upgrade before you can use AI, how can Palantir's AI boot camps be giving quick results?

People want jobs. Network engineering is not thought about because no one talks about network engineering. It's that simple.

15:20 is exactly correct.

I really enjoyed this talk. Thanks!

But let's be honest, gamification of skills/learning for cyber is highly promoted. "Cyber" is just a fancier term the younger audience

I'm an IT newcomer and I have tried reaching out to the IT team in my market numerous times. They are all Network/telecom engineers and they could care less about my interest.

Thanks guys...But still the traditional NOCE is dead

0:50 made my day

Interesting podcast

Great Episode!

Great discussion. I think one of the main reasons people gravitate towards software engineering, cloud, devops etc is because most of those positions become fully remote once you have sufficient experience. Network engineering positions around me often require you to be on site or even at several locations. Sys admin position I interviewed for required me to drive 50 miles every Friday to their secondary office. Everyone wants to work in pajamas nowadays.

Here's a few cents I would like to share with you,gents. Since network manufacturers like Cisco have been able to facilitate products with a very user friendly GUI for equipment such as routers and switches, configuring those network equipment will not require an engineer to do so, and its sad. Not only it has become easier to build networks, but also the rise of AI will allow non-engineers to deploy and manage networks. And lastly, this one will trigger employers, they are NOT well paid. In fact, the majority of the IT roles are being well underpaid in states where the cost of life is high like Florida, California, and New York. Think about how much does a Net Eng gets paid in those states vs how is the cost of life.

Where is network chuck? He talked about his on his channel. Its true Networking is just part of the trifecta that is the compTIA stack. (A+ Network+ cybersecurity+) BUT.. Networking often gets overlooked for cybersecurity for multipule reasons. The biggest one being that cybersecurity being shoved down everyone throats on a daily. Form having some large infrastructure hacked to movies and tv series (Mr.Robot) being produced its safe to say that not only is cybersecurity trendy by there is just as much job security as any network engineer. There's also large dollar amounts being throw around for salaried and freelancing cybersecurity specialist. When people hear about a "hack" in current year its never discussed how someone from the other side of the world got into someone elses system without physically being there. It would be great to hear that hackers got into someones network but was shutdown by the network engineers or complex networking A.I.

as the saying goes true to this day "Unsung Heroes of the Internet" you know who you are brothers 👊😌

Thanks for this. Will see if you have something about income as well. Was hoping you would touch on it in this video.

I was hoping for one intervenant saying "i have no twixtter account"

What? We have hundreds of network engineers in our company. I think the big shift I’ve seen is with cloud. With cloud, a lot of infra responsibilities, including networking, has shifted to dev teams as they deploy entire stacks including all their application artifacts. It’s used to be you put in a ticket and would be notified when the network components were there and the network was up. That’s a huge shift, but one that is required to properly leverage cloud for better time to market. Devs aren’t really interested in infra. I’m a cloud lead at one of the largest companies in the world, and what I can see if that developers don’t deploy optimized applications in cloud because of their lack of knowledge and interest in infra and cost can quickly become an issue. That’s when you need the infra expertise. So in summary, I think the need for networking expertise is still there, but it’s shifted and there is less specialization.

Really enjoyed this. As an IT professional (with limited networking knowledge) it's nice to hear what networking professionals think of networking in the modern day.

4:16 is what i tell so many people who expect to just jump into cyber sescurity

The reason why network engineering is not cool anymore is that they are not needed anymore; switching and routing has been virtualized and software defined, i.e SD-WAN. The shift to the cloud makes Network Engineers largely redundant. You don't need to know routing protocols anymore or low level details etc., its all as a service now.

If the network gurus could just stop being so selfish about information/knowledge, it would be as attractive as other skills.

I'm inspired to go back to networking.

Great discussion guys

How can you want to be a Network Engineer or Systems Engineer when all the job postings are wanting 5-6 years experience just for a jr admin role that pays 50k a year.. Nobody is going to want that.

It's not that being a network engineer is a less shiny role than being a cloud engineer or working in cyber security. It's that being a network engineer pays less. In my city a mid level network engineer with a CCNP makes about $75k per year, when cloud engineers & SOC Analysts make $100k plus.

Wow I really enjoyed this, I am one the rare people who actually wants to do network engineering, currently studying for my Net+ then I’ll be starting on my CCNA

Nice video

Great panel, guys. And that's a really high light switch behind Tom.

I enjoy watching and listening to the guests, and I love the closing remarks from the host. Networking can never be obsolete.

43K views and not even a single comment , very strange, Thanks for such a great debate, again at the end of day whatever you want to be first understand the basics, Just think in a fraction of second you create an EC2 instance but these all cools stuff is in Datacenter where the physical devices exists and some great network engineers working on them on day to day basis.

As someone who is interested about network, bearded guy was on point. Ppl get used to it beeing always working

this is depressing

The thing I noticed in the utility industry for network engineering is the evolution towards cyber security. Many of the jobs I see want a network engineer to also be the cyber security analyst. This is pushing me away from IT in general. I just want to do networks. I would rather have a cyber guy to recommend changes rather than me trying to make sure things secure. Or rather, I don't want to configure firewalls and deal with certs and want the SIEM. I want to configure the routers, switches, and VPNs. Everything else just feels like extra work that I don't have time for :)

I’m working on my CCNA and Python and currently working as a network engineer. We install servers, cables, security cameras, telco, it’s my favorite job. It’s such a rewarding career too! Ultimately I wanna work towards network automation and SDN