He should’ve had her out and let her make no choices. Never should’ve married her to begin with and passed the throne on.

@@mrthanos8140 I just find it so hypocritical that she's constantly on Rhaenyras ass about Viserys favoritism, when Alicent herself gets special treatment all the fucking time.

thought she said "burn the septa"

And having an ongoing sexual affairs with Criston Cole and some feet-fetish act with Larys Strong...ew.

Okay young Alicent had no choice and she was clearly miserable and upset about having to marry Viserys. Say what you want about her marrying her children to each other when she gets older but Young Alicent was a victim

They have to in order to show the passage of time. They also switched up Laenor's actor because he was around the same age as Rheanyra.

Hear her out for what Alicent started it tf

It's reality. Females have no solidarity or loyal bone towards their own gender.

​@@Ariana-wv4pfLike men have any room to talk about loyalty and solidarity. Men are 20× more likely to kill each other over the littlest of offenses and that is scientific fact.

I learned that. The hard way

@@alasdairmacleod7769🙏🏿 me 2

THIS

Truth. The worst part is, she swears on the memory of her mother, when Alicent's love of her own dead mother was such a sore spot. No wonder Alicent "declares war". (Green supporter here. Know the show tries to slant things so we like the Blacks and only the Blacks, but I prefer Green, especially since Rhaenyra acts all innocent at all times and then treats others like they're awful.)

She had no choice

@@KunoBu She had a choice. She could have said that she went into the brothel with him, that they did have wine, etc; Sure, Criston outed her later because of his need to regain his honor, but the lie was what did it. Because Rhaenyra lied, not only did she have Otto sent away(for something she was pretty much guilty of), but she lied on the memory of her mother(remember that Alicent was very vulnerable about her mother, which she explained to Viserys about and how she convinced Rhaenyra to pray for her own mother)and in the Godswood, their special place. Just sayin'.

@@phousefilms admitting to any wrong doing even though it's her rapey uncle to blame would mean running her and her claim. Allicent knows that. Rhaenyra lost her mom too.

@@KunoBu Like, saying, sleeping with a man not her husband and having three bastards? Or being indignant at being accused of what she definitely did? Lol.

My theory is since everyone keeps talking about how Alicent was doing what her father was telling her. I think Alicent, naturally would not have befriended Rhaenyra otherwise. She only befriended Rhae because Otto pushed her to it. Rhae was around her age (younger by a year IIRC)...Perhaps she did end up liking Rhaenyra but I think if Alicent is the type who just does everything told (duty), then tsk, yeah, it was not her choice to befriend Rhaenyra as well.

Kkkkkkkkkkkk

They weren't lesbians. I mean, there is nothing sexual in their closeness. And Raenyra lusts after men and sleeps with them against her better judgment. They were childhood friends turned enemies. Happens all the time.

I hate it when Actors like to change the lore of the books, they were absolutely not in love (But the show and the book is different so you could argue)

​@@MrMustache-yn4zmwomp womp

@@MrMustache-yn4zm like you said it is free for interpretation in the series. Their bond was almost romantic to me

She was groomed by her father, this isn't the 21st century were she could girl boss all over Otto and watch empowering feminist tik tok. She had to obey, she bit her nails and was stressed obviously the context clues of a nervous kid being forced into something abhorrent. But keep sucking on that copium.

??? Alicent didn’t seduce Rhaenyra’s father. Otto was the one who manipulated them into getting married and all their interactions. Rhaenyra is well aware she was forced into this, 5:58 is a prime of example. Rhaenyra realizes she’s being insensitive complaining about having to get married and forced to have heirs when she realizes that’s what happened to Alicent. She silently holds Alicent’s hand as a way of apologizing. It’s not a black and white situation. Rhaenyra is upset Alicent married her dad but knows she had no choice in the matter. Alicent knows she has to do her duty but still wanted to be friends with Rhaenyra. Sadly once they became adults their relationship completely broke apart.

@@RedTunaRoll Alicent went to him several nights after his wives birth to get him interested in her use your brain

@@peachbunnys01 That was Otto's doing. Otto was the one who literally pimped his daughter out, episode 2 and 3 showcase this. He knew it was his chance to put the Hightowers into power and used his daughter. This show isn't black or white with one party being good and one party being bad. Literally rewatch 5:58 with Rhaenerya knowing Alicent had no choice in the matter.

fans of this franchise really do not have any media literacy because how do you blame a literal teenager over the many grown men that forced them to be in this situation in the first place

Her father wanted her to seduce the king to give him power, she wasn’t even considered a candidate until she started showing up at the kings room at night. She chose to do this and keep it a secret from her friend

That’s not Rhaenyra fault and she owes nothing to Alicent especially not honesty

@@peachbunnys01 no she doesn’t. She has every right to take every emotional outlet and advantage she can. But imagine how excruciating it much have been for Alicent to watch. There’s a special kind of hell that comes from watching someone you love get everything you want.

@@juliamiller5120 Alicent is a awful friend and person, you don’t get to take your shit out on your past friend because YOU did something to her. Alicent chose to seduce her friends father

Rhaenyra also lied to Alicent in the Godswood(their special place, though Alicents gods are the Seven)and swore on the memory of her mother that she was innocent of everything(which was already a sore spot for Alicent, who loved her mother so dearly and shared how she prayed for her). Alicent was fully justified in becoming angry with Rhaenyra. I just think it's ridiculous how Rhaenyra later demands the Targaryen sons be questioned "harshly"(aka tortured)to learn where they learned to call her Strongs "bastards". Rhaenyra:"How dare you say something true?"

I agreee

I feel for Alicent more. - Viscerys was essentially her rapist -Rhaneyra betrayed her trust -Viscerys clearly didn't have much love for her children. All of that to say, I get why she ends up resenting R.

Although I appreciate useful critiques of patriarchy, I will say that it's tiring to strip women of their autonomy. Regardless of their relative power to men, these women did have choices and made them on their own accord. Being flawed is not an indication of evil, it is the state of being human. Women even during the centuries of European royalty these books borrowed from had some agency, and they utilized it. Catherine the Great and Empress Elizabeth before her were women who existed within the lens of a patriarchal system that pushed against them. Yet their choices were their own, and to claim every decision they made to be a reaction to patriarchy, rather than an expression of their own cleverness within the world they lived in, is insulting and reduces women to the archetype of 'maiden in distress.'

I mean Rhaenyra owes her no truth or loyalty anyway when Alicent kept the secret of her seduction of the king her father asked her to do or their ongoing relationship

@@peachbunnys01 alicent had no choice. rhaenyra only lied to save herself from a potentially deadly mistake. in their world it would be catastrophic for the criston affair to get out. criston himself would get executed and rhaenyra would get disinherited. all of this is made perfectly clear so why leave it out, and mislead people?

Agreed! A definite improvement from the book, where Alicent is about a decade older than Rhaenyra, and there appears to an evil-step-mother-undermining-step-daughter vibe to their relationship from the start.

@@Mj_Jetson it's one of the few alterations from the books I like

@@jwiese100same, actually humanizes her a bit

My hope is they become friends again before they die.

No one is Cersei

she had no choice.

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 She had a choice, but she chose to follow her father's bidding. She was sneaking around to see Viserys in private, per her father's commands and while she could've told Rhaenyra about it (since y'know, allegedly they're besties. Imo, Rhaenyra thought Alicent was her best friend but Alicent, seemed to just follow her father's command and let herself befriended by the princess--she might end up feeling friendly toward Rhaenyra, but it might not be of her own volition too). If Rhaenyra had known Alicent was meeting her father in private, I'm sure she'd have to say something or done something drastic. It might not end with Alicent being married to her father. But Alicent made the choice to follow her father's bidding and aimed for the 'highest' she could, by marrying the King.

@@tracys169 which is to say no real choice at all. thats like saying tony had a choice whether or not to snap thanos. you can pretend like its a real "either or" all you want. but its no real either or. there is millions of children and teens all over the world, especially in conservative areas, who would choose their father's command over their best friend liking them. however much it hurts. however much their friend may end up hating them for it. the king can do as he likes and he seemed pretty set on marrying alicent. ironically as you try to give alicent undue agency, you ripped away all agency from viserys

Yes! It really shows us how much Alicent has changed as a person and tried to assimilate into the Targaryen family It's interesting but ultimately she was right at the beginning, Targaryen's are siiiickkkkk in the heeeeeeaaaddd for thinking incest is OK

Viserys wed them

@@nicksmithnutmilk in the books? Cause I know In the show there was the opportunity for Helaena to wed Jacaerys and Viserys was all for it and Alicent scoffed at the idea

@@baranovam yeah in the books

@@baranovam It's unclear who wed them, besides marrying her to Jace can easily hold her hostage

She's the Queen she's actually above Rhaenyra in status and behind Viserys so.... her position left her untouched. Also it was in the interest of all to not cause fuss about it, cause acting against alicent would make both sides clash even further increasing the tensions even further and no one wanted that... it was already at the roof.

Because if the king executed the queen Alicent Hightower it would have caused a huge rebellion and possibly war and it would bring more attention to rhaenyras sons being bastards which is what Visarys didn't want

@@Alejojojo6she’s not above the Crowned Heir even if she’s Queen, since she’s basically the King’s Bitch

@@jeremyhamilton2639Alicent should have been killed for attempted murder on tne Crowned Princess and Heir

@@Alejojojo6no she’s not. The heir is above her. Rhaenyra literally outranks her.

Daemon was right on the money about that one.

Otto isn't the only one to blame. Viserys isn't a child. He had every power not to marry Alicent, but he was a disgusting pedo who was lusting over his teenage daughter's best friend.

And Rhaenyra. Especially Rhaenyra. She lied to her friend, betrayed people who put their faith in her and wanted children tortured for telling the truth about her adultery and everyone ignores that part.