Good discussion. I've kind of gotten obsessed about this subject area that the movie portrays through the friendship story that happened in real life too. I love these older gritty and realistic movies, they just hit in a different manner. And like you said, very important movie. Khmer Rouge's genocide act has not been talked enough, maybe because it's complicated mess, and started from wrong assumptions and decisions by western countries. Movie was cast perfectly, none of the actors felt cheesy or wrong/bad, and some of the actors for Khmer Rouge officials felt genuinely chilling. For british movie, this felt like a proper Hollywood movie, it didn't have that TV-movie quality to it that some british films tend to have. You also gotta give props to the actors, that they went through real stuff in this movie, like that effect bomb exploding just next to them in that cafe, or Prah going through that rice field with the dirty water like it's nothing. Wouldn't be allowed nowadays because insurance reasons, especially effect explosions like that. About the score, I gotta say too that it's little weird and out of place in some scenes. Especially the music during the kidnap scene with the guys, where they are ran into quieter location and looted, was awful (they could have just used a piece of that gloomy synth strings that some songs had in them, and it would have worked instantly way better). But the score has some highlights though, and some tracks are supposed to present chaotic feelings that people went through during certain moments (evaquation-scene music for example is supposed to be chaotic and weird). Maybe Oldfield could have come up with better stuff had he had time and better gear available, and better co-operation with the director and editor. As for the impact, it seems that it lacks littlebit of shock value. It's not completely without that, but the latter half of the movie definitely is lacking on that front too much. But I guess this was done in good taste of that time, so stuff was just indicated mostly. None of the Khmer Rouge's most horrific, barbaric executions were not shown for that reason. Interestingly, Pol Pot was also never shown in this movie, nor even mentioned. And the lack of timeline info also hurts, you lose the track of when things happen in the movie (could have just put dates on some scenes to indicate that how much time has passed, what period the movie is currently going though).
@forgottencinema7 күн бұрын
Thank you! And yes, agree with your entire comment. There are so many good things in this film and it's greatest impact is that we still talk about it and the true life events the film depicts.
@fiddleferme20 күн бұрын
I thought you were going to show the movie.
@forgottencinema20 күн бұрын
Kind of not allowed to do that. But if you can find it, highly recommend you check it out.
@jasoncall2648Ай бұрын
Stephen Wright?! No. Vincent Schiavelli.
@forgottencinemaАй бұрын
Yes! We realized our error. We need fact checkers. Lord help us if we get a Dermot Mulroney or Dylan McDermott movie.
@dkazmer2Ай бұрын
I like 3, probably over ALIENS. Or it's a very close third. I suppose A.Rez vid is coming..
@forgottencinemaАй бұрын
Wow. Alien 3 over Aliens? Interesting. And yes, you can expect eps on Alien: Resurrection, Alien vs. Predator, AvP: Requiem, Prometheus, andAlien: Covenant. We also did a Now Showing episode of Alien: Romulus which is out already. Thanks for watching!
@dkazmer2Ай бұрын
@@forgottencinema Yes, 3 returns to the contained, haunted house motif of the first film that I loved so much. Immersion is paramount to me, above the continuity of supposedly beloved characters. Yes, it was cheap to kill them off like that, but look at it this way: no one else from the first film continued on in the second. Also, Rez continues in the same vein...somewhat, and I like it for its own identity, but I don't consider that canon.
@pj_ama2359Ай бұрын
@@dkazmer2 i don't think it was cheap to kill them off. I think an alien on the ship, the ship crashing, then showing all the destruction was so fun. I loved the quick cuts of showing the dead bodies. it reminded me of Evangelion or something. Aliens felt like a movie for babies, like i was watching Jurassic Park in space or something.
@CMDR_VermАй бұрын
I promised myself before I entered this comment that I would not be rude or overly critical of your video but you both leave yourselves wide open for it. Firstly, as a short filmography of Harry Dean Stanton (RIP) that was insulting. What about ''Paris, Texas''? Then you wonder how the audience ''took in'' this movie back when it was first released. Well, I was 17 at the time and was able to see it at the cinema (which was packed). You've got to remember that this was pre-internet, nothing was being published in advance of its release even in the magazines. A tight lid was put on any excerpts shown. The one major detail that was known - at least to those of us who cared - was that H.R. Giger had a large input and, at my school, Giger was a known quantity. He had done album covers for bands (Emerson, Lake and Palmer's ''Brain Salad Surgery'' for instance) and many of us owned ''Giger's Necronomicon''. The fact that his monstrosities were going to be given form on film seemed beyond belief and this made my friends and myself take this movie seriously. I remember the cinema audience that day (night?) were very quiet as the film began and it stayed that way until we saw the derelict, shortly followed by the Space Jockey. At that point it was as if we all knew we were in for something different, hardcore if you like. We were right lol. If anyone already knew what ''Cosmic Horror'' was, they didn't mention it. I know now ofc. I'll skip over the obvious screams that accompanied the face-hugger and chestburster to say nobody seemed to expect Ash to be an android. His decapitation scene made everyone gasp. Veronica Cartwright IMHO deserved an Oscar for her death scene, it still scares the shit out of me. After all these years (I'm 62 now) Alien still remains my favourite. The amount of detail that went into the Nostromo interiors and exteriors means it became real on that day and remains so. If you didn't want to know what it was like back then, I apologise, but hopefully there are others who remember it similarly.
@forgottencinemaАй бұрын
Of course we want to know what it was like when it came out. Thanks for the insight. As for Harry Dean Stanton’s filmography, sometimes we have to make choices on what movies to mention. But again, thanks for sharing that movie fact! And thank for listening!
@dkazmer2Ай бұрын
Where's _ALIEN 3_ video?
@forgottencinemaАй бұрын
As I type this….sometime this afternoon. Stay tuned! We did them all! Yes, even the AvP ones.
@forgottencinemaАй бұрын
Here it is! Go! Now! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmqUo2h3aZymibc
@dkazmer2Ай бұрын
It's _couldn't* care less_ 23:10
@forgottencinemaАй бұрын
Ah yes. Indeed it is. We assure you that we have made many more egregious errors in other episodes.
@alexdhuna9819Ай бұрын
Good podcast.
@forgottencinemaАй бұрын
Thanks for listening!
@LaurenLAWDAWGlockdownАй бұрын
❤❤❤Belzer Wicked cool how he played himself in L&O. Real Critical Thinker ❤
@forgottencinemaАй бұрын
He carried that character over from Homicide: Life on the Street!
@barbarabutler997Ай бұрын
You want to know how the original audience felt after the movie was over? I cried hysterically to the guy who took me to this movie. Because it was the most intense horrific thing I had ever seen.
@derekseven1647Ай бұрын
Night shift was an instant classic the day it came out I saw it and it blew me away
@barbarabutler997Ай бұрын
You should read The book "Flowers for Algernon".
@forgottencinemaАй бұрын
One of us (Field) did a very long time ago
@iamdragonettaАй бұрын
Who forgot Night of the Comet? Not me! I love that movie! ❤
@forgottencinemaАй бұрын
Darn right! We do, too!
@brettscott17972 ай бұрын
Enjoy your guys’ breakdowns of cabin in the woods. I have used this as a casual watch with avid horror watchers, AND as an intro to horror movies. Helps that it stays pretty light, even as the apocalypse begins
@forgottencinema2 ай бұрын
Thanks for giving us a listen! And totally see how this film can open doors for other horror movies with all the references to other horror IPs.
@ladycenobia51473 ай бұрын
Oh no! RIP Mr Ghost lol. Loved the review. I agree about rule sets in movies. I think it helps with the immersion to understand what an entity can do or at the very least what it can't do. I think I would have liked this movie better if it had gone in more of a surrealist direction, but I at least thought it was a fun watch. First time watching one of your vids, will deff check out more!
@forgottencinema3 ай бұрын
That definitely makes sense. And thanks for giving us a shot. We love talking movies!
@arguingwithmyself16043 ай бұрын
Amazing.
@nickstella88853 ай бұрын
Well done sir, I'm in my late 40s and went through through this for 9 months
@jfox35083 ай бұрын
The wife went and got a better high paying job b/c the West has lost it’s mind and men have little chance of getting that cushy air-conditioned positioned so that our women can laugh and disrespect us as we build and maintain the infrastructure
@sethdrake93603 ай бұрын
SOOOO Glad this exists, love rango, really feels like peak nickelodeon as a movie and with johnny depp, great animation
@JJMadsen-gc3ux3 ай бұрын
It’s meant to be a mess and that why it’s great it’s exactly what it wants to be.
@forgottencinema3 ай бұрын
Agreed! That's Butler's exact point. He loves it that way.
@arguingwithmyself16043 ай бұрын
This movie got buried by the other releases at the time and poor reviews probably deterred audiences from seeing it. I definitely need to rewatch this. BUT, if my nostalgia for it is wrong, I’m blaming you both!
@forgottencinema3 ай бұрын
We'll take that heat! There are some decent things happening in this film, but they're overshadowed by far too many missteps. But rewatch it, for sure! Let us know.
@barbarabutler9974 ай бұрын
can't stop laughing
@barbarabutler9976 ай бұрын
Your mom has a great sense of humor and loves silly stuff!
@terrimobley60676 ай бұрын
It's awful
@Abonanno246016 ай бұрын
Its Revenge of the Sith.
@forgottencinema6 ай бұрын
Interesting. First time we've hard that reference. We like it.
@Abonanno246016 ай бұрын
@@forgottencinema butt still, best movie I've seen in almost 30 years
@getsbuckets6 ай бұрын
Maybe less talking piss and get on with the reviews
@forgottencinema6 ай бұрын
Great feedback. Talking piss does tend to occur more than it should.
@arguingwithmyself16047 ай бұрын
For Your Consideration…
@arguingwithmyself16047 ай бұрын
I honestly thought Field would’ve tried to use a water-filled helmet for Butler…missed opportunity?
@forgottencinema7 ай бұрын
Dammit! That would’ve been a good one. We need to get a budget for these things.
@arguingwithmyself16047 ай бұрын
@@forgottencinema No budget. I’m thinking a Pyrex bowl and when you’re done, return the bowl. 😏
@barbarabutler9977 ай бұрын
I agree with James Cameron's ability to make the best films. True Lies, Avatar, The Abyss😊, Terminator.....
@barbarabutler9977 ай бұрын
Sometimes, allowing the extra time of the movie let's our emotions be more real.
@barbarabutler9977 ай бұрын
It wasn't bootlegged!!! At that time, you could record anything on VHS!
@forgottencinema7 ай бұрын
Yeah, Butler! Your parents are decent folk!
@barbarabutler9977 ай бұрын
I guess I'm seeing it when it streams. 😢
@barbarabutler9977 ай бұрын
Love the thumbnail!
@barbarabutler9977 ай бұрын
Nice thumbnail
@bigheavyshoe7 ай бұрын
Don't dose people without their knowledge, kids.
@barbarabutler9978 ай бұрын
Love ya! Can't wait for more!
@TheCrab900008 ай бұрын
Its a consistent rewatch. Just a fun turn your brain iff movie
@forgottencinema8 ай бұрын
💯
@arguingwithmyself16048 ай бұрын
Welcome BACK, boys!
@dwartbg18 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was looking for, wanted to hear a podcast about it after watching the movie. Thank you!
@forgottencinema8 ай бұрын
Awesome! That’s great to hear.
@_TheDemonicTutor_9 ай бұрын
Well, people now days honestly are looking for more serious distraction. Not just something that makes them laugh or relax, but also feel something. Sometimes its hard just to feel something other tgan empty.
@forgottencinema9 ай бұрын
Understandable. But when we walk into a theater about two giant monsters, we're not looking for anything serious. Our expectation is an escapism form of entertainment. Obviously, there's always a place for the type of movies you're talking about. There's room for all!
@barbarabutler9979 ай бұрын
Show Chase. Like Showcase?😅
@forgottencinema9 ай бұрын
Yes?
@barbarabutler9979 ай бұрын
The lava lamp is evil?
@forgottencinema9 ай бұрын
Of course
@fp30e9 ай бұрын
Ghostbusters Frozen Empire (for me) was awful. Too much CGI, and not a lot happening. But will it make a profit for the studio.
@forgottencinema9 ай бұрын
That will be interesting to see how that shakes out, box office-wise. Will it make enough to warrant a new movie? Not sure.
@barbarabutler9979 ай бұрын
Deleted my favorite comedy???? I'm the Producer!
@barbarabutler9979 ай бұрын
Fantasy selection? And don't make fun of Real Steel!!😂😂😂❤
@forgottencinema9 ай бұрын
We love Real Steel!
@fp30e9 ай бұрын
Personally I never liked Ghostbusters Frozen Empire. Too much CGI and nothing new.
@forgottencinema9 ай бұрын
Fair point.
@travisgray83769 ай бұрын
Ludwig Göransson did the music score for Oppenheimer not Hans Zimmer
@forgottencinema9 ай бұрын
Yes! Butler is always trying to give Zimmer extra kudos. Thank you!
@travisgray83769 ай бұрын
@@forgottencinema no worries all good cheers
@travisgray83769 ай бұрын
God Emperor of Dune is my favourite Dune book and I'll probably never get to see an adaptation of my favourite Dune novel and I have to deal with that lol
@travisgray83769 ай бұрын
Denis Villeneuve is stopping after dune messiah I think that's a mistake cuz honestly that ending is not an complete ending that's children of dune ending wish Denis Villeneuve would finish dune franchise with an adaptation of children of dune.
@forgottencinema9 ай бұрын
Hope the third film has some kind of ending and not open. Maybe if they pile enough $ in front of Denis, he’ll get to Children of Dune.
@travisgray83769 ай бұрын
@@forgottencinema I feel like Denis Villeneuve isn't the type to be convinced when it comes to these type of decisions I feel like if he's never gonna do a extended edition of both dune movies or release deleted scenes as a bonus I see he would never go back on his idea of doing the first 2 books into 3 films whatever he does I just hope it's not an Frankenstein mess mixing children of dune with dune messiah I rather have one faithful dune story then them cutting apart two great novels just to tell one story on film ukno but the fact that Denis Villeneuve had thought this idea out even before he shot part 1 must mean he has a good way of ending it by the way he ended part 2 I would think it will end similar same plot points like the novel but how we get to each event may be different like how part 2 is similar to second half but diverged in certain ways for the same events to conspire just differently I would assume he would do the same with dune messiah but again I rather have a faithful adaptation of messiah then having a Frankenstein of a movie using bits of 2 novels which if terrible will permanently stain the public consciousness on the sequel novels