I wanna try cooler now that topku is gone is this still the version you think would work I was thinking of mecha freiza package
@captain.america4359Ай бұрын
Now that the ban list comin soon, ya gotta stack up to 3-4 Scrs and 3-4 Double striker Freezers. The Scr is what makes ya win vs Green and Blue. And if im you I would get 2-4 of the Cooler Extra card that gives you 20k power and rests someone for a turn.
@The_BlvckSunАй бұрын
Will be cool to see U7 take off after the ban announcement
@mohamedhennaoui70872 ай бұрын
Scrap the 2 cost gokus and put in 4 cost gotenks. It will make the deck far better. The gotenks grabbing 15 k from drop is underrated. You ll probably grab them 3 times one 1 game.
@LegionaryDiamond2 ай бұрын
lol this was a funny one !
@chicken3122812 ай бұрын
Big ol' Green screen at 6m mark Also, SENZU BEAN
@sirbaht2 ай бұрын
The Frieza 4 drop is really good imo, and the golden frieza scr is not good in this meta, you will fight topku 90% of the time and you will not play it, that card would have been awesome in set 1 meta.
@JohnnyPaco812 ай бұрын
Errata SR Kelfa and Broly to remove the draw and balance out the game
@yuseifido57062 ай бұрын
Great video guys. Love to see in-depth discussions from knowledgeable players. I think roshi ban is great. I would also ban ribrianne just to make sure topku isn't still a problem. Also getting hit with a double striker for 1 just doesn't feel good from an enjoyment perspective.
@chicken3122812 ай бұрын
I senz a bean
@Neias932 ай бұрын
I have kind of an unpopular opinion. I dont think topku is straight up tier 0, in every game that ive played has been complete auto pilot where the only time the deck loses is when its in a mirror i honestly think its .5 just because if you mess up the deck really punishes you. Other than that i agree with the majority of the points you hit even though personally id probably ban somethingn other than kefla or the leader.
@ryancook93952 ай бұрын
They just showed st 05 black.
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
Yeah this was recorded Wednesday unfortunately haha
@ryancook93952 ай бұрын
all good man. keep up the good work! hope you grow on here.
@gekikudo2 ай бұрын
I think the biggest problem with the format is that it's just a horrible look for the game. On top of the client being super scummy on giving out cards and hard to get product, it's so damning for the health of the game to have such an early, oppressive and unfun format. Like I get what's being said about the more competitive scene, but that'll matter less and less if the current trend keeps up with locals shutting down because nobody wants to play against topku
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
It's true but every TCG has had these moments at one point or another. I've lived through multiple with DBS Masters and it was FAR worse than this lol
@gekikudo2 ай бұрын
@@RahlTCG For sure. But the problem here is how early into the game it is in a renaissance of card games. People are more likely to jump ship when its not even the only DBZ game around.
@MarkMessick-vk1my2 ай бұрын
The best way to nerf topku without completely killing it is probably errata Kefka Sr permanent to work in all areas
@yuseifido57062 ай бұрын
@@MarkMessick-vk1my Choice restricting kefla and topku so you cant play both would have the same effect without needing to errata anything
@odysseusanime6292 ай бұрын
This game is not a good example to illustrate if this deck is good or not since Topku low rolled hard.
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
Read the description bud haha! I know Cooler isn't Tier 0 lol
@dekomori81272 ай бұрын
At 17:31 I honestly think you should have not summoned bulma and just summon 4 drop goku, and swing face and locking the whole board, then you combo the supernova with the one mana forcing 30k out of his hand and basically the 2 cards he got from life, and I strongly believe you’ll survive next turn, reason why I think this is better play is cuz the supernova has no value next turn to help you defend anyways so just make him throw hand size and he will end up with 4 hand size and struggle to even board control you unless he wants to have no hand next turn with literally one health
@susanoproductions49122 ай бұрын
He couldn’t grab something of glimpse because I believe glimpse says you need a battle card with 30k or more. He bumped the leader so he doesn’t get the add back
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
Ah yeah! always forget that little bit!
@JohnnyPaco812 ай бұрын
The easiest way to nerf/balance Topku is to remove the draw from SR Kelfa. The fact it replaces itself is what causes so much pressure. Removing the draw will make it harder for them to aggro and to defend the following turn
@dekomori81272 ай бұрын
I agree, draw card effect is the stupidest overused effect in the game, even 8 cost broly in green also, like wtf you can Ko any card and swing twice with 45k and you still want to draw a card for whatever the fuck reason, like it looks so out of place and clearly too extra, and now kefla also HOWEVER sadly for you that’s not what makes kefla too op, with or without draw card, the problem lies in the leader being able to summon kefla for the cost of one
@frafra402 ай бұрын
I think the simplest way to nerf Kefla would be just to raise her basic attack damage so you can't use Goku skill to summon her for just 1 cost and maybe remove her combo defense points (even though nobody uses her as combo card)
@JohnnyPaco812 ай бұрын
@@dekomori8127summoning her for 1 is definitely strong but without being to replace herself with her draw, it’s less combo power and less cards in hand. It doesn’t seem like much but it would definitely bring down the power of topku. Example: they have 6 cards in hand, they summon kelfa plus android. They are down to 5 cards in hand. They set another card with the remaining energy. They down to 3 cards in hand. Even though they have 3 attacks. It’s a lot easier to defend and counter them the following turn
@Jay-rd6fe2 ай бұрын
you dont like the secret?
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
Not really bud, it's fine into green but for me its just not good enough into the rest
@Jay-rd6fe2 ай бұрын
@@RahlTCG yeah ive been thinking tk ditch the secret i also find the secrets to be very underwelming in this game compared to other card games
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
@@Jay-rd6fe I think they need to be though since you can run 4 of them. I like the Red and Blue SCR's but honestly there will likely come a time where the Frieza SCR is insanely snapped
@Jay-rd6fe2 ай бұрын
@@RahlTCG yeah just not now getting to 6 energy takes to long to get value only one more week bro and red will be gone
@StonerBrosGaming4202 ай бұрын
Personally love the scr it only has one bad match up so I play it at a one of thinking 2 and charge against red
@chicken3122812 ай бұрын
Ever considered a senzu bean?
@ErikMerritt2 ай бұрын
I like the build but try it with no super combos and see what happens
@elisnoob91982 ай бұрын
That is an interesting idea, not going above a certain charge point
@danielhermann99772 ай бұрын
Nice video. You could show the deck before de match
@chicken3122812 ай бұрын
Senny bean of Zu
@ShiningCrimzon2 ай бұрын
You could've probably ended the game 1 turn early with double instant kamehameha
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
I know but honestly, I knew he couldnt win either way. Just took the safer route
@Tragedyval2 ай бұрын
I dont have 4 6c twin androids, what would you replace them with ?
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
Honestly it's tough. 4 of them are key this meta to deal with red's aggro. Green doesn't have a lot of good options for the same value I'm afraid. You could run the 6c Double Strike Gohan from the new set but since it doesn't kill battle cards on play it is significantly worse
@Tragedyval2 ай бұрын
you don't atk into topku, let him seppuku himself to 3 health, thats how you beat him. You just make the game harder for yourself when you atk him. Most of his battle cards need to atk to take the life awaken, so you just focus on controlling the board while he waste mana trying to seppuku himself to 3. control the board while you build your own board and when hes at 4, make him waste mana to awaken himself.
@TechBeard2 ай бұрын
The fact that topku, for 5 energy, can play 14 energy worth of battle cards is just disgusting. Using the right cards, they can also draw an additional 4 cards with those battle cards is also disgusting. Bandai needs to do something or this game with certainly die
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
It's literally making this game so hard for me to want to play at the minute honestly
@shadowinversion2 ай бұрын
Think there's any chance of Topku getting nerfed? Was tempted to come back and drop some money on set 2, but not if the meta is worse than set 1 Broly spam.
@BouterMorter2 ай бұрын
I dont think it will be nerfed. This coming from playing other card games this is the norm. like yugioh and magic they will just wait and add new cards to make other decks stronger. you should come back and play. I don't fight topku that often and i just hit GOD rank
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
There is always the possibility that with the release of Set 3 this could get nerfed. I think the best nerf for the deck is honestly to remove Kefla's permanent and just make her 25k power. This way she can't be played of the leader skill but is still an absolute power house of a card. I think it's the perfect balance for the deck in all honesty
@blakeandren4522 ай бұрын
I like that, or maybe make the leader ability, tap 2 discard 2??
@JohnnyPaco812 ай бұрын
I have a 100% win rate with Beerus into Topku I just control their board and keep them at 5 life until turn 7 By then I have like 2-3 android 17s on board and 1-2 klefas on board Even after I awaken them with poke from klefa, they have to commit 1 or 2 cards to even damage me I then have 5 drop ds goku to close out the game plus leader attack at 25k-30k attack.even if they manage to survive that hit. They still need to worry about 3-5 more attacks
@The_BlvckSun2 ай бұрын
Yeah but you’re still playing all the same red cards for the most part right? Red is just super pushed atm and hard for other decks to keep up
@Juaniguitarra862 ай бұрын
Hi dude, always following your content. Im playing Black as well, im trying with 2 zeno in my deck to see if there is a fighting chance. The 2c Zamasu SR is good going into your 6c Black.
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
I just dont like the 2 drop zamasu in a red heavy format, too easy to kill by negging power haha. I might try some Zen-Oh's though for the next build :)
@sirbaht2 ай бұрын
No sense to protect battle cards that way in the firsts turns... The leader doesn't draw, your goal should be self-awaken asap to start drawing cards and control the board
@chicken3122812 ай бұрын
Bean of Senz
@elisnoob91982 ай бұрын
Crits , crits everywhere
@chicken3122812 ай бұрын
Sen. Zu. Bean.
@vinicyhuz2 ай бұрын
The Cell probably just didn't have 4 Cells or 4 arenas and just wanted to play him even tho his deck wasn't finished yet.
@ErikMerritt2 ай бұрын
I think you run too many Zenos. I’d get rid of the normal goten, black and double strike vegeta… I’d go down to 3 zenos and only 3 sickles, add the bulmas back, 4 drop vegeta, 1 drop vegeta, and 2 of the secret rare vegitos to give deck balance combo and viability. Id even take away one of the 3 drop gotenks, since you’ll be down 2 gotens. Add another 1 drop trunks for draw… maybe experiment w the 4 drop ss3 goku since the deck is majority saiyan (sickle counts as a saiyan for end game push) Love the content🎉!
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
These are all great shouts bud! We just keep testing different builds till we hit that sweet spot!
@elisnoob91982 ай бұрын
Topku is that scary huh ?
@The_BlvckSun2 ай бұрын
As a Cell main, yes. Ive yet to win against the standard stock list. I can only beat the people who got screwed on pack openings and did not get the 4 of Keflas or the 4 of Gohans or 17s. Even then it is a incredibly tough matchup, Kefla is just stupid at this point and should get banned or restricted IMO
@elisnoob91982 ай бұрын
@@The_BlvckSun wonder when they will do a banlist and how it will effect every color
@JEdeEv2 ай бұрын
I would nerf Topku but Kefla is a threat. Even Roshi is actually tiring to deal with. I prefer errataing them to scale down the deck’s power. Not them powerful or unplayable. Just somewhere the cards can at least be fun to play.
@itsbgbruhhh39032 ай бұрын
I think people are just tired of running into the matchup every other match. I think Kefla needs to get limited or erratta'd unfortunately. Super cool card but way too early into the games lifetime that its become the most frustrating deck to play against. Ive even played it when i get bored of blue, and its so much more boring. Half the time i got people surrendering turn 1 or just its just a blowout
@chicken3122812 ай бұрын
Needs a Senzu Bean...
@shadowinversion2 ай бұрын
Random observation but I'm not a fan of that mustard yellow on Veggie.
@salvadorlopez59612 ай бұрын
I wish you played that Hand much better towards the end. If you wanted him to get rid of cards you should’ve never played the 6 drop Frieza. You had the double striker with the added extra buff. The opponent will sweat a lot more knowing he has one life left than two with zamasu.
@demninjas66202 ай бұрын
I like playing vegeta for the challenge and i feel he is a decent deck when piloted right, however i agree with you lockdown just isnt as good as straight up removal.
@shadowinversion2 ай бұрын
Not played in a while but not seen any Broly in people's content - nobody running him anymore?
@alvessora2 ай бұрын
I think this cell was drunk.
@salvadorlopez59612 ай бұрын
Def don’t want to see zamasu lol. Vegeta only
@lucapittori8722 ай бұрын
Hi! Enjoyng your content, but it would be amazing if you posted deck lists also! Keep going!
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for the kind words <3 The decklists are at the end of the video's bud :)
@lucapittori8722 ай бұрын
@@RahlTCG Oh shoot, i'm so sorry, i just watched the game and then quit the video 😅 it is perfect then 🤣 love from italy
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
@@lucapittori872 XD all good friend!
@tegami01022 ай бұрын
Not playing final hope slash is wild tbh. Sometimes you wanna push damage on a different target than trunks, plus it's recyclable with pilaf as well
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
I honestly just dont think you need it in Trunks, again I will be testing builds so you might be right for the blue match if nothing else
@EmbracedDestiny2 ай бұрын
I’ve been debating about if you should or not, because final hope slash is only offensive which means one less 10k. But maybe running 1 or 2 since the deck is pretty defensive you get to cycle through a lot of your deck, and honestly because it’s recyclable you don’t ever need more than 1 in the hand
@tegami01022 ай бұрын
@@EmbracedDestiny Exactly I run 2 personnaly for consistancy and when I've found one I usually just charge the second and cycle the 1st find.
@EmbracedDestiny2 ай бұрын
@@tegami0102 what’s your thoughts on also running a few piccolos for bringing back the scythe?
@tegami01022 ай бұрын
@@EmbracedDestiny Too slow imo, but piccolo to bring back galick gun why not
@acezephr19502 ай бұрын
I want a gif of 2 blue vegitos playing ping pong. 😂
@RahlTCG2 ай бұрын
I know. It was as boring to watch as it was to play I promise you 🤣
@LinikoAndrord2 ай бұрын
Nice job on bringing that back. At first I didn't believe, but I definitely didn't want you to give up. Once again, nice job man.