Good I love reading novels, and I actually find it difficult as a beginner in the language What do you think of what Oxford did and created novels according to level? Do you find that this is wrong and that it would lose the essence of the novel?
@jesse_ledesma3 ай бұрын
Hi Vladimir, I've just discovered your videos, and you present a very thought-provoking view on language that I haven't heard anywhere else. I also really like your presentation style, especially the repetition and emphasis. Thank you for sharing such a powerful, though condemning, message. I’d like to address some points in your video, namely your definition of language and your view of linguistics. You define language as a tool for acquiring knowledge, making a distinction from communication. I can certainly understand how we use language to manage our environment by identifying cause and effect chains (acquiring knowledge). However, based on your definition, what is communication? If communication is the sharing or distributing of knowledge, then it would make sense that a learner could memorize out-of-context words in the hopes of sharing their acquired knowledge. However, you strongly disagree with this. To put it simply, how does communication fit into your view of language as a tool for acquiring knowledge? Secondly, when you list knowledge categories, you don’t include cultural knowledge, which one could argue is best deduced from speaking with locals rather than reading blogs or articles. Wouldn’t that be a reason for someone to speak with an online “teacher”? Or would you say that for this to be effective, the student would need to define, ‘I want to speak about the cultural mannerisms, characteristics, communication style, body language, and social norms of this local person’? Having said all that, I definitely take your point that many learners go into “speaking sessions” without clear goals. And I think your emphasis on this is absolutely fantastic. Next, your argument against TESOL or TEFL seems like a strawman. The field of linguistics isn’t about learning the meaning of words or improving one’s pronunciation, but rather it’s about acquiring knowledge on the ‘invisible’ mechanisms of language, such as its form, function, and how it’s represented in our brains. The field of linguistics is actually a combination of several disciplines, such as social studies, neurology, psychology, anthropology, and anatomy. Having said that, I agree that a master's in TESOL doesn’t necessarily make a good language acquisition teacher. This is because, as you said, acquisition happens through engaging with meaningful content. And most people aren’t interested in linguistics. Language acquisition and linguistics are two separate fields of study. Many people confuse the two, as you have clearly addressed in this video by showing the conflation of studying language form with studying language content. Language acquisition, I believe, is a deeply philosophical area of study, as it deals with uncovering psychological barriers, which, when uncovered, can disrupt current societal norms. Finally, your fundamental point that we learn language through consuming content (meaningful contextual knowledge or information) is certainly true. I think about it like the container and the contents. The language form is the container that delivers the language meaning, which is the content. Teachers worldwide believe that if students have enough containers, they can start delivering meaningful content. But as you’re rightly explaining, we acquire containers through receiving contents. This is certainly a deeply misunderstood point by our language teaching industry.
@jesse_ledesma3 ай бұрын
You raise a great point that when i want to acquire knowledge, I turn to English, and that I want to learn another language to share my acquired knowledge with others.
@yoheivlog14357 ай бұрын
・発音が英語と日本語ですごい違うから英語を話せない。 ・日本人はシャイだから英語を話せない。 どちらも違うと思います。 I would ask them to speak to themselves in English. I'm sure they can't. But if this theory is correct, they should be able to speak English fluently when they're alone.
@VirtuallyNative7 ай бұрын
どちらも違う、それはそうです。 ・日本人はシャイではない。 ・発音の違いはあまり問題ではない。
@user-zm9gc1kt8b7 ай бұрын
This theory! That theory! There isn't just one theory that suits everyone. I personally find that reading alot doesn't really sink in that much, but when I hear something especially if I can attache an emotion, or event then the words or sentences tends to sink in most times and can recall later on. Speaking deffinately helps because it initiates a conversation and in return you get input e, g, new words , different ways on how to use them! and of course improving your listening skills and hearing the pronounciation in which you can imitate.
Totally agree with you, Kevin-san. My daughter14ysold is learning computer science by American text it has written for junior high. At first She couldn't read, listen, write snd speak well but She was excited to learn the first class and improving her English skill surprisingly. Kevin, you are right.
@VirtuallyNative8 ай бұрын
ONE LIFE: DON'T WASTE IT Book: virtuallynative.com
言語は知識。外国語を習得ではなくて、外国語で知識を習得。You cannot learn English first and after that get knowledge, because Language = Knowledge (言語 = 知識), language doesn't exist without knowledge。語彙と文法は知識ではありません。コミュニケーションは知識を得るの副産物。
@francisjanson92199 ай бұрын
What about having new knowledge via a foreign language (like international students learning at a university in a foreign country)? Is it true that the students simultaneously learn new content (like chemistry, physics, engineering etc,) and how to communicate the knowledge via a foreign language? And can we call this KNOWING HOW to communicate particular subject contents using a foreign language as a kind of improvement of "language knowledge (vocabulary and grammar etc.)", by comparison with their compatriots who learn the same subjects via their native language in their motherland and do not know how to present the content in the foreign language?
@motivationaddiction7307 Жыл бұрын
Universities aquire such level in such language in order to able to study in'em which makes no sense. Because like you said you'll learn the language through the information and you will learn the information through the subject.
@motivationaddiction7307 Жыл бұрын
So underrated and the only one I know who knows/tells the truth about learning a language. Respect.
@LockMacFly Жыл бұрын
Reading helps, if I hear the language 24h in a day it doesn't help me speak but gives me a wrong sense of fluency, though when I read my speaking gets better
@Iskoj210 Жыл бұрын
Dear Vladimir thank you for this engaging experience, we are earnestly hopeful that discussions of this kind will occasionally happen here! PS: Did not want to be indiscreet yet asking you for an eventual talk with Dr. Jeff McQuillan or with James from Future Multilingual KZbin channel, where they also want to inspire discussion and reflection on language learning/acquisition. Cheers.
@aguilardias9582 Жыл бұрын
i was restarting studing english, im 39 years, i starting by taken lingoda classes, for conversation, when i've found your videos and book, i read it, now i've stoped lingoda classes and start to read books on kindle, i will try it for some months, after that i will try a new lingoda class and see if i can speak better, smoothly, thank you
@aguilardias9582 Жыл бұрын
i think we have this habit to say: im studying english. I work as a software developer, i read a lot in english and get a lot of knowloge to use in my job, but i didnt realized that this type of reading helped me to keep a normal conversation in english. Now im reading mainly fantasy and fiction books, like i do in my L1 language, so i dont think its a real knowloge like learn maths, biology, but i hope receive as a byproduct/bonus a better speaking habitity. thanks and sorry for disapoint you, hehe.
@chaliflare9669 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great conversation. I’ve been following Dr. Nation for a long time. He’s a giant in the field of language acquisition. I’ve watched several of his interviews and lectures. It would be great if you could interview Stephen Krashen.
@VirtuallyNative Жыл бұрын
I'm not interviewing people. I'm testing my theory. I want to be challenged and either proven wrong or right. I invited Stephen Krashen to a discussion 2 weeks ago and still nothing...
@VirtuallyNative Жыл бұрын
Main takeaways: 1:00 Paul Nation claims to be an expert on teaching teachers how to teach foreign languages but he is not happy with the current state of language teaching??? 5:53 Paul Nation claims to be an expert on teaching vocabulary but doesn't know much about teaching grammar??? Nobody should learn individual words! 9:55 Paul Nation believes that a person can be good at reading but not good at speaking. His anecdotal evidence is one of the most unscientific arguments a university professor can offer. The truth of the matter is that a person's reading can only be as good as their speaking, or worse, but never better. Reading is a sufficient but not necessary condition for Speaking. You don't need to be able to read smoothly and accurately in order to speak smoothly and accurately. However, if you are able to read smoothly and accurately, you will be able to speak smoothly and accurately. 16:59 Paul Nation is a big proponent of graded readers. Show me 1 (one) person who has become proficient in a foreign language using graded readers. Just 1. 27:04 Paul Nation has not become proficient in a foreign language as an adult. One Life: Don't Waste It Book: virtuallynative.com
@ronlugbill1400 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Agreed that correcting grammar mistakes doesn't work. Another reason why they don't work is because it takes the focus off of meaning and puts the focus on form. Brains want meaning. You retain meaningful things better than things without meaning. And you just wasted some time that could have been spent on meaningful interaction. However, you can have some separate focus on form. For example, learning vocabulary and improving pronunciation. Btw, non-natives often have more interesting ways of saying things that they have imported from their native language into English. "It cost me an arm and a leg" is a cliché and not that interesting. "It cost me a kidney" is unique and therefore actually has more impact than using an overused cliché. So the idea of correcting someone who is using English in a more interesting way does not make sense. And the cost vs. costed grammar mistake does not interfere with meaning. Everyone umderstands exactly what she meant so there was no miscommunication there. If there had been miscommunication, then some clarification would have been appropriate. Some negotiation of meaning. Anyway, thanks for the video.
@VirtuallyNative Жыл бұрын
The whole thing is fake to begin with - it's a Lingoda produced video to demonstrate how productive their lessons are. And to your point about wasted time - I just realized that the teacher to student talk time was 80:20 which is the exact opposite of what's recommended. Anyway, thanks for the comment.
@alexandra.v Жыл бұрын
I would also say that this is controversial. When I first wanted to learn, and encountered Greek, I wanted to read anything, in order to learn more of the language, from user manuals to packages. Anything Greek interested me. I did not learn anything meaningful, or anything at all with this approach because my learning was very disorganised. This did not work for me. Yeah, I loved even seeing the language and not understanding anything, but true learning began with a bilingual dictionary, a book for beginners and... Duolingo. From that point my learning became organised, I began to understand grammar and sentence structure and all the theory. My point is, for organised learning, at some time you need to do simpler things that maybe you do not like as much.
@VirtuallyNative Жыл бұрын
"I wanted to read anything, in order to learn more of the language" = I wanted to play any music in order to learn more about (the mechanics of) the piano 6:00 "at some time you need to do simpler things that maybe you do not like as much" is something I completely agree with. Of course you need to spend time STUDYING vocabulary and grammar and kanji in the case of Japanese (and music theory and sheet music) which is rarely fun 14:09 I don't agree with the belief that adults should/can learn like children, i.e. passively acquire language. Adults need to STUDY: need to consult grammar books, online forums and of course DICTIONARIES - bilingual at first and gradually transition to monolingual. It's all in my book. What most people fail to truly understand/accept/internalize is this 20:39 And the thing I will NEVER understand is why would anybody bother to watch videos about how to learn a foreign language if they already knew how. This channel is for people who don't know how to learn so please PLEASE don't confuse them even more. Thank you!
@alexandra.v Жыл бұрын
@@VirtuallyNative Thank you for your reply! I am now at a point when I can consume more enjoyable content. I definitely agree with some ideas you promote. Language learning channels on KZbin do not make any sense for me too. Time in college was excruciating: we used to have an entire course focusing on the technicalities of the language ONLY. People learn languages in diverse ways. Unfortunately, language schools (both good and bad) are like a huge industry; big business here. But I think more and more people consider self-learning, concentrating on what they are interested about. Thank you again for changing minds about language learning!
@VirtuallyNative Жыл бұрын
"People learn languages in diverse ways" is one of the most pernicious myths about learning a foreign language. The belief that "one size doesn't fit all" is one of the main reasons why language teaching is "a huge industry". It's all in my book. All the best!
@tullochgorum6323 Жыл бұрын
There's an element of truth in this for sure - as adult learners we should certainly be moving on to meaningful native material as soon as we can. But the music analogy breaks down because musicians certainly do NOT learn their instruments by tackling their favourite material at the outset. No violinist begins by working on the Beethoven concerto or the Paganini Caprices. The learning curve is far, far too steep. One KZbinr who tried this approach as an experiment crashed and burned in spectacular fashion. No - what musicians actually do is learn the fundamental mechanics of their instrument and then work on very basic exercises and highly simplified material till they master the fundamentals. They only gradually work up to the real stuff. I suspect that for most of us, a similar approach would work well for language learning.
@VirtuallyNative Жыл бұрын
1:20 I thought I made it abundantly clear that I'm not talking about professional "musicians" who start YOUNG 9:03 "One KZbinr who tried this approach as an experiment crashed and burned in spectacular fashion" PROVES my point: of course they gave up - they did it as an experiment for KZbin views, not because they really wanted to play that particular piece of music for their own enjoyment 19:31 "I suspect that ..." is a rather weak ending to otherwise confident assertions by a person who, I STRONGLY suspect, has neither learned a musical instrument nor a foreign language as an ADULT
@tullochgorum6323 Жыл бұрын
@@VirtuallyNative I'm an active musician who has learned a number of instruments as an adult. I know many musicians who teach adult starters and am active in communities for adult starters. I can assure you that you are mistaken in your view that adult starters begin by working on advanced pieces from the outset. The great majority begin with basic exercises and simplified tunes, as I claimed. You only have to look at a selection of the dozens of tutors and courses for adult starters to verify my claim. On the violin, for example, a popular approach is to work through the Suzuki books, starting with Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. The guy who failed to learn violin by tackling Pagani was a highly motivated learner. But he discovered that it was a misconceived approached. It's like a skater trying to learn a triple Lutz before they can do a single - it doesn't make any sense. No-one succeeds this way, which is why almost no-one tries it. Just as the vast majority of language learners start with simplified materials before they move on to native resources.
@VirtuallyNative Жыл бұрын
I don't want to waste my time replying to misleading comments. For me it's much easier to just delete them. "I'm an active musician who has learned a number of instruments as an adult" ? Are you saying that you started playing (a number of) musical instruments after college and now you're making a living as a musician? Respect! Especially if you did all that "with basic exercises and simplified tunes". "adult starters begin by working on advanced pieces from the outset" is something I never said. I never said "advanced", I said FAVORITE. Very few adults wake up one morning and decide to take up the violin having Paganini Caprice N5 as the first melody on their list. By the same token, very few absolute beginners suddenly decide to learn quantum physics from scratch in a foreign language. But if that's what they really wanted to play/learn, then I'd still say 9:02 "It's like a skater trying to learn a triple Lutz before they can do a single" makes no sense INDEED, just don't know what the relevance is. I compare language to music, not skating. And I do acknowledge the difference between motor and cognitive skills 21:42 "No-one succeeds this way..." I succeeded this way! Gonna stop here. Going back to my second paragraph. If all that is true, then I'm wrong and you are right and people should continue doing what they've been doing all along: hire tutors, buy beginner courses, go to language schools, and use simplified materials/textbooks. As well as subscribe to language learning channels on KZbin and voice their suspicions. EDIT: please refer to my first paragraph for future comments ... or better still 23:10
@tullochgorum6323 Жыл бұрын
@@VirtuallyNative Wow - what an aggressive reply. Seems that you're not someone who's open to civilised discussion...
@VirtuallyNative Жыл бұрын
Finally right about something - I'm not here to have discussions. I'm here to teach people how to learn foreign languages. Period! Do you have any idea how ABSURD it is to 1 subscribe to a "how to learn" type of channel, and 2 criticize the person teaching you something you know virtually nothing about? Everything I know about learning a foreign language is in my book VIRTUALLY NATIVE, not my videos. You either read it and move on with your life, or continue watching my videos by keeping your criticism to yourself. Thank you!
@Learning_English_Together.2 жыл бұрын
Excuse me for so many comments, but this video is the best I have seen so far regarding how to learn a language. Everything you say it makes a lot of sense.
@Learning_English_Together.2 жыл бұрын
As I go along with the video, everything you say makes more sense to me and makes me want to shoot myself
@Learning_English_Together.2 жыл бұрын
Let's suppose I am interested in Finance, Economics, Calisthenics, Programming and Meditation - Wellbeing. So, should I study those subjects in English to acquire the knowledge and in turn I will be able to learn English as a side effect? I hope your answer Vladimir.
@hantybanty2 жыл бұрын
Do you recommend physical dictionary {paper} or electronic dictionary
@hectormunozriquelme2 жыл бұрын
You have one life. 👏Don't waste it.
@wowyummyyy2 жыл бұрын
L I K E 👍 👍👍 👍 👍 💯 ❣💯 ❣💯 😍 😍😍 😍😍
@VirtuallyNative2 жыл бұрын
One Life: Don't Waste It Book: virtuallynative.com
@soweli30332 жыл бұрын
I've never learned to play a musical instrument 😭😭😭
@VirtuallyNative2 жыл бұрын
One Life: Don't Waste It Book: virtuallynative.com
@Smile-fk1di2 жыл бұрын
No one is here just like you who give us the original suggestions, everyone is just pretending and getting us the greed so that they can earn from us. Make more videos about these topics, I have been subscribing you're channel for 3 years. Thanks a lot for your valuable content sir.🙏🙏😊😊😊👌👌 From India 🇮🇳🇮🇳
@lepetitchat1232 жыл бұрын
I think you just explained why I am so frustrated at learning foreign languages. I learned English because I was geniunely interested in topics presented only in English (e.g. Hollywood movies, American/English culture). I do not learn a language to communicate with others (I am an introvert) or better my career prospects. I have been ttrying to learn Dutch and French for practical reasons. With French it's a bit better because there are some things about French culture that I am interested in, but with Dutch it's really difficult. The Dutch culture really has nothing for me. It sounds silly to me and I feel like an idiot speaking it (Sorry Dutch people I mean no offense). How would you advise me? I also do not learn languages because they sound "beautiful". I think how a language sounds depends entirely on the speaker, not the language itself.
@p.informatico13202 жыл бұрын
I don't know about english, but I know than mistake corrections are really neccesary in spanish... and it's easy to see if you listen to people who have been living in Spain for a decade, and still have a tough time with subjects as gender...
@alonsochanakya5382 жыл бұрын
I agree I have watched all your videos so far, even those that are not on KZbin. When somebody in the group makes a mistake I just say Mate you need to study this and back to fix your own Mistake. I'm not a teacher but of course you know when somebody makes a mistake. Thanks dear Vladimir.
@TheFiestyhick2 жыл бұрын
I definitely follow your approach of not forcing speaking and depending on corrections. However, there are people that seem to prove that making mistakes and enduring to move forward, does seem to work, if the person studies like 6 plus hours daily then speaks a ton daily. For example, Benny Lewis seems to have proven that the speak and make mistakes can also work. There are at least 4 reputable language coaches that say that speaking and making like 200 mistakes a day also works.
@amansinghyadav23872 жыл бұрын
There is contradiction in what you are saying...
@TheFiestyhick2 жыл бұрын
@@amansinghyadav2387 Have you thoroughly checked out other teachers? Look at Benny Lewis. I do NOT agree with all he says, but he says making mistakes helps him improve faster. Many others say same thing
@amansinghyadav23872 жыл бұрын
@@TheFiestyhick no one wants to make mistakes but it is natural. Definitely he is better than other according to my opinion
@VirtuallyNative2 жыл бұрын
The video is about CORRECTING mistakes, not "making" them. Making mistakes is inevitable; paying for mistake corrections is futile.
@m.wilkinson95592 жыл бұрын
The word outrageously was spelled mistakenly as autrageously. Really good video Vlad, I agree with you that error corrections are in general very inefficient. But alas students still want to be "fixed".
@VirtuallyNative2 жыл бұрын
The problem with "students still want to be fixed" is that teachers are supposed to act in the best interest of their students. The onus is on the teacher to tell the student what works and what doesn't. Everything else is either deception or ignorance.
@soweli30332 жыл бұрын
I love you from Peru 🇵🇪❤❤❤
@yadanrodriguez36342 жыл бұрын
Excellent like always Vladimir. Greetings from Venezuela 🇻🇪
@alaashhab65542 жыл бұрын
I respect your honesty sir
@learnenglisheverywhere2 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation.
@VirtuallyNative2 жыл бұрын
One Life: Don't Waste It Book: virtuallynative.com 0:13 it costed me a kidney 1:49 Why do people make mistakes? 2:18 Mistake corrections don't work 2:49 Fix my grammar mistakes 4:17 How many lessons to fix all mistakes 7:28 Don't pay for random words and piecemeal corrections 7:33 The job of a language teacher 8:17 Language schools 8:47 Alternative Website: all.virtuallynative.com
@baronmeduse2 жыл бұрын
This thesis 'language is knowledge' is somewhat flawed. To get knowledge you need to be able to communicate. You can gather as much of it as you want in a language you know, but if it can't be communicated between people it's dead in the water. And this notion that you just set out on a path to acquire knowledge through the chosen medium and it develops, is fantasy island thought. It's just another example of the never-ending conveyor belt of language 'gurus' who think they've cracked the code for learning languages. 'Be specific regarding things you want to talk about', yet 'make as many examples of things you want to talk about'? So practically everything, just like you would in your native language? That rather brings us back to square one doesn't it? The patterns and content for 'talking about' things, aside from topic-specific words, are all the same. As an adult learner these things won't just come to you on a plate through exposure/osmosis just on the back of desiring to talk about a topic and trying to pursue it through that language medium. Knowledge is not tied to any language. Thought is not language, language is a means of communicating thought, it's the other way around. Sure enough it's a great idea to copy the vocabulary and patterns functional speakers use, but that itself is no guarantee that the information is correct or if the language makes sense.
@beloukrifnawel21892 жыл бұрын
what happened with vladimir is he right
@abogadosasesorias88482 жыл бұрын
Why did I have to translate "compelling" to understand what that word means? That meaning did'nt come from nothing.
@gil416272 жыл бұрын
Hi teacher how long it will take me to master English I mean by reading???
@MANOJKUMAR-rw4gh2 жыл бұрын
Very nice
@abdalrahmanhasan48383 жыл бұрын
you are great
@FernandoFerreira-xz9xu3 жыл бұрын
O just watched your last video on the absurdity called english teaching
@leeburgers24443 жыл бұрын
Finally some truth, among all the charlatans on KZbin; you have provided a wonderful overview for me. All of these fake polyglot youtubers have never been able to express these concepts. This video was well composed, said, and conveyed. All of the language learning KZbinrs are often 'snake oil salesmen' who need to keep the lie alive in order for a deluded sense of health, wealth, or prosperity.