@Diallelus You think Atheists are misrepresenting or ignorant of Christian beliefs but it's actually the other way around here. Atheists are not typically presuming that's what christians mean, but rather that there is a sentient life force beyond the material. And for your information there actually are a lot of christians that do believe in an entity presiding in a heavenly realm.

Wait, people care what Bret Weinstein has to say?

I cant take seriusly a person that takes libertarianism seriusly.

I wonder when Mrs. Weinstein realized just how freakishly smart her two sons are.

We need to evolve social sensibilities to maximize individual liberty.

Weinstein is a snake oil grifter.

The next step is understanding what Pageau is saying.

Liberty is constrained by moral equality. This even applies to which side of the road everyone should drive on. Airlines, and their insurers are extremely interested in safety in flying. Government actually impedes improvement of safety by stymying improvements in air traffic control.

I love that before we’ve even had to prove how evolution can even be a thing that started, we’ve already explained away why we won’t ever see it again (I’m talking about the spontaneous generation of new information that radically changes a creatures biology, not phenotypical variations that are the result of pre-existing information.) -Oh, well our genes don’t do that anymore because they “offloaded” that work to culture!

I hate saying it but "GOD may ruled in the spiritual realm of the heavens" but here on earth on the physical realm where we exist "Money is the absolute GOD". Why you think all these maga millionaires dont believe in No GOD? With their money and power they are the closest thing to being GODS amongst the vast poor humans beings. Rich people lived under different rules and laws than the typical everyday person. You can buy people to do whatever you want or you can end someone's life if you have enough money, that's very close to playing GOD on earth.

When Bret talks about Peterson not understanding the old rules to be inadequate: This is another instance where Bret is simply ahead of the game. The Real and present issue is that the old rules are not even respected among the type of people who would incite this change. Dawkins and the say the old guard of the exploratory-born-in-the-wrong-environment-types. Identified very real problems, but their solutions (created out of resentment and pride) failed to recognize the actual real value of the thing. The Peterson Dawkins Movement In my eyes then is not an apologia, but instead the formation of a culture-of-ideation that permits the synthesis between all of the time-tested old strategies, and the new and novel environments. The whole project may very well fail. The tower of babel, bureaucracy, cultural senescence grows feebler the more we add to it. Peterson all of his work, done at his level of operation it's all a necessary precursor to whatever future Bret has envisioned.

My favourite Crossover is Theoretical Physicists and Theologians, they literally speak the same language and use the same philosophical terms (and have had a ton of fruitful conversations). I don't think Dawkins even realizes that the modern Scientific Method came out of Christianity (and Francis Bacon himself spoke about the unknowability problem of empiricism). The fundamental philosophical presuppositions of Science are ultimately Christian ones (and historically 95% of Scientists were Christians), the more Science strays away from Christianity the worse it gets, because if you try to destroy Christianity you destroy Science in the process, this is why so many Atheists say that they 'hate philosophy' or that 'philosophy is useless', because it would force them to confront their worldview on a presuppositional level.

But, Brett's so called "ancient wisdoms" would not HAVE to be recalibrated if they were indeed revealed by a perfect, supernatural being. People forget that we didn't even know about germ theory until the late 1800's. THAT would have been a pretty important piece of information to be revealed thousands of years ago, don't you think?

There is an old Hermetic term "Man creates God, and worships his creation"

I see it the other way around, that religion is the comment to our own code of behavior.

it's the same as hitchens thinking that water boarding was not hard until he experienced it... just let GOD cook

this is the smartest thing I've heard him out anyone say on this topic yet. perfect

The problem with this perspective is that the old timeless ideas that may be outdated aren't conscious things that can be inscribed and proscribed like software notes. Humans are incredible at pattern recognition, but not consciously. For example, if you generate random strings of words using two random algorithms, people can group the words accurately well above chance. The real problem is that when you tell them that there's a pattern and that they should look for the pattern, THEY GET WORSE AT IDENTIFYING THE PATTERN.

for good reason

yep!

Maximizing liberty as a highest priority of our governing system seems to be arbitrarily pulled from thin air Instead we should take into account what we are as a biological animal land based vertebrate species of completely social mammals. As a land based vertebrate species, we are born, live, survive, reproduce, & die as separate individual organisms. Although, we reproduce sexually in pairs, we do so in satisfying individual selection needs. We have evolved to view ourselves as this individual unitary individual organism that is consciously self- aware ot this individual organism separate from & aware of other individual organisms many of whom are consciously self-aware while also being aware that we are consciously self- aware & aware of their separate conscious awareness of themselves & us ad Infinitum But also being completely social species we cannot exist solely on our own as individuals but can exist as members ot groups of other individuals Being individuals with individual instinctual drives, needs, sensor perceptions, emotion experiencing with cognitive abilities, executive decision making abilities, conscious awareness, instinctual behaviors, & having temporal survival instincts which add up to our individuality being important to our being Also, being a completely social species, we also have instinctual behaviors and needs that compel us to be capable existing in groups, expected needs met by the group, & instinctual behaviors & emotions that benefit overall group survival. Our instinctual group behaviors to benefit group survival, & an essential survival need of ours satisfied by the group as a member of the group add up to our group membership also being important to our being This duality of being both separate completely individual organisms with individual survival needs but also being a completely social species making us fully dependent on groups & group membership for our survival requires us to maintain a balance between our individuality & membership in groups to enable our survival. Depriving either one too much for the other can be harmful even fatal. Hegelian/Marxist denial of individual needs in service to group moral cohesion & well being is panglossian misguided thinking that that wastefully destroys individual lives wholesale leading to severe organizational dysfunction usually leading to tremendous catastrophy On the other hand liberalism that devolves into nihilistic individual selfishness or into misguided utopian libertarianism or by any other means devolves into panglossian hyper individuality will lead to anemic groups with poor cohesion & tremendous fragility & isolated individuals frail & stagnant in their insularity, weak, & sickly malnourished Starving Peter to pay Paul or vice versa is complete foolishness A liberal governing system that allows for a great deal of individual liberty also sensitive to group survival needs from the lowest most local levels all the way up to the top national superstructure level will not only enable long term national survival but will pave pave the way for robust thriving, prosperity, & enhanced national strength & may lead to tremendous innovation & rapid cultural & technological evolution that could bring about the emergence of a higher level platform that brings about enhanced social, cultural, moral, political, technological, intellectual, & medical functioning & efficiency

Quick question: If religion is a form of evolution, like biological evolution, we should expect the most powerful to win, not necessarily the one that prioritizes all human life but sheer power. Could it be possible that the most powerful religion, (the winner) in this religious evolutionary race be a Machiavellian type of religion? One that only seeks to exploit the weak? In this case it wouldn’t be a morally good idea for this to continue. Or will religious evolution ultimately prioritize the whole human race after all and settle with a religion that benefits all?!

How does Dawkins not see this? This jives perfectly well with EO Wilson, no? Sociobiology.

I agree with Bret that the public commons is valued a great deal by Americans especially middle-class Americans be because we have more skin in the game for having a richer standard of living having the public commons available to us, thus we have more skin in the game keeping the public commons owned by and accessible to the public & protected from harm in perpetuity for posterity

dawkins dismissed the value of christianity ignoring the values christianity provides and then doubles back and proclaims "cultural christanity" now has value without dawkins stopping to consider that possibly he owes an apology to the opinions he has dismissed in his ignorance and arrogance. enjoy your atheist culture mr dawkins, and all the fruits this brings.

deep!

Peterson is full of shit, Weinstein is lost, and Dawkins is right. There are no gods.

The reframe of understanding prayer, for example, as a “technology” has been a personal game changer. In mainstream anthropology, many look at religion’s “functions” but I never heard it described as a technology even in the most practical and applicable sense until I ventured into more spiritual realms… as technology obsessed as anthropology is… maybe thats just Archeology lol

You do actually need to worry about trignosis if you plan on eating bear

"When the Master governs, the people are hardly aware that he exists" Lao Tzu - Tao Te Ching.

Everything you are saying is Christian Weinstein. The body of Christ is supposed to look out for the best interest of its members. When one member succeeds, the rest succeeds with it and when one member fails, the rest fails with it. The parasite is sin. When will the parasite be taken away? When God separates the goats from the sheep.

@robertbreedloveclips2996 love the conversation and the ideas you are covering here. I mean this with the upmost sincerity and goodwill, but would you consider not talking over the person you are interviewing. “Yeah”, … “Right”,… “Yes”, “Yeah”,… “mmmm”… “oh right right”…. “I see” … “Yeah”…. “hmm hmm” … “mmmm k”… “yeah” …. “right”. I get that it’s fairly standard in a typical conversation to make these noises during the other person talking, but for this sort of output it’s actually very distracting. Amazing content here otherwise tho.

First, Jesus is the only way out of this mess and actually he is right that we have run off the end of the tape. There is a threshold in God's world in which if you go too far, you will be thrust back into submission. Second, we are not evolving but devolving. Things start off at the core and then they branch out. What is more important the root or its branches? From complexity comes simplicity and not the other way around. This is the mistake of evolutionists.

When the western empire fall it will be another world dark age we will slip back who knows how far

Language is the problem.

What is the advantage in believing in religion? And what insight has Jordan given us? I can't name a single one that I got solely from him.

Jordan puts on meaning and interpretation of the stories from the Bible. Just gibberish! Meaning and purpose are brought to us through language. Reality is not limited by language. Wipe out the human race and all this meaning and purpose goes with it!

Stop funding public schools using property taxes..

Peterson is reading Harry Potter and saying that wizards and magic exist in the story and Dawkins is asking do you believe wizards and magic exist in the real world. Peterson is wrapped up in myth and story, Dawkins is all about reality.

Maybe the gender ideology cultural/ religious step of evolution is a great proof of this. Does the development of this idea benefit the ‘organism’ or the ‘genome’? It appears that once it reached a wider audience and got recognized it was rejected by the ‘body’ of humanity. It is too costly for the organism and not beneficial. It causes the extinction of the species by neutering the participants and slowing the birth rate. If enough people are infected with this idea the birth rate drops below replacement. And for sure the genome of the people who believe they are the other gender is lost because they won’t be having kids.

None of this goes deep enough. Why is political freedom a value? The answer is: Because it allows individuals to think, choose, and act for themselves, based on reason, reality, and personal responsibility. This is how we as individual human beings learn, mature, and self actualize spiritually. In contrast, socialism, collectivism, and statism wants to centralize thinking and choosing as a function of the elites, who supposedly know all the correct answers, and relegates to the ordinary individual only the acting role, which means in effect doing whatever the government compels them to do by force or fraud (deception). And since independent thought and action are no longer possible, the entire society deteriorates into tribal, ethnic, and class warfare, ever-increasing poverty, insecurity, and economic chaos, inevitably resulting in totalitarianism and mass murder. This is how surrendering personal freedom and responsibility to the state (the supposed embodiment of the collective will) always ends.

What about laws mandating wearing helmets on bicycles and medical insurance?

Awesome conversation. Coming from a conservative background I’ve always been interested in *actual* progressivism and seen libertarianism as a way to potentially balance conservative and progressive instincts. That seems about where this conversation is situated. Good stuff here.

Non believers imagine what a house is like from standing outside on the street, without realising they will never really understand God from standing outside unless they enter into the house 🙏

Bret, you do not "know" that there's no being in the sky. You believe it, and fair enough, but saying that you know comes across as quite arrogant. From someone who has been an atheist himself, belongs to no religious organisation and whose self-worth is not derived from religion.

If I understand this correctly, religion (whatever that means) is a tool created by our genes in order to adapt better? If a religion teaches us that inbreeding and incest are ok (recessive gene disorders are still common) how does that help our species adapt and survive? Pretty dumb and self-defeating. It also seems to assume religion objectively is always a good, positive thing.

This guy is a bafoon. He shouldnt even have a check-card. Let alone have a podcast. How does any of this work.

The only truth! Is the bitcoin that follows the white paper!!! End of

I am not sure what Bret is talking about. Dawkins came up with the concept of the meme as paralleling genes in their ability to propagate themselves according to their "fitness". It is a new thing, because conscious minds are needed to be the medium for memes. Cats cannot spread memes. Neither can monkeys. You need humans for that, and humans with full self-awareness are a very recent development in evolutionary timeline.

Dawkins is a Leftist. Poor, poor fellow.