Pyro - did you record your reaction to the Hallowfall end cinematic (Alleria vs Xalatath)? I looked through your videos but couldn't find it.

I think it would interesting to hear a video focused on the difference between something being "orderly" and the power of "Order" itself. Same can be applied to all the other forces and characteristics they have.

something to think about.... what is ice`? is Vyranoth just a water based Incarnate or did someone remove heat from water to cool it down. i think that has mayjor implications for the WHOLE outer cosmos too. why is neptulon not frozen? where do i find there reason for the difference

So what you're saying is, if we infuse Sargeras with Water, he becomes the Steam Titan./s

It honestly feels like the Old Gods once were Lifebeings or maybe even trees, but then were maybe starved of light? Maybe too much darkness is where the rot and decay stems from? Or maybe too much growth?

There might be other elemental planes we cant even perceive, at least with all our senses. I was reading through old lore journals for older expansion bosses and i got to Shadow labyrinth from TBC's Auchindoun. And then I re-remember Murmur, "destroyer of worlds" and apparently i was looking on warcraftlore subreddit and he was maybe a sound elemental lord? Or some other cosmic being entirely. Seemed to be separate of both the Legion and the Void. Have you ever looked into the lore of Murmur? It is pretty interesting.

im so torn, i have always been a ret, but turaylion and the naaru have made me feel bad about it (in character ofc)....maybe i need to give him a mid-life crisis and change identity lol

Audio is borked at the beginning because there was copyrighted music playing and it was removed.

I tried combining dust and steam… didnt really work :/

so, isn't this basicly like a dice with 6 sides (each side represents 1 force) and a creatures power-allignment lies somewhere within that dice's volume? You'd most likely have 1 strongest allignment, but you can have up to 5 other minor allignments as well.

Old gods might even be the elementals of decay who made a deal with the void, and backed out. I think it was Acco who said this in one of his recent videos.

What if the amanthul we see is his version of murozond.

You know what that means pyro? A lot more content. Infinite amount in fact.

I remember the video from the other day when you were talking as though growth and life were different...and then my mind exploded. Growth and life sound related...but cancer is growth. Decay and death sound related...but decomposing organic matter is not dead. Life as a synthetic force consisting of Growth and Spirit? Decay as a synthetic force consisting of Death and Growth?

truth is that the 6 forces are overlapping every others, ones more dominant than others, the hexateron is a 3D Cartesian coordinate system

Did you get a new mic? You sound a bit different now.

Maybe the overlapping of forces, occur when one force intends to submit the others, like dominate all in one, or sometbing like that. Good video :)

Xax and pyro going so hard into ancient mythology of the real world trying to speculate on the Warcraft world that the discovery the truth of our own reality by accident lmao

I think the audio may be fucked up at the start of the video

The 6 serve the 7th, all born from the twisting nether. The nether is all forces coalescing and existing within one another, giving shape to one another. The 6 are those base forces (like primary and secondary colors) with all cosmic forces combine by their color nature, what color does that give you? Brown? Or if we’re having different interactions at different points, a canvas smattered with elements and colors. The 6 are fighting against their very nature, and the twisting nether is content with just being what it is…. Anything and everything all at once.

Who knows xalatath may have infused the old gods like the nerubians. They may have had an upheaval and banished her. Thats why Nzoth said only he can save from what is to come. He knows because its been done b4. Im thinking this is true and the old gods originated as life.

I love that you guys are collaborating ❤

Don't feed into her delusion Pyro, she's just parasocial.

Pyro's videos on wowlore were probably some of the best videos on wowlore on youtube, if not the best, and I'm talking about when he started his channel, and they were pretty conspiratorial but they were the kinds of conspiracy theories that made you be like "damn, I hope this is all through, because this means the writers are playing 4D chess with the story" and it made you this feeling of so many interconnected characters, storylines and conspiracies instead of the lore being just a regular/typical fantasy story that it is now

It’s Harronir* btw

1:08:50 lol JUST noticed She has same voice As talanji😂

I waited for that black blood quest for too long.

Later in the gathering pools you get qot kill 3 elites that later comes As Elite WQ

what a journey! what a great game! and omg that ending! <3 cant wait to see what this game has even more to offer thank you for recommending your playthrough, I reeeealy enjoy it!

Snail was there for me before the q but IT clearly wasnt for you bugy you i Guess 😂

2:31:29 You heard it here 1st: Xaxxas wants Blizzard to show off Tyrande feet. The Old Gods are lying to you! Night Elf feet are best! Xalatath only offers fake feet pics!

Did blizzard really make the void like the Symbiote from spider man? Sound waves make it unstable and “come off”

5:15 That is a Star trek reference from Deep space nine Ferengi rule of commerce

So if trolls evolved into elves and the haranir are somewhere in between, and they might have evolved from nerubians... I keep having to think of the Fal'dorei who were changed when their Arcandor perished and released 'wild magic', changing them into spider-like beings. Could the magic have bumped them back in sense of their evolution? Theyre not fully Nerubian, but they're also like somewhere in between.

4hrs of watching Pyro zoom around Dornogal! YAY! Seriously though. Great discussion between you and Xaxxas. It’ll be great to see content stemming from this bouncing of theories. Also, I enjoy listening to your introspection.

I still want to believe that Blizzard won't be boring and make them the troll/elf route, but the more fun one with them being evolved Quillboars. FIGHT ME xD Cuz believe it or not it DOES make sense lorewise and power wise. They also share thorns/roots and appearances.

So a few videos back I had speculated that these Harronir could have ties to Aviana. Well the moon in Hannon’s eye matches the same moon at the shrine of Aviana. People keep saying trolls or elves… I’m saying harpies.

If we get u 2 and acco all in 1 video then we've peaked as a society

With many eyes, they will see again. They will drink, and be uplifted. Deeper, deeper its roots will reach. Welcoming our embrace. Her dreams sing beneath the surface. Our dreams. Our song.

they seems to be the link between trolls and night elfs.

ALMOST 4 HOURS OF NERD SPEAK?!? BUDDY YOU SAVED MY BORING AFTERNOON AT WORK. THANK YOU! 24:14 Azeroth, Azure Wroth. I can get behind what he's saying simply by this alone.

Hearing you guys talk about Argus got me thinking of Draenor somehow. I read up on it again and realized how overgrown by life it was at its beginning = the overgrowth. It’s said that Draenor never had a world soul but what if it did? What if Eonar (Eonar is literally in the name Draenor btw lol) was it’s world soul? After all Genesaur run around on Draenor and have also been seen on Elunaria. Just a random thought but maybe there’s more to it?

I don’t have an entirely put together theory or whatever it’s just kind of a thought I had but I don’t entirely know everything that would help me convey what I want to say but imagine Argus was a titan or being of life AND death instead of just death and Azeroth was creation and destruction and ik they can go hand in hand but I interpret creation and destruction as you can create and destroy whatever you want and you’re not bound by just making and destroying life where as life and death are more specifically formatted to living creatures and beings and the death of said creatures and beings and where they go afterwards and since you speculate or xaxxus speculates that Argus may be connected to dark Druidism or the drust or whatever so imagine if eonar took Argus abilities of life after Argus was broken or hurt or whatever happened to him I can’t remember if it was ever said and he was just left with his death powers being left broken and called “the unmaker” when he could have been originally “Argus the maker” instead like I said this is just a thought I don’t have enough lore knowledge or ability to remember enough lore to support my idea i just wanted to put out there cause you may be able to decipher it or look at it in a more informed point of view plus if Argus is very similar or is the same as Azeroth world wouldn’t that make him a prime world soul also or something akin to it hence why I believe he may have been death and life and something more involved in the cosmos with more importance then just being a death titan

A contract is a contract is a contract, but only between ferengi. I like to see star trek quotes in wow

I have a sneaking feeling that this nerubian is seeing Azeroth's memories. Betrayed by her family (the titans), stabbed from above? No, that wasn't the true knife in the gut. They cast her out (imprisoned her).

With the connotation that argus in his original base form was more druid like (specifically the mention of malfurion) I can't help but think of mal and illidan. One put to sleep for long time and one locked away deep beneath the earth.

I think Norgannon's world was K'areesh. And he is already the feared "Void" Titan, they were worried about.

Hire these guys at blizzard make future loreeeee!

The "true" timeline, the Titan's timeline, the one they're trying to protect. It is the timeline where they win, in which Aman'thul doesn't die. His death he saw doesn't happen in this timeline, that's why they try to protect it so much. Could this not just be the same as what Moruzond tried to do? That's why they want to protect it, it's the timeline where they win & Aman'thul's death that he saw doesn't happen. The Titan's conspiracy, that the "true" timeline is really just the one where the Titans, especially Aman'Thul live by Ordering all under their control, especially Azeroth. Maybe that's apart of why they made G'huun, if they cannot control the Old Gods or Void, but if they can make a fake version that can fill the role of Void but they can control it, then you don't need the original anymore right? What if the future Murozond saw was the Titan's winning? Turning EVERYTHING into something like the Earthern? Personalities and everything gone, No family, No loved ones, No friends, No free will they just follow orders. What is worse, Madness or being an emotionless, souless bound robot following orders for all eternity?

So ive been listening to this at work and im just a night janitor so its super chill work just kinda zone out vibes and im about 2ish hours deep into this and its been so engaging that i basically left reality and then when i paused it and shifted back to real life i legit almost passed out 😂😂 like i forgot i was real for a sec there i have no idea lmao but now im sitting on the floor still dizzy and i just had to share that hahaha