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@DarR1299
@DarR1299 11 күн бұрын
The downward trend to break-even makes sense as mortgage rates came down while cap rates increased. Personal opinion of course but since 5 year GoC bonds are yielding about 3%, real-estate such as this fourplex with a 4.5% cap rate is cheap. Another way to look at this is don't factor the financial leverage. 1.4 million in a bond or 1.4 million in this building? Which one's the better deal?
@digital-z5t
@digital-z5t 25 күн бұрын
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@digital-z5t Ай бұрын
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@CanadianRealEstateChannel
@CanadianRealEstateChannel 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing the details of this triplex sale!
@Walina-gv9ph
@Walina-gv9ph 2 ай бұрын
Deferred does not change the cap rate.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 ай бұрын
Always informative. Thank you.
@jerrykoonce743
@jerrykoonce743 4 ай бұрын
Great information 🎉🎉🎉
@keithdevoe9116
@keithdevoe9116 4 ай бұрын
Excellent Job
@danielbello8947
@danielbello8947 4 ай бұрын
With the Down Payment number is that just a value you are placing to find out what amount will allow that property to cash flow? Or is that the actual amount the buyer put down?
@danielbello8947
@danielbello8947 4 ай бұрын
Great video Patrick, one of the best I've seen explained. I love how you break down all the formulas in a very understandable way.
@jasonjosephlee
@jasonjosephlee 5 ай бұрын
Buying multifamily is the best thing anyone can do. I was able to buy over 100 rental units in Southern California by adding value to properties and trading up. I do not come from money and all I want people to know, is that anything is possible in Real Estate.
@danielbello8947
@danielbello8947 4 ай бұрын
You still need to fund the down payment, how do you get that amount?
@STOCKUPBUILDINGWEALTH
@STOCKUPBUILDINGWEALTH 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video 🙏🏾
@STOCKUPBUILDINGWEALTH
@STOCKUPBUILDINGWEALTH 6 ай бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@STOCKUPBUILDINGWEALTH
@STOCKUPBUILDINGWEALTH 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for the update 💎
@peterharoon6016
@peterharoon6016 6 ай бұрын
Can you finance properties in Toronto
@Walina-gv9ph
@Walina-gv9ph 7 ай бұрын
Where are you getting cap rate comps for a 4plex?
@bigdog3628
@bigdog3628 7 ай бұрын
sounds like a renoeviction to me.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 11 ай бұрын
Happy Belated New Year. This is great material. I especially like the down-payment to breakeven line. This type of analysis merits a lot more views. I have to conclude that all speculators have exited stage left.
@michelvervais8093
@michelvervais8093 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Why an investor would put so much of his money down for a very slim ROI? Shouldn’t He be investing in stocks instead? I don’t get it.
@alejandrosantos1879
@alejandrosantos1879 Жыл бұрын
I love this
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 Жыл бұрын
What stands out for me is the unusually high Operating Expenses. Are they heating with an antiquated oil furnace or what? OE needs some analysis. Moreover, SRI is extremely low for 7 units IMO. Then there's the leverage issue. People have been conditioned to buy productive real estate with boatloads of leverage and hoping for a capital appreciation. They should be buying for the cash-flow with very little leverage. Problem for most people is that it's a big ticket item beyond their pay grade.
@matthewjames1172
@matthewjames1172 Жыл бұрын
dude, your channel should be called "Speculate in Ottawa"; there hasn't been "investment" for quite a few years now.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk Жыл бұрын
We will look into making that name change. LOL. I do understand your perspective. Investment buyers and sellers have had a disconnect for some time now. Rising mortgage rates only compounded the problem.
@matthewjames1172
@matthewjames1172 Жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWalchuk anyone who has purchased a property in Ottawa in the last 10 years (or perhaps longer)...no matter what they call themselves...is a speculator. houses are naturally depreciating liabilities.
@legacyturbo8485
@legacyturbo8485 Жыл бұрын
I’d never buy a rental property like that .!! Not worth it whatsoever
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 Жыл бұрын
I've had a fourplex for decades. Best investment in my portfolio. Yes, it has to be actively managed and can be a pain at times but it's revenues are indexed in the long run.
@legacyturbo8485
@legacyturbo8485 Жыл бұрын
@@DarR1299 kzbin.infoME8MkZPWAoU?si=QJZc3-82j6EvrPLR
@ramonassence1875
@ramonassence1875 Жыл бұрын
support
@ramonassence1875
@ramonassence1875 Жыл бұрын
oh thanks a lot
@nicoledawson634
@nicoledawson634 Жыл бұрын
P r o m o S M 🌷
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 Жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right about your comment regarding interest rate sensitivity. As a result, Sales are down. I would have to guess that inventory is way down as well. Strong hands have no reasons to divest with these low prices as many have cap rates north of 8%. Moreover, that's index's unlike a bond.
@Top1person
@Top1person Жыл бұрын
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@viraladvertisingtech3199
@viraladvertisingtech3199 Жыл бұрын
I would make more sense to have a link in the description to the actual listing so the viewer can look through details and other circumstances of the property. thanks
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk Жыл бұрын
We are not allowed to include an address or photo that would identify the listing of the sold property. Sorry, I'd love to give you that info.
@fedeicogomez5553
@fedeicogomez5553 Жыл бұрын
The math is wrong. Cap rate is actually 4.153% and if you divide NOI by the cap rate, the value is the same as the sale price. The video shows that the value is of 911,707 when it should actually be of 900,000.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk Жыл бұрын
The cap rate in the video is shown as 4.15%. Using this the value is $900,722.
@tangospizza8375
@tangospizza8375 Жыл бұрын
Straight to the point, great video Sir.
@Nolan.Gurule
@Nolan.Gurule Жыл бұрын
He said movie 😆
@juanrodarte1769
@juanrodarte1769 Жыл бұрын
In los angeles county you can not evict no one not even if they don't pay rent .
@yolodolo9143
@yolodolo9143 Жыл бұрын
That's so gay
@Walina-gv9ph
@Walina-gv9ph Жыл бұрын
Educate yourself. kzbin.infoj-NZpDAag98
@Walina-gv9ph
@Walina-gv9ph Жыл бұрын
There is no reason for an investor to try to calculate a cap rate. Why waste time doing this if you have the market value?
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk Жыл бұрын
Because Cap Rates allow an objective comparison between buildings of different sizes, revenues, and expenses, regardless of their Annual Debt Service, if any. It is also one of a number of data points used to compare one property to another. Some of the others are gross and net multipliers and operating expense ratios, etc. These are used in the comparative financial analysis of multi unit properties.
@Walina-gv9ph
@Walina-gv9ph Жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWalchuk NOPE! If you are comparing properties for sale but using the "asking price" to calculate a cap rate for "comparison" purposes then all you are comparing is the asking price. Seriously, why compare asking prices unless you always offer asking?! Not a good way to invest. Used correctly you get cap rate comps from sold similar properties and educate the seller why his asking price is a joke. You should know this.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk Жыл бұрын
@@Walina-gv9ph I'm sorry you fail to understand this. I've sold 85 apartment buildings, have 32 years experience and have taken bank appraisal method courses, so I do have some understanding of what I am doing.
@Walina-gv9ph
@Walina-gv9ph Жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWalchuk Instead of "saying" you know what you are talking about why not just "show" us. Everything you have stated so far is 100% incorrect. I say you can't.
@AgentInOttawa
@AgentInOttawa Жыл бұрын
@@Walina-gv9ph The numbers are based on SOLD Prices, not asking prices.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 Жыл бұрын
About the vacancy tax. That's got to be a violation of the charter of rights and freedom. If it's your principal residence, It's none of the governments business to dictate how many months per year you have to be there. If I want to travel around the world, I still want a place to come home to.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk Жыл бұрын
I could not agree more. It is a gross overreach with a misguided attempt at a solution to a social problem.
@Walina-gv9ph
@Walina-gv9ph Жыл бұрын
Where did you get the purchase price? Maybe you paid too much and that is why you are not cash flowing.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk Жыл бұрын
Hello. The purchase price is how much the property sold for. It's taken from the MLS system and is a matter of public record.
@Walina-gv9ph
@Walina-gv9ph Жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWalchuk What you are missing is that cap rate are used to get the value, You are explaining cap rates backwards.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk Жыл бұрын
@@Walina-gv9ph Yes the cap rate can be used to obtain value. (Value = NOI divided by Cap Rate) However I was not trying to obtain value as I already knew that. A Cap Rate is calculated by dividing the NOI by the sold price. If you want more detailed information on how to do the financial calculations and what they mean, please see the video in this link. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKqZmHqcpdWZndU&ab_channel=InvestInOttawa
@Walina-gv9ph
@Walina-gv9ph Жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWalchuk But ALL a cap rate tells you is what was paid for NOI, period. You have the VALUE so what are you trying to solve for?
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk Жыл бұрын
@@Walina-gv9ph Cap Rates allow an objective comparison between buildings of different sizes, revenues, and expenses, regardless of their Annual Debt Service, if any. It is just one of a number of data points used to compare one property to another. Some of the others are gross and net multipliers and operating expense ratios, Debt Service Ratios, etc. These are used in the comparative financial analysis of multi unit properties.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 Жыл бұрын
I could be wrong here but there's more damage psychologically than financially. Sure, if you're counting on major leverage it hurts but rent prices are going through the roof with Ottawa's one bedroom and two bedroom prices up YoY 19% and 14% respectively. Best guess here, but I think the pendulum will change rather quickly in the next few months as the BOC has overshot their tightening and politicians will scream at the damage they've caused. Capital market debt levels can't survive on current interest rates. Inflation be dammed, just like the central bank has done in the 70's.
@S.M.214
@S.M.214 2 жыл бұрын
It is outrageous that a landlord has to do cash for keys with a tenant who is a problem or non rent payer. The Residential Tenancy Board is totally ineffective for landlords.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
Yes the LTB seems heavily weighted toward the tenant. However it is unfortunate for both landlord and tenant that the Board is A) so slow in it's decision making process and B) so backlogged. Neither party gets prompt resolution and for the landlord it could mean foreclosure of their property.
@baboi0910
@baboi0910 9 ай бұрын
what if the landlord doesn’t want to give my deposit after i signed the N11?
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
Down payment required to breakeven is a welcome addition to your analysis. Well done.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome info as usual. I'm always curious to see a cap rate trend. Of course it's easy to state without knowing how labour intensive it would be to produce.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I'd like to see that as part of the monthly Real Estate Board stats, but I don't think that will ever happen. I occasionally have my assistant do a representative snapshot of cap rates, but even with Excel it can be labour intensive and I have to take admin off of other jobs to do that.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
We don't know what the differed maintenance or CAPEX would be required but at face value, it seems like a great deal.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling that both were significant.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWalchuk I suspect you're absolutely right
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy your videos and analysis which are very informative. I concur with you that the larger segment of the market may be skewed given the small sample size. However the 2~4 unit numbers seem about right. The significant reduction in sales and stable prices makes perfect sense in this environment. These building are predominantly held in strong financial hands. Moreover, these owners are typically more informed and rational than the average home owners. This is just my 2 cents worth but they're holding onto these properties because of their inflation outlook and rising rent potential which are up 10% in Ottawa over last year. They may also think that the Bank of Canada has painted itself in a corner and can't let interest rate normalize over the rate of expected inflation without causing a deflationary spiral. Like I said, this is just my best guess.
@AgentInOttawa
@AgentInOttawa 2 жыл бұрын
I always appreciate your input Dar.. I am sure Pat will respond also!😀 George.
@mate3889
@mate3889 2 жыл бұрын
Great analysis but how such investment makes any sense!?! Real estate in Canada appreciates 6.11% yearly on a 15 year average; inflation is 8%; ROI is -4%.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it can be a real head scratcher at times. I think we have to conclude that investors are no longer expecting to be cash flow positive with a 35% down payment and are putting more equity into the property. Secondly these are "buy and hold" people not looking to flip in a year or two. We are experiencing a market in transition.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
At first glance, the numbers don't look good but they are in reality. You shouldn't compare the returns of a leveraged investment against a non-leveraged investment just like you should not compare real returns with nominal returns. On a non-leveraged basis, this property yields a real return of 3.32% (after inflation) whereas a GIC with a nominal return of 5% yields a real return of negative -3%.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
For example, let's say you only put down 35% to buy a 5 year GIC paying 5% and you borrow the rest at let's say 5% also. That means your nominal return is 0%. However, your real return is negative -8% (inflation).
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
@@DarR1299 Dar you are correct (as usual) about comparing a non-leveraged (cap rate) investment to leveraged (cash on cash) investment. I debated the accuracy / confusion of doing this, and still do. I discussed this will some experienced investors owning significant assets and others who were new real estate acquisitions. In the end I thought the current calculations may best inform the widest experience of people. Others wanted more data on a longer term buy and hold position, over five years, of principal paydown and an average asset value increase of about 4%. It’s difficult where to draw the line.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWalchuk I personally, think the data you're providing is excellent to paint a picture of a particular market segment. You cannot please everyone nor do I think you should try. It just may get messy. The only piece I would remove is that 35% down which currently does not work in this economic environment. Perhaps one day it will again. However, what I would replace it with is the break-even LTV. In other words, what the smallest down payment required without the cash-flow going negative using the current 5 year fixed term mortgage rate.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
As I have posted in your May analysis, what I suspect here is a "Negative Gearing" purchase to lower the buyer's tax liability. I don't think the buyer intends to live in the building. I also suspect that buyer may have leveraged an even greater LTV using other assets as collateral.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
You could be right. I'd love to have a survey done of everyone who purchased these properties. My anecdotal experience is that few investors purchase with a tax liability consideration. However anecdotal experiences can be worthless in the broader reality of markets. I think that your second point is most likely correct regarding LTV, use of other assets or just plain old all cash buyers.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWalchuk A purchase forensic analysis. Wouldn't that be something!
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWalchuk just my 2 cents worth but seems the multifamily market is polarized between all cash and all high LTV. We know you can't cash-flow positive with 35% down where 50% down is about the breakeven mark for a clean building. Should you add-on deferred maintenance and CAPEX then we're entering an all cash purchase territory as you mentioned just to make it cash-flow positive.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
Jeez. How many times have I mentioned that you cannot cash-flow positive with 35% down? Those days are long gone. You now need 50% down, minimum. What we have here is a "Negative Gearing" purchase to lower the buyer's tax liability. Post edit: On that note, the buyer may have leveraged an even greater LTV using other assets as collateral.
@DarR1299
@DarR1299 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Patrick, can you comment further on the -1.2% decline? Personally, I wouldn't have been surprised by that or for a 1.2% increase either. Seems there's a tug of war between rising interest rates and rising rent prices.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with the tug of war comment but I would have leaned on the side of anticipating a 3 to 5% increase. This is because many people were locked into lower rates for 60 to 90 days. Vacancy rates remain relatively low. Rents can be shockingly high with some very average buildings getting $2,400 per month for a 1 bed, 1 bath unit, with no parking. Additionally is Ottawa's affluence, there are many people who can be all cash buyers (if they choose to be) for $1 to $2 million properties. As such I would have expected more buildings sold with higher prices, which is in contradiction to regular residential properties.
@charronfamilyconnect
@charronfamilyconnect 2 жыл бұрын
With variable rate mortgages on the rise will that not shrink the cap rate even more for real estate rental property investors? If you can stick you money in US treasuries at 3% why would you risk your money in real estate that seems to be trending down now with the Fed rate hikes?
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
There's no question that increased variable and fixed rates are slowing the market. I'd like to see another two to four months from now how this impacts pricing. Some people were locked into lower rates so once they expire we will have a clearer picture of the impact on pricing. But increased rates are certainly causing prices to be lowered if an investor wants to have a positive cash flow.
@charronfamilyconnect
@charronfamilyconnect 2 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWalchuk Thanks for your sincereity and sharing your honest opinion!
@tontoldoos
@tontoldoos 2 жыл бұрын
good data, thanks
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@davidsilver822
@davidsilver822 2 жыл бұрын
That's crazy.
@PatrickWalchuk
@PatrickWalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
Can't say that I disagree with you. This buyer must have had far more than a 35% down payment.