It's under the accessory part in customization. The wings for the head should be right next to the regular wings.

I mean, if they didn't I wouldn't have material to make videos on. So I guess I can't complain. lol

All true. While I do think Stolas has made mistakes that led to his broken relationship with his daughter, I also agree that it would put a person in shock when dealing with the aftermath. Still, blows my mind how many are complaining about Octavia like she doesn't have a reason to be mad. She should be mad after everything that's happened.

It is kind of funny Stolas used an ice statue. Couldn't the guy just make it disappear before it hits him? Doesn't he control ice? I mean if we really want to extremely analyze this, we'll be here all day.

@ which is why it’s supposed to be a comedic and not to be taken seriously. It’s the same with SpongeBob that can’t lift a glass of lemonade but somehow can effortlessly rotate the entire planet.

And can't drive a boat, but can rive both a giant rock and giant krabby patty. Logic, am I right? lol

Would IMP have to shut down for you, or do you think it could exist if it meant making some changes to it like "no families" or something like that? I also think there's more they could do besides being assassins. Blitzo did save Fizz from Crimson, and kind of acted as security when they had the clown competition for Mammon.

@ That last point could be true. But that’s still pretty limiting since I’m sure most potential hits for I.M.P. had some sort of family or friends to turn back to unless they wanna just murder billionaires from now on.

Probably because those were the only two words you put in the comment at first.

A few have. Yoshiko_vt was one of the ones I remember making a response. I think there's a few others I just had trouble finding their names.

@@MarcoStrangeso you can’t seem to remember the other people from my understanding

@@godofwarhammer7655 I don't mean to be rude to the other makers but most of their videos were hard to watch. The only reason I remember the person I brought up earlier was that person got cricism for it. For me, I just didn't like their video.

@@MarcoStrangeI don’t like Limus’ video either so that’s why I asked

@@godofwarhammer7655 I have the feeling he doesn't like any of mine, yet he keeps commenting. I had to block two channels on here, then I blocked his third after finding out he had another account

@@RyderTheGayRaptorUwU I haven't watched the series before, but I'd have to check it out. Thanks for the suggestion.

@ it’s not good it has s bunch of weird stuff with the characters who are minors being sexualized and the fandom is really toxic

@@RyderTheGayRaptorUwU oh okay. I heard of it just never gave it much thought

Now you see why I made two videos ripping apart Limus and their Angel Dust video. Like I said in my Limus video, it's like they never heard the term analysis before.

I love Ralphie May. RIP Anyway, you should have seen Limus after I called him out for trying to bully me. He continued trying to bully me because I dared post a picture of Nami from One Piece in a bikini on his server. If Limus is seriously drawing crap like that but calling me a creep for posting pics of Nami in the chat dedicated to talking about waifus, then I think you might be right about him having problems. By the way, I have another video specifically talking about my issues with Limus. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pl6VepaelquVpc0

Not only that, in my original Angel Dust video, I pointed out hypersexuality can be the result of being sexually abused, which the show clearly tells us Angel is the victim of. It's like everyone forgets seeing that and just assumes Viv made Angel that way for no reason.

I try not to be mean, but after Limus tried to bully and cancel me, I've had enough. They don't care about an actual debate, they just want people to think they're a genius, and will bully anyone that points out the obvious problems with their videos.

In my Limus video, someone told me they're autistic so I shouldn't be hard on them. I told them that doesn't give them an excuse to try to bully me for making a video about them saying they suck

@TheUnmitigatedDawn Can you tell me a part of the video that was out of line? I'm noticing you and Limus keep saying that, but you can't actually quote any line from my video

Now I have an issue with him because he was mean to me, he outright lied saying I deleted comments that never existed, and called me a creep for sharing pictures of nami from one piece because "they're lewd" keep in mind they were offical photos of her from the series, including her normal post timeskip outfit. I don't care what his issue is, Limus is a bully who will try to bully you if you tell them they're wrong and being on the spectrum doesn't make that okay

@ Oh I’m very sorry I didn’t know he did this, I never viewed him as immature just heavily passionate about things so much that he messed up. I hope he’ll learn from it or else it’s going to be the same drama I encountered from other creators who act like him before.

@positivea9111 well I learned not to waste my time with him or jerks like him. He wanted to try to bully me cause he can't take criticism. I don't tolerate bullying here. Also, thank you for your comment

@@MarcoStrangeWoah woah woah, calm down there Marco. Limus isn't a bully at all, there's little evidence that she is.

@TheUnmitigatedDawn So lying saying I deleted a non existent comment isnt bullying me? Calling me a creep publicly because I dare post a pic of an anime girl in a bikini and them saying "it's lewd" isn't bullying me? Or how bout their initial comment before I blocked them was just them laughing at me for this video instead of wanting to debate any point i made? Here's the main difference between me and Limus. I explain why with whatever my claims are. They just make claims and expect you to accept it.

I will say that while the storyboarder does have some things that I'm not particularly interested in, there is an interview they did talking about this and they do bring up the point that the scenes they did were all Viv's ideas. While they did the art, it was still Viv directing things like what was supposed to happen and all that. It wasn't like the artist was taking liberties.

@@ramblchat55 did she even know if she didn’t then can you really blame her? The animator has nothing to do with the actual creation of the story in the characters so it’s not like they’re on the writing staff or something.

​@RyderTheGayRaptorUwU considering all the gross shit that happened at Nickelodeon yeah I think we should talk about it. It's gross how Hazbin fans will find any reason to defend this gross shit

@@DamonisMidnight to be honest my problem with her video it’s just the way she goes about it. That’s about it yk, I can’t really get upset that another victim’s trauma make them see stuff like this in a different way What I can get upset at is having them tell me it’s not good representation for all victims because they personally don’t like it

@Ryder I'm sorry your comments to Limus are gone. After them lying saying I was trying to censor them, I decided the best thing to do was block them. I'm willing to debate anyone, but I don't put up with harassment.

@ what they say?

They accused me of deleting a comment where they supposedly answered what exactly they disliked. Again, at no time did i ever get that comment from them that said that. You also saw most of them. Did you see any comment from them doing any of that?

@ no I didn’t

I also got this for a Rosa video I was planning to do. So far, it's still a work in progress. But thanks for the comment lol

Are you making a new account? I blocked the old one since you said it was hacked.

That was really what led to this video being created. I said to myself "this is actually harmful, and someone needs to say something" As for reacting to songs, again, from what I've seen, they're not good an analysis. This is the same person who said poison glamorizes abuse after all.

@@MarcoStrange I feel like the only really valid criticism you could give of angel and the show is if you yourself are a victim and have gone through the same thing, and you just aren’t comfortable with how it’s betrayed, but everything else always just either lies or misinterpreting the purpose of angel

It also bugs me they titles their video how not to write a victim of abuse, but end it saying "oh if you like him it's okay" Like which is it? Is he a bad thing, or is it okay that he exists?

I also tried asking Limus what he thought of those songs. Turns out they commented on this video. I pointed out how they like to ignore things so don't expect an answer. Like Poison, I doubt they actually watched my video

I am happy Enter has gotten better since then, and I think he's made some of his best work after that. Also, I admit his lines here were better than what Limus said in their video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pl6VepaelquVpc0si=SBRars9A1Zvc_Bvv

@MarcoStrange I am happy too, though I've only ever seen a handful of his vids, including both 'Turning Red' reviews. I myself am an autist too, so I hate seeing fellow autists get made fun of. Of course, making fun of people is a sucky thing to do in general, but when it happens to other autists, it bothers me even more, especially since I got bullied from 4th grade onward, though there wasn't as much of it when I was in high school. I've never heard of Limus before, but I am a 'Hazbin Hotel' & 'Helluva Boss' fan, though I'm far from being caught up on the latter.

@Optimegatrongodzilla I'm sorry that happened to you. I will state my intentions were never to make fun of Enter for being autistic. I'd honestly say I was more mad at the time cause he was one of my favorites and I'll always defended him. After that and his meltdown I felt like an idiot for ever doing all that. As far as Limus, they made a video called how not to write a victim of abuse and said angel dust was a negative stereotype. They also said that angel and husk shouldn't relate to each other cause they're so different. I had an issue with all that and thought someone should do a video saying that's wrong

@MarcoStrange Thank you and given your first reply to me, it's obvious that that wasn't your intention.

@@Optimegatrongodzilla Thank you. I appreciate hearing that and hope to hear from you again on my videos in the future.

@@RyderTheGayRaptorUwU I asked this to another person who commented on this shirt. I'm planning a video talking about my problems with Limus in general since I think it deserves its own video. Do you mind if I talk about your comment in the video?

@of course u can

@@RyderTheGayRaptorUwU thank you

Thanks again and here's the video I made. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pl6VepaelquVpc0si=VctjqmxLuwBanAsf

I won't ban your comment. I never do. I will ask why you're referring to me in the third person. You know I'm Marco right? You can just say "you" when talking about things I did in my video. lol

@@MarcoStrange lol mb bad man😭

Why can't an adult show have bright colors and music? I'm in my 30s, but I still enjoy those things. Having a show targeted at me with the stuff I enjoyed about shows I grew up with is refreshing.

Also "hypersexual pan/bi" is also a stereotype, so the criticism would've been there regardless. Personally, as a gay man myself, it's nice to see a show that lets a hyper sexual, feminine gay man exist and explore his character deeper instead of just pretending we don't exist for fear of criticism.

@oliveranderson928 I'm 32 and I also enjoy the colorful palette the show has. It's a nice change than what most adult cartoons do

I'm actually planning on doing a video on just Limus in the near future. I was kind of on the fence about it, but after my personal experiences with them and their server, and a comment I got from one of my shorts I made from this video, I think it's worth dedicating a video to talking about my issues with Limus. Also, thank you. I saw a few good and bad videos on responding to Limus. My intention has always been not to say, "I think your point is dumb," or anything like that. I always try to make a counter cause being able to discuss things is an essential tool that most people don't use. While I don't think Limus would give me the same treatment, something I'll discuss in that Limus video, I'll still do my best when making videos where I disagree with someone to explain why I disagree with them.

It does make me mad at Limus because they immediately call it a harmful stereotype. That could send the message that anyone relating to a character like Angel Dust is wrong to relate to them, and decides hiding their abuse is better than being what Limus calls a "harmful stereotype." Limus really doesn't realize the harm they're causing by calling Angel a harmful stereotype because they don't feel the need to take a deeper look in the series. Really sad that a series wants to show real abuse, and Limus automatically assumes a character being abused is glamourizing abuse. Isn't it funny they didn't bother explaining how the show glamorizes abuse? They just said it does and thought that was enough.

@ yeah it’s a really shit move ngl, cause his take makes it seem like anyone who acts fine, is fine, when in reality they could be fighting thoughts of self delete, self harm and other things like that

That right there is my biggest problem. People like Limus never think about stuff like this when they make comments like that. It really makes me disgusted that they'll say stuff like this and not think twice. I don't mean to question their status as a victim, but I have some serious questions how someone who claims to be a victim can just make a statement like that without thinking twice. And no, I don't care that they said at the end "well if you like Angel that's okay." That doesn't take away the complaints their made prior in their video.

@ no it’s understandable! I get why you question their status as a victim, ngl I kinda do too, like you can’t just claim your a victim and make a whole video showing that you haven’t faced any of this shit before. Like I have the scars to show what I went through (my unhealthy coping was skin picking and eyebrow plucking, and I have a lot of scars on my face from where I would pull off scabs) and I’m not saying that Linus should show photos of his scars or give proof, but if he really had suffered the same thing as Angel, he would have pointed out that Angel was masking by downplaying just how bad his unhealthy coping mechanism was.

would you mind if I do decide to do a follow up video about this if I talk about what you told me in these comments? I feel like I have more to say about Limus in general, including my bad experience in their server that i joined.

@@yana_v_v thanks. I'm happy to hear that. I will say there's so many things Limus says that didn't make sense, including their thoughts on Poison.

I'm convinced Limus didn't watch the whole thing. I think they assumed the worst about it and thought there was nothing else worth seeing about it. Limus also never explains why Pumped Up Kicks is allowed to exist, but Poison shouldn't. Would really love it if they answered that. I won't hold my breath, though.

So every creator should just take into account that what they make will eventually get in the hands of people who aren't supposed to be watching it? Shows like Bojack Horseman, Invincible, and South Park should all change despite the fact they make it clear they're for an older audience and not for kids? You're basically blaming Viv for making a show and not saying, "hey I should change my vision of the series I want to make cause eventually someone is not going to be a parent and let their kids watch it." It's the same reason parents were mad at Deadpool for being R rated, because they're not smart enough to actually look at the rating before letting their kids watch it. The rating whether you like it or not, is responsible. It's saying, "if you're not this age, then it's not for you and you shouldn't be watching it." Again, blaming her is stupid, because then you should be blaming anyone who's ever made anything for a mature audience in the past.

The only downside to what you’re saying is, Hazbin Hotel isn’t on KZbin. The original Pilot episode is, but the rest of the season is only available to watch on Prime Video. Meaning it’s not free to view to the world, only to people who use Amazon and have Prime Video accounts (that are paid for). Vivziepop’s other show, Helluva Boss, is available on KZbin, but this discussion is revolved around a character from Hazbin Hotel. Prime Video is a public domain but not to everyone in the same way KZbin is.

I miss the days when characters with flaws were actually welcomed. Everyone seems to think making any character "perfect" is the best way to represent anyone. I don't care who you are, but no one is perfect. Again, it's hard to believe people don't realize that.

That’s not the point of their critique. The point is, don’t write a victim of abuse to be “sexy” or like a “fetish” because that’s what this comes off as. Watch a victim of SA from literally any other show like Devilman Crybaby. Where instead of a fun pop song musical with flashing lights, and moaning, there are painful moans echoing which makes the character come off as empathetic whether than objectifying. Even when some characters please themselves to cope with their trauma, they don’t moan, but rather groan in frustration maybe even hyperventilate or yell or on the verge of crying. I was horrified by the music video but not in the same way other SA scenes or “pleasuring self” scenes in other shows horrified me. I find this more upsetting with how Angel Dust was “sexualized” as he’s abused. It doesn’t help that Viv hired someone with a grape fetish. It feels more objectifying than empathetic. Maybe if Angel was groaning in pain or on the verge of crying and had to have drugs forced down his throat to “feel good”, that would actually be more upsetting than a fun pop musical. The fact that people accuse us of saying Angel isn’t a “good victim” is honestly disgusting and people just don’t seem to understand any of the points we try to make. We don’t expect Angel to be a “good boy” just better written with respect. And victim or not, it doesn’t give him a free pass for sexual harassment towards Husk or anyone and he would deserve to be called out on that. And he should know the feeling isn’t pleasant. Pilot Angel Dust only used s** jokes to throw off Sir Pentious because he knew it made people uncomfortable. That was funny. And not all of his jokes were X jokes. It’s one thing to be hypersexual which happens to 20% of SA victims which is understandable. But it doesn’t give him a free pass to SH someone like Husk especially when he uses those tactics to throw off Sir Pentious. It’s fine if he was flirtatious and acts all seductive but no still means no. And if Husk feels uncomfortable and tells him to stop, then he needs to stop. Angle can still understand boundaries because he’s crossed them in order to throw off his opponents. He should still know better. He doesn’t have to be a “good boy”, he doesn’t have to be “perfect”, but he needs to know some boundaries and understand that when he makes people he likes uncomfortable, to back off and written with respect instead of some XXX icon. If people say, “he’s hypersexual and can’t help it” well I guess you can say the same about his abuser (who I can’t tell if I should take seriously or as a joke).

@@MarcoStrangeflaws are welcomed but they also must be acknowledged. I don’t want characters “perfect”. I want them written with respect. Part of that respect is to acknowledge the flaws to build up the character. Yes everyone has flaws, accepting imperfections is part of being human. It’s the disrespect with the character I can’t stand. Flaws need to be acknowledged honestly, directly and with focus on learning how to improve and take responsibility for your actions and without excuses or minimizing their impact. No one is above criticism. And saying “people are allowed to have flaws” is an excuse to avoid improvement of one’s behavior and owning up to their mistakes. Yes nobody is perfect, but it’s how we focus on our growth when acknowledging our flaws that’s important.

@ ah yes. How dare the musical show have a number about an abuse victim struggling to leave their abuser that isn’t overtly sad or depressed. Never mind all the scenes where Angel Dust is visibly uncomfortable or using unhealthy coping mechanisms, or all the real life victims that are taught what happened to them was okay. It’s almost like abuse is a complex issue that messes with how someone perceives themselves, their worth, and what interactions are considered okay. Wild, I know. Angel Dust doesn’t need to be the world’s bestest person. He’s in *Hell.* Sinners aren’t *supposed* to all be amazing people. He’s flawed. He’s a victim who is struggling. Does that excuse what happened to him as okay? No. Does that mean him doing it is okay? No. But he is a character who is **meant to be flawed because he’s a sinner.** He’s in Hell for a reason. You can’t have character growth if the person starts off with no flaws.

@ashebennett7726 the series is also one season in. With all due respect, if Angel fixed all his flaws by then, people would complain how that's unrealistic. I agree what you said should happen, but would you say it should wrap up all that within 8 episodes with other stories going on as well?

@@TheUnmitigatedDawn thank you lol I was worried some of the lines I said would be taken as insults, but they really were just critiques. Like saying they should take a deeper look at things instead of assuming a song like poison is meant to glamorize abuse. I will admit though sometimes I can be a little hard with my critiques too.

@@MarcoStrange Trust me, your critiques don't come off that harsh. Again, the way many Hazbin stans went on to mock and bully Limus despite being a victim of SA herself was disgusting.

@TheUnmitigatedDawn that was another reason I brought up them being a victim. I did have a concern people would bring this up, so I made a comment to say "my critiques in no way are meant to say they're not really a victim" Thats also why I did my own research like about Angel Dust being hypersexual. While I heard that it was a thing that can happen to victims, I wanted to make sure it was sourced instead of saying "I heard other people say this instead" I'll also admit Limus did make me mad with their video. I do think it's bad to say Loser Baby doesn't work because Angel and Dusk are so different. However, I knew insulting Limus wouldn't get my point across on why I disliked it.

I can do both things hahahahahaha

@@gundradestroyer4480 do you have your own video on this? I'll check it out if you do

@@FizzTail thank you. Hope you check out the whole video as well. While they say even crazier stuff, I make sure to correct them still. Lol kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6fMhHWum8hkbLcsi=ngyTIllg2CiURl6u

@MarcoStrange I'll definitely leave a like but hearing that guy talk about hazbin like that was so wrong 💀

@@FizzTail agreed. Sorry you had to go through that, but I hope my parts telling them they were wrong made it worth it. Lol

@@tiawolf3610 I'm happy to hear that. Honestly in my initial script I was more mean and a couple of good people told me "hey you need to focus more on praising Angel cause thay should be the focus" and they were right. I don't know if Limus did research, but it does come off like they didn't. I admit I walked in not knowing certain things, which was why I did try my best to at least learn more before commenting kn anything. I still believe the worst thing was him trying to say Angel and Husk can't relate to each other. That just sends the message you should be more closed off to people unless they're going through the exact same thing, which would only hurt victims cause they wont open up to others. I really wish Limus would have thought of that before saying it. I am happy to hear my video had that impact on you, and hope you stay around to see more of my videos in the future. And also thanks for the comment.

@@rileyanthony can't go through email?

​​@@MarcoStrange unfortunately no as that account didn't have an email attached to because I forgot to add it on but all be making a new discord account soon

Thank you

@@MarcoStrange your welcome

The complaint I hate the most is the "glamourizing abuse" one like Limus is doing. Like I said, I don't know how anyone can watch Angel Dust being abused and think the show is glamourizing it.

There's someone who only watched the anime reading this saying, "MOKA'S MOM APPEARS IN THE MANGA!?" lol