Hrmmm how do you mean exactly?

@Apoptosis808GK I mean, are any of the changes good enough to counter some of the air rushes players had been using?

@TKGameGuy Ahhh gotcha. Yeah I mean it depends. Right now vanguard really only goes Hornets to counter other air, Infernal goes Spriggan as a late game tech switch typically. Celestials are going Scythes fairly often so that's the big thing factions are trying to counter. Vanguards seem to be making Hedgehogs vs it and Infernal go Gaunt and Shadowflyer (:

@@ThrivingGG yes.

@daPawlak I hope they do, it's a really great expression of skill! I'm okay with not every race being able to do it efficiently but the Infernal method just seems quite over costed at the moment... but let's see!

@@Apoptosis808GK yeah I guess time will tell. It's way to early to tell categorically what is good and what is not. Like the "low hanging fruit" strategies are quickly developed but it takes time to make use of all that game gives you. Back to drops though, I would not like them being totally unviable but neither I want them to be too common. Drop play being too good in SC2 is IMO one of more important issue turning new players off. If you lose in a big battle, you can easily realize what you done wrong, ans often it feels more fair then having this one or two units just fly into your main and suddenly there is a bunch of enemy soldiers there and then you die. Typically response to that is just overbuilding static def so then you lose again, so you decide game is stupid and just leave. Perfectly drops should be quite hard and not give too much of advantage with one successful drop. On the other hand it should not be prohibitively expensive to branch into it. I guess overall that is hard thing to balance out so I am hoping they will focus on that part of the game at some point in history. In closed beta, there was a time when infernal drops where super common, right?

Making gaunt play cost even less therium would make it imba, no matter if the cut is in structure or tech. Cutting structure cost is even better since that is the secondary resource earlier in the game. I think they will probably go back to the earlier price regardless, I hope quick research time will stay, although that too maybe will have to go.

@@Buttersman glad you enjoyed!!

I am 1-2 against him lol

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@topplopp9751 I haven't as much but I feel like there is something? I almost took a game off Theory with it when I surprised him with it!

@Buttersman That's totally fair, and I used to do build guides off games themselves. I'll add tlink about doing both in the future - most games I did this the Van just fell over so thought a custom would be good to show the clean version of it. The games I lost they went hangar bay very early and were quite ready for it!

@@Apoptosis808GK I think both approaches have their merits! Thanks for taking the time.

@daPawlak I will see what I can find but IvC is much more macro focused. I have a general game plan in the MU and once I'm more comfortable I'll try to make a video on it!

Looking forward to it, as for hornets, the scourge eye thingy is a good counter or not really?

Shadowflyer

this build is decent for IvC, you want to pressure more with brutes, get more macro and some shadowfliers later on, but generally you can somftably mass spriggans vs cel and fight a lot of stuff head on.

@@daPawlak Post! We moved it a week to get onto the new patch. Enjoy (:

​@@Apoptosis808GK If post patch shouldn't the observer UI have map name and game clock?

@@almightyhydra oh gosh lol wrong tournie I'm sorry! This is pre patch. the next tournie VOD coming out is post. Thanks for catching that

@@daPawlak Sorry correction this is prepatch!

@MRApht Minerals in SC2 had the same types of micro but it was a bit easier than microing on the luminite mine, would be nice if the micro was a touch easier to do!

I tested it. If you rush to block it it isn't able to properly build all 30. But one or two structures wont be enough, you have to like race to block off the whole thing, it's quite hard to do so I don't think it'll ever happen in a normal game.

@@Apoptosis808GK So with only one structure, even a shrine which is pretty big, you'll end up with 30 still. Thanks! I'm guessing you could get some really short walking time and efficient mining. More useful for those races with cheaper therium drop sites.

Overall the change just seems really bad? Would have made sense if nightfall was the way it used to be if they wanted to encourage it's use more with how it operated previously

Very possible! Regardless I don't think the Gaunt will be leaving the Inf army as a solid ranged dps option, so my initial reaction was off of this (:

@Apoptosis808GK yeah I mean I haven't played the new patch but it always seemed to me that they initially balanced the gaunt by having it's average damage be lower than the other races units that fill a similar role due to infest. With infest virtually out of the picture now I don't think the slight damage buff they gave offsets the fact that you can't reliably infest with them any more. I agree with the change of making the condition that the gaunt is on shroud and having a condition for plague axes to proc infest does seem interesting to me.

Thank you kind topology explanation man

@@daPawlak Super fair! I will be honest I did forget that unit (: Hoping the springs buffs are meaningful enough to see this under-utilized unit

@@Apoptosis808GK yes, I hope that too. I didn't have idea that it does that until watching your video I decided to check wiki about it. Now I see it could perhaps be useful maybe even with main army for that slow... We will see this update will definitely shake some shit up, I worry Vanguard may become untouchable but with early meta such swings are inevitable. Glad they get rid of the dog domination it was super boring state of game, especially playing Vanguard... Now I might revisit them, but I am still going to mostly stick to Infernals and try to figure out how to do it without guant infest.... Mass brute seems like a must in early game now, no?

@daPawlak Brute, which was already very good, is now just even better so I do think we will see perhaps more double Vault play where the meta allows

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@SeanSmithPit Yeah I did a LOT of rambling in this video as I digested the Gaunt change lol - not the most succinct video I've posted but hopefully still interesting.

@@daPawlak Gonna wait for the new patch before doing too much more - let's see what changes (:

@@Apoptosis808GK makes sense, I am looking forward to it anyway, celestial so far seem like much harder challenge