Very promising. Do you think it would be possible to forge a sword from M2 without it being too brittle?
@BluntCutMetalWorksКүн бұрын
Strain/stretch is a critical requirement for a good working sword, where M2 and high carbon steels lacked thereof possible to make a thick/broad but not flexible sword.
@bilbo_gamers6417Күн бұрын
@@BluntCutMetalWorks Interesting. So it's not elastic enough? I'm not a mechanical engineer at all, but I like the toughness and hardness of these high alloy steels. Is there any kind of high speed steel that could suit this purpose? I mean, normal non-alloy high carbon steel is great for this purpose.
@BluntCutMetalWorks11 сағат бұрын
@@bilbo_gamers6417 It sure can has full elasticity range but I stated strain/stretch tolerance for these steels are low, thereby having narrow plasticity range and essential no necking/elongation. HSS ht to low hrc and also high % of cobalt matrix steels should support reasonable functioning sword. To support activities induce high impact/impulse and acute bending radius, material need at least 10% elongation, else material would unzip (uncontrolled crack propagation) into 2 pieces. That is why, working swords out there have ~40-54hrc and 0.5%C martensite matrix (note matrix, not overall composition).
@bilbo_gamers641710 сағат бұрын
@@BluntCutMetalWorks Very interesting point about elongation. So it wouldn't be possible because they can't elongate? By the way, I ask because katanas often have HRC of around 65 but they are very stiff and not designed to flex as much as European swords
@BluntCutMetalWorks10 сағат бұрын
@@bilbo_gamers6417 Right and agreed. 65hrc is the ceiling hardness for slicing tools - esp pertaining to katana. On avg katana has around 0.7-0.8%C low alloy steel. Also unlike low flex broad sword, katana would performs poorly/badly/broken on metal to metal interaction, unless it ht-ed sub 50hrc. broad swords leverage mass/bulk/blunt force. Sword required ductility, wear resistance is a nice-to-have. Keenness (dull resistance, stay sharp longer) is inverse proportional to ductility. Si02 is around 64rc, so higher hrc stay sharp longer in natural usage.
@highplains7777Ай бұрын
There's nothing wrong with A2 if you don't mind a little surface rust. It's an underrated steel in my opinion. I like it as a hobby knife maker because it's pretty stable during heat treat and isn't too hard to finish.
@caseylewis2835Ай бұрын
I am a little late to this video LOL however, this is a fantastic video. Great explanations and you have a magnificent collection! Great job!
@Cy1onRaider2 ай бұрын
i mentioned you in a popular KnifeTubers channel. I hope there are others who are interested in your cutlery prowess.
@BluntCutMetalWorks2 ай бұрын
Appreciated!
@harrisquicksilver65952 ай бұрын
U are an excellent blade steel tester, u have so many different types of products that u use to test the edge retention. Great job, thanks for the info and video.
@BluntCutMetalWorks2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@lindboknifeandtool2 ай бұрын
Awesome results. I’m always dumb and think the spec sheets actually have the real max hardness listed
@BluntCutMetalWorks2 ай бұрын
Make one wonder about their company metallurgists heat treating ability eh ;)
@craigcarroll61613 ай бұрын
Would it be possible to grind some weight off that head, thinning it out something like the Rinaldi heads so that your good steel can cut more chunks a little easier? You are one persistent and determined man. Is your plan to cut through that trunk?
@BluntCutMetalWorks3 ай бұрын
Extra weight and chips removal geometry are critical elements for fast chopping this hardwood. Extra thin upper cheek promotes deeper penetration hence harder on the thin edge and not enough deflection to bounce/kick chips away. I did thought about doing a big log challenge... maybe at a later time.
@johnq.citizen80763 ай бұрын
I spent 10 years chopping eucalyptus in my backyard with different axes, hatchets, and machetes. That's the sharpest axe I've ever seen in my life.
@BluntCutMetalWorks3 ай бұрын
Thanks. It was a little un-nerving when swinging fast, edge seems too eager to go beyond intended depth :)
@scottecooke3 ай бұрын
I never thought of the edge deflecting and having that hollow ground effect. Pushing things to the extreme seems to be when these funny little issues present themselves. Removing the burr sounds like a nightmare with a zero grind of that angle even without deflection.
@BluntCutMetalWorks3 ай бұрын
LOL - the first 2 times of wired-edge, they look perfect and were easily removed by bending side-to-side with finger; however edge below already concaved. At time, these attempts feel 'futile'
@southerncross1003 ай бұрын
Love that blade profile. 😍
@BluntCutMetalWorks3 ай бұрын
I like it too, a few of these blades/blanks are waiting for next few sequences.
@paulp.8794 ай бұрын
Love the video! My brother got into forging a few years ago and I bought him some stock of 52100 and O1. I think he’s always questioned what good O1 is/can be. I’ll have him start watching your videos!
@BluntCutMetalWorks3 ай бұрын
52100 is much easier to ht (even blind folded :D), O1 easier to screw-up but can exceed best 52100
@adanma174 ай бұрын
Wicked thin monster ❤
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Thanks
@CNYKnifeNut4 ай бұрын
Explaining how it behaved on the plate was wild. Great stuff, like always!
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Edge deflection always at-play when chasing either ultra-thin angle or ultra-keen edge when shaping/sharpening with plate abrasive.
@lindboknifeandtool4 ай бұрын
I love videos like these man. You put out so much excellent information.
@lindboknifeandtool4 ай бұрын
Oh man chasing a wire edge on a knife like that sounds mind melting. Again, providing excellent information for the community.
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
I need to go forth with another experiment, thus reason for not zero-ffg again but settled for 3 dps instead was aim for 2.6 dps.
@NathanAkins-or3pz4 ай бұрын
So far, what combination of steel, rc hardness, and edge geometry has gotten you the thinnest yet durable edge?
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Well, thus far O1 around 64rc well suited for/if this pursuit ...
@NathanAkins-or3pz3 ай бұрын
Interesting!!
@lindboknifeandtool4 ай бұрын
How do you get it that hard?
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
10v can yields up to 69.6rc AQ, hence 66.5rc isn't is definitely within normal hardness. Thanks.
@anelpasic52324 ай бұрын
Very clever test rig.
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Thanks
@charlesrock77704 ай бұрын
When he did that test for ripley the bar was probably iron not modern steel
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Well, test samples/specimens are still displaying somewhere, so EDS them to know however nobody probably care...
@bladetherapy37974 ай бұрын
Excellent information! Thank you very much! I am looking at an n690 fixed blade for ocean swimming/diving and wasn't sure about the stainlessness of n690, this vide9 helped very much, subbed!
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Hey cool - swimming/diving sounds really fun, water temp? I was an ocean swimmer for 15 years, still can swim but toes & fingers hate me when water temp below 20c/68f :)
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
I just swept(20240427 15:01) the concrete floor - saw a deep slanted gash. Aha, edge chipped when it broke through 4" thick concrete block and plywood, edge slammed into shop floor at a bad angle.
@gialuongpham78704 ай бұрын
When watching this clip I think of Thach Sanh's ax in the fairy history. Good work !
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Thanks. Hèn chi cái búa nầy nặng quá chừng, chỉ có Thạch Sanh bửa nổi thôi ;)
@southerncross1004 ай бұрын
Great design and performance 👏 👏
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Thanks
@jamayajamaya4 ай бұрын
Hi my friend would you sell any of your knives
@southerncross1004 ай бұрын
I take my hat off to you for the creative and real world relevancy of your testing. 👍👍
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Thanks. Sciences must apply, otherwise voodoo/delusional
@jamayajamaya4 ай бұрын
Hello my friend would you sell any of your knives
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Thanks for asking, For the last 3 years - I/BCMW mostly stopped selling/listing knives to general public. Occasional sales are still happening for those following my/BCMW works.
@southerncross1004 ай бұрын
Love the shin guards. 👍I assume you didn't want to test the edge with accidental bone contact 😉
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Right! Also I think - chainmail sock alone won't be that helpful minimize the damage from an axe strike - impact force is too high, hence cushion is required to enlarge the contact area (thus much lower psi).
@umakako4 ай бұрын
💪💪 Good work man!
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
Thanks
@bartlabuschagne9755 ай бұрын
Thank you. I’ll definitely try that. A clear and simple guide and explanation. Much appreciated.
@gialuongpham78706 ай бұрын
What a useful exercise (for the health and public good). But at the same time we can see that a good tool will save a lot of energy. Your welded axe blade cuts through wood like butter, that would be difficult to achieve with the original blade. As usual you look very healthy and happy.
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Thanks. Original blade has 60 degrees cutting edge and 45 degrees bevel, thus hardly penetrate and re-bounce energy hurt arm & shoulder :) It was fun chopping stuff and increased my stamina at swinging heavy axe.
@southerncross1006 ай бұрын
That penetration on unbraced limbs is impressive. 👍
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Thanks. It was fun chopping and probably will clear the stream later when it dried up
@alexandermcalpine6 ай бұрын
Lightsabre!
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Yup, it is nifty thin axe bit and geometry. I was quite gentle with delimbing swings.
@southerncross1006 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@nonyobussiness34406 ай бұрын
A double bit tazzie would be cool
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Sure it would... I've a double bit head (I cutoff the bits), will make this one when time permits
@RichKielbasa6 ай бұрын
Looks for the visitors behind at the 10:14
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
See previous video - cruforgev trail clearing - 2+1 persons crossed at that trail section. There are still a large branch around thigh high blocks the path. It is almost dried now, I plan to buck that log and 3-4 others closer to the ground later on
@adanma176 ай бұрын
Needs a rex 121 khukhri lol
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Sure, a 8+mm thick rex121 69+rc would works in the khukri shape but wouldn't work as an axe bit
@adanma176 ай бұрын
@@BluntCutMetalWorks one knot and a chunk is gone
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
@@adanma17 Khukri edge geometry is very stout, it is more of a smasher than cutter. rex121 axe bit this thin would fail in 1 swing :)
@RichKielbasa6 ай бұрын
Who did not at the 7:11 mark? 😢
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Nod to an ultra trail runner walks his dog
@sirsir96656 ай бұрын
Niolox is crazy. It's very corrosion resistant but has a lot of durability for a stainless steel.
@8thsinner6 ай бұрын
Was that with a microbevel? Or straight bevel to cutting edge?
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
It has 30 degrees micro-bevel (cutting edge). If chopping pine or douglasfir (soft log), 15 degrees would be fine but blue gum is 5 times harder hence need 30* micro. For a normal 58-60rc axe with 15* bevel and micro like this, edge will mangle badly when chopping blue gum (~2400 in janka hardness, note: white pine janka is 460).
@8thsinner6 ай бұрын
@@BluntCutMetalWorks Nice work, so salt forging seems to be better for several types of steel...cool
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
@@8thsinner Not sure what you meant by salt forging? I like to forge but don't have a facility for that - ideally an isolated location (way away from ppl) with 50Kg power hammer... So, my research is mostly stock removal and harden using ht oven.
@8thsinner6 ай бұрын
@@BluntCutMetalWorks I figured this is what you meant when you said in another comment that you're using unconventional systems. Never mind.
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
@@8thsinner BCMW hardening process takes 1 to 30 days (currently around 2 days, est 50-70% from optimal) vs conventional ht takes 5 hrs. BCMW process in production will takes 2-3 hrs. Crystal Science/physics is elegantly simple but conventional metallurgy is an empirical/stochastic art.
@southerncross1006 ай бұрын
👍👍
@CNYKnifeNut6 ай бұрын
Well damn. That was pretty impressive.
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@huckstirred71126 ай бұрын
@@BluntCutMetalWorks o1 isn't suppose to do that
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
@@huckstirred7112 Right on, O1 is very brittle - esp at 60+rc - when ht using conventional/industry protocol.
@pepepepito6236 ай бұрын
I think you are the only dude in KZbin that knows how to chop w/ machete. Hope that you use a file to sharpen the tool in the field...
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Thanks. I sharpen with diamond plate, although a AlO stone would be good as well. This blade is 62.5rc which is way harder than most file on the market.
@southerncross1006 ай бұрын
The penetrative on the seasoned blue gum was impressive. 👍
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Blue gum heartwood is sure hard - acts similar to dried Honduran rosewood. Pleasantly surprised this bolo edge didn't blew out large crescent shape chips.
@southerncross1006 ай бұрын
You certainly gave yourself and the Bolo a solid workout. 👍
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
A bonus - I got a few 'thanks' from ppl for opened up the trail
@danygodbout9796 ай бұрын
I still don’t understand how welding the piece to the axe don’t affect the heat treat. When I weld hardened pieces of steel to normal steel it always breaks near the weld. And it get really hot even from small tack which I assumed would affect the heat treat. How do you weld it?
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Wrapped the bit edge with very wet folded paper towel will keep the edge from over-heating. No problem touching the edge with fingers during and right after weld.
@danygodbout9796 ай бұрын
@@BluntCutMetalWorks ok i get it , thanks
@mikafoxx27176 ай бұрын
Would be interestin to re-heat treat one of the Richtig knives to see how much better you can do with his steel. Make the Richtig knife of legend.
@kknives_switzerland6 ай бұрын
Very interesting
@emilyscandycakes45306 ай бұрын
Wonderful...what's the temp you quenched at and what did you use for quenching?
@mikafoxx27176 ай бұрын
I would love to see you send some samples to Larrin to test on his machine, he's said he tests them for free but more importantly it would be interesting to see what he thinks about the special treatments you're doing.
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Larrin did tested a few set of un-notched charpy specimens for me. Excellent results however I need much faster turn around time. My tests are relative/against control specimens, so a certified pendulum charpy tester is nice but doesn't needed nor will enhance signal/noise ratio, especially when my #s are 1 to 5x relative to control. I started out with un-notched samples but they kept destroyed the carbide striker head due to high ft-lbs, hence switched to notched samples, of which around 1/10 ft-lb of un-notched.
@mikafoxx27176 ай бұрын
Very impressive performance. You seem to subscribe to Cliff Stamp's hypothesis or ideal of optimizing the edge geometry and in your case, optimizing the heat treatment for the most edge stability to hold such angles. The toughness at such high hardness is seriously impressive.
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Well, gotta kept all other variables, esp geometry, equal/same when testing ht performance.
@ThirdoptionJCSU4 ай бұрын
@@BluntCutMetalWorks Which one is better for fighting knife 52100 or A2?
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
@@ThirdoptionJCSU 52100 supports higher/more bend/flex (for same thickness) thus blade less likely to fracture/split when subjected to prying motion... than A2
@ThirdoptionJCSU4 ай бұрын
@@BluntCutMetalWorks Oh great!I DOnt have any A2 knives but all my choppers are in cpm 3v,52100,5160 and O1.There is a guy i think he is Japanize and he makes videos here on youtube saying that A2 is a way better than 3v .He compared 2 Bark river knives.Also he said that A2 is a way sharper than 3v.
@BluntCutMetalWorks4 ай бұрын
@@ThirdoptionJCSU Blind chopping tests(all things/conditions equal) of good ht a2 vs 3v. A2 would performs slightly better than 3V. "sharper" is not a valid qualifier nor quantifier.
@mikafoxx27176 ай бұрын
Wow, it sure chops! Would be interesting to make a competition axe with a fancy heat treat on good steel.
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Certainly.
@mikafoxx27176 ай бұрын
I would love to see what you could do with your heat treating on CPM Rex 45. it gets very hard already on production knives, you would probably go past 70 HRC. You heat treating must be pushing grain refinement to the extreme. As far as I know, when you do that, the temperature declines that you have to heat to, and quenching has to be even faster.
@BluntCutMetalWorks6 ай бұрын
Hardness is easy, producing high hrc with full elasticity and decent plasticity ranges is quite difficult. High alloy steels have poor structural toughness. Thus far, aebl produces low notched impact toughness #s compare to lower alloy steels, esp very low (i.e. carbon steels).