How so?

I saw them preform at warped tour 2015 and I remember at times hearing Ashley singing over everyone else

​@@alexwest2573 That's due to Andy Biersack being sick for a lot of that tour, which is why he sounded rough. Ashley had to help carry the band vocally through that period.

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To be fair, I think their friendship got sour over the years, because regardless of what they showed the public, I genuinely believe that Andy didn’t like Ashley being in the band. Let’s remember, the only reason why he even joined in the first place was cause Ashley was planning on stealing the members of the band, at the time of the Knives and Pens music video.

@@xx_andysixx_xx Damn, like I said, I was out of the looop of the history post Self-Titled, what a scummy move to try and fuck over your CREATIVE business partner like that. Good riddance Ash, user.

The whole video is about Ashley

Props to you for having a change of heart ☺️

It was more so fan bases fighting each other, which is weird, since both bands share a very similar demographic within the fans

Couldn’t agree more

Who?

@@xx_andysixx_xx Andy

@@xx_andysixx_xxAndy

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Well, I think Andy just didn’t want to alarm the fan base. He said it himself, if it was the end, then it was the perfect send off album for them.

It didnt end though and they dont really owe us anything, we choose to support bvb and he didnt want to alarm anyone and either way its a great album.

@elsagoldball agreed, it’s an underrated album

Fortunately, Vale wasn't the end as a whole for BVB. However, it was an end to the Andy/Ashley saga. BVB had to purposely end their promos and touring so they could find a loophole to get Ashley out of the band since Ashley does own 50% of the BVB branding. They just weren't sure they were ever going to be able to come back up after that, but when Andy found Lonny, it helped them propel back into touring and creating albums. Besides, Ashley made it a thing where each member and crew had an NDA that also held a defamation clause. BVB could NOT speak out about what was going on at all or Ashley would've taken legal action and would gain every single penny, regardless if what was being said was true or not. So, they wanted to tell fans, but they couldn't directly. So, they created Vale to indirectly say there were problems and may not be able to come back from it. Luckily, they did, and Ashley buried himself even deeper. He's still getting 50% of the profits, but he'll never be able to perform with them again.

@@loveydovey2495 he’s still getting paid? That sucks, I mean, I hope Andy and the band find a way to terminate that contract.

I am so terribly sorry that you went through that 😥

@@xx_andysixx_xx Thank you, i appreciate it. His fandom is extremely ignorant and i think everyone should know how awful he really is

Yeah, completely agree. I’ve had my fair share of interactions with AP fans 💀

@@xx_andysixx_xx i want to make an impact because this guy doesn't deserve a platform but i have no contact with bvb fans

​@shanyyra8767 as a fellow.victum of that monster, I belive you and I'm so sorry you had to go thru that sweetheart

Agreed

What really makes my stomach turn is Ashley still tries to ride the coat Tails of bvb when it comes to trying to talk to or flirt with their fans. Like he tried to get me to come to Nashville or come to my town and talked a lot about how he was "impactful" for BVB and a lot of arrogance to a band he almost destroyed.

@alexislassiter3991 when in reality, he didn’t leave much of an impact on the band, besides the fact that, as you stated, nearly made the band implode for the shit he was accused of and also for the blatant manipulation of Andy, he’s an afterthought when it comes to the band. Hell, even Sandra (no shade to her) left more of an impact on the band than Ash.

@the_devil_lies_alone I worry for the newer BVB fans. I've interacted with this person, he's not a good person. And to have put Andy through so much mental turmoil is disgusting. I have screenshots from 2 years back of him trying and trying to pretend he still was friends with them. Who knows what he'd do to lure in naive fans.

@alexislassiter3991 yeah, I genuinely feel bad for the ones that either know of what he did and don’t care or for the ones who just don’t know. The ones that I seriously cannot stand are the ones who make it their lives mission to defend this piece of shit and disrespect the band.

Fair enough, lol. I honestly got that feeling when I first joined the band. Even in the early years, especially on the STWOF era interviews, you can just see how uncomfortable Andy is whenever Ashley talks and he has to talk about partying or “living the rockstar lifestyle”

Yeah. The entire band had some kind of "strsight men in the rock scene" phase in its early stages , but it was always clear that Ashley was the biggest cause and enabler of that and never grew out of it. Actively interrupting an interview to yell about the size of a passing girl's breasts, etc.

@leanne268 I know!

Yep I used to love this band but Ashley always threw me off so bad in the interviews and then it just threw me off the whole band in general. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnK3paWujbaomqM so many examples of him having no personality besides girls and drinking but also joking about sleeping with underage girls and everyone just laughing along, how disturbing. I'm so glad he's out finally

I'm assuming it is, I do remember hearing Andy talk about being a Batman fan :)

Yeah, it was, at the time. When he was still living in LA

i thought it was where they were shooting the andy show at the time but i could be so wrong.

A guy

No, when he’s talking about “a certain element”, it’s Ashley.

He couldn’t mention Ashley by name